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#and I say that as a known casgirl
doctorprofessorsong · 6 months
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OK listen.
I love the confession for the absolutely heart wrecking romantic gesture it was. The act of pure love that brought a cosmic being true happiness in a way he has never known. The way he looked at Dean Winchester, still beautiful, and told him with his dying breath "I love you." Pure true romance.
But as a casgirl (TGP Janet voice: not a girl), I also think a lot about
Because you cared, I cared. I cared about you. I cared about Sam, I cared about Jack... I cared about the whole world because of you. You changed me, Dean
From a character arc perspective this makes me want to walk into the sea. It's so fucking beautiful.
Cas is talking about the transformative power of love. Metatron was right. He was in love with humanity BECAUSE he learned to love from Dean. Because he loves Dean. Even before he can put words to it. And therefore he does love the whole world.
Cas was a loyal soldier. Lobotomies acknowledged, he murdered for Heaven over and over. He killed kids.
He wasn't strolling through Hell, saw a beautiful soul, and decided to rescue it. He was on a mission and he believed it to be a righteous one. A good one. He was actively working to cause the apocalypse and thought Dean should believe it an honor to be used.
Watching him untangle that past and learn to love and more importantly to be loved is something that speaks to me.
He isn't seeking redemption. He doesn't think he's redeemable in that sense (or perhaps it's more accurate to say forgiveness is something that he can’t control. It must be given from people like Lily Sunder)
But he does believe he can change and love and build a family even though he can't undo his past.
He doesn't have to let the past define who he is, and he doesn't have to serve the purpose his family believes is set out for him.
In 15x15, Cas says:
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Like he still lives with his trauma but he isn't defined by it. He rebuilt himself and found a family and has a kid. He loves and is loved.
Anyway, yes he loves Dean, but he also loves the world. He also changed. And that is just as beautiful to me.
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scoobydoodean · 1 year
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I see this held up as major proof of Dean's badness, but couldn't it also be proof of Cas having faith Dean can get past anything without Cas having to change his behavior? The way it's structured the onus is on DEAN to work through it, not others to change or make amends. ---- CASTIEL: You know, Dean, he – he feels things more acutely than any human I've ever known. So it's possible he could work through this. One day, he may explode and let it all out and breathe deeply and move on.
I see what you mean in a general sense, and it's extremely possible that Cas is thinking about his own past fights with Dean and Dean forgiving him, and from the perspective of the critique you have in mind that you're refuting, I agree. But of course deancrit casgirls will forever insist that Cas has never in his life done anything harmful to Dean either accidentally or on purpose, so any time Dean might dare try to hold him accountable for anything, he's actually just making shit up and being toxic and controlling, so here Cas is just apologizing for his own abusive relationship. You can only get their take by being deliberately obtuse/disingenuous.
That said, the context of that line (from 15.13 "Destinty's Child") is Cas answering soulless Jack's question about whether Dean will eventually forgive him for murdering Mary.
CASTIEL: Hey, Jack. JACK: Cas, you know what's good about being dead? CASTIEL: Uh, as I recall, very little. JACK: Well, when you come back, you – you really get into all that life is. Hot, cold, sweet, spicy, funny, scary. CASTIEL: And are you? "Into it"? JACK: I want to be. But I don't... feel things the way I used to. Before I lost my... CASTIEL: Your soul. JACK: I used to feel things. In my bones. It was glorious, and sometimes unbearable. But I felt them. Now, I understand joy or sadness, but... I know those things aren't in me. I understand why Sam and Dean were angered by what happened to Mary... CASTIEL: By what you did to Mary. JACK: Yes. I see that I've caused them pain. And it's clear that things have changed. Especially with – with Dean. Will he ever forgive me? CASTIEL: You know, Dean, he – he feels things more acutely than any human I've ever known. So it's possible he could work through this. One day, he may explode and let it all out and breathe deeply and move on. JACK: How long will that take? CASTIEL: I don't know.
