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This might sound weird but would you say that simply not wanting to exercise it get in shape because it doesn't make you feel good is valid for a very big girl like me (like around 450lbs)?
I've honestly found that my body feels best when I limit how much I move throughout the day. Some may say that the limitations I have on my mobility are a bad thing but honestly as I've put on weight over the past decade but especially since COVID, I haven't really noticed them that much, I've found ways of adapting to my bodies needs such as having a rolling stool so I don't have to stand or walk to do most housework. Despite all that however, I've tried exercising to at least get my mobility up a little and though it did improve some it always came at the cost of making me feel stressed about continuing to exercise and the constant soreness
I guess I'm just a bit lost, I'm honestly ok with my body currently but I just feel a constant pressure from society and even my own family that it's not ok.
Thank you so much for this ask. I want to say upfront that I'm not a doctor, so please don't take what I say as gospel. I can and do make mistakes. However, I have done a lot of research about these kinds of things, so I'll try my best to formulate a response that I hope will bring you clarity.
"Not wanting to exercise to get in shape" is not a moral failing. Getting into shape or becoming thinner is not something you owe anyone. If you want to make healthy choices (many of which will very likely not make you thinner, because health is a nuanced concept that people don’t fully understand), that's completely up to you.
What many people don't know, is the majority of cardiovascular health benefits cap out at twenty minutes of exercise per day. These minutes simply need to raise your heart rate, and they don't even need to be consecutive.
THAT BEING SAID, if exercise still hurts or makes you very uncomfortable, that means there is a detriment to exercise as well. Is it worth getting daily exercise if it means enduring pain or sensory issues every day? It will depend on the person.
When it comes down to it, intentional weight loss is generally much more harmful to your health than just trying to treat your body well without changing its shape. Getting thinner will be much more detrimental in the long term than letting your body be large in the first place. (See the @bigfatscience blog for more of the medical and scientific side of this.)
When I felt pressured to lose weight, I hated exercise of any kind. It was like torture. At least for me, until I stopped treating exercise as an "I have to," I never wanted to do it. I would say, using similar principles as intuitive eating, don't feel forced to exercise or change your body shape, especially if for the most part, you're okay or happy with your body. If you heal your relationship with exercise down the road and change your mind, great. If you don’t, great. Exercise should not be used as a self-torture method for heavier people.
Your body deserves the same love and respect as any thin or "in-shape" body. Making accommodations for oneself is something I will always be happy to hear someone do. And no, you didn’t “let yourself go” because you decided it wasn’t worth being in pain. Please ignore the societal pressures. You should never ever feel like you have to change because strangers don't like something about you, especially since it isn't hurting them. And if your family is pressuring you? Ignore their pressures tenfold. I became atypically anorexic because my mom wanted a thin daughter. If you don't feel like it will make you happy, there is absolutely no reason you should feel like you have to do it.
TLDR: Ignore anyone who thinks they should be allowed to judge or pressure you, do what makes you feel safe and comfortable and happy, and know that you don't exist on this planet to feel unsatisfied with your body until you leave it.
Thank you so much for the ask. I hope you find more peace and safety in your body as it is. You deserve to feel happy without changing first. <3
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Am I the only one who feels that Vaggie has this whole 'It's bad when you do it, but it's perfectly fine whenever I do it' kind of attitude.
Like, throughout the show, there have moments where she has been displeased over something one of the characters does, but when she does the exact same thing or something similar to what that one character has done, no one, not even the narrative, bats an eye or calls her out for this.
Like, for example, she doesn't want Alastor to do anything bad to the guests, and yet she does this on a day to say basic.
Or when in Episode 3, she didn't want Pentious using weapons in the hotel, and yet, she still has this angelic spear around from her exorcist days and still uses it to threaten the same sinners she had once slaughtered.
Another example related to Episode 3, would be how she was perfectly fine with dragged the Hazbin gang into a turf war, despite not liking how Angel was in one during the pilot.
