#Philip Bradstreet Schuyler

[yr-obedt-cicero]

“John Bradstreet, the eldest son, to whom the estate of Saratoga was given, had married Elizabeth Van Rensselaer, the sister of the Patroon Stephen, the husband of Margaret Schuyler. His married life was brief. He died a few years after, leaving a boy, Philip, to be the representative of the name. This boy was sent to the Hamiltons', and with young Cortland Schuyler and the Hamilton boys went to Bishop Moore's school for boys on Staten Island, returning to New York Friday even- ings to spend Sundays with the Hamiltons.”

(source — Catherine Schuyler, by Mary Gay Humphreys Pg. 229)

Bradstreet died in the August of 1795, which was the same year Lafayette's son, Georges Washington Louis Gilbert de La Fayette, lived with the Hamilton's for a few months. Not to mention Frances Antill, an orphan from Hamilton's old war friend, was also still living with the Hamilton's.

So, you're telling me; Elizabeth and Hamilton were wrangling around from Philadelphia, to Albany, and New York with ten kids?

[therealadothamilton]

Why is it people writing historical fiction keep erasing the existence of The Schuyler Brothers? John Bradstreet, Philip Jeremiah and Rensselaer are rolling over in their graves...

[ijustthrewawaymyshot]

I actually discovered this now holy shet-

In “Satisfied,” Angelica sings, “My father has no sons, so I’m the one who has to social climb for one,” thus justifying her need to marry rich (and therefore not marry penniless Alexander).

But this line is, in fact, totally untrue and likely included for narrative convenience.

Angelica, Eliza, and Peggy were three of five sisters who lived to adulthood, along with Cornelia and Catharine Schuyler. Their parents, Catharine Van Rensselaer Schuyler and Philip Schuyler, also had three sons who lived to adulthood: John Bradstreet Schuyler, Philip Jeremiah Schuyler, and Rensselaer Schuyler. The couple had 15 children in total, though only the eight above survived childhood.

Shocked? Me too.

[46ten]

I was just learning the fact that Cornelia and Kitty fought Eliza for the inheritance, I knew her brothers did it but I didn't know about the sisters. I was surprised because they seemed to be close with her before their father's death. I know Kitty and EH reconciled because they became closer in later years, but what was her relationship with Cornelia? Did Cornelia die still fighting for the inheritance or did they reconcile? And in general how all of this affected Eliza's relationships with her siblings? (I wonder how AH would have helped EH in all of this if he were alive. Perhaps PH would have named him as one of his executors of his last will)

The dispute between Eliza and her siblings seems to have grown out of what they felt was over-generosity towards her from Philip Schuyler's attempts to financially assist her after AH's death. There were rumors of him giving her cash, and then there was the matter of the land deed executed before PS's death.

[So without AH dying, I doubt the dispute would have happened. And yes, I think AH would have been one of the executors of PS's will had he been alive. The three executors were Philip Jeremiah Schuyler (his son), JB Church (son-in-law), and Stephen van Rensselaer (former son-in-law/Margarita's widower).]

Specifically, when EH went up to Albany in August 1804, PS set in motion a plan to give her a land deed of 80 acres of his property in Albany - he notes in letters in July/early August/September how much he wants to assist her and her children by whatever means possible, emotional and spiritual support, but also financial support.

The paper deed was executed but not delivered to her, however, before she returned to NY and prior to PS's death. As such, some of her siblings argued that the 80 acres deed was null and the property should be counted towards the inheritance for all 8 children (or their children, as two of PS's kids were already dead - Margarita and John Bradstreet) and split. This is what led to the fight with Caty/Kitty and Cornelia's husbands, as EH is clear in a letter to her brother Philip Jeremiah that she believed her brothers'-in-law, G. Washington Morton (married Cornelia 1796) and Samuel Malcolm (married Kitty 1803) were behind this effort. To be clear, EH fought that the 80 acre deed should be hers exclusively; took about 5 years to resolve, but it was and she sold it, as she especially claimed to need the money to pay for her children's education. Read more here: Schuyler Mansion State Historic Site: Schuyler Siblings Land Squabble

