#and the Markus and mcfeely betrayal

[jamesbi-canonbarnes]

Ok I literally have to read a fic about Steve learning about Isaiah in the past and gd dealing with it by confronting Peggy or I will not be able to Calm Down has anyone written it? Has anyone written it???!!?

[sersi]

because one can never get enough of him, how do you feel about steve?

agghsajakahfhfhah becka 🥺💖.

He’s literally one of my favorite characters of all time, if not the all time favorite character. Steve is the character that took the MCU from something I’d seen pieces of but had no real interest in to something I actually cared about. (And something I go to conventions for, camped out for red carpets for a few times, took out of state trips for, etc.) (I just really do love the MCU a lot).

It can be difficult to explain why I love the characters I love, but, having stanned Steve for a solid eight years at this point, I think I have a fairly good understanding of why I love him and why I’ve consistently loved him even as a lot of fandom has turned on him. The biggest thing is that he is Good and, despite some bumps along the way, his story has been one of the most effectively told in the MCU. (While I don’t think that J*ss ever actually understood Steve as a character, The Avengers works, for me at least, if I just headcanon that Steve, being internally busy trying not drown in grief and PTSD, is playing along with the image and myth of Captain America that rose in his absence. AoU…. is harder to salvage but it gave me the Dance and that one Steve/Nat scene in the third act 🥺, so it’s not without it’s moments of Steve related greatness).

Steve starts out as a kid from Brooklyn who doesn’t like bullies (or, lbr, rules) and while his understanding of the world shifts and changes over time, that core drive–not liking bullies and just wanting to do what is right–doesn’t change. He sacrifices his life to save the world and then, having discovered that he didn’t actually die, does his best to make a life in an entirely unfamiliar world despite the fact that the pain of that loss never really goes away. He makes new friends, leads a team, and does his best to help protect the world even as that world increasingly reveals itself to be deeply complicated and some of the relationships he’s built since waking up start to fracture.

He’s not perfect, but he really does do his best to help people and to stay true to his moral code, even when the world might prefer he do otherwise. In TWS, he’s the one who insists that they destroy S.H.I.E.L.D. completely even though it’s the organization that has helped him try to find some level of meaning and purpose in the 21st century and the organization that Peggy spent her life building. In Civil War, he has that moment of almost signing the accords, even though he doesn’t agree with them and he (very likely given all the shit Ross pulled in The Incredible Hulk) doesn’t trust Ross, but then doesn’t because, while it would be the easier path, he can’t sign onto something that would imprison his teammates for no justifiable reason. Civil War is a controversial movie, but, for me, it just made me love Steve more because the journey Steve goes on, from leader of the Avengers to international fugitive feels natural and sort of inevitable. The myth of Captain America, built up over 70 years, has never entirely fit Steve and the betrayal Steve experienced in the Winter Soldier (and to a lesser extent the erosion of trust between him and Tony in Age of Ultron) got him to a place where, facing a choice between forced retirement and signing something he would never be able to abide by, the only real choice was to walk away from that identity.

When we see Steve again in Infinity War, he’s different but it’s a (mostly) good sort of different. He’s built a family with Sam and Natasha (and, probably, with Wanda as well), they’ve done their best to help people when and where they can, and the moment they realize there’s a big new threat to the world, they step up. Even after they’ve lost once (and Steve has lost his world for a second time 😭), he’s still fighting and trying to help the world recover. And then, after they lose a second time and think there’s no way to change what happened, Steve fights through his grief and trauma to try and help other people survive and move on from this loss. His relationship with Natasha has changed (their responses to this trauma are clearly very different), but he’s still doing his best to look out for her and help her, even while knowing that it’s probably futile. (Neither one of them is doing a particularly amazing job of moving on!!)

Steve is a deeply contained character–he doesn’t verbalize his emotions very often and he will put everyone else’s well being before his own a lot of the time–but he’s so much more than just an uncompromising soldier. His moral code is a huge part of his character, but he’s also kind and smart and tremendously loyal to the people he cares about. In Endgame, he goes back to the past, but in the kindest way possible. He does it only after he’s told Bucky what he’s going to do and only after he’s ensured that the stones are all back in their proper places. He comes back for Sam, both to give him the shield and, I think, to ensure that Sam won’t have to experience the trauma of not knowing and being left behind. Old Steve is different and has a lived a life Sam doesn’t know about (yet), but he’s still Steve and he’s still going to do what he thinks is right and ensure that the world has a Captain America to take care of it.

