#anti jensen's ego

[laf-outloud]

I hope it's okay to vent to you about this.

I am in disbelief. I didn't like it when Jensen said to "hate watch" the show or added in the would-be gaslighting line of "were you ever a real SPN fan in the first place?" I didn't care for how overgrown frat boy and egotistical ass he came across as in the MR podcast last year, especially about Jessica Alba. It just reeked of misogyny and typical toxic male performativity. But this "Suck it" takes the cake for me. Talk about an eye opener. How extremely unprofessional and petty.

Obviously, there's no video to watch to give context this time around but I'm thinking he knows that (based on the rules enforced there) and he has his wife with him and a room full of asskissers so he felt incredibly comfortable and said "fuck it" and said what he wanted to say when asked.

I was never an anti per se, of him or the show, but I did have criticisms of both (like so many others) and they were all legitimate. Despite that, I still gave the show a chance and it was appallingly bad. Even his Dean voiceovers were terrible (not once did it sound like Dean). And the thing with AU story telling is, you can't leave the full exposition until the end of a season (or movie) without some build-up. Even if they were completely full of shit and they came up with that in the 11th hour near the finale, they easily could have gone the route of "that's why there's so many things off about this universe like Carlos' hair trick and not sounding like Dean in the voiceovers and the Akrida" and it still would have been a better explanation than "suck it" and "everyone else has an AU multiverse, why not us?" (I guess people weren't wrong when they said he's desperate to be in the Marvel franchise or at least have a career comparable to RDJ). It makes no sense to leave that full exposition until the end (and they know it) because it negates any true interest and investment that an audience would have had in the ensemble cast that had been set up in the pilot, and in their universe and story line. By doing that in the end, it essentially did make it "The Dean Show". I don't have an issue with Dean being the person to pull the strings, but make it make sense; this is basic story crafting 101 for crying out loud.

The amount of vanity and smugness and overall ego that he is displaying right now is very off putting. The signs have all been there for the last couple of years, especially in this last year, but I still kept thinking "well, I don't necessarily have to be in love with him or up his ass to enjoy the work he puts out, he still played Dean for 15 years and I love Dean" but now, this really just puts me off of him for good. I have no desire to root for him or have any more interest to see what he's up to or even to see what asinine thing he says at the next con.

As much as I like Jared, when prequelgate happened, I stayed out of the ensuing drama. I could empathize with Jared, having been in a sort of similar situation myself (meaning I had taken to social media in the past, reacting to something that hurt me and making it public, and things snowballed from there) and I thought "the guy's human, why can't people understand that, he reacted to something that hurt him and caught him off guard, why hate on him, especially since he and Jensen talked it out so why continue the drama bullshit". I didn't agree with those defending Jensen by saying he didn't know about the announcement until it happened a few minutes prior, but I still loved J2 basically. But wow, Jensen has really gone further downhill in this past year alone, and I think it's abundantly clear that the reason he looks so miserable lately and appears to be drinking so much (I mean how many photos have we seen of this man in a social setting where he has a drink or can or bottle in his hand?) is maybe what others have said, he really cannot handle the reality check of realizing that not everyone kisses his ass. That not everyone accepted his show with open arms. That his name and persona weren't enough to ensure immediate success. That he wasn't thought of as the best producer ever. And if Danneel really does look at anti blogs, which there seems to be good evidence for especially since she mentioned Tumblr at NYCC all on her own, then I wonder how much she either showed him or made him aware of, especially since they now were both "producing" their own show and were most likely being told what the reactions were to TW (which is even more evidenced by Drake's explanation of the writers constantly changing the episode arcs in response to the feedback from fans and criticisms alike).

And the thing is, Jensen can sit there and tell himself that it was prequelgate or people bitching about canon issues, but the ratings speak for themselves. And even more so, the fact that additional producers were brought in, stunt casting had to be relied on, negative press (dislikes, comments, poll results) had to be requested to be removed, reshoots had to be done, the lack of promotion by said "original producers" (who expected their names to be enough to sell it but didn't bank on reinforcing that with engagement?), the finale not being turned into the network until 2 days before airing (and admitting that publicly) - all of this speaks to just how poorly this show was produced and a real leader (in any industry) automatically knows that it all starts with the top. That's what separates a leader from a boss (as you aptly pointed out in an earlier post of yours when highlighting the difference between Jared and Jensen in the EP roles). To echo your earlier sentiments, a boss is a guy who sits on his ass while the employees they hired do all of the back breaking work. They're only there to reinforce their title, "be the face" of the company, and collect all of the profits. Leaders dig in and get their hands dirty alongside their employees. They provide support where it's needed (like say the restaurant industry for example) and they do whatever it takes to turn out a successful product or service. Leaders even have a different type of mindset compared to bosses. Leaders want to flood the harbor to lift all of the boats at the same time so everyone will be successful which helps the end result; bosses only want their boat rising while all of the others stay below. And it's pretty sad to say that Jensen has now proven himself to be the latter. Telling your young cast not to "fuck it up" and explaining to one of your leads how to stand to appear taller on camera (the same young actress you seem to have a preoccupation with that gives off seriously creepy vibes - filming her while she's singing at SNS on your phone that people actually saw you do? no matter your intentions, that's yuck) in comparison to your other lead isn't being a leader. Admittedly sitting in your car, waiting for fires to put out (which obviously there were a ton and either they knew and didn't care or no one told them but it proves they didn't care enough to have their finger on the pulse because it wouldn't provide them with an immediate cashflow) does not a leader make. They'd already be there with fire extinguisher in hand, at the ready, making sure a fire wouldn't even have a chance to start.

Jensen and Danneel came up with this idea, and I would say Jensen is more responsible here because he got the idea approved, he attached his name to it, he was the one in the show for 15 years, he's obviously the one who expected the most to come from this. (and I still have yet to know what Danneel did other than make a playlist, support Jensen's ego 100%, go along for the EP credit ride, and give some input on the costuming). So that means it all starts with him. He may not like it but that's what a real leader would realize. If your project fails, it's not on your cast/employees or your union workers/crew or even your manager/showrunner; it's on you. You set the tone (as he and Jared both have stated time and time again, EP's, directors, and lead actors set the tones on sets). It's your production company (no matter how you got it). It's on you, pal.

This is very disappointing and a little disheartening if I"m honest. It looks as if those who said he was a selfish, greedy, lying, egotistical son of a bitch were right all along. And some people can blame his wife or her influence, but this appears to be all him, which makes me wonder just exactly what she deals with on a daily basis and what we don't see or hear. Not giving her a pass on her own behaviors but it does make me wonder, especially if he's this narcissistic. Either way, it's just sad.

Thanks for letting me get that out. I was so incredibly disappointed and frustrated with some of his reported comments. Ugh. Hope the rest of your night goes well!

