#and people got mad because she worked with ketch because bmol tortured them

[ahsokasforce]

supernatural writers really hate women because why is when mary screws up is “why don’t you just try to be a mom for once” and when john literally abuses sam and dean for over 20 years it’s “well it’s okay dad we know you did your best” like… HE DID NOT? STAND UP!! they made dean trauma dump on mary and list all the shit that happen to them when it’s was over john’s watch because she was dead? and that “i hate you but i love you” moment? WTF??😭😭😭 they were never this harsh on john but all it took was one single season to be enough to hate her… anyways thank you supernatural for bringing her back so people could say she’s on the same bad parenting level as john and killing her off for male trauma 😻🎉 girl power girls get it done etc etc

[holylulusworld]

Aftermath – Part 15

Summary: After Dean tried to sacrifice himself to defeat Amara while Sam got kidnapped by the BMOL, the reader and the Winchesters try to find back a way into a “normal life”.

MoC set in Season 12

Pairing: Dean x Reader x Sam, Mary Winchester, Jody, Claire, Ketch

Warnings: language, angst, blood, injured reader, characters death, fighting, violence, badass reader

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“Y/N? Oh god, Y/N!” Sam screams panicked.

Pressing his large hand to the wound at your chest he checks your pulse. Running to your side Dean prays to Castiel to come around immediately.

“What happened? Fuck we should’ve never left her alone,” Dean curses holding your hand.

“She texted me, she wrote that mom arrived and that I shall come back. That’s the reason I called you.”

“Sammy…don’t tell me you think mom did this to her,” Dean says worriedly.

“Y/N didn’t use her weapon. No one would get close to her without eating a bullet.”

“Except she trusts the person, like mom,” Dean whispers. Squeezing your hand he tries to remain calm while the fear eats him alive.

“Dean? Sam? Mary…she...” coughing you try to tell them that Mary shot you.

“We know. Hold on, Baby, hold on. Cas will be here soon. We love you, please hold on.” Dean begs.

“Baby you need to hold on. Please don’t leave us. Dean and I love you.”

“I love you too. Always have,” you whisper losing consciousness.

----

The fire slowly burns down and the ash waves away. Another life is lost. Ketch and his BMOL killed another hunter. Another loved one. Letting the tears fall, Sam watches the fire dying.

Looking at his brother Dean swallows hard. There was no way in saving her but still, the guilt is eating them up.

“That wasn’t your fault Sam,” you whisper.

“Eileen died as she helped us back then. They only knew about her because of us,” Sam whispers.

Hugging your lover tight you forget about your wound. Flinching you whine in pain.

“You okay, shall we go back?” Dean asks concerned.

“It’s only a broken rip. You know I had it much worse some weeks ago.”

“Don’t remind me. I thought we lost you, Baby.”

“I’m not dying that easily, Winchester.”

“Let’s drive back to the bunker, mom is back. She still feels sorry about what happened.” Sam says.

“I know. That wasn’t Mary’s fault. They used her, just like us. She’s a victim too.”

“Still she blames herself for what happened.”

“I know, Dean, I know. Let me talk to her later. Maybe I can make her see that I’m not mad at her.”

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“We still need to talk about the plan,” Sam says.

“Why? We all agreed this is the only way. Ketch doesn’t know Mary is back to herself. He doesn’t know Castiel and Dean fixed her by melting their minds.”

“I’m still worried.”

“Sam, Mary is capable of doing this. She won’t be alone. I will play her prisoner – remember? We go in open the door and you, Dean, Jody and the other hunters join us and then we kick their asses so hard they wish Lucifer would torture them in hell instead of us.”

“God, I love it when you’re angry,” Dean says.

“Okay, Mary and I will talk things out before we bring the plan to life. Also, we need to make sure that everyone knows his job. I don’t want to lose any more hunters.”

“But we might lose some,” Sam whispers.

“They all know the risk and are willing to participate, Sam. I will ask everyone again if they want to join us. I told Garth to stay behind. Bess is pregnant, she needs him and we don’t want him to turn any BMOL member into a werewolf.”

“Okay.”

“Dean will check the weapons, Sam you can check the construction plans Mary gave us and I’ll have my talk with Mary. I know she feels guilty, but it wasn’t her fault. Just like you Sam she wanted a better world, without hunting.”

-----

“You ready Mary?”

“Yes. I’m still not sure…I mean do you really want to risk your life again?”

