#Joffrey strong

[thesunfyre4446]

i find the discussion around aegon's children, specifically jaehaera, soooo ridicules and frustrating. "they were created to die as punishment for aegon's sins!" like jace, luke and joff weren't also created for the exact same reason??? it's almost like children paying for their parents crimes is a recurring motif that has nothing to do with teams discourse?

[houseofpendragons]

New Ideas for HOTD Rhaenyra Fashion pt.7

First time I’m doing one of adult Rhaenyra’s costumes, and we’re starting off with the one I hateeee the most of all:

I just, it’s so-it’s so, wtf is this shit?!?!?

I get it’s a sort of call back go her of outfits when she was younger but bruh😶 you’re telling me this is what she chose. Even her younger outfits were better than that. And I get it, I get it, it’s supposed to be maternity wear but reminder that this:

Is what Alicent wore when pregnant with Helaena. And this is what Rhaenyra wore right after the birth:

Both are hella fire, stunning. The dress Rhaenyra’s wearing is very Velaryon esque, slowly, loose, a sort of beached of Greece type beauty. Now she can still wear Targaryen colors, but she can also still have some representation of her Velaryon marriage (as we really tryna post a happy front so no one thinks about daddy Harwin😘)

So I think she’s still be wearing something similar, but perhaps representing both family’s. This being an under dress:

With it blue threading running through the red it could easily be designed a scales.

I’d also add an open fronted petticoat so that she could keep her arms warm and protect her belly or breasts if she feels the need as a woman whom has freshly given birth.

I’d use these three for design reference:

Taking the pattern from the red gown, the design of the green gown w/ the white designs, and then the golden medallion chains binding them together from the third design.

I’d change the color of the petticoat to a Targaryen black, and trade the white designs for gold ones more similar to the ones we on her blue dress. As you can see the zigzagging in the first picture of the three is reminiscent of the blue threads on the red dress meant to be worn under so honestly those could just be changed to gold. Keeping the golden belt with the rubies in the second picture, I’d disregard the highest neck piece with the laces in the front. I’d keep the spacing of the open front in the third picture, turning the bands of the front to match the fabric of the underdress. The gold on either side of the bands could be formed into dragons heads (perhaps reminiscent of Syrax’s head if ur feeling fancy). Lastly, I think I would make the inside fabric of the petticoat a velaryon blue, replacing the yellowish color we see on the interior of the dress in the third picture.

Sorry if that was confusing, I might’ve got a little too descriptive to show you what going on in my mind 😭

As for her Jewelry, I just saw a Reddit post made before hotd came out about the color of Joffrey and Jace’s dragons. They were actually correct for the most part about Vermax (Jace’s dragon) so I have faith in their theory that Tyraxes (Joffrey’s dragon) is red & black or something similar.

(If you want to read their theory about how the colors of the dragons belonging to Rhaenyra’s first three sons reflect the Conquerors original three dragons and Dany’s three dragons check it out on Reddit u/OneirosDrakontos)

That being said I’d want to reflect his hatchling, or at least egg on her jewelry. (Bc I also saw someone say Rhaenyra wears a ring for everyone of her three sons @atopcat) Maybe it’d be cute if she did something to reflect their future dragons after their birth with her jewelry as well.

Red and black for Tyraxes, gold for the ring she wears for him:

Her hair is more of a simpler extent, as I feel like though time hasn’t calmed down her fashionista tastes to an extreme extent, she’s more concerned about her newborn baby than her hair right now.

Something like this, but instead make it a half-do w/ hair still hanging free from any binds/braids:

Replace the pink ribbon and bow with two Velaryon Blue colored bands with gold design embroidered onto it, golden thread braided at the edges of the fabric. Perhaps the bow could be replaced with a golden three headed dragon pin stick through the braid so it appears as if mini dragons heads are roaring at those walking behind her.