Of course you can vent to me! I hope it helped you to write it all down and share.

I really can't add much else to what you've written. I think you've outlined just about every thought I've had about this whole debacle since it started. I was like you, initially. I didn't want to get involved in the prequel mess and kind of just watched from the sidelines (though I did side with Jared). After it became obvious that there was absolutely no remorse on Jensen's part, I joined in the conversations.

There were occasions when it seemed like maybe Jensen had hit rock-bottom and was ready to return to being the person we thought we knew from SPN, but a week or two later and he'd say or do something arrogant again and it really hasn't stopped. I don't know what rock-bottom looks like for him, I hope he doesn't have to reach that in order to turn things around, and for all we know, he never will. I'm just grateful TW is over and pray that Jensen's obsession with continuing SPN/Dean is over.

On a personal note, it's interesting that you should point out the leader/boss ask (credit to one of my anons for the Boss/Leader differences). My retired director texted me today looking for travel advice and your post reminded me of what a great director she was. She always got involved in the nitty-gritty of what we were doing, she respected us and our ideas, frequently asked our advice (even though we knew the final decision was hers), and she knew how to manage getting the job done while still having fun. Her leadership style reminds me a lot of how people describe Jared's. (She and her husband even showed up on a Saturday to help me move to my new house!) If you ever find yourself working with a fantastic leader, stick with them. They don't come around that often.

Thank you for sending in your thoughts! I truly enjoyed reading them and found myself nodding along quite frequently. I hope you have an enjoyable day/evening as well!

[lightofraye]

I want to say that I'm very happy that I found your blog. I remember sending an ask about Danneel emotional abuse of Jensen and I send it to anti danneel blog and answer was Jensen is privileged man so that's not possible, which is an extremely ignorant opinion. Yes he is privileged but he picked a shitty partner, one has nothing to do with the other. They always say he can leave as simple as that, ppl who say this clearly never been in a relationship with narcissist. Technically speaking 99% of ppl who stay in a toxic or abusive relationship can leave but they dont for different reasons and responsibilities ( children, money) but mostly because narcissists tend to gaslight their partners in to thinking they can never do better and they would do something very awful if they left and ppl also stay in a toxic relationship because of their deep rooted issues like low self esteem or ego. Jensen seems to have combination of all of this.

Hi anon!

I'm sorry you got that response. Yes, many don't realize that abuse--of any kind--can deflate one's will, make them lack faith and belief in themselves to escape. Even emotional abuse!

There may be many reasons Jensen is staying. It could be to protect his children as best he could. Maybe he is working on leaving Danneel and has to do it carefully (I hope it's this case).

Toxic and abusive relationships are never easy to leave.

Thank you for your kind words!

[bloodycowboyclub]

HANGMAN PAGE BIRTHDAY WEEK -> Day 4: PLAYLIST

we’re more ghosts than people.

spotify | youtube

Mine Forever | Lord Huron

Dial Drunk | Noah Kahan, Post Malone

Palomino | First Aid Kit

Anti-Hero (Country Version) | Josiah & the Bonnevilles

Wild Horses (Acoustic) | Bishop Briggs

I Lied | Lord Huron, Allison Ponthier

cowboy like me | Taylor Swift

Spirit of the Forest | Antarctic Wastelands, Anita Tatlow

El Invento | José González

Can I Believe You | Fleet Foxes

Stay | Abraham Alexander

I’m Not a Smart Man | Dale Hollow

Not New | The Bright Light Social Hour

The Curse of the Blackened Eye | Orville Peck

No Mistakes | Sarah Shook & the Disarmers

Hangman | Chris Pureka

Burden | St. Catherine’s Child

My Ego Dies at the End | Jensen McRae

Dancing Away in Tears | Yola

Chasing Twisters | Delta Rae

Salt and Shadow | Thrice

Summertime Sadness | Lana Del Rey

[miasmat]

Tagged for an ask meme - spell out your URL using song titles that can describe your muse/OC/pairings, then tag as many people as there are letters in your URL! I got tagged by @laindtt (almost a month ago I'm so sorry ;w; ) thank you so much!

Mountain Sound by Of Monsters and Men - Arcade Gannon

I heard them calling in the distance So I packed my things and ran Far away from all the trouble I had caused with my two hands Alone we traveled armed with nothing but a shadow We fled far away

I Found by Amber Run - Beckett/Seth

I'll use you as a warning sign That if you talk enough sense then you'll lose your mind And I'll use you as a focal point So I don't lose sight of what I want And I've moved further than I thought I could But I missed you more than I thought I would And I'll use you as a warning sign That if you talk enough sense then you'll lose your mind

Aawake At Night by Half Alive - Seth Trenton

I've wrestled with the truth for quite some time And I've been drowning in this restless mind I'm sick of being so unsatisfied Tell me that the answer's right God, are you awake at night? 'Cause I've been abandoned by my company I'll search for what's in front of me And hope that I find something new

Shelter by FINNEAS - Ian/Dion

There's no way out, the city sinks into the sea But if we go down, at least I'm in good company They call us hasty, and I think they might be right But I know that I'd be crazy Not to wanna be the one to keep you up all night Give me, give me shelter from the storm Give me, give me shelter, keep me warm Come kiss me by the delta, where the river's torn But I'll be whole As long as I'm yours Mystic by Adam Jensen - Johnny Silverhand

Tell the preacher not to pray There's no angels where I go Only pieces that I broke and Scattered dreams across the floor I'm home

Anti You by Blue Stahli - V

Another command to succumb To sucking you off with a smile A vanity culture like a congregation Identity dogmatism The image is always in style Stroking the ego with media masturbation Conditioning to canonize Gospel of this vox populi

Force feeding Misleading I'm burning the altar And I'll pass right through

Erasing Debasing I want to be the anti you

The Rain Song by Led Zeppelin - Cuthbert Beckett

It is the springtime of my loving The second season I am to know You are the sunlight in my growing So little warmth I've felt before It isn't hard to feel me glowing I watched the fire that grew so low, oh

[dotthings]

People on twitter going after Jensen because of who he QTed that Jensen edit from, that's pointless and he doesn't deserve it--he would have no way of knowing that account's viewpoints. They're very good at playing pretend and performing as positive.

The account in question is claiming her own innocence while people are rightfully upset at her, saying "if you're going to lie about me, you'd better bring receipts."

Don't threaten me with a good time, I have the receipts.

This is a "j2 stan" who passive aggressively enables demeaning comments from Jared, about Dean, who treats the kinds of commentary that hurts so many Dean fans as wonderful/valid/truth.

I've got the receipts.