And yeah—I have seen people refer to Cas's little speech here as "condoning child abuse" and other bullshit. Because how DARE Dean not forgive soulless Jack for murdering his mother (something soulless Jack is unable to actually really acknowledge he did). I mean clearly any time someone murders your mom because she made them mad and threatened their sense of security by asking if they're okay and saying their concerning actions can’t stay a secret… That’s just natural understandable stuff! You need to forgive the person who murdered her instantly and if you don’t idk you’re kinda overreacting don’t you think? :/ I mean your mom probably deserved it kind of anyway for reading the room so wrong and talking about getting a person help. And I mean if you don't forgive the person who killed your mom or do anything trying to stop them from hurting more people you're really a child abuser... toward an adult... who murdered your mother in cold blood and is unable to even understand why it was wrong in any sense other than an intellectual one like he read it from a book... preferring to refer to it as "What happened to Mary" instead of acknowledge it as something he himself did because he was mad and felt threatened—which is what he circled back to in "Jack In The Box" too. It's only when Jack gets his soul back that he's able to actually feel true empathy, acknowledge his real actions and the gravity of them, and give an actual sincere apology. Because his soul is actually important—something this fandom refuses, by and large, to notice.
Anyway, this fandom's take on Mary's murder and soulless Jack vs. regular Jack is overwhelmingly a bag of wet third grader vomit and feces so what can one expect?
#mail#soulless jack killing mary is popularly regarded as an accident... but it's pretty transparent that it wasn't?#or rather it was on purpose but he regretted it the second after it happened. but that is still. Something he chose to do. Not an accident.#He saw her as a threat to his relationship with Sam and Dean and he acted.#This is indicated right before he kills her. He admits it outright also right before calling it an accident which unravels that whole idea.#It wasn’t pre-meditated but in that moment he wanted her to die. She was going to tell everyone there was something wrong with him.#And he did not want that.#It wasn't an accident and he can't handle his own culpability because it threatens his belief that he can make things be the way they were#before it happened. Which is why he killed her to begin with! He didn't want anyone to know/think anything was wrong with him!#And just like soulless Jack just wants everyone to forget about it and act like nothing happened and he's fine...#Many fans want Dean to forget about it. They want Dean to believe and say and feel and think that Mary did not matter.#And that being upset at her literal murder (even if it was an accident—which it was not) is bad and evil.#And Sam's great capacity for numbness (which we already saw in season 13) strengthen's their own lack of empathy for Dean#in a situation that in real life they would understand unless they're actual psychopaths.#It's only because Dean is a character in a narrative representing the need/capacity to be loved and accepted at all#that these demands that his thoughts and feelings bend to everyone else's emotional needs become so disturbingly intrusive#dont feed the stans after midnight#and cas is my best friend#hot girl cas
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restlesshush · 2 years
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Jack and Cas for the make-me-choose!
God. Extremely difficult.
There’s like, lots of levels I could think about this on? Jack is my little guy who I am forced to think about to the extent that I have very much been known to explain him to people as part of updating them on my life (ahdkfkfkgkgkgjg), but also he is super upsetting to contemplate, whereas Cas has a self-indulgent streak that at least allows you to get darkly comic with it, which is more actively fun to me often? Like I (mostly) don’t take as great joy putting Jack in situations as I do Cas because it would just make him and therefore me miserable, whereas Cas has all these fun twisty brain mechanics that I like poking.
Okay so to actually try and answer this – technically if you push me, probably Jack, but also with the caveats 1) this is late seasons, s4-5 Cas probably does win and 2) the Jack who is my little guy is one who takes a lot of “okay but what is the logical extrapolation you have to make from what the text has given you” to get to, whereas the surface level Jack that they were theoretically going for (other than Yockey) is of pretty much no interest to me. Also, my cop-out answer is that if you’re doing casgirlism properly, you should get jackgirlism by proxy, so I’m allowed so say both <3
Make me choose
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StackedNatural Day 84: 7x12
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January 13, 2022
7x12: Time After Time
Written by: Robbie Thompson
Directed by: Phil Sgriccia
Original air date: January 13, 2012
Plot Synopsis:
After attacking Chronos, the time god, Dean is sent back to 1944.
Features:
Fuck Yes Time Travel, Dean has big bi energy staring at that soldier’s ass, Robbie Thompson is the only SPN writer to acknowledge the Obama presidency, Chronos the Titan, Eliot Ness is here, Jody is back, the future is full of black ooze (and accidental Empty foreshadowing).
My Thoughts:
I remembered liking this episode but I still liked it way more than I thought I was going to which is always a delightful surprise with Stacked, especially in a Cas-less period like this point of season 7. Also, @meg3point0 pulled some meta out of the literal air while we were watching this and I’m obsessed. These are the benefits of doing Stacked with a buddy rather than trying to do it by yourself. We don’t always watch together but I feel like I take way better notes when we do.
First thought was that the actor playing the initial witness was 100% convinced that this role was going to be his Big Break™, and also he has never smoked weed once in his life.