Also, speaking of that, I just want to point out how much of a massive plot hole that turf war sub-plot was, because even if Angel hasn't participated in it, the fault would still be on Charlie and Vaggie for failing to prepare an actually convincing presentation, thus making themselves to blame for being shown as fools. Plus not only that, but because of these plot holes, the writing only allows Charlie to fail and only fail, as well as attract attention to Alastor, who has his own nefarious plans in mind. I mean, back in 2020, there have been Tumblr posts done by someone who works as a marketing copywriter who have pointed out these plot holes, here are the links to them (Yes, I acknowledge that they're reposts, but they include more detailed info that was added onto the original conversations) Link 1: www.tumblr.com/awarmbowlofhome... Link 2: www.tumblr.com/awarmbowlofhome...
Plus, while on topic about the pilot, I also want to say that there's this Tumblr post that calls out how poorly Vaggie and Charlie handled the situation in the limo scene, as well as re-contextualizes Angel's actions in the pilot, along with the 'Addict' music video and the 'Dirty Healings' prequel comic, it kinda makes that scene from the pilot hard to rewatch it after reading the analysis, here's the link to that analysis Link 3: www.tumblr.com/unknowconcretef...
Anyways, that's enough of my rambling
It all makes Vaggie look like a big hypocrite in the process and that she doesn't care for them until the plot calls for it.
And you are right about Episode 3, I've noticed how when it comes setting up exercises for their clients to learn a lesson, they don't have shit planned at all. And considering what they are (Charlie being Hellborn and Vaggie an Exorcist Angel), it feels like they don't have a clue as to what even makes a good person in the first place.
Which is KIND OF bad for your show hinging on the theme of redemption and changing for the better.
And the fact that they don't even try to understand Angel Dust and his conflict, it makes them look incompetent and not the right people to run the hotel.
And I'm not saying they should know EVERYTHING or already be certified experts, but to at least have SOME basic understanding on where to go.
#hazbin hotel critical#anti hazbin hotel#vivziepop critical#anti vivzipop#anti vivziepop#anti spindlehorse#spindlehorse critical
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absolutely. there's no harm in ass stretching for back pain!! it helps whether you do it just when it's achy or you do it regularly!! any amount helps!!
(UNLESS YOUR DOCTOR HAS GIVEN YOU EXPLICIT INSTRUCTION NOT TO OR YOU ARE HYPER FLEXIBLE. DO **NOT** BEAN SOUP THIS POST--)
the first thing to recognize about back pain is the thing that most people in the middle of an anatomy art course also recognize:
the back is an intricately woven mess of muscle groups and it is ALL. CONNECTED. together.
the reason ass stretching works for back pain is because the ass is connected to your lower back which is connected to your upper back which is connected to your neck and shoulders... so don't be surprised if stretching your ass also reveals other things that ache and ask you to stretch them!!
I'm gonna explain a bunch of stretches and exercises that do essentially the same thing at different needs levels. try them out and see which one fits you best!
DIFFICULTY ONE
you will need: A chair that is tall enough to keep your legs at a right angle but not so tall your legs dangle like shrimps, a towel (optional)
start by keeping your spine straight up and your shoulders relaxed.
either by your own willpower or by using a towel, lift one foot onto your other knee. keep your toes pointed out!
DIFFICULTY SUBTYPE 1: If your knee isn't flat/at the same level as your foot and is instead pointing up like a chicken wing, push it down until it does so, or until you feel your muscle stretch. If you feel the stretch here then this is your stretch! If not, then continue to step 4.
DIFFICULTY SUBTYPE 2: Keeping your back straight and your leggy flat, lean forward until you feel.... something in your leg/ass stretch. (it's called your illiotibial band and it's a part of your ass.) (also back pain can be leg pain.) (I KNOW. I'M SORRY. IT'S ALL ASS.)
repeat for the other leg!
DIFFICULTY TWO
you will need: A wall or something to help you stand upright on one foot
start by finding said wall, brace yourself, then lift up one leg until your leg sticks straight out, like you can fit a square box upright under your leg perfectly.