Cornelia died in 1808, and it's not clear where their relationship stood, as the issue was still unresolved at the time. They were clearly still tight in Nov 1804, prior to PS's death: The Eliza Papers — Elizabeth Hamilton to Philip Schuyler, 1804 (tumblr.com). To read my posts on Cornelia and her terrible husband (Philip Schuyler disliked him! So he lost a bunch of PS's papers! ), see here: 46ten — How not to behave at Philip Schuyler’s home (tumblr.com); 46ten — Schuyler elopements (tumblr.com)

To read more about Kitty and Samuel Malcolm, who had been John Adams' secretary, see here: 46ten — Sister Church is still with us. She goes in less... (tumblr.com); 46ten — 46ten: Kitty, who is looking over my shoulder,…... (tumblr.com) 46ten — Philip Schuyler, described by his youngest... (tumblr.com); 46ten — Philip Schuyler to Elizabeth Hamilton, 1797 (tumblr.com)

Cornelia (b 1776) and Kitty (b 1781 - she would have been named GW Schuyler if a boy! or so claimed PS in his letter to GW, likely part of an attempt to assuage any ill feelings over his brand new son-in-law pulling the stunt he had, which AH also would not have pulled if PS wasn't his father-in-law) knew 'Brother Hamilton,' as they called him, their whole lives and were very close to him. Both girls spent time living with the Hamiltons in Philadelphia and NYC. They also had children named Alexander Hamilton Morton (b 1800) and Alexander Hamilton Malcolm (b 1815), respectively, so it doesn't seem that their husbands objected to EH and her husband all THAT much, but once money is involved....

See some speculation on the relationship between EH and Kitty here: Schuyler Mansion State Historic Site: My Dear Sister: Eliza and Caty Post-Schuyler Sisters Land Squabble

To the rumors that PS had given EH thousands of dollars, that seems very unlikely, as he was notably cash poor. But over the years, PS undoubtedly supported the Hamiltons financially, providing them not only with goods from his farms and mills, but cash to EH for paying for the boys' education (particularly while AH was Sect of Treas, which makes AH's efforts to make sure bonds were funded pretty self-interested - there's quite a lot of "I'm not benefiting!" while his closest family and friends, many of whom provide him funds outright, or provide him with goods, or give him interest-free loans, are benefiting handsomely.)

Some of the siblings could have been resentful, not only of PS's support but of his general favoritism towards the Hamiltons - see here for PS sending his son Rensselaer to live with the Hamiltons to learn from their good example: 46ten — Philip Schuyler to Elizabeth Hamilton, Albany,... (tumblr.com). But PS seems to have helped out all his kids - or at least once he reconciled himself to their poor choices in spouses - EH may have been the only one who chose a spouse PS approved of from the beginning! He saved timber for the Churches to build a home, provides funds and property to his sons, etc.

Post PS's death, EH's relationship with her brother Philip Jeremiah, for example, seems fine The Eliza Papers — Philip J Schuyler (tumblr.com), she's just admonishing him for not doing more to help her resolve the claims and points out that people are talking about how little help her brothers - PJ and Rensselaer - are providing, considering how much the Hamiltons' friends have stepped up to help her.

The other matter that persists between the siblings was much older - the division of the estate Catharine Van Rensselaer had inherited (parts of the Claverack) - which was a legal fight practically from the time AH joins the family, and one in which he offered advice. There's definitely "when is that every going to be settled!" angst between the siblings so they can finally resolve the matter of their mother's inheritance.

[betsey-hamilton-official]

wait there’s multiple John’s? I thought it was just John church and possibly John Laurens?

*takes a deep breath* your named after your great great grandfather, Johannes Schuyler Sr…, great grandfather, Johannes Schuyler Jr..your other great grandfather, Johannes Van Rensselaer, your grandfather, Philip Johannes Schuyler, your uncle, John Barker Church, your uncle, John Bradstreet Schuyler, and of course you other uncle, John Bradstreet Schuyler. Oh! And family friend, John Laurens. *giggles* Johannes another version of John! *looks at baby Church* why do you look confused..? Oh…you’re going to sleep now…too much information..? Sorry, my heart-

[moonmeg]

Happy (more or less) belated Easter from me and the Hamiltons 🐰🐣💜

To everyone who doesn't celebrate or is not Christian, I hope you had a nice Sunday 💜

[aswithasunbeam]

Hey, your blog is great! I was curious about something, though it may not have a concrete answer. Why did (or do you think) Hamilton & Eliza named another child Philip. I notice Catherine & Philip Schuyler did this a lot too. Was it a tradition or reasoning behind it back then?