So, tl;dr, I love Steve, I love his story, and I love how it was told over the course of the Markus and McFeely Cinematic Universe (guest staring the Steve is out of character because Trauma reading of The Avengers and select bits of Age of Ultron) 🤷🏽‍♀️😝!!!

[bridgertonlife]

I was so NAIVE... (Endgame)

They just fucking did it. I’m just a fool. I’ve been having hope, against all odds, for an entire year. True, unadulterated HOPE. Not that kind of sweet talk with oneself someone gets into while bracing for the worst. NO. I had hope. Hope for a happy ending for Tony and Pepper, my most beloved fictional characters EVER. I really thought they would get their most deserved Happily Ever After. 

Why? I think it was because the alternative, a world without my safe heaven, sacared me too much, and my subconscious was literally trying to protect me.

PEPPER & TONY They were my safe heaven, after a bad day or when I felt depressed or anxious I could go to the “Iron Man” movies or the “Avengers” movies and rewatch them. I spent a lot of nights up and even full weekends writting fluffy and sometimes smutty fanfiction for them, in English and Spanish. I wouldn’t get outside with family or friends, I’ll chose to remain in my room, in front of my laptop and I’ll write thousands of words, only for the sake of having fun. Let me tell you, it was worth it, it was amazing, I enjoyed it inmensely, loved to write about them, get inmersed into their world, which I loved so much. For the most part of 11 years they were my happy place. The fantasy garden I could feel safe and happy in. My own personal beacon of hope, if they could go in life sorting their big problems, then so would I. 

Let me say that I’ll be forever thankful to Jon Favreau, Robert Downey Jr and Gwyneth Paltrow, for giving me this, for creating them. For giving them life. Wouldn’t have thought of more kind humans and better artists to achieve this level of humanity.

We were so lucky. Truly.

This tumbrl exists because of them too, I ended up here looking for gifs of my babies around the time I saw “Iron Man 2″ back in May of 2010. 

You read it right. I wouldn’t even be here if it wasn’t for Tony Stark and Pepper Potts and the “Iron Man” movies. I will love them forever, because they changed my life, for the better. Once I was here, I realized there’s a lot of people like me in the real world, outside, people that love fictional characters like they are their own friends and family. People that get emotionally attached. That care so much, it HURTS. 

For a long time in my life, I thought I was alone in the world. I had friends but you know, for some people or the vast majority of people, movies are only movies. Entertainment is only entertainment. That’s all. But not for us. NOT FOR US. I believe we really are special. 

What I don’t even know anymore is if the people behind this so called “products” really believe their own words when they say “they love the fans” or “they make it for the fans” Really? It’s hard to tell, as they openly lie to us in order to sell movie tickets or literally crush our hearts deliberately. And with the pretext of “protecting the viewer experience” ask from us to not spoil the movie. Yeah, don’t spoil it, in case some of you, puppets, gets ahead and chooses not to see the garbage we’ve been cooking for 3 years. Only for the sake to be edgy, surprising, subverting expectatives and make a name for ourselves in the industry. They think they are so cool, right? Joe? Anthony? ¬¬

I really miss the simple times of my infancy and my teen years, when blockbuster movies sagas ALWAYS ended in a high note, full of hope and brilliant futures. HAPPY ENDINGS were the rule and maybe even, guaranteed. But not anymore.

I miss it. I miss the original Star Wars trilogy, Indiana Jones... More than ever. 

Life is sad enough, cruel enough, awful enough. And they just robbed us of our happines, of our belief in that you can have a happy ending if you work for it.

Now, there’s nothing into the other side. Only tears. It doesn’t even matter how hard you fought for your happines. You can’t get it. Because you need to sacrifice for the universe.

 At the end of the day they only want our money (producers, execs...) I know this is the new rule of corporate bussiness nowadays but couldn’t they at least fulfill the dreams we are paying them for? Not even that anymore. We are mere idiots filling their pockets with cash at this point. They can deliver whatever shit they want to, because they KNOW we’ll be paying for it. In advance. Without proof that what they are offering is, indeed, what we wanted. 

Truly terrifying if you ask me.

But back to you, MCU FANS, passionated people, because you really matter. You really make the difference for a better world. I LOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU. 

You are truly special.

We, let me tell you something about the #PepperonyFandom, the irreductible, brave, fighter, amazing, kind, awesome, loyal, #PepperonyFandom. Do any of you remember when during the “Civil War” promotional tour we spamed FB, Twitter and every social media channel of the Russo bros with the #PepperonyForever hastag? And how that ended being the Wakanda war cry on “Black Panther”? They took that idea from US. They stole it, from US. And we made oursleves be heard. It was just for a momment in the grand excheme of things, but it is now history of cinema.