Keeping your foot flat, swing your foot side to side. You should feel a gentle stretch in your hips. (your hips are also a part of your ass.)
keep swinging for a minute or so, continuing to increase how far your foot swings and increasing your range of motion.
repeat for the other leg!
DIFFICULTY THREE
you will need: enough space on the ground for you to lay down on. you can use your bed too but the floor is therapeutic
lay down with your back flat on the ground. imagine your back is GLUED there, it should not move off the ground
drag one knee up. without moving your shoulders off the ground, tilt your hips to the side to bring the bent knee over your other leg until you feel a stretch in your back/ass/leg/hip
AAAHHGGHHGHHHH
repeat for the other leg!
DIFFICULTY FOUR
you will need: some kind of rail or countertop/sink that is hand-height. ish.
hold onto the rail/countertop/sink.
hook your ankle over your other knee.
keeping your arms and back straight, lower your body back/out/down.
"that's confusing!" I'm sorry I don't know how to explain this one. essentially do it in the way that stretches the whole shebang. this one does EVERYTHING. legs. hips. ass. back. upper back. shoulders. arms.
if you tilt your head down it'll even stretch a bit of your neck. after you start appreciating stretching this feels fucking orgasmic dude trust me
repeat for the other leg!
one thing you may notice about these stretches is that I have not included a time.
that's because the appropriate amount of time to do a stretch is "until your muscle stops freaking out that it's being stretched and chills the fuck out". while you're stretching, notice the way your muscle feels. you should feel a slight tensing, then relaxing sensation. much like popcorn popping in a microwave, there will be a lot of it first, and then the tensing will slow to a stop. that's good!! when the muscle is fully stretched, you're done!
another thing I like to do to keep myself stretching is to make stretching feel like a treat, not a chore. put on a nice candle, start some relaxing music, whatever you want. whatever gets you to pavlov yourself into liking taking care of yourself.
if you're having difficulty with any of these stretches, try doing them after a hot shower. the heat will help loosen your muscles and prevent you from injuring yourself while stretching.
happy stretching time!!
(this post will eventually be updated with diagrams for visual learners but ohh m ygod give me a minute I gotta.... I just worked ten days in a row dude I gotta pass out)
single-handedly saving the lives of my retail coworkers by teaching them all how to stretch their fucking ass. "ohh my back hurts woe to getting old!!" no babe it's your ass. your ass is tight as hell. not in a good way. yeah do these exercises with me. YEAH FEELS BETTER DOESN'T IT. not good. but better. yeah it turns out it was your ass.
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wish I had money to see a nutritionist or someone who has information about food
#i wish i knew like#how to eat healthy#and obviously fruit and veggies yeah i love them#but in a way that is specific to me and my body type#and which kind of exercises I should be doing#and for how long#and how much of everything I should be eating#I wish someone could just sit me down and tell me like#these are things that would be good for you#to have for breakfast#and these for lunch. and this for dinner. and these are some reasonable and achievable exercise goals and routines for you#I'm trying to google it but it's really hard to understand#i think?? i should be trying to get more protein? and definitely iron#so i guess? that means food like spinach and chicken and egg#and then if it's lots of protein would i be better off investing in weight training vs cardio?#mine#food mention#exercise mention
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hope you feel better soon!
I am riddled with ailments, but I stay silly!
