THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR TWST BOOK 7 CHAPTER 5
Lilia's love for Meleanor and Revan: Romantic, Platonic, or Familial?
Short answer: ALL of them. ANY of them. A secret third thing. Take your pick!!
Long answer because even though some people have explained it already I haven't felt like anyone has NOT come off as aggressive towards shippers so I thought I could help get the message across?:
So there's been some dispute in the fandom about Lilia romantically loving Meleanor and Revan because Meleanor said that Lilia loves her and Revan, but the actual kanji used by her is a lot less simple than just "love" as explained by @/ventique18 in this post. (which I suggest that you read first before this one so that you understand the true and full picture if you haven't!!)
(here's a few screenshots to sum up what she said though for the sake of this post)
That clears it up, but there's more to this conversation I'd like to point out. As a Briar Throuple shipper I'm making this post to explain or at least shed some light on:
Why people read Meleanor's words as romantic and why they ship Lilia, Meleanor, and Revan
Now, I'm not saying that Lilia having romantic feelings for his friends is the one and only correct view (if you do think that, did you even read the rest of this post?). I'm saying that people viewing it as romantic have a very valid reason and it's not just people shipping because they like to ship when they see the word "love". People shipping Lilia, Meleanor, and Revan are not automatically disregarding any familial and platonic interpretations of their relationship. (or at least not all of them are and I am asking you to not assume.)
Translators are free to mention it if this translation I found is incorrect BUT STILL—
Okay so, if you'll notice, in the conversation between Meleanor and Lilia, after saying that Lilia loves her, she specifically brings up the time he proposed to her 200 years ago. Right after that, she says that Lilia and Revan, her husband, spent more time together than a married couple.
There are a lot of valid arguments that are against these things being proof of Lilia having romantic attraction, like: Lilia and Meleanor were just kids playing house, Lilia and Revan spending a lot of time together is normal because they're besties, and also Lilia himself says that he was just a stupid kid which can imply that it was just an old crush and he doesn't feel the same anymore.
But look at the big picture!! Look at the words Meleanor specifically used!! The kanji used for "love" is indeed for pure, platonic, and familial love, but immediately after saying it Meleanor mentions things specific to romantic love: Proposal. Marriage.
She could have easily used a different example of Lilia's love for him. She could have easily compared Lilia's time spent with Revan with literally anything else, but she didn't!!! She mentioned a marriage proposal from when they were kids. Even if it might not be valid anymore she still mentioned it out of anything else!! And she compared Lilia and Revan to a married couple!!
The words used in this conversation, like the kanji for "love" and the specific romantically-associated words, both point to Lilia's love being either romantic or platonic/familial. The kanji says specifically pure love, but Meleanor's argument and comparison has romantic tone. It's either. It's both. Anything you want it to be. A secret third thing.
That concludes my ramble folks <3 Shippers are not disregarding platonic and familial love, please don't just assume they are. Not to mention, most of the people doing it are DIASOMNIA FANS. THE platonic/familial love enjoyers of the fandom!! Why have I seen people have such bad faith in them? Just because someone says one thing doesn't mean they don't also enjoy another thing!!
Still though, translators helping to explain the wording correctly is still very much appreciated, but it doesn't disregard romantic views nonetheless nor does shipping disregard platonic and familial ones.
Although, I do understand why some people are a bit frustrated seeing as romance IS more prevalent in media and is often wrongly seen as "higher" than other forms of love, which is a valid frustration, but it still frustrated me a bit how I've seen some people be so quick to be aggressive to shippers.
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I’ve been doodling my favorite pair (guess who: it’s Matcha and Boba with a bit of “canon” sonadow) so here are the sillies!!! And I also have lore about the connections because I’m a big nerd >:DDDD /pos
Okay so my connections lore has a visual diagram but I’ll explain the concept a little first
Basically, the weird box below represents the space between the “Canon” universe and the Drink universe (the thing in the middle just represents the structure that keeps time and space together).
The “wall” (they’re not actually walls because time and space things) on the left represents the barrier to the “canon”universe while the “wall” on the right represents the barrier to the Drink Universe.
Like it says in the key, arrows represent the connections! A green arrow represents a connection from Shadow to Matcha while a pink arrow represents a connection from Boba to Sonic.
Now usually these connections wouldn’t be able to go through because they would happen at all different times and ricochet against the “walls”.
However, an anomaly occurred where one of each connection happened at the exact time. In terms of plot, this anomaly occurred when Shadow formed a fond memory of Sonic during a race and when Boba and Matcha first met (they met selling drinks at a fair and both tried to show off; Boba instantly had a crush on Matcha as a result).
This anomaly puts crack in both of the walls, allowing the connections to start passing through.
However, because the walls have cracks and they aren’t fully broken, not all connections pass through. It is notable that Matcha and Boba spend a lot of time together, meaning that Boba sends out more connections than Shadow does, meaning Sonic experiences the connections a lot more than Matcha!
(If you haven’t seen my other posts, Sonic experiences all Boba’s feelings toward Matcha in a way that reflects onto his crush on Shadow, while Matcha experiences Shadow’s memories/related emotions)
I’m having lots of fun and going nuts doing all this, so feel free to ask me questions!!!
TLDR: Sillies (doodles) and connections lore are most of what I thought about today
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