She called Jensen a "snake" and said Jared stans have a right to go after the "backstabber." No she was not kidding at the time. I've seen the receipts. She's claiming now it was a joke. It wasn't. (If she changed her mind and regrets it now, she could just say that but she's trying to gaslight people who have receipts instead).

They also are anti-Misha, they'll deny the charge.

They cherry pick and selectively ignore Jensen's objections to the finale, his salt about the rebar, the things that bother him about Dean's ending to go "uwu barn scene brothers Jensen loves everything."

They're anti-Destiel and in a way where she uses Jensen and distorts Jensen's words and uses Jensen as her hate flag.

She's a straight Dean truther who used DeanBenny as a weapon against Destiel.

She's tried to gatekeep at Destiel shippers and paint Destiel shippers as the entire problem while Jared stans are attacking Jensen 24/7 non-stop since prequelgate.

She has weaponized and used Jensen and projected her own biases onto him.

She claimed that Jensen is uncomfortable signing Destiel fanart.

She's depicted some of Jared's hurtful comments as "truth" and doesn't care who gets hurt by them. Whether it's Dean fans or Destiel shippers getting hurt.

She hates Bobo for being a Destiel supporter and accused him of being anti-brothers.

She hates the writers room collectively for being Destiel supportive.

That's just a few examples from the past few years. If I dug back farther I could find receipts of her being insulting about Dean.

It's fine to enjoy the edit she made, I don't care.

It's misdirected, pointless, and not helpful to go after Jensen over it. I don't see how he could know, since this account cultivates a positive veneer while being a backhanded snake.

What bothers me is an account like that getting a swelled ego because Jensen gave her positive attention. And her entitlement getting even bigger.

[sapphyreopal5]

Not an ask, just an opinion.

Personally, I think Jensen has been in love with Jared the whole filming of SPN and Jared and he were involved all that time. When Jared decided to try to make his marriage with Gen work, broke up with Jensen and wanted to leave SPN, it devastated Jensen to the point where he wanted to hurt Jared very badly, by stealing the legacy they created together and making the Prequel. That would explain the anger exhibited by those videos/pictures he posted of him body building during The Boys, the refusing to take responsibility for his own actions and blaming Jared, the bad decisions, the sadness and self-loathing he exhibits whenever he is around his wife, the self-aggrandizing (to get Jared's attention) and why he only looks alive and happy when he's with Jared. The supposed women he is having affairs with are just for cover, to appease his ego and stroke his soul, which is probably the only thing keeping him going right now, underneath the swagger of ego. He's an unhappy, jilted, ex who met his soul mate and now has to live without him. I don't see his unhappiness ending anytime soon.

Hmm interesting opinion/ask you shared with me here, Anon. I see you are a so called "tin hatter" who has managed to find my blog. Thank you for stopping by to share your thoughts with me. So, I am going to begin by saying that I will admit I myself have had some questions about some things I've learned and noticed myself with what I have seen, heard, etc. I do think a lot of what you're saying here has some truth to it. However, it is not as simple as them being exes or in a secret relationship or in love with each other and I highly suspect things are one sided. I don't know if you've read much about my blog or if you've just seen certain anti Danneel posts of mine but my blog is mainly about the SPN cast along with spirituality related topics, particularly divination. For that reason, I am going to share with you a reading I did about this topic back on October 4, 2023 after a friend of mine and I have been seeing some things while dreamwalking, and noticing some things that have manifested after seeing said things.

In the Tarot, The Hierophant who is said to be the masculine counterpart to The High Priestess represents spiritual wisdom, religious beliefs, conformity, tradition, institutions, personal beliefs, freedom, and sometimes on the contrary challenging the status quo. The 3 of Cups is said to be a card of celebration, friendship, creativity, collaborations, independence, alone time, hardcore partying, and sometimes even the notion that ‘three’s a crowd’. The King of Pentacles is symbolic of wealth, business, leadership, security, discipline, abundance, or on the opposite end of things being financially inept, obsessed with wealth and status, and also a stubborn personality. The Page of Wands represents inspiration, ideas, discovery, limitless potential, a free spirit, newly-formed ideas, redirecting energy, self-limiting beliefs, and a spiritual path being presented. The 7 of Swords (a card I admittedly am not liking in this reading I did) is a card that stands for betrayal, deception, getting away with something, acting strategically, imposter syndrome, self-deceit, and states someone is keeping secrets. Death in the Tarot may sound self-explanatory as to its meaning but is not always meant to be telling of a literal death. In the Tarot, Death is about endings, change (and resistance to), transformation (internal and external), transition, and inner purging. Lastly, The Emperor in this deck ties in somewhat with The Hierophant with some similar meanings and what the card represents, which include authority, establishment, structure, a father figure, domination, excessive control, lack of discipline, and generally being inflexible.

So, I post an extremely small fraction of the things I receive divination readings about and post things with the direction of my guides. Some of my guides include the higher selves (in Jensen's case, former higher selves [currently a "dumped" incarnation]) of both Jensen's and Jared's. Some of the things I have not posted on here involve the true nature of their relationship, which again is not as straight forward or as simple as a said secret relationship between them or both being in love with each other. I do agree with you that Jensen seems to feel some hurt from some thing(s) Jared has done (or not) behind closed doors. After watching some old interview clips, con videos, etc., I do notice some interesting looks and behaviors coming from Jensen's direction (body language, how he looks at Jared compared to other people, etc.).

The King of Pentacles being diagonal from the Page of Wands (which I feel symbolizes Jared in this particular case) and also the 7 of Swords is very interesting (and concerning as I'll explain why). The Hierophant and The Emperor (boot looking card) paired in present in this reading together states there is an authoritative father figure that's fairly religious (Jensen's father who Jared reportedly called "Papa Ackles") involved that is a big reason why Jensen is in the closet. However, the 2 cards that tinhatters are probably not gonna like seeing the explanation for here are Death and 7 of Swords. As I'll explain below, these 2 cards are setting half the tone in this reading with . I am not here to appease to people with what I write and such. If it resonates okay if not then it doesn't, simple as that. The card in the center (Page of Wands) curiously is the same card I feel represents Jared. This to me confirms that Jared is more or less on the receiving end of things and isn't so much "giving" out as much as some think but instead "goes with the flow". I also believe greatly that Jared doubts himself a lot and seems to put himself down a lot when praising Gen and others, which is part of what's called Imposter Syndrome.