#ask#non mdzs#My health journey has been: Hernia -> acid reflux -> Vocal pain due to aforementioned reflux -> chest infection.#I'm terrified to know what's about to hit me next. Please let it be something kind. PLEASE.#The consequence of living with linguists is that you'll wake up with a wacked up voice -#suddenly you're sitting you down in front of a program called something like Praat having your shimmer and jitter levels calibrated.#They gave me a GRBAS of 33012. I have a fun thing called a pitch break where a whole octave just does not exist.#My vocal pain was bad enough I ended up seeing a speech pathologist and that whole experience was super neat!#I learnt a lot about voice - to be honest I might make a little comic on it after some more research. Fascinating stuff.#For example; your mental perception of our voice modulates the muscles of the vocal folds and larynx.#meaning that when you do have changes (inflammation = more mass = lower frequency)#your brain automatically attempts to correct it to what it 'should sound like'. Leading to a lot more vocal strain and damage!#And it gets really interesting for trans voice care as well - because the mental perception of one's voice isn't based on an existing sampl#So a good chunk of trans voice training is also done with the idea of finding one's voice and retraining the brain to accept it. Neat!#Parkinsonial Voice also has this perception to musculature link! The perception is that they are talking at a loud/normal volume#but the actual voice is quite breathy and weak. So vocal training works on practicing putting more effort into the voice#and retraining the brain to accept the 'loud' voice as 'normal'.#Isn't the human body fascinating?#Anyhow; Now I have vocal exercises and strategies to reduce strain and promote healing.#Which is a lot better than my previous strategy of yelling AAAH in my car until my 'voice smoothed out'.#You can imagine the horror on the speech path's face. I am an informed creature now.#I'm my own little lab rat now. I love learning and researching. Welcome to my tag lab. Class is dismissed.#I'll be back later with a few more answered asks </3 despite everything I'm still going to work and I need the extra sleep.#Thank you for the well wishes! And if you read all of that info dump; thank you for that as well!
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Museum sketches
#the girls im with are 90% art students so they take sketchbooks and draw every time we went to see some art#and j thought huh. i should try to it looks fun and a good exercise#especially since i dont draw from life a lot. clown anime kids obsession instead smh#anyway i didnt do any last time bc i didnt bring my sketchbook which is a shame </3 so heres some from today#i skipped one bc it could look kind of weird without seeing the aculpture 😭😭#anyeay yeah! something different this time#kerizart#sketch
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I ought to be well accustomed by now to the fact that I live in backwards-land when it comes to most physical/health things, but it still confuses the heck out of me that eating food saps my energy so drastically.
Today was a classic example: I woke up in the morning full of energy, peppy and motivated. I was dancing around the house, getting a ridiculous amount of chores done, listening to music, having a great time...
...and then I had breakfast. Now, it doesn't really matter what the food in question is - my usual breakfast is either oats with a bunch of toppings (seeds, nuts, fruit, yogurt) or else eggs and toast - and today it happened to be a piece of pita bread with homemade guacamole (avocado, tomatoes, nooch, spices, lime juice) plus a protein shake.
And I have felt like a ZOMBIE since then. Exhausted, limbs heavy as lead, and I spent all the rest of the day on the sofa because I couldn't muster up the energy to walk from one room to another.
This happens so consistently. Whyyyy?! Why does my body hate food :(
#i took my meds. i took my supplements. i got a decent amount of exercise yesterday#so wtf is wrong with my body -_-#the days where i don't eat anything until like 2 or 3 pm are usually the days where i have the most energy in the mornings#running errands; exercising; doing chores; etc.#but i keep hearing from every angle that it's really important for your health to eat breakfast#so like... okay :(#and i love breakfast. but why doesn't it love me?#ugh#food#and out of consideration for others i should probably also tag this:#disordered eating cw#but like... if i follow my instincts it really doesn't feel disordered?#even though i know that i eat only two small meals a day and am 90% vegan#so it's extremely likely that i'm not getting all the nutrients i need#which is why i've been trying to force myself to eat breakfast like a normal person lately#but if it makes me this exhausted and dysfunctional it can't be good right?#i know i should probably just go to a nutritionist#but i really don't want them to tell me 'oh just eat three meals of diverse food per day and you'll be fine :)'#because i absolutely refuse to keep eating after i'm full. that's a really strong boundary for me#and people have shamed and pressured me all my life for eating as little as i do#to the point where i try to come up with lies and excuses to conceal it#like 'oh i actually ate a snack before meeting you for dinner! like a fool!'#'haha i guess that's why i'm good with just a side and a drink :)'#i need to stop doing that. but in my defense people are SO WEIRD about it when you don't eat much#there are all these little micro-aggressions that get really tiring#to the point where honestly i kind of dread eating out socially now#leave me tf alooooone it's not my fault i have the slowest metabolism of all time#cosmo gyres#personal#tag rant