Thanks so much! Little Phil, as the second Philip was called, was named in honor of his older brother, who had passed away about six months before he was born. The reason behind Catherine and Philip Schuyler’s double naming was sadly much the same: John Bradstreet and Cornelia Schuyler were both named after siblings who had passed away as infants. In the days when infant mortality was so high, naming a child after a deceased sibling does seem to have been a fairly common practice.

[idkwhyiloveoldletterssomuch]

Philip Jeremiah Schuyler by Gilbert Stuart, 1807. Happy birthday Philip!

“251 Years ago, Philip and Catharine Schuyler’s middle son was born. Philip recorded the event in the family’s Dutch bible, writing, ‘January the 20th was born our eight child named Philip Jeremiah, baptized by Domine Eliardus Westerlo. Witnesses Robert Van Renselaer and Barbara Schuyler. The Lord grant that he may grow up to the glory of God and according to His will.’ [...] Philip Jeremiah possessed every quality his brothers, John Bradstreet and Rensselaer, lacked, according to their father. He was a studious and well-educated boy. As a child, he was instructed in English grammar, French, Catechism, and the German flute among other subjects. He likely received some tutoring at the Academy at Albany, as a 1783 receipt indicates, as well.

While his brothers, especially Rensselaer, were competent students, Philip Jeremiah was the only son to go to college. In 1787, at the age of 19, Philip Jeremiah studied at Columbia College (now Columbia University). He studied with William Cochran, who taught Latin and Greek at the college. As the only Schuyler son to attend college, his father had high expectations for him. Elder brother Johnny had proven to be a lousy businessman, much to Schuyler’s disappointment. Although Rensselaer, aged 14 when Philip Jeremiah entered college, was still young, he would eventually become addicted to gambling and accrue a large amount of debt. Philip Jeremiah quickly became his father’s one chance at a son achieving renown. He likely hoped for Philip Jeremiah to become a lawyer.

Yet it seems as if Philip Jeremiah didn’t finish his coursework at Columbia. Instead, he did something his father did not want him to do, and something that surprised his family. Philip Jeremiah, the golden child, eloped. [...] Philip Jeremiah did two things that likely infuriated his father: he dropped out of Columbia College and eloped. He likely dropped out of Columbia College to elope and start his married life. Philip Jeremiah was twenty when he married Sarah Rutsen, who was eighteen at the time. They married on May 31, 1788. Where they married is not known, although her family home is certainly a possibility, since it doesn’t seem to have been an elopement for her, but only for her husband. [...]

His primary occupation was in agricultural pursuit, however, like his father, Philip Jeremiah entered the political field at both the State and Federal levels, serving in the New York State Assembly in 1798 and the United States Congress from 1817-1819. At the time of his father’s death in 1804, Philip Jeremiah was named as one of the executors of the will, along with his brother Rensselaer Schuyler, and brothers-in-law John Church and Stephen van Rensselaer.

Sarah had passed away the year before, in 1803, leaving Philip Jeremiah with four children. He later remarried, this time to a woman named Mary Ann Sawyer. Philip Jeremiah and Mary had only one child who survived to adulthood, however they eventually helped to raise several of the children of his sister, Cornelia, after the successive deaths of both herself and her husband in 1806 and 1810 respectively. Philip Jeremiah died, likely of tuberculosis, in 1835 at the age of sixty-seven.”

- The Schuyler Mansion

[melnchly-a]

hamilton!angelica: my father has no sons so i’m the one who has to social climb for one 

john bradstreet schuyler /  philip jeremiah schuyler / rensselaer schuyler : what are we, next-door neighbors? 

[general-george-washington]

In the British tradition there’s an order of how you name children. The reason I say British is it seems the Scottish and the English had very similar ideas. This was used in the 18th century and it’s interesting. I’m gonna use Alexander Hamilton’s family as an example because they already name all their kids after people and there was a bit of order there. First off who are they actually named after?