Based on what I know of his dad Alan and have seen in some YouTube videos (like this one, [trigger warning: this is a Pro Life related video so if this is a trigger do not watch!]), I do believe now based on what I've learned about his past, have observed both on and off camera with women versus Jared say, and even his actions (or inactions) that Jensen is not of the straight orientation. I believe also his dad is a big reason for this, as I think he is afraid of not getting approval from his dad should he not conform to the Christian family man image Jensen to this day tries to sell (and is failing at doing so more and more as the days go on). The Emperor (authoritative father figure) and The Hierophant (religious, institutional, and traditional ways of being) I believe tie in strongly with the dynamic between Jensen and his dad. Is Jensen afraid of "getting the boot" (The Emperor) from his religious dad (The Hierophant) and therefore his family? You mentioned the women/woman Jensen's sleeping with is all for cover and even his marriage with Danneel, or the so called "bearding". I have been wondering if this is why Jensen has never once that I can recall shown Danneel any real affection publicly (and vice versa). You can talk all you want about feeling this and that about her Jensen at cons but those of us who pay attention know better. Actions (and inactions) speak much louder than words. The 3 of Cups in this reading seems to point to what you are suggesting here.

With regards to the King of Pentacles representing Jensen, he likes to dress "nicer" (personally, I want to burn the green shirt he wore to the Charlotte con a couple months back), is VERY big on personal image and sticks with the Christian family man persona that clearly isn't working out. However, I believe he makes a lot of very poor decisions both from a business aspect (thus the "financially inept" tidbit from the King of Pentacles description coming into play here) AND in his personal life. I also elaborated a good deal here on the King of Pentacles representing Jensen in this reading I did a few months ago regarding Drake and Jensen's relationship dynamic (Drake being a so called "mini Jared" or "Jared 2.0). I also mentioned in that post things about Jensen wearing green velvet to interviews before The Winchesters aired. Rumors have been going around for a while that Family Business Beer Company is doing badly but I believe it's becoming more apparent in recent months. They are aggressively trying to expand the distribution of their beers yet their location hours remain at a solid 30 hours, which in itself is a troubling sign (as is being closed for 3 days of the week). Recently I've read a couple posts here on Tumblr mentioning possible layoffs have happened at FBBC in the last couple weeks, which is also always a troubling sign things aren't going so well. With respect to his personal life, whew I think that's just a downright hot mess. The lawsuit that was announced at the end of August with Jensen and Danneel Ackles named certainly will impact both their personal and business lives.

The house that Jensen bought back in July is surrounded by cemeteries (aka marked graves, who knows about unmarked graves), as I posted about here. I'll make another post about this but some speculated it was for business ventures aka a business investment to which my guides say "not quite, more like a real estate investment period". I agree with my guides 100% for multiple reasons and trust they are right. If Jensen intends on using this giant mansion for purposes remotely related to business investments, he and Danneel will be very unpleasantly surprised for multiple reasons. There is understandably some doubt about whether Jensen actually moved to Connecticut at all, due to several sightings of him in Texas at different times after he and Danneel were announced as the new owners of their CT mansion back in July 2023. Regardless of whether Jensen is fully living there, lives there part of the year, just bought it for a vacation home or whatever the story is, the fact is the Ackles don't seem to have had any strong ties to the state prior to them buying this house. Why buy a house on the other side of the country where you've barely visited previously if everything good going on for Jensen is in Austin, including Jensen's said best friend Jared?

I hate the be the bearer of bad news here but if you all think this is merely a business investment and that this will be converted into a B&B or another brewery location, I'll point you to 3 sources that says to me any plans Danneel and Jensen may have like this are extremely likely gonna get foiled real fast (type of zone their house is in, what you can and can't do in different zones in Connecticut, and oh my someone tried to petition to allow B&Bs in residential zones over 10 years in a house that's not even 4 miles away from the mansion and DENIED). Oh, and when signing the papers for buying the house, the lines indicating the purposes of buying the house per the online deeds records did not include any commercial purposes, only personal residence purposes. Hmm.... I would call the mix of these things being financially inept.

Jared on the other hand I wholeheartedly believe is represented by the Page of Wands in this particular reading. While both of them own businesses, are obviously wealthy, and both have refered to themselves along with Jeffrey Dean Morgan "the three kings", I believe that Jared has a more youthful spirit and can be more free-spirited than Jensen by a long shot. Generally, Pages cards represent either children, the younger self of a person in question, or in my opinion someone who has a youthful spirit (can be full of energy, enthusiasm for new ideas, is playful, etc.). Although the description of this card doesn't directly say it on the link I provided I always think of a youthful or playful soul when I see the Page of Wands. The Page of Wands in my deck has 3 peppers on it. It has been said that Jared switched out the prop Ghost Pepper jerky Dean ate in Season 15 Episode 5 "Proverbs 17:3" (scene clip from YouTube below) with real Ghost Pepper Jerky as a prank. Sam and Dean in Season 1 Episode 17 "Hell House" (which happens to be playing on my new TV in my room now as I'm writing this) also pulled quite a few pranks on each other going back and forth, and also reportedly did so in real life on the set but off camera. Jared I noticed also tends to dress more casually or if he dresses up more nicely it's not in elaborate outfits unlike Jensen. I mean also the second clip I shared from YouTube below says it all for me with regards to this card representing Jared in this reading from a youthful spirit point of view.

I also recall reading about how Jared explored Epcot Center and Universal Studios for a day by himself when he was just 8 years old, scaring his grandfather nearly to death who was crying when Jared walked out of the gates of Disney World. This to me shows that Jared is indeed a free-spirited soul who isn't afraid of embarking on new journeys alone (even if others don't like it and Jared doesn't end up liking what follows, thus at times does challenge the status quo even if he and others don't like the outcome), and seems to value novelty or discovering new things and even has more of a creative streak than Jensen if we're to be frank. It was also stated in this article I linked to earlier in this paragraph that Kripke felt that Jared's soulfulness and likeability would be more suitable for Sam Winchester while Jensen's more "charismatic" character would better fit Dean Winchester. Therefore it seems that Kripke and others just might agree with my statements about Jared's personality and that the Page of Wands represents Jared in this particular case.

If you notice in this reading, The Hierophant (the card that looks like a hand) is pointing down towards the 7 of Swords. Along with the 3 of cups being next to The Hierophant, this suggests that secrets are being kept hidden from the public's ears regarding sexual orientation and feelings overall (many signs point to it... literally). I'm not going to go digging through the tinhatters stuff because there's frankly way too much of it ha ha, and I'm sure you Anon are aware of at least a lot of it (and others who are coming across this will probably know some things). It's interesting going across the reading on the other side is the King of Pentacles above The Emperor which to me points to Jensen and his dad, along with society's expectations of men like Jensen as a whole (thus the whole Christian family man image Jensen's trying to uphold versus the reality of things).