Meg thinks that Eliot Ness’ intro with the long tan coat being blocked by the light fixture was Casgirl-bait because conceivably Cas could have been around in 1944 and THAT would have been a delicious little fic of an episode. Also, I don’t know who Eliot Ness is outside of this episode of Supernatural so I only give a shit about him in that he activates Dean’s fangirl brain which is extremely endearing.
Also extremely endearing is Dean’s gay little dressing montage. Has the same vibes as Mint Condition. Let Dean care about what he looks like! Let him explore fashion! Continue to dress him in this exact outfit and take his jacket off so I can stare at the vest and gun holster and gay little side part!
This episode is directed pretty well but Phil Sgriccia is still on thin fucking ice from how bad he did with The Bad Place and the shaky-cam reality tv found footage travesty, so we’ll see how he does for the rest of Stacked.
Okay, let’s crack into Meg’s off the dome meta that I was frantically taking notes on while we watched: First, Dean is desperate for approval in this episode, and he doesn’t really get it. Honestly, Ness is kind of a dick. Second, this is the third time this season that he has opened up to a male friend/coworker and been vulnerable about how he’s feeling in the wake of Cas’ betrayal and subsequent death, and then immediately after is shut down and told that he needs to buck up and do the job. The first time was Bobby in 7x09 How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters; Dean says he can’t see why everything matters anymore and Bobby says, among other things, that Dean isn’t a person, he’s a hunter, and that he has to find a way to get his head back in the game. Two episodes later, 7x11 Adventures in Babysitting, he tells Frank Devereaux he’s upset because his friend got shot in the head and died (ONE EPISODE AGO) and Frank tells him to either do the job like a professional or leave behind everyone he’s ever known and quit. And then in this episode, Dean tells Ness that he’s not sure why he does anything anymore because everyone he loves keeps dying, and Ness says, and I quote, “Boo-hoo. Cry me a river, ya nancy”. I talk so much about how repressed Dean is but given someone with a little bit more distance than Sam (who he still sees partially as his child and not his brother), he will take almost any opportunity to talk about what’s eating him, and the world will keep shoving him back into his little box. If Bobby had asked the right question when he was a teenager he probably would have come out of the closet on the spot.
The most important part of the meta, though, is that in 5 episodes Dean is going to meet “Emmanuel”, and Cas will look at him without even knowing him and tell him that he isn’t a machine and he is allowed to feel things. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A ROMANCE. FUCK.
Notable Lines:
“What, are you gonna look up more anime, or are you strictly into Dick now?”
“I used to do it 'cause that's what my family did. But they just seem to keep dying. To tell you the truth, I don't know why I'm doing much of anything anymore.”
“You want to know your future? I know your future. It's covered in thick black ooze. It’s everywhere.”
Laura’s (completely subjective) Episode Rating: 8.7
IMdB Rating: 8.9
In Conclusion: Woof, this one got away from me. Hope the three people who read these enjoy it!
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gonna vent for a second, i’m sorry. (i’m starting to treat you like my text thread to misha lol.) whatever comes of the prequel, i’m excited to see dean again and i trust no one more than jackles to bring him back to us. not to get emotional in the inbox, but it’s so obvious how much he loves that character?? can you believe he wants him back as much as we do?? to give him a chance to SPEAK. to exist again on his own terms. i know the narration thing is weird (it might be interesting!) and i think everyone is in their right to be upset and scared, but i really want this to happen (if it’s done well). i want CMP to have a fighting chance. it’s such a good team of people and this leaves potential for more stories. ever since i started watching, i’ve said how frustrated i was that they dropped amazing characters and storylines. or never explored intriguing themes enough. jensen’s even said it. now he gets to take the reins. we don’t know the j*hn and mary premise yet. we know nothing, and that leaves room for anxiety, but it leaves room for possibility too. the c/w, i know. the finale, i know. but there’s more creative control from trusted sources. no singer. no buckleming (god willing). and now a jensen who’s warming up to deancas and the ackles duo who clearly love misha. robbie who writes women well and might make this more mary centric. jackles and robbie are aware of j*hn’s shitty behavior too. we have so much evidence that we can trust them. we got burned before because people we constantly fought against were butting in. now hopefully most of those walls aren’t here to block our paths. obviously not the network (sigh) but there’s more wiggle room than there was before yk. are these words making sense? i feel like i sound too optimistic, maybe even naive. i promise my expectations are low, but i feel willing to give them the benefit of the doubt right now. i hope i’m right that this is his way to right wrongs and fill in empty spaces. to clear the path for characters getting justice, deancas actually seeing the light of day, and team free will getting their toes-in-the-sand ending, which will take time and some smaller water-testing projects like this. i don’t know. i wanted to boost morale and spread some love for this here. the finale left a bitter taste in my mouth, all of ours, and clearly jensen’s too. he said he wouldn’t touch the show if it was perfect, but now here he is basically expanding on it (for the better) because we all deserved to walk away satisfied. also just to see the characters happy. i’m cautiously, or maybe recklessly, optimistic that it’s at least worth considering. sorry for how long this got lmao. thanks for reading it, though, and i hope you’re well. <3
it's my goal in life to be treated like a text thread to Misha (maybe just not the one from me).
