#anti daemon stans

[vaenaera]

imagine being upset at seeing a fourteen year old be killed but then looking forward to seeing a toddler be killed

[sunfyredefender77]

SCREAMING

[2rats1gogh]

this has to be one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever seen

I don’t even know which one makes me angrier. The fact that they think Daemon did anything at all for LOVE or the fact that they think Aegon did all that for fucking FAME.

Like how do you misunderstand two characters so fucking much??? This is actually crazy.

If you have ANY reading comprehension you would understand that the one and only reason why Aegon became a more responsible king and person, and actually started fighting this war, is because his six year old son was brutally murdered and now he is afraid that something might happen to his mother, his sister wife, his brothers and his remaining children. Like you don’t need to be a genius to understand that he did that for FAMILY, for LOVE. That was his main motivation. He never wanted power, responsibility or fame, he was fighting to protect his family.

Daemon on the other hand… like, I can understand why it can be a little hard to understand him, but BFFR. He did not orchestrate B&C for “love”. I bet he didn’t even like Lucerys that much, preferring his more valyrian looking sons with Rhaenyra over the dark haired bastards. He just wanted an excuse to kill a child with no consequences. When he killed Vaemond, he didn’t do it for “love”. He was enjoying it, with all those “say it…” and “he can keep his tongue.” that he was throwing around. He QUITE LITERALLY did it for fun.

[maryonaccross]

Just to make this clear: Daemon was openly celebrating the death of Rhaenyra’s mother with a feast. Let that sink in. I don’t know what is so difficult to understand about that because the show is incredibly in- your- face about that but the amount of “aww he was so sad at the funeral and heartbroken” remarks I come across baffle me to no end. The “heir for a day” feast he has with his men was nothing other than him celebrating the fact that Aemma was dead and therefore the possibility of Viserys having a son died with her.

But no, of course he wasn’t hoping for Rhaenyra to die in childbirth in the last episode to become king himself. There’s no way.

[idontreallyknow26]

"Alicent is a horrible mother and a rape apologist, Rhaenyra would never!" Oh but she would 😕😕

Firstly, in terms of how Alicent treated Dyana, she did more than anyone else in the show would've. She gave her moon tea, ensuring Dyana wouldn't become pregnant with her rapists baby & have to give birth. She paid her well, ensuring she could get the fuck away from her rapist. She comforted her. She then went to DISIPLINE AEGON, verbally degrading him and slapping him. She did the best she could in that situation. You all claim she should've sent Aegon away or had him killed - do you hear yourselves? Genuinley? You all would hate her MORE IF SHE DID THAT. You already hate her for not being Valyrain but killing one? Holy shit. And secondly, she couldn't do that - her father would never have let her, or the council.

Now, onto Rhaenyra. As far as we've seen, taking everything about how she parents and what she thinks of her boys - she wouldn't have even gone to see Dyana. Just had her killed. She would've found some form of excuse (she called them bastards) and used that to justify it. We've LITERALLY SEEN HER DO THIS WITH AEMOND. She would rather have her half brothers tortured for speaking truth than punish her boys for one, ganging up on another boy, and two, permanently mutilating him. She does not believe her boys can do any wrong. She doesn't. She is a VALYRAIN PRINCESS, she automatically thinks she's above everyone- I wonder how much of an ego boost nearly passing off three bastards for that many years gave her?

And we know she doesn't care for highborns either. She let Daemon murder Vaemond. That was breaking the law, the kings word that you all care about so much, and Daemon should have been executed for that. Do you really think she'd care about a random servant girl? You people get dumber by the fucking minute.

Do not sit there and try and act like Rhaenyra has any moral or even intellectual high ground on Alicent.

I'd also like to add that blaming a woman (Alicent) for a full grown man's actions (Aegon being a rapist) is WEIRD and misogynistic.

[harwinsrhaenyra]

It's character assassination for a character who has *checks notes* beat his first wife to death with a rock because she sassed him, violently killed the literal messenger because he was pissed at his brother, mocked his dead wives' grieving relatives, literally spent most of the first episode beating people to a pulp, said a long list of misogynistic things regarding his first wife, sister-in-law, lover etc, and been absolutely obsessed with how much better he believes himself, his family and his bloodline are to everyone else because they're "pure" Targaryen, to react violently towards his wife who was given the family secret he wasn't deemed worthy enough to know... Yeah I don't think it's the show runners who misunderstood Daemon here. Y'all made him your TikTok boyfriend and didn't see him as he is, a problematic flawed character. Don't get mad that he can't and could never reach the pedestal y'all set for him 🤷‍♀️.

