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nothorses · 3 years

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heyy! first of all i hope you're doing well. thank you for taking the time out to read and respond to this (if you choose to). this has been bothering me for a while and i'd like your opinion on it.

i read these two articles recently - the first one is about a lesbian professor of gender studies + sexuality arguing why women should be allowed to "hate men"; the second is an interview with her about the article in which she addresses some of the negative responses she got to that article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-cant-we-hate-men/2018/06/08/f1a3a8e0-6451-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7_story.html

https://outline.com/ttKscw

i have a lot of questions about this.

firstly, i cannot tell whether this is the sort of reductionist, radfemmy, "fuck all men" feminist you've been talking about. i understand her sentiments but i disagree with her statement, and i want to get better at identifying shallow feminism. i don't think my personal opinion is credible enough (yet) to draw any conclusions right off the bat. are there any 'tells' or signs that indicate what sort of feminism someone is speaking about (in the same way that there are certain idenitifiers of TERF ideology even when it is not explicitly mentioned)? for example, in the interview, she explicitly says "Where is discrimination? Where are men being excluded? Where are men being abused? Oh, come on." as well as her implied praise of kamala harris as 'the feminist we need in office'. are those things indicators of whether her position on feminism is credible/an appropriate portrayal of how Feminism™ should function? in short, do i take this woman entirely seriously about all this?

secondly, how do you feel about gender being a social construct, as she states? does that not contradict the very real physical dysphoria that a lot of us experience? doesn't it invalidate almost all the experiences of struggle against transphobia and cissexism, as well as our identities, by painting gender identity as 'not a big deal' or 'fake' by virtue of being a social construct? also, is gender identity not influenced by biology to some extent?

thirdly, along a similar vein, how do you feel about gender abolitionism? i don't exactly have a v specific question about this one, i just want another trans person's opinion on how that sort of society would affect them. i do not wish to be stripped of my identity, and i am opposed to gender abolitionism because of that. is this sentiment a product of some misunderstanding i have?

if you have any other thoughts at all about the articles, i'd love to hear those. thank you!

Oooh, anon, these are such good questions.

Why Can’t We Hate Men? by Suzanna Walters

Follow-Up Interview with Walters

Walters does a weird sort of dance in both articles: her argument is that “hating men” is okay and even good, but she has to completely misrepresent what “hating men” is, does, and means in order to make her point align with what she actually believes is defensible.

“Hating men” is not actually about hating men, she says; she doesn’t hate men at all, in fact. She knows they’re not the problem, but rather the systems of patriarchy in place. She knows racism and other intersections make “hating men” complicated at best, and harmful at worst. She just wants men to “lean back” and understand the power they hold; to be feminists. She thinks it’s a good thing to welcome men into feminism.

So then what the hell does “hating men” actually mean, to her? Why make that the hill to die on, if nothing in her argument has anything to do with that hill?

I don’t think she really believes any of the arguments she’s making in the first place. Walters pays lipservice to racism and intersectionality in a brief comment, then never brings it up again. Her view of feminist issues is narrow and shallow, dealing mostly with “the safety of women” and the representation of women in positions of power; both of which fail to address the structural issues of the patriarchy and how it functions, and prioritize Making Women Powerful over dismantling the systems of oppression giving people power over each other in the first place. She believes that all men are universally and inherently benefiting from the patriarchy, and that men in fact are the system to be fought.

Some of this pings as TERFy, too. Walters never really argues against radical feminism. Her argument against gender-essentialism is, as you said, that gender shouldn’t exist at all- but she claims the patriarchy discriminates based on genitalia.

You caught that as well; “where are men being oppressed/abused?” she says, after her performative gesture toward intersectionality. Walters also compares the oppression of women to racism at the same time, which... holy shit.

I’d personally peg her as a mainstream liberal feminist. She’s a successful white professor who sincerely believes that her experiences as a woman are universal. Her takes are surface-level and shallow at best, and edging dangerously close to radical feminism and quiet TERFism at worst.

TL;DR: The Author

She’s a mainstream liberal feminist who makes a string of confused, contradicting arguments because she chose to die on a hill she doesn’t really understand. Her arguments stray TERFy and racist on multiple occasions.

RE: Gender questions

What gender is and where it comes from is a complicated question, and I don’t think there’s a simple answer to it. The major arguments are that it’s social, biological, or psychological; either it comes from how you’re socialized, what your genitals look like, or it’s something built into your brain chemistry (think “wrong body” trans theory).

I personally think it’s a bit of a mix, leaning toward the social and psychological, and that where gender “comes from” is a little different for each individual. Biology has a bit to do with it; we’ve had somewhat consistent ideas "man” and “woman” across various cultures.

But what gender means in each society is different, and how people conceptualize it has been different. What gender someone feels they are may be influences by their culture’s gender expectations. Some indigenous cultures even have anywhere from two to five distinct “genders”, and I can say personally that my conceptualization of my own gender relies pretty heavily on how other people perceive and treat me.

Not to mention that trans people have existed for as long as people in general have, even in societies that lack any formal gender concept for trans folks. So psychology must play a role, too.