Now, onto the part where at least a lot of tinhatters are likely not going to believe what I say or will like me less for it. I'm not here to appease people's beliefs or tell them what they want to hear but I'm instead here to simply state what I've observed, my interpretation of this tarot reading, etc. If someone resonates with this cool but if not, well that's on them not me. The 7 of Swords card is one of the most dominant cards in this entire reading and very much sets the tone. This card as I mentioned earlier speaks of things such as betrayal, deception, keeping secrets, ulterior motives, and even getting away with something. Jensen has been called homophobic for multiple reasons, including his remarks regarding how Brokeback Mountain ruined western films for himself and also saying that Destiel is not a thing. I have heard of the saying that the most homophobic men are in fact in the closet and trying to compensate. As Dean Winchester once said "Of course, the most troubling question is: "Why do these people assume we're gay?" and Sam Winchester said "Well, you are kinda butch, probably think you're overcompensating." (interestingly the website however says "but I just think you're overcompensating). People also do say art imitates life (and sometimes seems to predict things), which I won't fully explain here why that is the truth with Supernatural and Jensen and Jared holistically, not just in a tinhatter's kind of way. It seems Supernatural really did model Jensen and Jared's relationship in many ways... at least, that's what we're supposed to believe.

Based on what I've been observing myself, have been learning via divination (and watching manifest), and what another friend and I have been learning via dreamwalking, a lot of what we're all seeing publicly is in fact smoke and mirrors. I do believe that some of the negative things that have happened between them did manifest in part as a result of Jensen acting upon hurt emotions, but also due to more self-serving ulterior motives on his part. I believe Prequel Gate (along with The Winchesters related posts happening while Walker was airing on multiple occasions) and YANA ring a bell for some people.

Regarding Prequelgate, I saw a Tweet of an old clip where Jensen specifically said "hell no" about doing a reboot as Dean after Supernatural ends and Jared confidently says "I'll answer that for him... NO". I agree with the OP that this didn't age well... This goes back to the 7 of Swords card. I agree with Jensen's critics, that Jensen is an opportunist who looks at every chance he can get to make money. Did Jensen genuinely believe he'd never consider making a SPN reboot as Dean, or did he intend to do so in the back of his mind all along? Clearly The Winchesters became the Dean Winchester show. I was given an interesting nudge a couple weeks ago to watch the movie Jennifer's Body in my divine hearing. I realized there are many parallels between Jensen and Jared, and Jennifer and Anita "Needy. In fact, I have concluded that the relationship dynamic between Jennifer/Anita and Jensen/Jared is in fact 100% identical behind closed doors.

Something else that's been bothering me lately as I'm doing this research. Now, I'm not sure what Jared's views were when Jensen decided to open the Family Business Beer Company physically in 2018 given the name was clearly a nod to SPN, 2 years after Jared opened San Jac Saloon in 2016. However, the FBBC LLC itself was filed and therefore was actually born November 5, 2014, which was 2 years before San Jac Saloon was opened. Did Jensen have plans of essentially "taking over" the Supernatural brand possibly for years and cashing in on it without Jared?

With regards to YANA, I noticed also in my research that Jared wanted to end SPN multiple times (from what I understand 2 of these times took place in 2008 and 2015) but was stopped from doing so by Jensen and perhaps others chimed in as well. Was Jensen truly concerned about Jared's well-being and just enjoyed working with Jared so much he doesn't want to stop and that continuing SPN (and therefore those big paychecks) was just an added bonus... or was Jensen simply acting concerned about Jared's well-being while having ulterior motives up his sleeve the entire time? Also why, just why would Jensen and Misha even go with the YANA nonsense? I mean some of the posts correlated with things like Jared announcing his return to Gilmore Girls, Jared's McDonald's commercial airing the same day a YANA video gets released, Jared getting his 3rd national corporate sponsor from Chevy again on the same day a YANA video gets released, etc. Honestly, this YANA businesses sounds an awful lot to me like another money grab. And don't sit there and say this was all the studio making them do it. At the end of the day, we all have choices. You can't really force people to do things they don't want to. Instead of choosing to say no to making YANA a thing, Jensen and Misha still went about it. Conforming to an authoritative institution's wishes (The Hierophant and The Emperor) for self-serving business and therefore financial purposes (King of Pentacles), eh Jensen?

I'm also interested in hearing from anyone why exactly Jensen reportedly made 50% more than Jared per SPN episode in later seasons (100k for Jared versus 150k for Jensen). The most logical explanation I could come up with based on research was Jensen got a director title attached to his paygrade after season 5, even if he wasn't actually directing the episode in question (directed 6 episodes in all). I suspect some favoritism may also have played a role, even if no one is saying it. I especially find it interesting that Kripke who was the original Show Runner for Supernatural initially didn't think Jared was smart enough to play the role of Sam Winchester. Sure, Jared certainly may have proven he is intelligent and therefore Kripke stood corrected on that tidbit; however, Kripke has repeatedly praised Jensen for things like his charisma (riiiight, go watch any interview of Jensen and you'll hear lots of umms, uhhs, and even inconsistencies between what he says from interview to interview), looks, charm, etc. It can't just be feeling overwhelmed or burned out with work as to why Jared wanted to leave SPN multiple times but didn't, nor does it explain why Jared had the breakdowns that he did in the past and why he was diagnosed with depression to begin with.

Edit: Adding this in because I believe it's very important to note here with the suspected favoritism and hostility on the set of SPN. Now, if this is remotely true at all, that Kripke got onto Jared's case "for having a bad day" and essentially holding production up over what some called "a hissy fit" back when he had his breakdown in 2007, oh boy am I now a big time Kripke critic. Also, Kripke overly praising Jensen as seen here is just absurd. Get it together Kripke, you're embarrassing yourself.

Now, for the other part of this reading the tinhatters are probably REALLY not gonna like... the Death card. Like I mentioned before, Death in the tarot isn't always about a literal death but is often times about the death of something and following that, the birth of another. This translates to things like transformation, change (and resistance to), inner purging, and endings. *Shudders* ENDINGS?! Like the so called "Jivorce" is really happening?! THIS CAN'T BE OMG! Chill out all... just a bit. I don't believe as Poseidon said that they will completely drift apart. However, there are only so many chances someone like Jensen will get from Jared as far as maintaining friendships and such goes. I also believe that with the physical distance that is presenting itself, a distance between them on a spiritual, psychological and emotional level will follow suit if it hasn't started already.

I briefly touched onto Jared's playful, youthful personality earlier when I explained my interpretation as the Page of Wands representing Jared and how this card has 3 peppers on it. I also touched onto Jared pranking Jensen by switching out the prop Ghost Pepper jerky with real Ghost Pepper jerky. The title of this episode is "Proverbs 17:3". The ESV Biblical verse says "The crucible is for silver, and the furnace is for gold, and the LORD tests hearts." According to bibleref.com, the meaning of this verse says: "Scripture often uses the metaphor of a crucible: a container used to heat metals to burn off impurities. Passages frequently apply this in the context of God testing, purifying, cleansing, or providing loving correction to His people (Malachi 3:3; Zechariah 13:9; Jeremiah 9:7; 1 Corinthians 3:11–15). The "fire" of hardships, persecution, or God's testing proves what parts of a person's life are godly and which are not". Interestingly, Jensen eating real Ghost Pepper jerky could in a metaphorical sense be compared to "turning up the heat" physically and is therefore the "crucible" here. I believe however with the way things did go for Jared with regards to the set of SPN, YANA, Prequelgate, etc. that it is Jared's heart that is being tested and that Jensen (equivalent to crucible here) is being tested physically.