Philip Hamilton (Philip Schuyler, Elizabeth Hamilton’s Father)

Angelica Hamilton (Angelica Church, Elizabeth’s elder sister)

Alexander Hamilton (Alexander Hamilton, Father)

James Alexander Hamilton (James Alexander Hamilton, Alexander’s Father)

John Church Hamilton (John Church, Angelica’s husband)

William Stephan Hamilton (Alexander’s cousin or uncle?)

Eliza Hamilton (Elizabeth Hamilton, Mother)

Phillip Hamilton (Philip Hamilton, Brother)

Now the naming order here is

mother’s father

mother’s sister

Father

Father’s Father

Brother in Law

Cousin/Uncle

Mother

Brother

Now of course we gotta count in the two Philip’s.I can’t find anything but I’ve heard that it is Scottish tradition to name a child after a passed away one if the child is born within the same year as the older child’s passing. If it were done in this way the order would be Similar to:

Father’s Father

Mother’s Mother

Mother’s Father

Father

Father’s Brother

Mother’s Brother/Father’s uncle or whatever. No other brothers on the father’s side

Mother

Brother

This would look like this:

James Alexander Hamilton

Catherine Hamilton

Philip Hamilton

Alexander Hamilton

James Hamilton (it’s different)

John Bradstreet Hamilton

Elizabeth Hamilton

James Alexander Hamilton

[yr-obedt-cicero]

I heard that the Hamiltons adopted 3 kids but the only one that I know of is Fanny Antill. Is this true? If so, who were the 2 other kids? Thank you and have a good day.

I believe I said they cared for three, but I can understand the mix-up — so, I apologize, I should have specified. The Hamilton's did only actually adopt Fanny Antill, but they temporarily took in two others, which were; John Bradstreet Schuyler's son, Philip B. Schuyler, and Marquis de La Fayette's son, Georges Washington de La Fayette.

John Bradstreet died on the 19th of August, 1795. And the Hamilton's took in his son for an unspecified period of time shortly after;

“John Bradstreet, the eldest son, to whom the estate of Saratoga was given, had married Elizabeth Van Rensselaer, the sister of the Patroon Stephen, the husband of Margaret Schuyler. His married life was brief. He died a few years after, leaving a boy, Philip, to be the representative of the name. This boy was sent to the Hamiltons', and with young Cortland Schuyler and the Hamilton boys went to Bishop Moore's school for boys on Staten Island, returning to New York Friday even- ings to spend Sundays with the Hamiltons.”

(source — Catherine Schuyler, by Mary Gay Humphreys)

In 1795, James Monroe convinced the Lafayette's to send their son to the United States so he would would steer clear of the dangerous conflict brewing in France. Georges was originally supposed to reside with Washington, but due to the tension in America over the actions of French privateers against American cargo ships heading to Britain; Washington was trying to remain neutral, and taking in Lafayette's son would have been seen as controversial. So, instead Hamilton took care of Georges until the conflict would die down enough for Washington to safely take him in;

“The young Fayette also appears to me very advantageously, modest, of very good manners, and expressing himself with intelligence and propriety.

Shall I trespass on your indulgence in hazarding a sentiment upon the subject of this young Gentleman? If I do let it be ascribed to the double interest I take in a son of the Marquis and in whatever interests the good fame and satisfaction of him to whom I write.”

(source — Alexander Hamilton to George Washington, [October 16, 1795])

[ao3feed-hamilton]

by frechi123

John Laurens hates that he has to sneak around with Angelica, Eliza, and Peggy Schuyler if he ever wants to hang out with them. While Henry Laurens and Philip Schuyler are rivaling for Best Senator, Catherine Schuyler and Eleanor Laurens are egging them on, Mary Laurens is fighting Cathy and Cornelia Schuyler, Junior Laurens constantly cheats to beat Rensselaer Schuyler at everything, John Schuyler and Martha Laurens are constantly and consistently picking on one another to mask a truth with young Phil Schuyler and Frances Laurens watching it all in awe and confusion. The four of them have to suffer through all their families' tough choices with a sigh.