“Mary we need to explain your absence. This is the only way. Bringing Ketch his favorite prisoner will distract him, Mary. Dean, Sam and the others will be with us. We only need to distract Ketch for a few minutes to invade their headquarter.”

“I hope you’re right.”

“You can do it, Mary. I trust you.”

“Even after what I did? I almost killed you…no I killed you. Castiel brought you back. Your heart stopped beating for a second, Y/N. I killed the woman my sons love.”

“Mary, look at me. That wasn’t your fault. While Dean was a demon he almost…raped me. When Sam was soulless he didn’t care that I got attacked by a werewolf. That plush bastard almost turned me, okay. I forgave them. They weren’t themselves just like you. We are a family. Now shut up and let’s kick their stiff British asses.”

“Now I know why my sons love you.”

Laughing you hug Mary tight. She needs this. What’s better to bring a family back together than kicking some monsters ass? Nothing.

----

“Weapons are ready. Sam made an invasion plan. He will fill you all in. Mary and I will go in first to distract the enemy. She will open the back entrance for you. We send you all the construction plans. We will have three groups. Mary and I are the invasion troop. Dean will be the storm troop and Sam will meet up with me and Mary at this point. Sam, can you explain the rest?”

“Alright. We … my brother and Y/N called you all in as our people are being slaughtered by those British Men of Letters. Most of you were smart enough to turn them down. I didn’t. They said they want the same we wanted. A world free of monsters. But sadly that’s not what they really wanted. Those guys want to sit in their fancy offices to decide who gets to live and who gets to die…they killed innocent people…Eileen…people we saved…They think the ends justifies the means. We all know better. We are hunters. Hunting isn’t just about killing, it’s about saving people, about making the world safer for all of us.”

“What can we do? What do you want us to do?” Roy asks cautiously.

“I want you all to follow me and my family. Let’s take the fight to them. Attack them while they believe they have the upper hand.” Sam says and you’re proud of him. For the first time, he talks like a leader.

“He’s good at it,” Dean whispers and you smile.

“Count me in Winchesters!” Jody says. “They killed Mick, he saved Claire…they will pay for killing our people.”

“Alright. Claire, Alex, and Garth will stay behind. I saw that eye roll Claire! I know you want to fight but sometimes you have to stay behind. If we fail we need at least two living hunters to protect the bunker, the legacy.” You say.

“Ready to roll then?” Dean asks.

“If someone wants to get out of this say it now.” Sam states.

“No one wants to get out! They kill one of us. We will kill 5 of them,” Roy grunts.

“Good. Dean will give you the weapons. Mary and I will prepare some stuff. We meet in 20 outside the bunker. I know you are all tough hunters, be careful anyway. We lost too many good people lately. Don’t be one of them,” you say looking every single hunter in the face.

----

“Ready, Y/N?” Mary asks still worried.

“Let’s do this. Sam and Dean are counting on us.”

Slowly going toward the entrance of the BMOL headquarter you swallow hard. You hope the spell Rowena used to hide your weapons will work.

The door finally opens and you enter the building on wobbling legs. Mary seems to be nervous too.

“You need to act cold and distant. No matter what happened you have to open the door. No matter what Mary.”

“Okay.”

“Ah, what a pleasant surprise!” Ketch says grinning.

“I found her outside the bunker. The boys are dead,” Mary reports coldly.

“Great. Have a rest. We will strike soon. Sioux Falls, Jody Mills, and Claire Novak are next. Along with Donna Hanscum.” Ketch says.

“I’ll be prepared as always,” Mary says looking at you, not Ketch.

“Good, rest. I’ll have a conversation with that one here. I bet she will be as obeying as you when I’m done with her…”

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@pretty-fortune

[stephanie-likes]

Supernatural 12.17 The British Invasion

Do you think Legacies have to participate in the Battle Royale?

What do they do if the kids pull a good old fashioned 74th Hunger Games on them?

I miss Mick’s real voice.

Why are you standing so close, Dean?

Fuck all will happen. Fuck all is the only thing that happens with threats that are hyped up this much.

I like that cinematography.

There are four lights.

Do you think Mick brought the V8, or Sam and Dean had that? Probably Sam had it.

I will never believe Michael couldn’t handle the cage. Ne.ver.

The scene makes me cringe.

Lucifer never wanted Hell.

Mick is such a fucking dumb ass. Everything bad that happens is because he never learned to lie. Or evaluate a situation.

Also if you do it, Dean will put one right between your eyes before you say go, so...

Chicken butt.