Just always remember how amazing and powerful you are. You guys are SO, so amazing. Every single one of you who I had the pleasure to meet here on tumbrl or in twiter or in Facebook... In every social media. Giffers, Artists, Writers... All my beloved creators, you put all your heart and soul in truly awesome pieces of art made just for pure fun or for fulfilling your friend’s heart’s desires. You work so hard whithout even getting paid. You gifted me so many hours of pure, unadulterated joy, and in most cases, you even gave me your unconditional friendship too. I love you all so much. 

YOU ARE LOVED, TREASURED AND VALUED. I know that you, special people, need to hear this right now, I know guys. I understand and feel your devastating pain, your sorrow, your disappointment. I’m honored of having being part of this fandom for 11 years. I love you all.

But I’m sad to say, I will no longer be a rabbid MCU fan. I won’t be their puppet anymore. I’m breaking ties with Marvel Studios and Disney. I can’t forgive what they did to us. This ultimate betrayal. And after all, I was never really interested in what’s to come afterwards, anyway.

Now that we have been forcefully robbed of our special safe heaven, I need to tell you all that I’m broken inside. My heart is in pieces.

I don’t know if in the future I will be able to write fanfiction again, or enjoy being here or simply hang out with you all in the Pepperony tag, you know? I really don’t want Marvel to take this away from me too, but I feel so emotionally destroyed right now. I just don’t even know anymore.

I knew I shouldn’t trust them with my babies. Joe Russo, Anthony Russo, Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely they never cared about them. Captain America was always their favourite character, so in the end, they gave him the happily ever after ending with Peggy Carter, which should have been Pepper and Tony’s. They got their subverted expectations and their shock value ending and all that. Hope they are proud of themselves.

But no one will ever convince me that they loved the Pepper and Tony fans. They didn’t.

The last memory of Tony Stark and Pepper Potts that I will EVER have, will remain ingrained in my head forever while I’m alive, and it’s gonna tarnish all their history, all the good momments, all the good movies, all of the best things the MCU brought to my life. FOREVER.

And honestly, it’s gonna be awful to keep living with that. 

I feel so sad, angry, betrayed and disappointed. If you ask me about my emotional investmen in the MCU though 11 years and 22 movies? 

It wasn’t worth it, and sure as hell, “Avengers: Endgame”  didn’t pay off. 

At all.

[brucenat]

Where do we go from here?

What happens to the MCU after Endgame?

Does Marvel think there’s still one linear cinematic universe? Because they’re wrong. There’s at least two/three other cinematic universes now. And I would argue that there are many more that’s meta for another time.

Personally, I’m basically divorcing from the mainstream MCU that Marvel will be following because it makes so little sense after Endgame and Infinity War. It saddens me to do so, because some great POC, woman-empowering, queer-friendly, more inclusive content is coming. What sucks is that it’s going to be built on the out-of-character, unscientific, downright nonsensical, subtextually white patriarchal decisions brought to fruition in Infinity War and Endgame.

Honestly, I could “suck it up” and just watch future Marvel movies and leave Infinity War and Endgame as a bitter taste in my mouth, but that would feel like a betrayal to myself and what originally drew me to the MCU. It would feel like condoning the bullshit that the Russo brothers, Markus, McFeely, and the executives who green-lit the script perpetuated. As a creator focused on overthrowing and subverting patriarchal, heteronormative, neurotypical, white-inundated canons, it wouldn’t be true to myself to continue to financially contribute to Marvel (even though my contributions are in no way significant on a grand scale--Marvel will continue to rake in millions, but they can and will do so without me).

So, what does this mean for this blog and fanfiction I write?

Simply, nothing is going to be mainstream MCU-compliant anymore. I refrain from saying canon divergent, because, as I stated before, there is more than one universe within the cinematic realm now (making it the Marvel Cinematic Multiuniverse, technically). Thus, my fics will follow canon, but not the same thread of time that the mainstream movies will follow.