[bbygirl-aemond]

please i need "reasons they'd get canceled on twitter" but for team black

Rhaenyra: Tweeted in support of gay men but used an outdated term

Daemon: Sent death threats to the people who canceled Rhaenyra

Jace: Slid into Helaena's DMs and was labeled a homewrecker

Baela: Picked fights with incels for fun (she is also the reason Criston got canceled)

Luke: Tried to apply to several HBCUs

Rhaena: Did not get canceled

Joffrey: Caught on camera trying to steal a parrot from a zoo

Rhaenys: Liked a classist Tweet

Corlys: Tweeted several homophobic slurs back in like 2008

[mhsdatgo]

Rhaenyra when Bartimos Celtigar proposes the bastard tax.

[witchthewriter]

𝐇𝐚𝐫𝐰𝐢𝐧 𝐒𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐠

ESTP

Gryffindor

Chaotic Good

Knight of Cups

Aries Sun, Scorpio Moon, Taurus Rising

Also known as Breakbones, he was the firstborn son of Lyonel Strong, who was the Lord of Harrenhall and head of House Strong. His father became the Hand of the King when Otto Hightower was removed from the council. 

  Harwin’s immediate family came to court during this time; his father, younger brother, Larys, and two sisters. His mother has never been mentioned, not even who it was that birthed him. 

 During his life at court, Harwin became a captain in the gold cloaks who protected King’s Landing, then advanced to Lord Commander. 

  Rumoured to be the true father to Rhaenyra’s three sons, Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey. He spent a lot of his time overseeing their training. 

 Kind-hearted and good-natured, Harwin was a great man who loved Rhaenyra fiercely. He didn’t mind keeping up with the farce that she and Laenor had created. Harwin was content to have whatever piece of her that he could. 

[idontreallyknow26]

Literally no thought was put into hotd because explain to me how:

Episode 3;

Aegon, 2 years old (exactly, its his birthday). Helaena, still in womb.

Episode 4;

6-ish months later, Rhaenyras wedding- Aegon, 2 years & 6 months old. Helaena, a few months old. Alicent is more than likely pregnant or will be pregnant within a few months with Aemond.

Episode 5;

No more than a few days passed

Episode 6;

10 years later. Aegon logically should be 12 and change, Helaena 10, and Aemond 8/9. Lucerys is confirmed 8 and Jacaerys should be about 9. Joffrey is an infant. Aegons canon age is 14, Helaenas 12-13, Aemonds 10, ans Jacaerys 9 (I don't know for sure, this is assumtion). Rhaena & Baela are 9 or 10, they have no confirmed age. For the actors, Aegons was 19, Helaenas 15, Aemonds 12ish, Lucerys 8, Jace idk.

Episode 7;

Very soon after episode 6, but not immediate. I'd assume anywhere from a month to three months. Idk how long it takes to plan a Velaryon funeral.

Episode 8, the last time jump;

6 years later. Aegon logically is 18, Helaena 17, Aemond 16, Lucerys is confirmed 14, Jace 15, Joffrey 6. Helaenas twins Jaehaerys & Jaehaera are still toddlers, probably two- she and Aegon logically married at 15&16. Their canon ages should be 20, 19, & 17. Lucerys is again, confirmed 14 by a line of dialogue in ep8. Jacaerys is 15/16, I'm pretty sure the directors haven't confirmed his age.

One of the directors said that they're all young adults, between the ages of 17-22. This shitshow needs to be canceled I can't keep up with the mental gymnastics it takes to understand it.

[maiamars]

harwin with make-up and braids in his hair : ser corlys i've been taken !

harwin : (proceed to lift jacaerys and lucerys who are holding unto his arms, rhaena is sitting on his shoulders, baela is clinging his back while joffrey is clinging his leg)

[ignitedminds27]

🍷to the STRONG MEN. Each of them handsome, wise, and kind.

HOUSE STRONG! 🍻

[sarcasticsweetlara]

"Salt courses through Velaryon blood. Ours runs thick. Ours runs true. And ours must never thin."