No. You’re choosing the BMoL over them. The issue was never with you hunting, but with you working with the people who tortured your son.

Even the mention of killing Eileen makes me so angry.

Deleted Scenes:

I have seen this deleted scene too. Who was showing me these scenes? It is a good one though, so I don’t mind.

With Commentary:

All their voices sound the same to me, except Eugenie’s.

Oh wait. Never mind. I don’t think Adam Fergus had actually said anything yet.

This two episode character just got called an arch-villain.

The whole story arc for the BMoL was Mick’s history?

Also this was a comment from way earlier, but not all monsters need to by sympathetic, sometimes it is okay for them to just be monsters.

I don’t recall the fandom talking about parallels between season 2 and BMoL, but okay. (If any of my little nerds have a link to a meta, or a gif set, hmu.)

Adam Fergus’ real voice is so much more proletariat than his Mick voice, and I’m kinda in love with it.

They don’t have any idea where they’re going at the beginning of the seasons. I’d blame the current producers, but I have listened to every commentary up to this point, so I know the dirty truth.

I mean like... Mick isn’t a villain. So there’s that.

When they talk about Crowley, it doesn’t sound like they know the character.

What a completely mundane version of Lucifer.

I just want a bad guy that is a bad guy. I want a reason to use Voltaire’s When You’re Evil for a set.

LMFAO. They just said Ketch had one of the best character introductions. Have they seen the show?

Hate the demon uniform, and that’s why I can’t be friends with whoever said they liked them. It wasn’t Eugenie, or Adam Fergus.

There’s still so much of this episode left, and they haven’t spoken in like a minute.

I know a bunch of reasons that fans are mad about Mary, but I haven’t seen one upset that she’s “cheating” on John.

I haven’t played chopsticks in a long time.  I don’t think I actually remember how to, and it was the only thing I ever knew. When was the last time I was even near a piano?

Though I played a mean help me rhonda on my little tikes tap-a-tune.

Learned it because of Short Circuit 2.

Zoned out for a bit there. Pretty sure they just talked about Mick being sympathetic, but don’t worry Ketch is sympathetic too. Complex bad guys. You know. Compliments all around to ourselves.

[eisforeidolon]

Episode: The Raid

Oh, this was much better.  Not the best episode ever, but considering the ongoing storylines already in play and the telegraphed likely future conflict with the BMOL over ethics, a solid one.

Thankfully, we finally got to have at least a little time to dwell on some of the emotional conflicts this season.  The BMOL's torture of Sam, Mary's utter abandonment of her children and giant shitstorm of lies, and the Winchester's feelings about it.  Could have stood to have a little more, but at least it finally got some screen time. 

Mary goes on about “playing three decades of catch up” as a sympathy ploy, but it just doesn't work when she's been playing them with the BMOL, not her sons.  She may be their mother, but she has done absolutely nothing to be their Mom.  She's telling herself she's doing this for her sons - her sons she hasn't bothered to get to know or ask what they want.  So no, I don't believe for a second it's about them in any real sense, though perhaps she might actually think it is in the mess of justifications in her head.  Of course, I also find getting out of hunting even for herself suspect as hell, because she supposedly quit hunting when she got married, wanted nothing more than to stay out … and yet they made that a complete fucking lie earlier this season.  So why am I supposed to buy it as a motivation again now after its plausibility has been so effectively sabotaged?  Or are we going back to that thing where all the hunters believe they can’t get out but believe others can, like that bit with Bobby about Dean at the beginning of season 6? 

I can't not find that one BMOL guy gushing about Mary being the awesomest Winchester to ever awesome a little hilarious.  Dude is totally hot for her, that's the only possible explanation so far as I'm concerned, especially considering how spotty their information has been on the Winchesters.  

I get that we're probably supposed to assume the vampire population climbed during the whole Mother of All business or whatever, but I can't help but be underwhelmed by the idea of the BMOL wiping out all of the vampires … when we were told they were on the verge of extinction a little over a decade ago.  Through the efforts of bog standard American hunters.  All the gadgets, and the BMOL can't even match that without nearly getting wiped out in turn by their own arrogance.  Tsk tsk. 

Speaking of gadgets, loved Sam's little quip about the “low budget Mission Impossible vibe”.  Especially since I was thinking earlier with the scene in their temporary headquarters that it was annoying the writers seem to wish they were writing James Bond this season with all the sudden epic gadgets and sci-fi looking hideout crap.  I dunno, I get it as a way to contrast them with the Winchesters, and I’m a little more forgiving of it after this episode showing it failing them so utterly, but it can’t help but feel a little gimmicky and ass-pull-ish.  Possibly I’m just being picky.    