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it's so funny i can have a relatively good week and be in a good mood but then i start thinking about food too hard and i'm like well time to end it all
#literally all i had for dinner was a fucking salad but bc that salad had avocado and cheese on it i think i'm the worst person in the world#and i've been drinking my coffee with milk lately which is a clear sign of lack of discipline!!!!!!!!!!!#i'm just going to gain back the (redacted) lbs i lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#how do i stop this how do i stop food controlling my every thought i genuinely don't know :(#i don't post these kind of things to make people feel sorry for me i just don't want to traumadump on friends and like#i genuinely don't know how to fix this???? i mean#i'm still slightly chubby i could genuinely lose more weight#and i think maybe the reason why i get so freaked out about food is cuz i know i'm not doing enough#but what should i do????????? cuz most people can just. diet and exercise and live normally right?#they don't get scared and beat themselves up for days on end for eating ice cream in the summer right????#i just feel alone but also i know that i HAVE to face this alone#and i HAVE to work on this on my own it's no one else's responsibility but mine#but i genuinely have no idea what to do lmao
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..huh. so I always kinda thought eh idk if the meds are really doing anything, on account of how I still have the depression
but I just realized. it's been a hot second since I've been, like, really anxious or stressed about anything. And shit used to stress me out from time to time, you know?
...so maybe the meds ARE doing something, lmao, just not uhh the like thing I was mainly hoping it might magically do something on
#personal#the meds doing something on the depression was kind of a long shot anyway ig#like I figured it was too deep-seated to be vanquished by something so measily as a brain chemistry rebalance#unfortunately for that I think I might need to actually enact some CBT on me brain#wish I could be like those ppl who could fix it by just identifying the cognitive distortions though lol#nah my brain is already aware of that. it's just like. bad habits or sth at this point. too stuck in the same rut#which requires more work to like. reroute the brain out of the depression track :')#maybe also this is why exercise doesn't rly help with my depression lmao#cuz it rly is all in my head (cuz that's where thoughts live)#although lol. the tired-fatigue(?) thing seems like it maybe could/should be something medical..... lmao....#I wish I could find the magic Vitamin or Mineral I am Deficient in so I can take supplements or meds and Fix that lmao..
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you can really tell i mellowed out about zam cause i draw him about as much as i do my other blorbos now aka never lol jk
#mine.txt#personal cw#not really a vent just me musing about my brain#i should really train myself to draw according to when *i* want rather than according to when my mental illness wants#cause like as much fun as it is it also has detrimental effects#like for example my more detailed drawings can sometimes take all night and id refuse to sleep until i finish it#cause i feel the overwhelming need to get it done#even tho i dont Want to get it done cause i want to go to sleep#also should be on tumblr less cause ngl it takes up way too much of my time#i like reading (non narrative) words and tumblr has a lot of them#honestly im never gonna solve these two specific problems until i manage to get to the root of them#aka my hatred of sleep and my want to see other ppls experiences respectively#both of which stem from my emotional negligence resulting in a weird existential kind of fomo#but til then i need to set up some temporary solutions cause this is Not sustainable#like i literally wrote this at 1 am even though ive been so sleepy for like 3 hours now#i think the best solution rn is to take up exercise that way id have no choice But to have a proper sleep schedule cause exhaustion#but i Refuse to do that when im around other ppl and unfortunately i have roommates#so gotta find something else
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Support group for people who want to lose weight not for body image issues or anything but because they want to fit into their brothers' trousers since they can't otherwise get their hands on men's clothes