Y'all didn't care about the inconsistent characterization regarding Alicent, Rhaenys, Rhaenyra and other female characters or Laena and Rhea being reduced to literal plot devices but the minute Daemon reacts in a way fitting his characterization, all hell breaks loose. But let's be real y'all didn't care about the misogyny coming out of his mouth until it effected the woman you ship him with.

[the-daily-dreamer]

I find it so ironic that people are mad at Aemond for claiming Vhagar because Laena only just passed away and it’s disrespectful.

And yet that energy suddenly disappears when Daemon, her husband, has sex with Rhaenyra on the same day. On the same beach.

Targ stans will jump through HOOPS to defend their faves while condemning others for doing the same thing. And in the end, Daemon disrespected Laena with his actions wayyyyy more than Aemond did.

Aemond claimed Laena’s dragon after her funeral. He had no real relationship to her and her dragon was open for claiming. Daemon, however, was Laena’s husband and father to her children. And instead of mourning his wife and comforting his children, he took the first opportunity he could after the funeral to fuck his niece. Even Rhaenyra was more disrespectful to Laena than Aemond. She went to her relative’s funeral and decided to have sex with the deceased’s husband.

All Aemond did was claim a dragon that happened to belong to Laena recently (as well as other riders, it’s not like Vhagar was ONLY Laena’s). Daemon and Rhaenyra decided to have sex right after her funeral. One is claiming something that belonged to Laena for a time. And one is blatantly disrespecting Laena and her importance to her family.

[crimsonbastard]

Daemon Targaryen:

Kills his first wife by beating her to death with a rock. Mocks her and her family when the latter confront him about her death.

Doesn't care much about his second wife which leads to her questioning herself whether she was good enough for him. Refuses to let her return to her home. Ignores his daughters. Laughs at her funeral and fucks his niece at the night of her funeral itself.

Dry humps his niece in a brothel and abandons her there, leaving her vulnerable. Proceeds to fuck his niece at the day of his second wife's funeral and marries her the next day. Does not stay by her side when she's suffering a miscarriage and doesn't offer her comfort after the stillbirth and then proceeds to choke the said niece when she refuses to go to war and actually wants to consider diplomacy.

Ser Criston Cole:

Has sex with Rhaenyra despite not wanting it considering the unequal power dynamic. Which leads to him falsely assuming that the latter loves him and isn't just using him for sex.

When he finds out that he's actually being used for sex, which made him realise that he soiled his white cloak for nothing, he breaks down. He realises that he has made a mistake that might cost him his life and honour which eventually drove him to commit suicide. Harbors a deep rooted hatred for Rhaenyra. Calls her a Spoilt C**nt.

Criston has every right to hate Rhaenyra. She, albeit unknowingly, drove him to suicide. That does not mean that he's a misogynist. A misogynist is someone who is prejudiced against women. Criston does not hate Rhaenyra because she's a woman. He hates Rhaenyra for what she drove him to.

He's also not an Incel. An Incel is short for "Involuntary Celibate", basically men who are frustrated over not getting sex and take it out on women, a sub-set of misogyny. Criston is a member of the Kings Guard and he took a vow of celibacy, basically he's voluntarily fucking celibate. Rhaenyra made him break that vow (cause who can deny the princess?). It's not like he can't get Sex. Y'all were thirsting over Criston before episode 5. He's a handsome man, he's a knight and he can get sex if he wants if it weren't for his oath as a member of the Kings Guard. The white cloak is the only thing that he has to his fucking name and Rhaenyra made him soil that. That's a completely valid reason for him to hate her. It does not make him an Incel.

It's almost as if People hate Criston for switching to Team-Green (the more interesting team) and "abandoning" Rhaenyra more than anything.

Daemon on the other hand is a walking red-flag who also has a big ass red dragon. He takes what he wants and leaves the ashes when he's done and expects others to clean it up. And yet he's seen as this male-wife, feminist icon.