I do have to question why they still aren't managing to recruit any hunters, though. Because they do have gadgets.  And they are apparently effectively killing tons of things.  The other hunters weren't tortured by one of their wackadoo operatives gone rogue.  So....?  I mean, sure, hunters are secretive and suspicious, but seriously nobody but Mary is impressed with their toys and kill rate?  Maybe if they gave less speeches and more free samples or something, I don't know.

Of course the BMOL would know the locations of other MOL bunkers, that only makes sense.  I did like the interplay between Ketch and Dean. He knew enough to bring a gift in liquor form, to get him in the door.  To then not-so-subtly push off Toni as a crazy ex-girlfriend who he tried to warn his organization about to distance both himself personally and the BMOL generally from her actions.  And then to cap it all off by a session of bonding over old-fashioned machete wielding violence.  I liked that he totally thought he had Dean on the hook from it.  Of course, the best part was that I think their interaction over the remaining vampire in the nest makes it clear he actually didn't at all. Dean is a very physical kind of guy and seems pretty obvious on the surface, but that’s just the surface - he's not a sadist by choice, the violence is more a means to an end and an outlet than a real joy.  He’s more than intelligent enough to know exactly what Ketch was trying with each of his overtures, and even pissed at Mary, no doubt wants to know what they’re getting her into.  I think he probably has far more of a measure of Ketch than Ketch does of him at the end of this day.  Well, if the writers have even a smidgen of a clue what they’re doing, anyway.

With the minor question of why all the doors in the BMOL compound aren't on lock down by default, I did think the whole section of the episode that took place with the vampire incursion there was excellent.  Of course the BMOL were overconfident and despite knowing the vampires were all connected - even bragging about that knowledge – somehow didn't realize they'd strike back. Likewise their overestimation that they knew where the Alpha was, and the fact none of them there were fighters or remotely prepared (which tracks much better with what we knew of the American branch, too). Although I've seen people attribute it to seeing the Colt again, Sam's face when Mary is caught in yet another lie about having risked all their lives for it after having lied to get him there ... and his ability to push past it to do the job of the moment.  Sam remembering the recipe for the bullets, the only other hunter there being a mole, all the bluffing between Sam and the Alpha Vamp, Sam and the BMOL guy making and executing a plan without words, and the callback to the old slow-mo of the Colt being fired.

It's a bit of a bummer to see the Alpha Vamp go, but since older characters that get brought back on this show often seem to either die immediately or gradually have every bit of nuance and interest sucked out as they linger on like a bad smell (hey, Lucifer!) … he was awesome in this episode right down to the final quip when he knew he was bested, so I'll take it.  The way it was shot with the flashbacks was particularly striking, too.

I get why Dean would rush to save Mary, but I hate that the writers yet again go back to that place where he has to take back his rightful anger and be sorry for … being upset at being repeatedly lied to and betrayed when not being entirely ignored by his own mother.  Yeah, no, fuck that.  It has nothing at all to do with wanting to be coddled, unless by coddled you mean not intentionally shit on.  You can be incredibly mad at someone, not forgive or excuse their actions, and not want them to die at the same time.  Considering this is always what Dean does when he has a conflict with family, which is why so much never gets resolved and comes back again, it’s way less surprising this happened than that some people apparently think this is somehow character development?  Whatever.

Granted, it will have a lot to do with how it plays out, but I'm not actually upset at this point by Sam agreeing to work with the BMOL, because I can see a few reasons for it after this episode.  I don’t necessarily exclude buying into their spiel to some degree and being impressed with their tech as a factor, though I’d like to think Sam would have enough healthy suspicion for it not to be the only one.

As to other possibilities, if Mary is tied in to the BMOL, any time they're in trouble he and Dean are going to get pulled in, anyway, just like here - and Sam has seemed overeager all along to try and connect with and justify Mary’s decisions despite her own lack of efforts.  It may have been his version of picking a side by going along to look out for Mary, assuming Dean will, as always, eventually bend, especially since he already did enough to show this time.   

For another thing, if the BMOL have really been killing that many monsters, better to know what's going on with them.  Future retaliation might not just come back on the BMOL, it might hit hunters, too – they are changing the balance, and better to know what they're doing and have some time to prepare than be in the dark.  In fact, it might be a good idea to know just what they are doing to make sure there isn't anything shady going on (spoiler: there totally is).  