Re-reading Fire and Blood as well as watching the show, it's crystal clear the meaning of "The Old, The True, The Brave" as the motto of House Velaryon.

If you read carefully Fire and Blood and pay attention to every union between a Targaryen and a Velaryon, it's clear the Velaryons have some kind of dominant traits over the Targaryens, both within the book and the show.

We know little about Valaena Velaryon, but I think that as she was related to the Targaryens through her mother, it's safe to say another Targaryen woman could have married into the Velaryons by that time, and they still kept looking like a Velaryon.

Alyssa Velaryon was the daughter of Aethan Velaryon and Alarra Massey, a woman of mixed Andal-First Men blood, and even then Alyssa had her father's silver hair. Her daughter Alysanne had honey blonde hair because of her and probably her siblings Viserys and Vaella too, as well as her granddaughter and namesake Alyssa Targaryen having dirty blonde hair and one of her eyes being green as a result of Alyssa Velaryon's genes. Then years after Aenys' death, Alyssa marries Rogar Baratheon -who is the great grandson of Aerion Targaryen- and they have Boremund and Jocelyn Baratheon who have their father's black hair, Jocelyn would later marry her half-nephew Aemon Targaryen and they have Rhaenys who has her mother's black hair and father's pale lilac eyes. Rhaenys is related to Corlys as Rhaenys' grandmother Alyssa Velaryon was the sister of the Second Daemon Velaryon, Corlys' grandfather.

Daenaera Velaryon, the granddaughter of Vaemond Velaryon through his son Daeron, was another woman whose genes were shown on her children, Daena's hair had a little of gold in her hair and Rhaena the Septa's own hair had more golden than silver, and Elaena's gold streak were because of Daenaera Velaryon's silver-gold hair.

Now, in the show, many have said that as House Velaryon is explicitly confirmed to have many branches, that Valaena came from one branch that was white, and that Alyssa Velaryon came from another white branch, and that Corlys mother or grandmother could have been a black Valyrian woman, which is not impossible as George RR Martin once said he wanted Valyrians to be black initially and kept it with the Velaryons, as it adds to Valyrians truly being different to the rest of Westeros.

And this brings me to this conclusion about Vaemond Velaryon's speech in Laena's funeral: Velaryon genetics are at least dominant over the Targaryens.

They are no strangers to the practice of intermarrying, but even if they marry Non-Valyrians their genes are always there and present themselves in one way or another.

Rhaenys The Queen Who Should Have Been is a descendant of Alyssa Velaryon through both her father and mother: Aemon Targaryen the Pale Prince was Alyssa's grandson and Jocelyn Baratheon was the youngest of Alyssa's children. Rhaenys married Corlys Velaryon, and they had Laenor and Laena.

Laena married Daemon Targaryen and they had the twins Baela and Rhaena, while Laenor married Rhaenyra.

It's not like Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey should be immediate male copies of Baela and Rhaena, but at least there should be some resemblance. Those boys do not look like their Arryn relatives as when Jace visits the Vale, no one points out his resemblance to his maternal great grandfather Rodrik Arryn nor does he resemble his mother's cousin Jeyne Arryn. In a scenario of the genetics of his non-valyrian forefathers' genetics appearing, the most likely are the Baratheon ones as those are the most dominant ones, and that would cement them as truly being Velaryons as Jocelyn Baratheon is Laenor's grandmother.

But they do not, Fire and Blood describes them as having Harwin Strong's bone structure and nose, they never are described as resembling the Baratheons or the Arryns, emphasizing that they are not Laenor's sons and are no true Velaryons.