[asharaxofstarfall]

idk why some people act like the velaryons (vaemond specifically) were insane for not wanting rhaenyras kids to inherit their ancestral grounds. in most cases, i'm able to dismiss the whole "but the kids can't be theirs speech!!" because that's just not how genetics work. some kids don't look a single bit like either of their parents or relatives. or they just look exactly like one parent or a perfect mix of the two. gentics are uncertain. but the velaryons are black, with dark eyes and silver curls. laenor is bi racial, yes, but his mother is a targ. the targs have (in the show) light blue eyes and silver blonde hair and they are white.rhaenyra has this exact look. also, laenor and rhaenyra are first cousins, an even smaller gene pool for their children. now, the targaryens aren't strictly inbred, of course. so it is possible that rhaenyras kids could have hypothetically just gotten their brown hair from some distant relative. but factor in laenors well known gayness, and the possibility that they were not sleeping together, you can completely understand why the velaryons would have every reason to believe that they are bastards (which they are). just because laenor accepts the kids as his own does not mean that his family members have to give driftmark to an unrelated white child. white man kills black man because black man wants his home to stay his home, and not be given to white people. seriously, do you guys not understand this?

[henriettadreaming]

I find Daemon an interesting character to watch and I like Matt Smith, but the wild takes I see coming from Daemon fangirls have me wanting to throw my phone out the window.

I mean-

Daemon: Kills Rhea Royce after spending years insulting her and her home.

Them: Well he was forced into marrying her in the first place!

Daemon: Takes Rhaenyra to a brothel, allows people to see her and then leaves her there alone.

Them: He decided not to sleep with her, and left her there because he felt guilty.

Daemon: Laughs at his wife's funeral, ignores his grieving daughters, fucks another women the night of said funeral at said wife's home and remarries before Laena's remains have time to reach the bottom of the sea.

Them: Laena was always Daemon's second choice, Daemyra were kept apart long enough, and them getting to finally be together is so romantic! 😍

Daemon: Undermines his wife/Queen, ignores Rhaenyra as she's going through a traumatic stillbirth, chokes her when she doesn't dive straight into war.

Them: He'd already lost a wife to a difficult pregnancy, he's grieving his brother's death, Rhaenyra was so numb in grief he wanted to snap her into action!

Me:

[vaenaera]

team black looking forward to blood threatening to rape little jaehaera if helaena didnt chose between her toddler and her babe but then little jaehaerys being beheaded when she ended up choosing babe maelor is sick and twisted

[shvroyism]

you can’t be claim to love Helaena, say she is the only good team green member and that she deserved so much better, while simultaneously defending blood & cheese. I am sorry, it’s not allowed, i don’t make the rules.

[2rats1gogh]

I have sent something similar (Same topic) to someone else already but I love hearing peoples different takes and opinions.

Aemond and Daemon was not a fair fight. Daemon has more experience in battles and is older than Aemond. Vhagar is an old dragon, she’s not in her prime fighting age whereas caraxes is so why TB think they can use Aemond’s death as a little gotcha moment for Aemond not being a formidable opponent is baffling. Also didn’t they both die? Daemon and Caraxes were up against a young adult who is half blind and an old lady dragon and both ended up dying anyways? It’s not as much as a slay as TB thinks it is. Also Yes Aemond was cocky in the trailer but who wouldn’t be when they ride the BIGGEST WAR DRAGON?

NAH CAUSE LITERALLY!!! That fight is super funny if you think about it because no matter how you look at it, it still paints Daemon as weak and silly, and Aemond, along with team green stays the superior Chad.

If you consider them fair opponents, it only makes it fair if they both die, so nothing special about that.

If you consider Daemon being stronger than Aemond, because of his experience in battle and yada yada, he still looks silly because he actually has to DIE in order to finally kill Aemond. Like alright, Daemon killed him I guess, but at the cost of HIS OWN LIFE? Not a flex. And Aemond is the Chad because he managed to not be the only one dying in that fight.

And finally, if you consider Aemond being stronger than Daemon, you are kinda giving him a compliment, since he was already on the same level as his uncle when he was in his early 20s and Daemon was already in his late 50s and with years of experience in battle.

Like Daemon literally embarrassed himself whatever the case actually was. He, an agile, strong and experienced warrior had to literally fight real hard to kill his 20 year old nephew and eventually died himself. Like, again, this is literally not a flex in any way.

Like people are laughing at Aemond in the trailer but if the show keeps the book’s version of events, Aemond does die during that battle, like alright, sure, BUT he also quite literally single-handedly took the life one of the most feared warriors of his time. Team Green might’ve lost a prince, but they also got rid of a very strong enemy.

Also, doesn’t matter if you say “they both lost” or “they both technically won” because Aemond stays cooler either way.