Finally, I've seen a few complaints about how it makes no sense that Sam would voluntarily join up after seeing how incompetent this op of the BMOL turned out, but I actually think it's directly the opposite.  What better way to convince someone like Sam to get involved than to show that these people actually do need HIS help?  If they're just other hunters out killing monsters, whatever, fine, their organization screwed him over and he wants no part of it.  But Sam got to know these new people a little bit as people.  Humans, fighting on the same side, who were nothing like Toni, and they'd have been massacred if he wasn't there.  Sure, the tech angle was cool and all, and he knows they’re potentially shady, but what better bait could they possibly have come up with to put on that hook than being needed?  One of Sam’s biggest weaknesses is an almost desperation to be the hero, to be doing good and therefore be able to believe he is good. 

I won't, however, be so willing to forgive the writers if it ultimately turns into another fucking brothers-lying-to-each-other debacle.  Let's leave that zombie horse alone, can't we, please?  

[elizabethrobertajones]

I want to flail about Mary calling Cas one of her boys, but I'm not feeling it. I think because it's too soon? I never saw evidence really that she thought of him as family so it's a little jarring. I mean maybe they bonded while driving to look for Sam and Dean that one time but mostly she yelled at him and then they sat at a bar. Did I miss something?

Anonymous said: i am confused, i keep seeing posts about mary referring to cas as one of her boys but other people is saying that mary was talking about dean, who was attacked, which one is true?

I’m pretty sure this was meant to refer to Cas because she was talking about the events of this episode and Cas nearly dying played a really huge role in it, if some people missed that >.>

(Okay I shouldn’t side-eye, because some people may have had the same thought as the other anon and rationalised it that she must have meant Dean, even subconsciously without considering it would have been Cas at all)

But I think it was a statement meant to show conclusively that Cas was family now, just like I’m pretty sure the clarification on “I love you” to “I love all of you” was meant to make sure Mary knew he was talking about her, especially as he was looking at her when he said they were family. 

I got ragged on last time I said an episode was all about Cas and Mary, so I’ll say it again. Actually, this is like, at least the third episode which has been about Cas and Mary though obviously the worst offender of the lot - 12x03, 12x09 and now this one. Sam and Dean didn’t even get badass POV chapters in this story. They hung out and killed some stuff and looked cool and held Cas’s hands, but like, actual emotional POV scenes weighted in their favour or any real plot stuff… nah. the closest we got was the 2 Sam and Mary conversations about Yellow Eyed things or how Mary seemed to be doing in general. Both of which Sam made about Mary.

I rambled on about it a bit more in my notes, but really, Cas saying they’re family and that he loves them is not just The Big Choice about where he wants to be and where he belongs, like, finally putting words to it and being accepted when he does so, but showing he’s sort of unlocked a new very human sort of love, which is the next stage of unconditional family love… Mary’s working behind their backs is going to have to come out eventually, and Cas took the biggest hit so far (aside from poor Wally) and he’s going to have every right to be hurt and feel betrayed, but I don’t think that’s going to be like, Friendship Over. I think he’s still going to want to stand by how he feels about them and still be willing to die for her (I hope by not literally dying for her in some selfish act because even if it’s temporary like only Supernatural knows how to make a death temporary, that’s going to make a lot of people hate Mary forever). I think Cas doesn’t necessarily HAVE to know Mary or have a history with her for this to matter, and it’s almost better if they have only a few nice moments but no epic story, because it will be really interesting to see how that definition of family is tested because we KNOW he would die for and forgive Sam and Dean just about anything because we’ve seen it so many times, but Mary is a trust fall, and I mean that in a way not like, he’s gonna get dropped because that was it, right there, but like, Cas got DISOWNED for the season 6 stuff and Dean couldn’t see past Cas’s good intentions for all the betrayal, but if we’re doing things differently, and Mary truly never meant for anyone to get hurt, COULD she be forgiven as long as it was all reasoned out and Cas understands that? For example, if she fucked up this episode but only in a way that got him cursed and nearly killed without it being because she had bad intel from a shady organisation, and they knew she fucked up, would they forgive her on the spot? Probably.