#just a little. they do overall fit me but the waist is a bit too tight for them to sit comfortably#curse you... child bearing hips......#i'll still have to fight with Mother over keeping them since Brother has outgrown them. but at least they're Here already#mytext#my biggest obstacle is that i'm a lazy slug akslfkgjvn i'm pretty average with just some chub in the hips-to-knees area (classic)#and i've never really cared to change that especially since my weight hasn't really changed in years but.#for brother's cargo trousers........ try we shall 🫡#it's all really because i don't do any kind or exercise or physical activity at all. which i should first or all due to the health factor#but. lazy. whack. too much anxiety to try things out alone (like going to the gym instead of improvising stuff at home). whack.#but with a concrete objective... a routine that i can stick to...... hopefully..........#if i ever do get the courage to go to the gym or find a soul willing to accompany me at least for the first day though.....#we gotta make these arms bigger and muscular boygirlfriend
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ok on my path to healing I have decided to be more responsible with myself. and if I'm gonna take care of myself mentally, I need to be in order physically. So I scheduled much needed appointments that I've been putting off for a while. good for me
#btw I have no idea how to take care of myself but I guess this is the best way to start#I'm also gonna start exercising (which I do exercise but not as much as I should) both my body and my brain#basically I'm gonna spend less time on electronic devices and read more and do puzzles more and that kind of shit#I'm sure there's other things I can do but idk what I really don't but I guess I'll figure it out as I go
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attempting to learn code Again
#at some point this stuff is gonna stick lmao#this stuff is so fun to try to make sense of like#the website i'm using just kinda tells you ''your task is to do This your result should be That. off you go!“ so it's like#whether you should use if/else or while or whatever else is up for you to determine#rather than just This exercise is about While loops so you must use While loops wow congrats you used While loops!!!#yeah because you told me to lmao#if i was coding my own thing i wouldn't have known which kind of code to use#i can do this i wanna at least know python since it works really well as a 'base' for learning other languages
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i can’t believe i managed to get fucking mono and didn’t even get it by doing anything fun
#mono glandular fever whatever the people who will see the joke will call it mono and it’s less clinical sounding#I need to shout about a lot of stuff now and if you do not know a bunch about what’s been happening already this will not make any sense#I’m just fucking. so [static] about how this term has gone bc this isn’t how it was meant to go#this year was meant to be good! it was going well enough already! I was genuinely happy and would’ve recovered from the bumps!#and it’s my last year in this fucking place and a good chunk of that time is just Gone now. eaten by this bullshit#I had so many plans! and I was actually doing them! and that’s collapsed now!#just on the kind of basic level there I was gonna do dnd and while we might get a few sessions Nobody least of all me#will have time to do much. and I was gonna try to do Some Kind Of Exercise I don’t know why the phrase work out sounds bad but that and like#didn’t happen! and now I have mono :) and I can’t even do ice hockey anymore#worst part abt that is that I didn’t and wouldn’t have noticed that I’ve been so much more tired than normal for the past month if it werent#for the fucking throat swelling#but like! I’m going home in two weeks bc I can’t stand being here any more than I absolutely have to now and I hate that! I want to be here!#I want to get back to my fucking life but that just Isn’t Happening now because of all this bullshit#and everything bar the mono has been stupid and preventable but I’m also pretty sure I Got the mono bc I was so stressed + run down already#I need things to be normal again when I come back in January but I don’t know how much it will ever be normal again in this flat#and on top of that I am So Behind on work. I can’t tell how much I should have done but I’m barely working. I’ve probably done no more than#like 10-15 hours a week? for the past three weeks and that’s honestly optimistic because it’s so hard to even get out of fucking bed#I wanna see my fucking friends but I haven’t been and the last time I saw someone was turning down a guy who surprise: Still Into Me#I was gonna do shit this weekend but then storm and being plagued so not wanting to go out in the storm#and this weekend was nice I had some time to myself which I haven’t had in ages but. I think I just miss everything really bad#I need to cook and it’s getting late and before I can cook I need to do a bunch of cleaning I’ve been putting off and I can’t Not do either#tonight I need to do both bc I don’t have food left and I literally can’t cook until I clean so I should go do that now#I’m terrified I’m losing something I can’t get back and will be later making decisions based on short term bullshit that fucked it all up#I’m gonna go clean while I still have something left in me#luke.txt