(May be renamed later)

Words: 681, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English

Series: Part 11 of Alex and Friends in the Modern Times

Fandoms: Hamilton - Miranda

Rating: General Audiences

Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply

Categories: Gen

Characters: John Laurens, Angelica Schuyler, Elizabeth "Eliza" Schuyler, Margaret "Peggy" Schuyler, Philip Schuyler, Henry Laurens, Frances Laurens, Martha Laurens Ramsay, Mary Laurens, Henry Laurens Jr. "Junior", Philip "Phil" Schuyler Jr., John Bradstreet Schuyler, Catherine "Cathy" Schuyler Cochran, Cornelia Schuyler Morton, Rensselaer Schuyler

Relationships: John Laurens & Angelica Schuyler, John Laurens & Elizabeth "Eliza" Schuyler, John Laurens & Margaret "Peggy" Schuyler, Angelica Schuyler & Elizabeth "Eliza" Schuyler & Margaret "Peggy" Schuyler, John Bradstreet Schuyler/Martha Laurens Ramsay

Additional Tags: Family Feud - Freeform, Not a Romeo and Juliet AU, Will tag the others as they appear, Henry Laurens' A+ Parenting, Literally every member of these families is incorrigible, Except the main four, And the young'uns of course, Frances is a sibling to John not a daughter, Martha is the oldest Laurens instead of him, At least not mainly

from AO3 works tagged 'Hamilton - Miranda' http://bit.ly/2FiFS8z

[ao3feed-hamliza]

by lightandspark

Twenty-year-old Eliza's family is out of town for a bit, she is quite happy and very understanding, however feeling very lonely.

 That was when she got a very unexpected visitor has she fights with her heart and mind if she should say no to this.

Words: 2107, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English

Fandoms: Hamilton - Miranda

Rating: Not Rated

Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Categories: F/M

Characters: Elizabeth "Eliza" Schuyler, Alexander Hamilton, Angelica Schuyler, Margaret "Peggy" Schuyler, Philip Schuyler, Catherine Van Rensselaer Schuyler (1734-1803), John Bradstreet Schuyler (1765-1795), Philip Jeremiah Schuyler (1768-1835), Cornelia Schuyler Morton, Catherine Schuyler Cochran, Rensselaer Schuyler

Relationships: Alexander Hamilton/Elizabeth "Eliza" Schuyler

Additional Tags: Song: Say No To This (Hamilton), Historical Inaccuracy

[46ten]

Philip Schuyler’s life advice

There’s probably no quote I’ve come across more frequently in Hamilton biographies than the following to “establish” Philip Schuyler’s basic character: “Be indulgent, my child, to your inferiors, affable and courteous to your equals, respectful, not cringing, to your superiors, whether they are so by superior mental abilities or those necessary distinctions which society has established.” [Well, he also had a few things to say about the inferiority of George Clinton (1739-1812), but I won’t get into that now.]

The quote is from a letter to John Bradstreet Schuyler (1765-1795), Philip’s eldest surviving son. Here’s a larger part of that letter that provides some context and more of P. Schuyler’s beliefs:

Happiness ought to be the end and aim of the exertions of every rational creature, and spiritual happiness should take the lead, in fact temporal happiness without the former does not really exist except in name. The first can only be obtained by an improvement of those faculties of the mind which the beneficent Author of Creation has made all men susceptible of, by a conscious discharge of those sacred duties enjoined on us by God, or those whom he has authorized to promulgate His Holy will. Let the rule of your conduct then be the precept contained in Holy Writ (to which I hope and entreat you will have frequent recourse). If you do, virtue, honor, good faith, and a punctual discharge of the social duties will be the certain result, and an internal satisfaction that no temporal calamities can ever deprive you of. Be indulgent, my child, to your inferiors, affable and courteous to your equals, respectful, not cringing, to your superiors, whether they are so by superior mental abilities or those necessary distinctions which society has established. With regard to your temporal concerns, it is indispensably necessary that you should afford them a close and continual attention. That you should not commit that to others which you can execute yourself. That you should not refer the necessary business of the hour or the day to the next. Delays are not only dangerous; they are fatal. Do not consider anything too insignificant to preserve; if you do so the habit will steal on you and you will consider many things of little importance and the account will close against you. Whereas a proper economy will not only make you easy, but enable you to bestow benefits on objects who may want your assistance, and of them you will find not a few. Example is infinitely more lasting than precept; let, therefore, your servants never discover a disposition to negligence or waste; if they do they will surely follow you in it, and your affairs will not slide, but gallop into Ruin. ... I must once more recommend to you as a matter of indispensable importance to love, to honor, and faithfully and without guile to serve the eternal, incomprehensible beneficent and gracious Being by whose will you exist, and so insure happiness, in this life and in that to come. And now, my dear child, I commit you and my daughter and all your concerns to His gracious and good guidance; and sincerely entreat Him to enable you to be a comfort to your parents and a protector to your brothers and sisters, an honor to your family and a good citizen. Accept my blessing, and be assured that I am your affectionate father.