Especially because Mary obviously is not evil and even almost owned up already, is at that stage where she wants to burn the BMoL down which I think is where Cas was when he was nearly at the end of his rope in 6x20, but she hasn’t caused THAT much damage, and of course the entire family has already been through so much nonsense there’s half a chance TFW will just burst out laughing in relief that Mary is as dumb as they are and stumble over each other trying to explain Crowley - Ruby - Crowley again to make her feel better (I mean, not really, but close >.> Also the BMoL are due to do something truly awful outside of torture Sam that they KNOW about because they just internalise all that crap but if someone else gets Ketched and they catch him in the act or something, well…)

Also at this point I think Mary is now the most-excluded feeling member of the family, because Cas is already getting a set of “Castiel Winchester” business cards made after this, and Mary is isolated by the lying, the lack of attachment to being alive in this time, her horrible sense of guilt towards Sam which suggests we’ve basically seen all THEIR interaction since she was alive again on screen, minus one pancake and bacon breakfast (hey I wonder WHY Yellow Eyed demons are back all of a sudden?)… So yeah, it will also be about letting HER feel like she belongs in that family.

And why wouldn’t she consider that her family appears to be these 3 guys, and Sam she can’t even talk to, Dean is great but mostly for playing Words with Friends but he’s still weird about her hunting and she’s lying to them and keeping her distance because of that, and they’re not exactly bonding as a family much better because while she was around them it was like constantly disappointing Dean with how much she wasn’t the mom he thought he had when he was 4… But the angel doesn’t know her or expect anything of her, and was really nice to her from the start, and they had some crisis management bonding which we can’t really get the benefits of as the viewers at home, but, like, probably comes under the same heading as why businesses send teams on bonding trips to, like, paintball together, to excite the monkey brain part of us that bonds over being in a high adrenaline situation; having Cas around when Sam and Dean were in prison was probably a lot more endearing to Mary than it looked to us from the outside? 

Anyway if she considers she has somehow ended up with 3 sons for the price of 2, why wouldn’t her angel-in-law be at least worth being “one of her boys” as one who she feels attached to in maybe not the same way as “these are my blood children” but “this is the one I currently secretly kinda like hanging out with the best because he doesn’t have any expectations or baggage, he’s just there helping us and loving us unconditionally” - and on that note of course she says it at the very end of the episode after hearing Cas say that, and realising he’s including her in his blanket umbrella statement of family that he loves, and so she knows he loves HER unconditionally and would die and fight for her, and that somehow or other this angel has ended up truly attached to this family, and if nothing else, that’s one hell of a standard for her to live up to and at the same time, more openly including her than Sam and Dean have seemed to do, because they take it for granted she’s their mom, but Cas is coming at this with exactly the same feeling for the exact opposite reason (”family don’t end in blood” vs “but it don’t start there either”) and has decided for some mad reason to include her??? Okay, maybe this hasn’t been tested, maybe Mary’s heart still needs to grow on ALL of them in this form or maybe she does instinctively feel that Sam and Dean are her children finally… Whatever it is, she’s trying out Cas as “one of her boys” and either fake it til you make it or she’s just THAT impressed with him but this is what she wants to treat him as right now. 

[bibliophileiz]

So Mary nearly got Cas killed but I like her anyway: A post

So I was surprised in this last episode that Mary confessed to Sam and Dean that she’s been working with the British Men of Letters. However it’s interesting that she didn’t tell them she was on a BMOL mission when she recruited them and Cas to help with Ramiel. As far as Sam and Dean still know, they were helping with a case for Wally, not their mom. Dean is mad as is, he’s going to totally lose his shit when he finds out his mom stealing for the BMOL nearly got Cas killed.

At least I hope that’s the writers’ plan. To be honest, I kind of thought Mary would keep her secret a while longer, but that Castiel would figure it out. He’s the one who caught Mary coming out of Ramiel’s basement, he’s the one that wondered what Ramiel meant by somebody stealing from him ... I just expected him to get suspicious and maybe keep it to himself for a while because he didn’t want to hurt Dean, but eventually Crowley would show up and be all, “Where the HELL is the gotdamn gun?!” (because he was looking for it at the end of last episode) and them be like “wut gun?” and Cas would be like, “Oh, I bet I know where that is.”

Anyway, I hope we still get a scene like that, where the Winchesters realize Mary was the one who initiated the Ramiel thing not Wally and that she lied to them so she could steal the Colt. And while Cas might be mildly upset that she didn’t tell the Winchesters what she was doing, Sam and Dean would freak out because, “What the hell, Mom, Cas was dying in agony, did it never occur to you to offer the Colt back in exchange for a cure?! Also we almost died because you didn’t give it back” and there would be all appropriate drama over that.