I mentioned the 3 of cups earlier having a possible interpretation that "3's a crowd". Interestingly, the Page of Wands happens to have 3 peppers on it. Often times this card is a very positive one and indicates a time of celebration, friendship, creativity, and even hardcore partying. I believe however that while this card offers a silver lining in that things will turn out okay overall for all parties involved, it won't be the happy ending certain parties involved are hoping for. In this case, the said wishes for Jensen of being involved with Jared as more than friends, and also any and all current lovers and relationships. I personally think that it's partially true what tinhatters believe but it's alot more complicated than what people want to believe. I've generally held more positive views of Jensen in previous posts. I still believe there is some goodness in Jensen somewhere. However, based on learning more things about Jensen, looking at his mannerisms and especially when I went to the main panel physically at the Charlotte convention earlier this year, my views of him have admittedly shifted some. After noticing some things personally, what I felt in the room during the main panel along with what I've learned about their dynamic, I believe Jensen has a so called "dark personality" for multiple reasons that in itself is for another possible post. Jensen can advocate for Jared all he wants with words BUTt based on the events and funny timing of when things were announced/aired surrounding The Winchesters versus Walker and YANA, along with other things, his actions sing a very different tune...

I mentioned earlier that I believe Jared struggles with Imposter Syndrome with regards to the 7 of Swords card, which is apparently common in people who have anxiety and depression. Jared was diagnosed with depression as many of us here know. I believe the one who is transforming and changing here is Jared, and Jensen is who is resisting these changes. Provided that Jared's been given the greenlight for a fourth season while Jensen's The Winchesters was cancelled (and not to mention a lawsuit naming Jensen and Danneel came out of it), it seems Jensen did not listen to signs pointing to no (and therefore resisted changing his ways). I do believe that the way things went with The Winchesters being criticized heavily was the death of Jensen's life as he knows it... Given the Page of Wands is in the center of this reading, it seems many signs and things in this reading point to Jensen and in this case ultimately going back to Jared. According to this Tumblr post, Jared took with him from the set of SPN the fact it's not necessary to work 14 hour days. Based on how this post was written, from my understanding of things it was suggested that Jared wanted it to be clear that people can joke around with him and be comfortable around him despite being the boss. I may be misreading this but to me, this does imply that there could've been some mistreatment or passive aggressive type of behaviors on the set of Supernatural... or just like I said earlier in one sweet word, favoritism.

On a final note, I noticed that timing is everything just as Jared knew while timing his announcements with the AKF versus YANA business. The Emperor in my tarot deck is the boot looking card and the 7 of Swords card is depicted as a mouse holding knives. The day I did this reading (October 4, 2023) I happened to watch "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1" a couple hours before I did this tarot reading. In the first scene of the movie after the title screen and Peter is no longer a citizen of Earth, he is seen putting his headphones on and starts kicking around small creatures that stand only a little above his ankles (equivalent to the mouse in this tarot reading in the sense of being smaller than we are and both being seen as "pests") while wearing what appears to be rain boots prior to stealing The Orb from Morag. Peter Quill aka Star-Lord is certainly no conformist, loves his freedom, is obviously free-spirited, creative, and is highly receptive to changing for the better. On a perhaps more odd note, my guides have told me for a while now that I am essentially the real life female Star Lord (personalities being very similar, some intimate life details, many encounters with "other kinds", issues with educational institutions, leaving Earth [in my case via dreamwalking many nights, almost crossing over aka "ascending" off Earth multiple times, and almost physically once too over 10 years ago], problems with authority figures and discipline, and more). I'm not sure if this is true or not but as an added bonus, some websites including this one stated that Jensen auditioned for the role of Star-Lord/Peter Quill.

How interesting, given I received this particular reading on the same day I watched this movie for the first time since I finally understood why my guides kept saying "nope" for me screwing or fucking around", and would instead consistently say "you Fooled Around and Fell in Love"....

[hologramcowboy]

what is opinion Danneel disappearance on social media?

If we look back at her social climbing, we can definitely see a pattern. Danneel only approaches social media in the same way an arriviste would. In other words, she is waiting to have something to brag about.

When she tried to clean up her image she resorted to posting "mother of Jensen Ackles's kids"(her words not mine) images because she was aware that was the only thing that made her relevant in the public eye. However, because many pointed out the questionable parenting, she ended up deleting a lot of comments. She then switched to showing people what a "good person" she is by copying the posts of others and pretending to be an "activist". However, she never truly got involved in anything or informed besides a couple of self centered lives. (Remember when she used a black lives matter live to reprimand people or calling her out bevause she allowed her kids to whitewash MLK?) Over time, her lack of knowledge and involvement because more than obvious so she switched to "Executive Producer" posts. 🤭 Her title was a vanity one much like Jensen's and yet Danneel, with zero experience in production ( and no, making babies or a family does not count as production, Jensen 🤣🤦🏼‍♀️) tried to exaggerate her role. When the show failed, she lost bragging rights. 🤣

She built her entire identity as a celebrity and as a woman around cheating with Jensen, dating Jensen, landing Jensen and then getting pregnant with his kids. She feeds her ego with phrases like that autograph she signed "He's mine, bitches". (You can find it somewhere in the anti tags) So there really is nothing much she can post about because, unlike Gen and many other fulfilled actresses, Danneel has no personality of her own. Her identity is centered on being associated to Jensen. He was her ticket to fame after all. Nobody even noticed her or knew who she was until she started that online argument with Ted just to let everyone know she was sleeping with Jensen. Without him, her career would have died right after that showrunner creep cast her as Rachel.

Right now, due to the failure of The Winchesters and the potential lawsuit, she can no longer bank on that EP vanity title she landed through nepotism only and by no merit whatsoever. Aside from this, the inauthentic way both Jensen and Danneel tried to push their relationship has made many aware of the lack of chemistry and the gaps in their stories.