Quoted from Life of General Philip Schuyler, Bayard, 1905.

I wonder if he offered similar advice to Philip Hamilton in 1797, when Philip writes to his father: 

Dear Papa, will you be so good as to give my thanks to grandpapa for the present he made me, but above all for the good advice his letter contains—which I am very sensible of its being extremely necessary for me to pay particular attention to in order to be a good man. PH to AH 21April1797. 

[undiscoveredstory]

Is there possibly any facts about Cornelia?

I can definitely tell you all about Cornelia Schuyler!

(Read Eliza Schuyler Facts Part One) (Read Eliza Schuyler Facts Part Two)

(Read Peggy Schuyler Facts)

(Read Lafayette Facts Part One) (Read Lafayette Facts Part Two) (Read Lafayette Facts Part Three)

(Read Lams Facts) (Read Hercules Mulligan Facts)

Forgotten Schuyler Sister: Cornelia Lynch Schuyler

Cornelia Lynch Schuyler was born on December 22, 1775, at the Schuyler Mansion in Albany 

She was the fourth Schuyler daughter and seventh surviving child in the family (13th overall child) 

Just days after she was born the Schuylers hosted Henry Knox after he brought the cannons from Fort Ticonderoga!!! 

She grew up during the American Revolution

When she was five years old, there was a raid on her family home by loyalists

She was there at the time, but she and the rest of the family were unharmed

She was about seven when the American Revolution ended

She came of age with the new American Republic!

She was schooled very well (as were all Schuyler’s children) and when she was young, Schuyler noted she took to history very well

She was tutored both in Albany and NYC

She stayed with her sisters (Eliza and Angelica) in NYC when she was being tutored there

But as she grew older, she didn’t seem to care for academics as much

Cornelia seemed more concerned with her social life

As a Schuyler, she enjoyed high society and a busy social life

She was really flirtatious!!!

But when she married, she married for true love

She wanted to wed a man named George Washington Morton, mostly referred to as “Washington Morton”

There was one problem: her father hated him

But Cornelia knew that both her sister, Angelica, and her brother, Philip Jeremiah, had eloped before her

So she did it herself!

But hers is the best out of all the Schuyler elopement stories

In 1797, when she was 22, she and Washington Morton were set to elope

According to Washington Morton, Cornelia leapt from her second story bedroom window into his arms, and they dashed off to be wed!

Probably a bit of an exaggeration... 

But still a great story that shows us how dramatic they both were!

We believe they had a loving and happy marriage

If I remember right, she had five children, but I think only three survived (nobody is entirely sure about the total number of children, I think)

She is believed to have lived near NYC with Washington Morton

She fell ill in 1808 at the age of 32 and was taken to Philadelphia for treatment

Sadly, she died there not long after arriving

Washington Morton was heartbroken and held a funeral for her in NYC

He died two years later in Paris 

Their youngest surviving child was raised by Cornelia’s brother (Philip Jeremiah) and his second wife, Mary Anne Sawyer

Poor Cornelia and Washington Morton deserved to live longer :’( 

Here she is, btw!! She and her brother, John Bradstreet Schuyler, are the only Schuylers with blonde hair and blue eyes!

[moonmeg]

Hey, LOVE your art 💖💛💖💛. If you're still doing request (If not then it's okay ) ; could we see ghost of historical Hamilton watching the Broadway Musical Hamilton. Please and Thank you :3💖❤💖❤.

This has been in my inbox so long I'M SO SORRY

Anyways, I did draw some historical peeps (mostly the Hamkids) reacting to the musical (more or less)

People are already requesting a second part and I-honesty don't know if I will do one though there's enough ideas.

Enjoy!

These are based on messages I exchanged with @/trashbins.s on Instagram

And trust me, trash and I have some more in stock.