People are free to disagree with this. Some will dislike this tremendously, and that’s okay. The reason I say this is to keep communication open, to keep people informed (because I do value your reactions and input), and perhaps start a conversation or new train of thought for some. For others, this will just be some stranger blathering for far too long in her little nook on the internet, and that’s alright. I just wanted people to know. :)

[fromriches-tosin]

Dear people of Tumblr

In the light of recent events I decided to rant a little bit more – I understand the anger, the feeling of betrayal and I’m amazed by how big and devoted the Tom/Loki fandom is. I really enjoy reading your statements and I reblog many of them for discussion purposes, but please – let’s agree to not overstep the boundaries. That being said, I still live in the united states of denial and believe that we don’t really have anything to worry about. That is why I ask you: please take a few deep breaths and relax. Don’t be nasty to the Russos or other Marvel guys on Twitter, but question them. Questions are always welcome. If Loki’s fate is sealed, I’m sure they will be willing to reply.

I’ve wrote a couple of harsh words on the topic of Loki’s demise right after I left the cinema and when I calmed down, I wrote some posts devoted to the analysis of his scene and, most importantly, his words. Right now I would like to analyze what the Marvel guys said or showed us so far regarding our trickster.

My topic sentence for this essay is: I believe that the Russo brothers, Stephen McFeely and Christopher Markus are not stupid.

These guys brought us The Winter Soldier – probably the smartest Marvel movie so far. They always paid great attention to details, they didn’t leave almost anything to chance. McFeely and Markus worked on Thor: The Dark World. We all remember Loki’s death scene and how it had to be re-written because nobody believed that Loki died for real. Now, the infamous Infinity War scene is preeetty much the same. I won’t be really going into details on why it doesn’t work and why, again, almost nobody believes it’s true. If you want to read my thoughts on this topic, you can go here, here and here.

Now, let me just write a short scenario to show you that it is in fact pretty much possible to produce a believable “Loki death” and that both the Russos and the screenwriters are aware of that:

After the Hulk is defeated and Thanos obtains the space stone, Thor and Loki attack him together. Members of the Black Order don’t interfere. They don’t have to. Thor can’t use his full power because he is still heavily drained after Hela and there are some civilians left on the ship. He gets beaten pretty easily. Now, Loki. He still has some stamina left and he uses it to conjure as many illusions of himself as possible. But Thanos is not stupid. He knows Loki and he knows his tricks. He destroys the illusions, one after another, as if they are nothing. He grabs the last Loki by the throat and lifts him up in the air. Loki struggles, but Thanos squeezes harder and… puff! Another illusion disappears. Thanos looks around, angrier and angrier with every passing second. Thor laughs out loud. ‘That’s my trickster brother’, he mutters. But – again – Thanos is not stupid. He notices something, a slight tremor in the darkness, and uses the space stone to stop it. The concealment spell falls and the real Loki is revealed, frozen in place. He looks at Thor for the last time. ‘I’m sorry brother –’, he says before his body explodes from the force of the power stone.

Now, this is pretty graphic. But, that’s how Loki dies in the comics (it’s not the power stone or Thanos that kills him though). Only after his original body is utterly and irrevocably destroyed, he is reborn as a young boy. It doesn’t get lost in space, it doesn’t just disappear… Now, did anyone actually see Loki’s body floating in space after the ship exploded? I don’t think so. (It also didn’t get destroyed because there are many bodies around Thor.)

Going back to my little fanfiction and what happened before: we still get the point that Loki loves Thor above everything else – he gives up the Tesseract for his life. We still know that he has come to terms with his true nature – he says “I’m not Asgardian”. We still know that he wants to trick and betray Thanos – we have the surprise Hulk attack. There is absolutely no need for his very repetitive monologue full of cryptic messages – preceded by a very suspicious absence. What is more, looking at my scenario we can be 95% sure he is a goner.

The scenario I described is a really simple one. It is also based on the comics. I’m more than sure that the screenwriters came up with it as well. I achieved all the same points they did and yet I made Loki’s demise more believable. If they truly wanted to kill him… don’t you think they would do it like that? If they truly wanted us to be 100% sure that Loki is not coming back, would they allow him to talk about the sun shining on him and his brother again? Wouldn’t they just have him say “I swear to you my undying loyalty” which is pretty straightforward, instead of “undying fidelity” which basically means “undying copy”? Loki might not be the God of Daggers, but he is the God of Words and Doppelgängers. They would not, I repeat, THEY WOULD NOT put such words in his mouth if they didn’t want us to get the hidden message.

Why would they make it any harder for themselves if they really wanted to be rid of him?

They knew we are going to question everything. Why give us more arguments?