What I am trying to say is that Danneel is clearly a narcissist, she is waiting for something she can brag about in order to receive good comments (also known as narcissistic supply). When she makes posts and people bring up issues or opposing opinions (crazies aside), she immediately deletes those comments. Meaning she has an extremely fragile ego and a one sided view of herself. If something contradicts that view(which is highly exagerrated), she gets extremely angry and resentful. So you can absolutely bet that she will continue to be calculating when it comes to what she posts online. With the lawsuit looming she can't talk about TW so that just leaves her "family" life and since her main types have nothing to do with being a caregiver (not that she is one, the nanny does all the work), making personal life centered posts is not advisable. If she wants to revive her career, that is.

To be bluntly honest, I don't even care what she will post next. She's just not my cup of tea on any level. All she's ever done on SM is reveal how much she leeches on Jensen in every way and I have yet to be impressed by a post of hers, I love people with depth and she just seems vapid and calculating which obviously makes Jensen look really bad.

Note: This is just my view and my perceptions, please make your own conclusions based on your own view. 🧡

[incarnateirony]

I'm genuinely starting to think the bulk of remaining antis are a contingent of definitional sociopaths. The narcissism is so thick they can not compute the world outside of their perspective.

Worse, they forget other people are real. They don't think about what Robbie said about revenge or why he said it. So let me explain like you are five with undeveloped egos and morality and world comprehension.

You are Robbie. You have your interests. Comics, games, magic stuff, supernatural stories, and yes, the first DeanCas ILU even. You were pushed back against but kept fighting.

And the entire time not only are you fighting corporate and singer, but every lane is dogpiling him. Shippers yell queerbait when he calls Destiel canon in S10. Antis yell that he's an idiot that has no idea what he's doing so nothing can mean anything.

You went to college for this. You've invested decades of your career in this. This is your job, something you are good at, and nobody wants to actually listen to your voice. The people you're fighting for are telling you to fuck yourself and the people you don't like are all implying you're a fucking idiot that knows and means nothing he does says or writes.

Your greatest (gay) contribution gets dumped offscreen bloody in a bathtub essentially at studio demand, stuck in a contract as a dead man walking, only for the friends and new recruits the baton was passed to--Robbie's friends--only for the abuse to escalate against them as they continued to run the ball. And even after they almost landed it. 2 years later, still tearing it all down from every angle. Everything you and your friends ever worked on. And some of you are even shit talking those friends.

Again. You are Robbie Thompson, sitting in this chair. Now, your corporate muzzle is removed. The leash is removed and, frankly, even reversed. You get to do whatever the FUCK you want now.

What do YOU think you would do?

Be honest with yourselves first. Don't sit here trying to fight to make it work in a way that saves your own ass. Sit in Robbie's chair and tell me what you would fucking do.

Because that's what he's done. And it's time to start coping.

This. Is. Revenge. And Jensen's been in it since he hit the floor 15.18 and got fucked in the finale.

It's not my fault many of you in several lanes chose the wrong side of history.

[snailsrneat]

Hii your twisted wonderland matchup event seemed really interesting so i decided to sent in a request.

I'm female, she/her pronouns. I'm bisexual. My zodiac sign in leo and my MBTI is istp.

I’m ambivert, I’m self-confident, and honest but can also be ego-centric and domineering. I have to admit I’m a lazy person who prefers having a leisure more than anything else. I mostly spends my time as a stoic and a calm person and i might even come off as apathetic towards the world around me [even tho I’m not]. usually feel like i must control my environment, especially people, sometimes becoming confrontational and intimidating [according to my friend] I’m usually perceived as being insensitive because i generally prefer to deal with emotions in my own head rather than openly. I’m very laid back and usually moody but I also have a short temper and get annoyed pretty easily. I love attention but i also love being on my own. tbh I often think I’m above others, yet I am always willing to acknowledge that I’m a total piece of shit [sometimes] Sometimes i have fantasies and ideals that I want to start creating or becoming but i myself a reality check and let the dream fade away. I’m very innovative but still choose the practical route a lot. It’s easy for me to create goals and envision the end results but it’s ridiculously hard for me to remain committed to the process.I don't get jealous easily I'm pretty chill and laid back most of the time but if i do get jealous I'm very good at hiding it. Rather than being frustrated or trying to control the other person’s choices, I would put effort in bettering myself, to become the best version of me. I value everyone’s autonomy, so I reject the notion of owning another person and refuse to be possessive. What other person does is ultimately out of my control and i expect other not to be possessive towards me. [I really hope this is not too long i really tried to keep it short 😭].

Celebrity crush: oh boy there are so many but if i had to pick out few that i especially love then they'd be: Johnny depp, angelina jolie, Elizabeth Olsen, Marina & the diamonds, alex turner and Jensen Ackles;

Favourite food: i love pizaa [without pineapple] i also really love spicy and sour food. I'm not a picky eater I'm willing to eat anything you give me unless it's sweet or has a smell of egg.

I don't really have a favourite drink

Favourite song: teddy picker and 505 by Arctic monkeys and alleyways by neighborhood.

Favourite movies: i don't have a favourite movie but i really love horror genre.

Interest: currently I'm really interested in human psychology, typology, how to hex my math and physics teachers, anime, junji ito [especially tomie]

I really love watching movies and reading books especially horror and psychological genre [i also love fantasy genre]. I listen to music a lot and i can talk about hours about my favourite music genres and Artists without getting bored. Lately i started gaining interest in human anatomy even tho i have no interest in becoming a doctor. I also love studing about different mythological or fantastic creatures.

I'm very interested in greek and Egypt mythology.

I love studing and analysis different characters especially villains and anti-heros.

Appearance wise I'm tall 5'9, i have medium sized brown hair in layered haircut. I have brown almond shaped ayes with straight nose and heavy lower lip. I have beauty mark on both of my cheeks, on tip of my nose, corner on my cheen and one on left side of my hand corner of my palm near my thumb. I have warm Ivory skin tone. I usually dress in grunge, sporty or dark academia outfits.

You have been matched up with...

Trey Clover

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Y'all are the mom and dad couple for sure.

Like you are the goth mom and he's the sweet cottagecore dad.

Trey knows how to deal with moodswings, and is super gentle with you when your in a bad mood.

Plus he'll happily give you all the attention you want with out you even asking.

You got Trey into all the music you like and now he listens to all the time.

Trey loves listening to the music you like whilst he bakes, it's very soothing for him.

He'll happily watch all three horror movies you want, though at some he does get a little spooked seeing how excited you are to see it.

I feel like the you guys met was through Cater.

Cater and you are besties and he introduced you guys to each other.

When he saw how well you guys went together he began his mission on making you two a couple.

Cater is one of the sole reasons you and Trey are together, and he'll never let either of you forget.

Dates with Trey include picnics together, feeding each other mouth to hand.

He loves listening to talk about everything, from your music to your innovative thinking, to the reason why you never get jealous.

He loves everything that is you and hopefully, you feel the same.