[too-pirate-to-function]

just realized that our Strong boys could technically be wargs because they have the blood of the First Men through their father, Harwin.

hmmm…

[a-thousand-eyes-and-one]

just read the joffrey death scene in f&b and now i want there to be an insane amount of buildup for that in hotd. robin the candlemakers daughter visiting the red keep and being in the bg of scenes with joff just hanging out. rhaenyra clinging to joff wildly as she does in the book. 12 year old joff strong facing mental horrors not seen in the red keep since the days of repressed lesbian teen alicent hightower. i need this

[houseofpendragons]

All this she didn’t take Moontea bc it might have been Laenor’s since they said they tried

Or she didn’t know

That’s all fine and dandy but…

Why’d you sleep with a white man…when your husband is black…

1 white baby could be excused (maybe even two but that’s pushing it) but three🤯

And you didn’t think no one would be talking shit?!?!??!??!!

I love our rightful queen Rhaenyra but that was the dumbest decision ever. And don’t come up in my comments talking about rhaenys being white or her dark hair in the book! George literally done said he could write a whole novella about Rhaenyra and Harwin, it’s confirmed okay that Harwin is the pappy. She could’ve still slept with Daddy Harwin, like honey I support and that was apart of the deal that y’all could sleep with whoever, my problem is that she could’ve taken the moontea to prevent any children of questionable parentage and then when she needed and heir I’m sure she could find someone more than willing to sleep with her who was a little more rich with melaninnn

Don’t get me wrong I love our Strong boys too but they caused a lot of problems for Rhaenyra and her ascension to the throne when they popped out all white and shit…

[bbygirl-aemond]

When villainizing Alicent backfires (or, how victimizing Rhaenyra can actively make her look worse)

Hi everyone! There's something I've seen happening a lot within the fandom that really frustrates me. Before anyone starts, this post is very explicitly pro Rhaenyra, and I'm going to be arguing that Rhaenyra is actually more intelligent than most people give her credit for. I've seen a lot of fans, in an attempt to defend Rhaenyra by villainizing Alicent, rob Rhaenyra of both her intelligence and her agency.

It's a pretty common criticism of Rhaenyra that she's not good at playing the game of politics, so I think it's interesting when fans who support her will go out of their way to make her seem like a helpless victim in situations where she's not only actively playing the game, but winning. I'm going to discuss one example of this and explain why it actually makes Rhaenyra look better, especially as a future Queen, to let her be antagonistic right back towards Alicent rather than pretending that she was only ever tricked or outsmarted.

I'm talking about the scene where Rhaenyra takes Joffrey to see Alicent right after giving birth. So many people claim that Rhaenyra was only acting here out of fear for her children, which does succeed in making Alicent look bad, but misses the genius of what Rhaenyra's actually doing. Alicent was trying to make a power play here; she was trying to rub it in the court's faces that Rhaenyra was repeatedly having children via an affair. Rhaenyra not only foiled this plan, but actively turned the tables against Alicent. So let's discuss further below the cut:

Rhaenyra does not go with Joffrey because she genuinely thinks Alicent will physically hurt him. At this point in time, pre-Driftmark, Alicent has literally never done anything to suggest she would physically harm a child, let alone a newborn. Stop acting like Alicent was planning on smothering him with a pillow or something equally ridiculous. It's not in Alicent's character (she's quite passive when it comes to violence), and Rhaenyra also doesn't have any information to suggest this.

Rhaenyra goes with Joffrey specifically to shift the court's attention off of Joffrey being a bastard, and onto Alicent being unreasonable. This is the DEFINITION of malicious compliance: She knows it looks bad if the court thinks Alicent demanded Rhaenyra personally bring the baby to her. She WANTS people to see her sweat, she WANTS them to see the trail of blood, and she wants them to think Alicent did this to her, rather than Rhaenyra doing it to herself. She also brings Laenor with her specifically to add to the public perception of legitimacy.

Alicent wanted Rhaenyra to come away from this looking like a shameful harlot, but Rhaenyra turned the tables and came away from this seeming like a hero and a dutiful stepdaughter who bravely endured the pain Alicent forced on her, while simultaneously making Alicent seem evil and unreasonable. This is a calculated political move to shift blame onto Alicent and to paint her as crazy. And from the reactions we get as Rhaenyra walks to and from Alicent's chambers, I think she succeeds.