Loki’s absence during the fight sequence is not without meaning. Maybe we will get a deleted scene explaining what happened or maybe we will have to wait until the next movie comes out. Maybe Loki had a surprise visit from time-travelling Doctor Strange who encouraged him to sacrifice himself for greater good. Maybe. Or maybe, as he tried to explain, he was not the one who got choked to death.

Now, the fun part begins:

Half of the viewers believe that Loki survived. If his reappearance is supposed to be one of the surprises promised for Avengers 4, the directors have to cast a shadow of doubt on what we established before. They cannot just lie to us. That would be very unprofessional. But, they can misdirect. They can… cause some mischief by giving us vague information.

Remember Age of Ultron? It was said that “(...) an important member of the Avengers is going to die in this movie”. I’m not trying to diss Quicksilver here, but he was a member of the Avengers for like... five minutes before he got killed? 

Going back to Loki:

“No resurrections this time” – well, no need to resurrect someone who isn’t dead, right? Thanos is not lying, the Russos are not lying… They are misdirecting. Why do they have to make two characters remind us that this is the end of Loki? First Thanos, then Thor… When will the pope chip in? They could show it instead of explaining it. They could make his death work. But no, they intentionally chose a different path.

The interviews – they are pretty much beating around the bush, aren’t they? I’m really waiting for the day when they say/write: “Okay, guys. No more games. Loki is dead. For real.” Again, pretty simple thing to do, right? Yet they don’t do that. Because that’s lying. They can mislead, they can twist some things, but there are borders they cannot cross. Just like Loki, the Russos and the screenwriters are pretty much very cautious when it comes to talking.

“So you have to imagine it's emotional as they go through scenes that either represent, as I said, some sort of a curtain dropping, or just scenes that allow them to reflect on how far they've come, so there are a lot of days like that, that were emotional. And for Tom in particular, yeah, there was some. Some days were more emotional than others” – sure, it was emotional. But is the death confirmed? Is it described as permanent? Nope. Also, please notice the “some days” part.

Now, the infamous podcast:

“no resurrections” again

it was really important to deliver that line

this is it (yeah, no resurrections, okay)

how distressing it was for Tom (Why do they keep bringing that up? Because they think that Tom’s distress makes it final for us. I mean, it’s pretty fucking sad, but final? Nah…)

something about everyone getting old and not being able to play the same character forever – they know that’s a weak-ass argument. This is not serious. Don’t take it seriously. No serious writer or director would off a character just because the actor is getting old. It doesn’t hold. If that was their real reason, they would NEVER admit that. Because that would mean they are unable to deal with the issue which… would make them look very unprofessional in return. And they are fucking professionals. Sure, Tom is getting old, as is the rest of the cast, but for at least the next few years it surely won’t be an issue some make-up cannot fix.

a new direction – it doesn’t necessarily mean that old characters must die. Some will, sure, but some will retire. As far as Loki is concerned it’s extremely easy. He and Thor have to find a new home for their people. They can go back to space. They don’t have to stay in Norway. Loki is still one of the most popular characters in the whole MCU and they can bring him back for cameos. PEOPLE LOVE CAMEOS. He can pop up in a Doctor Strange movie. He may appear in the Guardians of the Galaxy. Or he may stay on the new Asgard, “managing” it while Thor goes on some new adventures/to do his own cameos/whatever.

Thor’s man pain motivation – yeah, that’s an easy one. He just needs to believe that Loki is dead.

Summing up, nothing they say makes me believe that Loki’s arc is done for good. Okay, maybe he is dead (which I don’t believe), but his death won’t be without meaning. What he did equals committing a suicide and he had to have a good reason for it (Doctor Strange, anyone?). However, I’m more inclining towards the fidelity theory, a.k.a. my doppelganger died in my place.

Way too many people described Loki’s behavior as weird.

Way too many people noticed the inconsistencies in his scene.

Way too many people doubt this death.

Way too many people have exactly the same arguments.

Is this just denial? Could be, but I talked to some antis and they agree with me. So you don’t really have to like Loki to realize that there is something fishy going on here. And the Russos know that.

Don’t let some word games bring you down.

Until they say – in these exact words – “Loki is dead” – he is not.

I rest my case.