you are so right and you should say it ALL of THIS. this is the energy I want the fandom to send Jensen, Danneel, and CMP.
and dean, even if its just his voice, back on my screen?? NARRATING?! HIS POV, we are inside his head?! I am emotional in the inbox right along with you, nonnie. I think this is the perfect team to start this journey that Jensen has always wanted to take, and Robbie is the perfect captain to steer that ship with his incredible, nuanced, intelligent writing. I watched the panel with him and Rachel and the man cares. He cares about the show, the characters.
Most of all he cares about the fans. I am happy this is in his capable hands.
And if y'all think known Casgirl Danneel Ackles, who literally told SPN to create an OC character for her just so she could be in scenes with Cas/Misha, isn't going to involve one (1) Dmitri in this in some way? Pfft. Jensen voice 'what show have you been watching,' etc.
Thank you for sending me your incredible points, and sorry for being so long winded in my response :)
bumps don't stop us, send me an ask!
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How dp you think a video of Danneel and Vicki commenting on a destiel kiss would go?? Danneel known casgirl and Vicki absolute icon react to their husbands characters making out, how do yiu think that'd go
*Danneel and Vicki sitting on the couch watching the [cut] kiss scene on the TV*
Danneel: Oh! It’s about to happen! Oh my God, here they go!
Vicki: Mish is going to do his stare-thing first. He likes to do that to build the tension. He even tries it with me but then I just laugh at him.
Danneel: That’s so fuckin’ cute. I just love him.
Vicki: Good, I’ll send him your way the next time he’s driving me nuts with some new venture.
Danneel: Please do!
Vicki: You got a deal. Oh, look-- they’re leaning in.
Danneel: Jensen is so fucking excited. I can practically feel his boner through the screen.
Vicki: He is rather smitten, isn’t he?
Danneel: Jesus, you have no idea. He actually *practiced* kisses with me on video just to see what looked best on screen and what felt the best for me. He wanted it to be perfect for Misha.
Vicki: That’s adorable. They’re adorable. Misha was just nervous. He really wanted the whole scene to feel right for the characters and for the audience.
Danneel: It’s sweet how much they both care-- OH MY GOD, THEY’RE KISSING! DEAN AND CAS ARE FINALLY KISSING!
Vicki: And Jensen and Mish are finally kissing on screen! Now we can all live in peace because the sexual tension between our husbands’ alter-egos is finally diffused!
Danneel: This calls for a toast!
Vicki: Here, here!
Danneel: And then, after the toast ... I say we go show those guys how it’s really done.
Vicki: *winking* here, here.
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kdfrqqg · 7 years
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Tag you're it!
I was tagged by @honeybeetrash also I am blaming @webcricket
Rules: Answer 20 questions and tag 10 followers to get to know better
Name: Kris, it’s short for Krystle. Clearly my mom wanted me to become a stripper.
Chinese Zodiac Sign: Cancer the crab ♋
Height: 5'6"
Ethnicity: American (my ancestry is mostly British)
Hogwarts House: Slytherin probably but dammit if that stupid hat wouldn’t put me in Hufflepuff. I have a huge crush on Snape, Draco and Lucius Malfoy.
Myers-Briggs (MBTI) Personality Results: ENFP Extravert(47%)  iNtuitive(19%) Feeling(22%)  Perceiving(3%) That is what my internet results said. I have never taken the real thing
Favorite Season(s): Fall, I love all of the changing colors of the leaves. It starts to get cold and you would rather spend time under a blanket with your favorite person than anywhere else. Everything is pumpkin flavored, sue me I’m a white girl. Everybody’s homes smell like hot apple cider and my hubby and I got married in the fall.
Favorite Book(s): I really liked the Kingsfountain series by Jeff Wheeler. It’s all about love, magic, and royalty.