And this isn’t meant as a Mary Winchester hate post at all, I totally understand why she’s doing what she’s doing. Remember, she doesn’t know that Ketch is following the Winchesters around killing everybody they don’t kill (Magda, the soldiers at the end of the episode where Sam and Dean break out of solitary confinement). The only bad thing she’s seen BMOL do is Toni torturing Sam, and it was other BMOL guys who got them out of that one. As far as she knows, Toni really was a rogue operative. Since then, BMOL gear has helped her save people -- I already saw a post pointing out Sam did the same thing when working with Ruby, and you could argue Sam and Dean do that every time they work with Crowley and Rowena. (Does anyone else miss villain!Crowley? I miss villain!Crowley.) So I don’t think Mary realizes, for example, that the BMOL go out of their way to kill kids who are like Sam was 10 years ago or that Ketch wants to capture and do mad scientist experiments on Cas.

Plus, Mary has a slightly different take on hunting than Sam and Dean do, a philosophy more akin to Gordon Walker than Bobby Singer. (I had to check imdb for Gordon’s name, god almighty, season 2 was so long ago.) More in the vain of, “Sometimes you just gotta kill stuff,” a philosophy the show has gotten away from in the last couple of seasons, thank God. Think about how she was willing to kill Jody when Jody was possessed by a demon earlier this season until Sam stopped her -- in stark contrast to Dean saying earlier that same episode, “Nobody’s dying tonight.”

And Mary doesn’t trust the BMOL -- she nearly said so to Wally. Is she out of her depth? Absolutely, but at least she’s on her guard. So combine that with the fact that she doesn’t know just how bad they are and the fact that her hunting philosophy is more lax toward collateral damage anyway, and you can see why she’d be willing to work with BMOL. And she has motivation -- she’s come back to life to find her sons’ lives basically ruined (in her view -- and to be fair, probably in theirs too) by hunting. Remember, she spent six weeks not knowing where they were or if they were alive, then saw them nearly be killed by a damn reaper (and we know those guys don’t mess around) and the only reason they WEREN’T killed is because their best friend broke the deal, possibly calling down cosmic consequences on his own head. All this is fresh on her mind when Mick gives her his “world without monsters” speech, so you can see why she’d be like, “Sign me up.”

And this post got longer than I meant for it to, but I just think Mary’s an interesting character and I think the show is handling her return better than, honestly, a lot of objectively better shows might have. Her place in the story could so easily have been poorly handled, and I think the writers have done a great job giving her her own arc while still making her an important part of Sam and Dean’s lives.

That said, I really want a scene with Dean screaming at her for nearly getting Cas killed.

[bibliophileiz]

Thoughts on Supernatural’s latest episode

It did not suck as badly as I expected. In fact, for Bucklemming, it was downright decent. For more details:

Eileen is back! - I was kind of meh on Sam/Eileen before (partly because I heard somewhere Jared Padalecki said it wasn’t going to happen), but I am on board now. She better not die. - Honestly I am on Team Sam Marries a Hunter anyway, so. - That said, I wish she’d had more to do. Killing the demon was awesome, wish we’d seen that.

Devil Baby Mama Drama - CONFIRMATION THAT SOMEONE HAS INCORRECT INFO ON NEPHILIM! I REPEAT: CONFIRMATION THAT SOMEONE HAS INCORRECT INFO ON NEPHILIM! - (I just assume the plural of nephilim is the same as the singular) - Because Dagon says “Birthing a nephilim is fatal. Always.” which is either not true or not commonly known because “Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets” absolutely does not work otherwise. - So either the run-of-the-mill angels have it all wrong (because Cas definitely thought May was a nephilim and Lily was her mother and yet he saw Lily alive and well and didn’t think, ‘huh, shouldn’t she be dead?’) OR Dagon is lying or misinformed. - Now, Ishim had more reason to lie than Dagon does -- he’s specifically telling angels May is a nephilim to have an excuse to punish her mother, which only works if the mother’s alive. Whereas Dagon gains nothing by telling Kelly she’ll die birthing a nephilim. (If anything, the possibility of dying might be motivation to get Kelly to escape and/or get an abortion.) - BUT something about the importance the line “Always” got in this episode makes me think, ironically, that Kelly will survive, which is weird, because I wasn’t placing odds on her survival before although I kind of wanted her to live so she and Sam could have a thing. - Is it too much to hope that she will survive, that the brothers will save her, that she will move into the bunker with them for her own protection like Kevin, and that next season will feature an episode with her and Mary heading to Wichita for a girl’s weekend, leaving Sam and Dean and Cas to have hilarious babysitting adventures in the bunker? (Answer: Yes.) - Also, “always” like it’s a well-documented thing, psh. How many nephilim could there have been?? Cas acts like it’s extremely rare. - Point is, Kelly may not die. Probably wishful thinking on my part, but here’s to hoping.