[falllpoutboy]

TONYNAT PART 2 N O W!!! Expand on those thoughts! 😂 (Bonus points if you give me post civil war angst!)

ok so natasha and tony carpooling to the berlin joint counter terrorist center just like “get in loser, we’re arresting steve” and they take sharon w them because they are all staying at the same hotel and tony and sharon are totally cousins this is canon bye 

“please tell me you bought a suit” “sure did. its a lovely tom ford, two piece, three button-” because of course he doesn’t have a fully functional suit the one time a Winter Soldier is on a rampage, one of his many suits are nowhere to be found. 

ross gives them the unsuitable and untimely 36 hour ultimatum of bringing in steve, sam and james or else they will be shot on sight and she can see it weighs heavily on him and he sees it on her face too. “you alright?” shes asks him (even though she knows hes not) because when was the last time someones asked tony that? hes got darker circles under his eyes and hasn’t mentioned pepper once she hasn’t seen him this vulnerable since right before his last would be birthday party. tony appreciates her hand on his shoulder and her concern because hes been trying not to let on how much this has all been affecting him but nat as usual sees past his mask and doesn’t judge him for it. 

she recruits t’challa and he recruits a 15 year old kid to aid in the arrest and shes shocked at first but then this so called “Spider-Man” shows her a video of him stopping a speeding car in the middle of traffic and her worries quickly die down.

nat listens in on the initial argument between tony and steve and she knows steve well enough to know that he’s not gonna go down easily so after she comes to after having being knocked out by wanda, she gets to the hangar before anyone and waits by the quinjet to let them through.

it’s a blur afterwards, with tony getting rhodey on the ambulance to the hospital, vision arresting the opposing team to the german police and natasha takes it upon herself to deliver spider-man to happy, who was waiting outside of the airport, bc the kid was too young to be involved in this anyways. temporarily evading t’challa and ross, she changes and prepares herself to check up on tony and rhodey.

tony can barely wrap his head around it all. rhodey’s paralization put him on a one track mindset but when he sees natasha standing there, he’s instantly reminded of her betrayal but manages to hold it together to tell her about rhodey’s diagnosis. 

“steve’s not gonna stop. if you don’t stop either, rhodey’s gonna be the best case scenario.”

tony instantly retorts back with the fact that she let them go but natasha insists that they played this wrong.

he starts to let his anger and feeling of helplessness over the situation embitter and before he can stop himself he accuses her of being a double agent. (he instantly regrets those words coming from his mouth but he refuses to show weakness to someone who’s betrayed him)

natasha registers his words and fine, if he’s gonna hit her where it hurts, she can do just the same. “are you incapable of letting go of your ego for one goddamn second?” (in the back of her mind, she knows it’s not fair to fling the one thing tony is constantly mistaken for in his face but she just didn’t think it would matter to him in the moment)

letting her words sink in, tony knows the damage has been done and they don’t have the time to even try to salvage what they had going on because she should be trying to get a move on now. warning her about them coming for her is like a half-assed olive branch at this point.

“i’m not the one that needs to watch their back” natasha says whilst getting one last good look on his face before the hurt undoubtedly sets in and then turning away, away from his stare of broken promises and a potential future of fixing anything that had transpired. 

(two months later, nat, steve and sam are holed away in a motel in barcelona and when sam spots tony and pepper on bbc, having just announced their engagement to the world, she’s glad he was able to get his life back on track and wonders if she can sneak her way into the wedding, if only to see him happy one more time.)

i absolutely hated how the russo bros and markus and mcfeely handled their confrontation scene. what the fuck does tony’s ego have anything to do with natasha making the decision in letting them go. we could have had natasha go through actual character growth, but nah they only utilize her to be a plot device. 

[harrrisme]

There is two posibility why they need to make Tony Stark suffering with all those daddy's issue, bad images in the eyes of the public, PTDS, his failures, a lot of betrayals, ruined personal life, and mistrust from every side.

So when he, somehow, can get a hold to the infinity gauntlet, he can reflecting on those experiences, and then use the gauntlet wisely (just like in the comic).

Or he can fucked up more and being hated more than before, which it likely to happen, considering how Stephen Mcfeely and Christopher Markus thought about Wanda.

[tangodancer91]

I also wouldn't worry about Infinity War. Like I said I think Civil War is ultimately more sympathetic to Tony (I think the Russos even said they saw Tony's side as the right one). Steve is the protagonist of the movie, yes, but that doesn't make him the "right" one. The way that movie plays, the Russos, Markus and McFeely would have to be insane to make Tony the one who asks for forgiveness first. The story is explicitly about how Steve is the one who fucked up.

I sincerely hope you’re right. But I don’t dare hope for an actual apology from the Betrayers either, and while Tony might not ask for forgiveness, I don’t want him to act like everything’s forgiven and forgotten either. It can’t be. 

I guess we’ll see when the movie comes out.