Favorite Flower(s): Lilies, and hydrangeas
Favorite Color(s): I am a pink kinda girl. Even my engagement ring is Morganite (also known​ a pink emerald/beryl). I tend to go for more pink, red or orange tones. I like green and purple on me personally because I have green eyes.
Favorite Animal(s) & Why?: so I love sharks, I used to watch shark week every year when I was a kid. I really thought I would go into marine biology when I was younger. I also love dogs and cats! I have one dog and four cats. Dog are just so sweet and loving. In my lifetime, I have probably owned dozens and dozens of cats. Not exaggerating, one time my parents and I had 8 cats, thank goodness they were indoor/outdoor cats. Even when they are being little assholes, they are still cute.
Favorite Ice Cream Flavor: vanilla ice cream, with black cherry and chocolate chunks
Average Hours of Sleep: this depends on if my husband is in town or not. When he is around, we normally go to bed around 10 to 10:30 at night thus I get my 7 to 8 hours. When he is away, which is frequent, I tend to stay up till at least midnight if not till​ 2 am then if course I only get about 3-4 hours of sleep.
SamGirl/DeanGirl/CasGirl/CrowleyGirl/Other/None?: Ok so I love them all. Can’t I just have them all. I love young skinny Sam more than I love older Sam. Meaning if both younger and older Sam were at a bar I’d go and talk to young Sam. Now, I not saying I don’t like the way Sam/Jared has filled out but I love skinny guys and Sam is big beef cake now. I am actually very attracted to how smart his character is and that he is big nerd which you don’t really expect. Side note: I loved me some​ Kevin Tran. Oh Dean, yes, so crazy thing is Dean and I are probably the most alike. We like way too much rock and roll. I like to drink and get laid, ok before I got married, that is what I like to do. I am in a straight relationship but I consider myself to be bi and I personally believe that Dean is bisexual and that he is in love with his best friend, much like I have had happen numerous times in my life. All my life I was told or I simply felt that I wasn’t smart which made me work really hard to prove my worth. I follow orders very well. My relationship with my dad was definitely very verbal abusive when I was young but I know now it wasn’t about me but about my parents relationship so we are almost BFFs now. I love to eat! Burgers and blueberry pie is like heaven. I like to get in my car and just drive, I always drive my car to places and am rarely the passenger and no one touches my radio. We are both confident and almost cocky. Also I look like a plus size female version of Jensen, the whole green olive eyes, freckles, dark sandy blonde hair. God is he pretty, just like me. Did I mention I’m cocky. Also I am very over protective of those I love. Hell I remember wearing my dad’s leather jacket in highschool. I just identify with him so much. Cas is the most like my the type of men that I normally date. Out of everyone he is the most like my husband. Virginal, religious, smart, patient, kind, loving, dorky, skinny, gorgeous blue eyes and awkward (did I just describe Cas or my husband, yes, yes I did.) Oh Crowley, my hero, as the King of Hell, his is kinda tame. I loved that under him hell wasn’t this place of utter torture, but of long lines because people hate waiting in line. He didn’t agree with the whole sex for souls thing to boost the soul numbers. He has morals that you don’t expect. I can only imagine how good that man smells too. There are only a few things I disliked about Crowley, that he killed Meg, that he tried to kill Jody and that he killed Sarah Blake but overall I have gotten over that. He is damn sexy and I bet he has a daddy kink too.
Favorite SPN Character & Why: Dean. I gave you my dissertation above. I want him to be happy and in love with Cas. I will never tell my ultra conservative husband this but I believe in Destiel so much because I see the parallels between their relationship and our relationship.
Second Favorite SPN Character & Why: Cas but also probably Charlie. Because she is simply awesome, sexy, confident, she and I would be BFFs and end up making out. 
Favorite Fictional Characters Other Than SPN: this is hard oh so many to choose from. Probably Buffy because she was the first real fandom that I joined. With that you can’t have Buffy without Willow.
Favorite Superheroes: Batman
Favorite Movies: I loved the Harry Potter movies, I can honestly watch them all the time. Pride and Prejudice Love Actually I love romances and action movies.
What Would Your Personal SPN Heaven Look Like?: The best spring time picnic with my husband, family and friends. My dog is there and there is the best music playing in the background.
So I am tagging: @chaos-and-the-calm67 @notnaturalanahi @uselessace @boxer-pup @helvonasche @xdifsx @fuschiarulerinthebluebox
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