Mary/Ketch - Speaking of moms that hopefully won’t die, Mary! Is Ketch falling for her? I thought he was a sociopath. Also, does the Order 66 (I’m so sorry for the Star Wars prequel reference, guys) on American Hunters apply to Mary as well? Will Ketch kill her? - I am not mad at Mary for sleeping with Ketch. Although Dean will be when if he finds out. - At first I was like, “This wasn’t even a Bucklemming thing, I called Mary and Ketch sleeping together like four episodes ago” but I guess that was another Bucklemming episode that laid that foundation. I wonder if that was something they came up with and it’s going to be a non-story going forward instead of having actual realistic emotional toll (see Cas’s fling with April and Crowley going on a bro date with Dean two episodes after Dean helped arrange his son’s suicide martyrdom).

Kendricks is only like Hogwarts if Hogwarts were in Panem  - The British Men of Letters continue to suck, and I don’t even mean in a villainous way. Like, part of the regiment at Kendricks is to have students kill each other?? - First off, what monsters. - Second off, even if you’re a sociopath, how does having students kill each other make any logistical sense? Waste of resources and manpower. - And Mick isn’t even a hitman or hunter for them like Ketch -- he’s more like their PR person. What sort of organization needs their PR person to kill people? If that’s what the communications majors have to do to graduate, then what the hell did Ketch have to do and where the fuck does Toni get off calling Ketch a psychopath if everyone in BMOL has to kill their bestie to go home for Christmas? - Just in general, BMOL seems incompetent and like it couldn’t last very long as an efficient organization.

RIP Mick Davies: - I saw it coming, but I wasn’t expecting it until either the end of the episode right before the season finale or the season finale itself. - I like the scene. It’s gripping and tragic that he dies while on a passionate defense of Sam and Dean and how they always do the right thing. - His speech reminded me of Cas telling Ishim, “It seems some of my choices may need to be questioned” when Ishim asks him why he lets Sam and Dean question his decisions. - Too bad no one who cared (read: Sam and Dean) will ever hear it or know that he died defending them. I feel like Mick will become Supernatural’s Regulus Black.

Other things - Crowley calling his demons “loyal-ish” gives me life. - So does Lucifer sneakily telling them to support him. - So does Mark Pellegrino. - So does Dean calling Dagon “Pat Benatar”. - Things that do not give me life: Cas being gone. :( - The scene where Dean woke up with his head on the table reminded me of a scene last season when Sam came downstairs to find Dean had been researching ways to save Cas all night. I thought Dean was going to say he’d fallen asleep researching where Cas could be or something. - I guess that’s a weird thing to research, but I miss Cas and so does Dean. - Also, Mick out-drank Dean, give the man a prize. - Why did no one say, “Hey, Eileen, I know you’re broken up about shooting a human, but did you notice how the guy you shot was about to kill Kelly Kline, the woman we should have been protecting this whole time??” - #saveKellyKline

Predictions: - Mary will kill Ketch, probably for trying to kill Dean. 

Possibilities: - I’ve been predicting one of the mains being saved via “Angel Grace Healing” pretty much this whole season. At first I thought the nephilim would save Cas after Ketch used some fancy angel-killing crossbow or something. (But I also thought the nephilim would be born and grow up super fast like Amara and also that the nephilim would be a girl.) - Then I predicted Lily Sunder would save newly-human Cas after reapers tried to kill him. (We’re still waiting on the cosmic consequences.) - Now I’m thinking Cas will save Dean after Ketch stabs/tortures him with that machete he has a creepy fetish for. - Cas will become human (but not necessarily by choice -- yet). - In fact, I’ve been wondering if the next time Cas becomes human it won’t be because Dean cuts out his grace. I think he would only do it if it somehow saved Cas from cosmic consequences or reapers or whatever, but because of circumstances, he wouldn’t get to talk it over with Cas first -- it would be like when he stuck Gadreel in Sam, but obviously Cas would know what happened after because he would probably notice if he woke up human. Anyway, that could cause some drama going forward, and it would give Dean something to do next season if he promised to get Cas’s grace back or something.