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#my contributions#alright I don't care I swear I had this picture in my likes and now it's gone#so I'm reuploading it myself#I sometimes obsessively plan out the order of my posts and this one being gone is screwing up the whole thing.#from lolshtus who deleted their blog and a few of my likes with it#in general I think this is true but I also just hated college and think it was useless for me#so it's hard to tell if this is a genuine opinion or not#also this is in no way a commentary on the current pro-Palestine protets; I support them#Serious#Education#For real though I did read an account once actually of an aspiring doctor who dropped out of med school#because they felt that all they were doing was learning about drugs and memorizing which drugs to prescribe for which conditions#instead of what actually caused those conditions and how they could be prevented/treated naturally with diet/exercise/etc.#so basically they were learning how to be a salesperson for Big Pharma#and I do think that is a valid critique of much of modern higher education; across multiple disciplines#I also read an account once of someone who dropped out of art school because instead of teaching them new techniques...#...that they could choose to use in their own art; all it was doing was...#...trying to tell them what *kind* of art they should be doing; based on what was trendy in the art world at the moment
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what made u anti zionist / helped u unlearn zionism
Unlearning is a work in progress, but basically finding out the information I was given wasn't true. I was taught the "a land without a people for a people without a land" - found out Palestinians, you know, lived here, actually. Was taught all the violence we committed was in self defense - found out we destroyed whole villages to take over the land. Was taught our military is very ethical and never violent without necessity - saw what we do to Palestinians even today (and by "today" I mean before the current escalation in Gaza, I have no idea how anyone can ignore this one now). Was taught we "made the desert bloom" - learned some about native and non-native plants, and about the colonialist nature of trying to transform a whole ecosystem to suit us instead of living with the land as it is. From "Israel vs the Palestinian territories" to learning that even the lands taken over in 48... were taken from them. From "this is our land because this is where we come from" to learning that we aren't the only people that originated in this land and we can't just override the claim of the people who lived here for generations.
None of this, like, inherently means you'll let go of zionism. I know zionists who would agree with me about many of these points. But, I suppose, for me it's a broader anti-colonialism and anti-isolationism thing, and... anti-exceptinalism?
Like, I had to unlearn the idea that antisemitism is a unique and singular kind of oppression that no oppressed group can ever relate to or have solidarity with. The idea that we're alone, we'll always be alone, we're destined to be hated and murdered in ongoing and repeated extermination attempts unless we segregate ourselves in our own state with our own military where we can double down on "kill or be killed" over and over. And because we're the only ones who are this completely rejected by the rest of humanity, anything we do to achieve that goal of safety is justified regardless of who we hurt. Or even that our unique state as victims means we can't actually cause harm in the ways that we were hurt.
Antisemitism is unique in the same way that anti-Blackness is unique and ableism is unique, they all have their own elements. That doesn't mean we can't fight together and form coalitions with other marginalized groups. Romani people are another example of how our experiences are both unique and not. They don't face antisemitism, but they were still part of The Final Solution. We're not The Ultimate Victims, we're one group among many.
All of this together, for me, meant going from "we're the only nation not allowed to have our own country, self determination," to understanding that the issue isn't the question of the right to self determination, it's the fact that we decided to exercise it at the expense of other people. Pretty sure Romani people would face the same reactions if they decided to displace another nation for the sake of their own self determination. This isn't a game of musical chairs, we can't just go "your turn in exile, get out" and expect that to be okay.
Some stateless nations live in a specific location under another country, and they can declare independence in that place without causing harm. It's unfortunate that we didn't have that. But Palestinians shouldn't pay the price.
And Jewish people should be safe everywhere, not just in the small patch of land where we're the oppressor.
Final thing is, had to read a bit about what Palestinians think of all of this. Which is complicated, no group is a monolith, and I don't think I'm qualified to break that down. But after unpacking all the "about us" things, I had to look at their goals from liberation, and now I try to do my best to stay informed and support those goals.
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