So if we strip away all social expectations of gender, we’re still left with psychological and biological influences on gender. Which is part of why I don’t think we can abolish gender to begin with; people will always have internal understandings of gender to some extent, and they’ll always express them, and therefore there will always be a social element to gender. We can, however, work toward abolishing restrictive, binaristic, oppressive gender structures that limit and punish expressions of gender.

And as a sidenote, the whole “gender is just a social construct, but genitals are real” and “we should abolish all concept of gender” thing is extremely TERFy. There are thoughtful and trans-inclusive ways of approaching the question, but usually we’re talking about gender as part of a system of power and oppression. Walters is using the TERF framework that their “gender critical” comes from: gender isn’t real, therefore trans people aren’t real. Patriarchy is just based on biological realities and sex, and we should abolish the idea of gender (as code for abolishing trans rights and theory).

TL;DR: Gender

I personally believe that gender is a synthesis of biological, psychological, and social influences that is highly unique to every individual. There’s no real way to “abolish” it, only systems of power and oppression that rely on and enforce it. Walters’ way of discussing it is extremely TERFy, and her arguments should be heavily scrutinized.

#feminism #gender #trans #transgender #long post #I USED A READMORE I HOPE YALL ARE HAPPY #not horses #Anon #Ask

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atlasfoundation · 2 years

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heyy thanks for answering. If you don't mind, do you have some headcanons between white fox and shang chi? I know they hanged out in Shang chi's infinity comics but not much more beyond that, and even then it was in a more superficial level. Plus, they both seem to care about Lin Lie, although in different ways I think.

Also, I saw some previews of the marvel voices pride comic that has an adventure between kamala and shang chi, but I don't think i've ever really seen them talk before. How do you think a friendship between the two would work out?

Also, in general if anyone of them would change their thoughts on Shang chi after he's taking over his father's organisation

For Ami Han and Shang-Chi - I guess she would bring him back to his classic spy days lol. Honestly I think she’d always be closer to Leiko like I don’t really see them hanging out outside of their trio. I guess they are both motivated by their loneliness in the world, which they could bond over. Shang-Chi was Lin Lie’s teacher and he definitely treated him as a student more than a friend lol. Lin Lie is motivated by his desire to save his father while Shang-Chi is motivated by his desire to kill his father so there’s a bit of disconnect 😂. Ami Han sees him as a closer friend, probably first and foremost bc they’re closer in age (early 20s, while Shang-Chi is presumably ~30), but also probably feels elements of her own childhood trauma playing out at him losing his family. They’re also both directly tied to a complex mythological legacy, which Shang-Chi wasn’t back in 2019 but is now with the introduction of Jiang Li so maybe his interactions would change in the future.

Quick correction, it’s marvel’s voices: identity**. The writer has expressed that they wanted to explore how these characters are different especially pertaining to their families, which obviously reminded me of Totally Awesome Hulk #15

The same writer also wrote a story for Kamala in last year’s Marvel’s Voices Identity, specifically comparing her experiences as a Pakistani American contrasted with that of a Pakistani hero.

Shang-Chi’s status as an asian american vs asian is often contradicted by different writers - even Greg Pak has switched between the two in different comics. This is as his relationship with “home” and “family” is very different to other people’s like Kamala’s which is what I think the writer wants to explore - but importantly Shang-Chi is empathetic and caring. Yes they’re different, but I don’t think that really matters to Shang-Chi - they probably won’t be close friends because uhhh he’s 30 and she’s 17, but I would love to see him develop into like an older-brother-type figure that the Protectors can call on

Shang-Chi’s organisation is very similar to Jimmy Woo’s, which is to say the Protectors will trust him as long as he’s as vague about his personal life as Jimmy is about his 😂😂😂 Amadeus will probably be pissed at some point lol

#asks

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nikitasavala · 3 years

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intergalacticwarriorred · 3 years

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hello galactic I saw your Muslim!Sam post and I just wanna know if you have any headcanons or meta about it?? I love the idea so much 🥺🥺 take care 💕

Heyy!

Honestly I had that idea because I was wondering about any muslim male characters (since there is only kamala lmao) and had also read a fic with Jewish bucky so I obviously projected me onto my fav Sam!! 😳 I wanted him to do things I did but also be a better Muslim lol so I don't exactly have many headcanons but I'd like to know what u think too💕 take care!

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in-a-cave-with · 4 years

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heyy i don't know if you've done this before, but would you mind posting your favorite panels of tony with riri, kamala, miles and sam?

this really good exchange in invincible iron man (2017) #3

also this !!!

tony telling riri to say she’ll pay for the window in invincible iron man (2017) #7

also that one cameo tony had in riri’s solo (ironheart #9) was just. super wholesome i cri

miles iron man-surfing in all-new all-different avengers #2

mechanic tony and miles (from anad avengers #7) is cute even though i have no idea whats going on

theres also this panel which i dont remember where its from but its v good

some really good tony & kamala moments in kamala’s solos

ms marvel (2016) #1

also this panel i think about a lot.

“friendly neighborhood iron man”, from ms marvel (2016) #4

HUG (from ms marvel (2016) #6)

civil war fucking sucks so i will ignore all the context in favor of wholesome kamala & tony moments (ms marvel (2016) #11)

throwback to when i thought magnificent ms marvel #6 was gonna be an iron man & ms marvel teamup issue but it was really just tony bringing kamala gyros and emotional support