There's one other example where I think Rhaenyra plays the game of politics against Alicent and wins, and where a lot of fans ignore Rhaenyra's intelligence in favor of trying to make Alicent look as bad as possible. It's the scene where Rhaenyra suggests the betrothal of Jacaerys and Helaena, which I'll talk about eventually since I got an ask about it. But basically: Rhaenyra made a proposal that she knew would look good on the surface but that she knew Alicent couldn't accept without endangering her children, ensuring that when Alicent turned it down she would look bitter and crazy. When I make the post, I'll link it here.

TLDR: If your favorite character's biggest source of criticism is her political ineptitude, don't go out of your way to dumb her down in the scenes where she demonstrates remarkable political intelligence. I promise it'll make your character look better if you allow her these instances of agency and competency.

[mhsdatgo]

Coming from a Team Green stan, people using the term "bastards" to refer to Luke, Jace and Joff as if that was an excuse to hate them makes me fucking snort. Yes we know they're bastards, so what. It's what they've heard and been told all their life. If that is enough reason for you to think they deserve shit thrown on them then Imma need you to take off your Westerosi lord "they're born of lesser flesh" whore's best friend heart shaped sunglasses real quick and see them as actual characters because you sound no less blood purity obsessed than TB thinking that "Hightower blood" is enough reason to hate anything regarding Alicent's children.

To think that they aren't deserving of lands and titles is perfectly fine when you look at it from Westerosi people's point of view, but that's no reason to hate them at all? (This also applies to some TB stans who storm the posts of maybe a guy who's chilling reading a book and make it their LIFE MISSION to protect them like they're their mama anytime someone barely mentions it.)

One may find various reasons to like or dislike them. You may dislike Luke for slicing Aemond's eye and never feeling a shred of remorse about it, you may like Luke because you think he did what he thought was best in order to protect his brother (although they could've escaped to their mom the moment he was blinded by dirt, but at least they spared themselves a scolding for being up and about at 3 AM going for someone's throat with a real dagger).

You may dislike Jace because he picked after his mother's "who cares what others think we rule lmao" ass line. You may like Jace because when he said that, he was trying to uplift his little brother who was growing self-conscious about the way other lords and ladies were staring at him. It's understandable. They aren't 2D characters everyone must either love or hate.

If you really want someone to blame for how things turned out, why don't you blame Rhaenyra for thrusting them into failure and sending her 13 year old out knowing the Greens would've sought allegiances as well? I don't know, at least send someone who would've been able to outrun Aemond, idk. You call yourself Queen, girl. Choose someone else, that ain't my job. Why don't you blame Daemon for wanting to send kids as envoys when they've got no experience whatsoever and their dragons are literally just babies?

Remember they were never part of a war until their mother pushed them in. They weren't "thieves" for "stealing" Driftmark. Luke didn't even WANT Driftmark. They just wanted to beef with their uncles in peace for the love of God. That they grew up spoiled brats is another story, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

Personally I don't love or hate Jace or Luke. We've been given wayyy too little scenes for them to look anything else other than Aemond's and Aegon's punching bags, respectively. Except for Jace who got me cheering and screaming for him when he was literally THE ONLY ONE WHO STOOD UP FOR RHAENYRA IN EP.10 but yeah, that was the end of it.

Find new reasons to like and dislike characters. Anything that doesn't involve sounding like an aryan race supporter, thank you.

[princesssszzzz]

Weren't rhaena and joff already gone before dragon seed plan was made?

I think so but who knows what will happen with the fanfiction they call House of the Dragon. Everyone should go wild with their imagination at this point

[aemondwive]

The way EVERYONE was happy about Joffrey's birth... baby Joff you will always be loved!