[maryonaccross]

I hate the juxtaposition the writers try to make by painting Alicent as the sexually repressed patriarchy abiding woman and then try to show RHAENYRA as the sexually liberated one.

Are you… are you being serious? Rhaenyra who was groomed and manipulated by her UNCLE her whole life is supposed to be somehow more sexually liberated than Alicent who is stuck in an arranged marriage to a way older man? That’s the dream of sexual liberation? Being groomed by a close relative?

I mean at least Alicent and Viserys aren’t related. But apart from that their marriage is every bit as problematic as Rhaenyra’s relationship with her groomer.

The age gap between Rhaenyra and Daemon can’t be more than a couple years smaller than that of Alicent and Viserys. And the fact that he is her relative that took advantage of her vulnerability after the death of her mother to coerce her into sexual acts to ruin her reputation in order to gain political advantage is vomit inducing.

The thing that baffles me is how many people actually look at the scene where we we’re simultaneously shown Viserys maritally raping Alicent and Daemon coercing his niece to sexual acts in the brothel and don’t see this scene as the clear parallel it is.

People who don’t realize that remind me of Colleen Hoover fans that are only able to recognize abusive relationships when the abuse is explicitly shoved in their face in the form of physical violence and cannot recognize it when it is shown in a more subtle form like grooming, manipulation, dubious consent, and deception.

We could clearly see throughout the show how much Daemon’s grooming has had a long lasting effect on Rhaenyra’s life and personality. She isn’t able to build profound romantic relationships with anyone other than her uncle (remember how she forgot Harwin cough the father of her children cough even existed the moment Daemon showed up?) and we see her regress to an uncertain teenage girl at the moment he returns to her life ( she spills all her secrets to him the minute they’re alone without even thinking of possible consequences )

In Emma D’Arcy’s words:

"This is essentially a grooming scenario. The idea that a teenage girl is in any way able to consent to that sexual interaction is a mess. There is no way that power can be equally distributed in that relationship."

- Emma D’Arcy

( And please, do not come screaming in the comments about how things were different the books. I’m talking about THE SHOW and basing this on what we saw in the show, such as for example Daemon admitting that Rhaenyra was a child when he left to go into exile, and what the actors have to say about this relationship. I can understand why it can be frustrating that some things were adapted differently but using the book as an argument doesn’t hold any weight because there have been many notable changes in the adaptation.)

[thesunfyre4446]

Criston : called rhaenyra a c*nt one time and apologized

TB stans : misogynistic evil women-hating piece of sh*t !!

Daemon : leaves a 17yo rhaenyra in a brothel half naked alone, chokes her

TB stans : malewife feminist king :)))))))))))))))))

[the-daily-dreamer]

Do you think daemon would kill the strong boys so his children could sit on the throne?

Yes.

But it’s conditional.

I definitely think that if there were no consequences whatsoever and Daemon would never get caught. He would kill the Strong boys. He doesn’t seem to love the boys at all. In fact, there’s scenes in the show that show Daemon and Jace outright glaring at one another. And the boys stand in the way of Daemon’s ultimate goal of putting his direct line on the throne. There’s just no reason in my eyes that he wouldn’t kill the boys if he could. He doesn’t love or like them, they aren’t true Valyrians in his eyes, and they are barriers to his goals.

However, realistically, I don’t think he would. Not because he doesn’t want to. But more so because he would almost certainly get caught and the consequences would be disastrous for him. Also, Rhaenyra has bargained for his daughters to marry her sons, so technically his blood will be on the throne in the next generation. It’s not ideal for him, but it’s better than nothing. I’m sure he’d prefer a male primogeniture heir of his and Rhaenyra’s blood to take the throne, but his grandkids being the heirs is a safer and acceptable alternative.

Basically, do I think he would kill the Strong boys if he could? Yes. They’re in his way and he would prefer to have his sons on the throne over them. But do I think he would kill them in this cannon? No. It’s too risky and they’re better for him as pawns to his game than victims that put him at risk.

(And before anyone says “But he does love them!! He made the guards swear loyalty to Jace and did blood and cheese for Luc!!!”. Consider this: he doesn’t love them. He sees them as tools. Tools that keep his relationship with Rhaenyra amicable so he can become king. Tools for getting his blood on the throne with his daughter as queen and grandchildren as rulers. And tools to push for war. Revenge for Luc’s death is not out of love but rather a push for war because we all know he desperately wants war. To the point he will choke his wife for it).