#Idk id argue this is one of the few truly selfish moves in the show

[acesammy]

I know I get so blinded by Sams plot when watching spn that I often overlook deans, but do you ever think about deans s2 arc? Bc it’s batshit good.

John sells his soul for dean and dean spends the entire season suffering for it - to the point that he /explicitly/ makes the point that selling your soul for a loved one is a selfish and cruel act - only to do that to Sam. Bc Dean just cannot fathom living while Sam is dead. and thinking about all this makes me want to start chewing drywall bc Dean KNOWS how selfish he is being here, but the idea of sacrificing yourself for someone else’s life - regardless of how much that person WOULD NOT WANT THAT - comes across as the most selfless caring thing you can do.

[sam-roulette]

Idk if yall have seen it, but ur Very Good post about Martin representing hope reminded me a bit of madoka magica. Then I thought abt how that series+its sequel movie ended, thought abt tma ending like that, and now im going thru it. Again idk if u familiar with pmmm+pmmm rebellion but like. what would yall think of tma having an ending like that. id give u my own thots but my brain spiraled into comparing tma 2 other anime w similar themes ("are we gonna get end of eva'd???") and it wont stfu

I’ve been thinking about this for a Long While, especially since me and Not Sam have been using Madoka Magica as a partial inspiration for this one tma au under wraps and have been just watching fight scenes because like ??? In a lot of ways the comparison is really intuitive?? 

I mean, both Jon and Martin would do practically anything for the other, even if it meant something More Than A Little Morally Questionable, if it meant keeping the other safe. Homura and Madoka also share the respect that JonMartin eventually comes to, as well as the inevitable spiral into deals with the devil for the sole purpose of keeping the other safe. Hell, it could be argued that Martin already tried to pull a Madokami move by trying to give himself to the Lonely; going away from all he knew and those few he loved and cherished merely to keep them safe, even if it meant erasing himself completely, though not in death.

But at the same time, I feel as though a direct comparison is difficult because in the end, Jon and Martin are ultimately more dynamic as a relationship; they get on each other’s nerves and don’t agree on things ideologically and butt heads a hell of a lot, which is a far cry from Homura holding Madoka up on the pedestal that she does. And because of that, though I can see Martin going the route Madoka does (the whole “I will sacrifice myself to become the embodiment of hope and scoop up magical girls avatars to take to live with me in law of cycle chillness thus erasing my very existence from reality just to protect everyone”), I don’t think I can see Jon going Homura’s route.

The thing about Homura’s route at the end of Rebellion is, it ultimately disrespects the current Madoka’s wish. This is absolutely tragic narrative-wise and makes for some damn good cosmic horror tragedy, but in the end it also doesn’t paint Homura as being the best person. There’s nothing wrong with that and I could genuinely go on for hours as to why Homura being a fundamentally selfish person whose main power of evil is still somehow “the power of love” in a magical girl anime is a fuckin brilliant idea, but ultimately it just doesn’t jive with Jon as a character. 

Jon as a character, while initially selfish in a very petty way to cover his own self-failings, is in actuality a rather selfless person. It doesn’t always manifest in the best way (ie what he did to Jordan Kennedy), but he fundamentally does things for the sake of others and to respect their wishes. That’s how he maintains his humanity. If he were to go Homura’s route and rip the divinity out of Martin to bring him back down to earth to live safely, that requires a measure of disrespect to Martin’s wishes that I feel Jon won’t have by episode 200. 

With Homura, she disregards any growth or change the current timeline’s Madoka goes through in favor of following the wish of the one who died beside her- “don’t let me get tricked”. With Jon, he’s done nothing but acknowledge how he and Martin have been changing and works hard to accommodate that. If Martin truly wanted to sacrifice himself and had found a way to do so before Jon could get wise, I can see Jon ultimately coming to terms with the fact that it was ultmiately Martin’s decision. 

So in terms of ending- I can see TMA ending off a la Madoka Magica the show, but not necessarily the movie. But also thank you !!! For Asking!!!! Because god now I have so many more Thoughts TM...