[laf-outloud]

https://at.tumblr.com/deanisatopdom/yes-sams-a-real-selfish-asshole-is-basically/3tvhzs7phyoj

What are your thoughts on this? First I was surprised to see it was jackles who said this considering the show was focused more on dean for the longest time. Feels like he really does need to be the single lead by himself, would explain the whole The Winchesters mess

All that interview tells me is that Jensen doesn't understand basic storytelling and the role of a protagonist and supporting protagonist.

Did Sam think of himself? Sure, because he wanted safety, away from the family business. But just because the storyline revolves around one character for a while doesn't mean that the character is selfish. It just means the character has more of a story that needs to be told. Supernatural is Sam's hero's journey from overcoming all the obstacles to accepting his life and finally being rewarded with what he always wanted, a stable home life, but at a very high cost - the loss of the one person closest to him.

The fact that the Dean-centric storylines were the lowest-rated in the series should have clued Jensen in to the fact that people didn't tune in for Dean's journey. In fact, all the Dean-centric stories - purgatory, Demon Dean, Michael Dean - none of them produced any real change or growth in Dean. People were annoyed that you could barely tell a difference between MOC Dean and the real Dean the characters were so similar. Dean never really went evil, or had to suffer the guilt because of it. And by the end of the series, the only real growth Dean had obtained revolved around Sam and accepting Sam's autonomy.

I think there's some real insecurity there for Jensen to want to be the lead protagonist in SPN for so long and pushing for it even though it didn't serve the story. A secure actor would recognize their role as a supporting protagonist as being equally as important as the protagonist because it allows the audience to connect with the protagonist through the supporter's view. But, for whatever reason, he couldn't recognize Dean's importance to Sam's story and that's too bad.

And yes, I believe that insecurity has led us directly into TW, where it's becoming quite clear that the entire show is starting to revolve around Dean, thereby making Dean possibly the most important character.

[laurelwinchester]

J2 break up thoughts?

i think jared did what jared always does. he got upset because something made him feel small and he went to social media because he knows those fans will always always stroke his ego. he knew, as he always knows when he does things like this, exactly what he was doing. he knew what he wanted out of that. and he got it.

no one is talking about the spin off jensen and danneel have presumably been working really hard on, the thing that they were really excited about. they're talking about jared. he got exactly what he wanted out of it, which is what he always wants when he does this: attention.

this is the same thing he's done to random service workers in the past. this time he just did it to his best friend. and you know what? if this is who he is - and it seems like it is - then i can pretty much guarantee this isn't the first time he's done this to the people close to him. it's just the first time he's done it in public.

beyond that, i'm not sure i can even have an opinion on the deeper issue because i have literally no idea how any of this works. i don't know how a television show is made, what it takes, what can and cannot be talked about, how many people are involved, the time it takes to get there. i know literally nothing about that and i won't speak about something i have no knowledge on. that would be wildly irresponsible. i try really hard to be responsible with my words. especially as i get older. perhaps the rest of the spn fandom should try it sometime.

[lightofraye]

The audacity of her to tell Jensen to work. Why dont she move her useless ass and try to get a job herself instead of being the one who spends the money while doing absolutely nothing, she is useless, talentless slut. her head got so big because she got to use and abuse Jensen because he is the only person (and the children) she can exercise her control over and to feel like she worth something. Jensen with his ego and his lies is a better human being than she will ever be.

Hi anon!

You made me laugh so hard, it triggered a coughing attack. My work colleagues were all “You okay, Raye?”

Me, thumbs up, giggling.

I agree. Yes… Jensen’s done some crappy things (I’m sure others could detail it better than me), I acknowledge it, admit it, see it, and want to shake some sense into him over it—

And it would still not be nearly as awful as what this damned woman has done. In some of the still existing anti-Danneel blogs, it’s breathtaking what she’s done. I’m still processing. It takes time because I don’t want to overwhelm myself, I also have a life and a job and a family.

But I guarantee you… Danneel is not now nor ever worth stanning.

She’s just a greedy, vapid, shallow, abusive, narcissistic, horrible woman.

[eisforeidolon]

You know, after the upfront I was so so mad at Jensen that I became a borderline anti. But after going through the anti posts I was like... Nah, he is not that bad 😂😂😂. I mean I understand lashing out frustation on him for the shitshow of prequel he is producing- I understand if someone is still having issues with him for prequelgate... But the way new theories are coming up to prove how much of a egomaniac, entitled, backstabbing douche he is, I cannot take those seriously anymore... His ego being measured by his wardrobe choices for an event - him being taunted for posing as a star for a promotion, his every word and negligible slips taken in literal meaning to prove how big fat lier he is, him praising JDM becoming a proof of he doesn't praise Jared enough hence is jealous of him and how he doesn't deserve a loyal friend like Jared because Jared praises him in a more effluent way... It's funny and ridiculous.

I am so sorry for turning your blog in a wank blog. I feel ashamed as it looks like I am coming to you with a complain like a child. But there is hardly any place where I can get it out of my system and expect some logical replies, so please bear with me😂😂

Well, to be fair, I was already a wank blog. I just usually didn't really dive into the J vs J stan wank too much before.

I get that fans tend to over-invest and take things way more personally and seriously for way longer than seems reasonable to me. So I'm not surprised by others having lingering resentment over prequelgate. Heck, I myself am baffled by the choices being made in terms of the prequel itself - though my reaction is less "Ugh, fuck Jensen!" and more "Ugh, what the fuck are you thinking, Jensen?".

But yeah, when it gets to the point where people are dissecting literally everything the guy says for further proof of how deeply terrible he is, disdainfully analyzing his wardrobe and his doing publicity for publicity, and insisting that since he doesn't talk like Jared (which, duh, Jared has always been the effusively loquacious one) he can't possibly genuinely appreciate his friendship? With just zero apparent awareness that from the outside it is absolutely just as ludicrous as the others' stans picking apart literally everything Jared says/does/is? Oookay then.

[dotthings]

About that same bitter anti, TeamFreeWill2pointo, who poses as a TFW/J2M fan, who is really just bitter Sam/Jared stan, backdoor wincel, and passive aggressively brosonly (won’t come right out and say Sam and Dean are the only thing that counts on spn, but designs their wankbaiting to diminish the importance of everyone else and “it’s about Sam and Dean, so Cas can’t be important”) whose manipulative wankbaiting I just countered for their backhanding of Misha.

if you examine at their posting history post after post is also backhanding Jensen, same backhanded way, It’s a lot of “well actually” on how Jensen isn’t good at this, or Jensen isn’t good at that, and no actually Jensen isn’t this, and things like calling CMP a tax shelter or predicting the imminent demise of CMP. It’s a lot of word soup to avoid full on praising Jensen, and putting down Jensen and his work and his efforts and his skills. This is the same blogger who a while back said Jensen isn’t good at getting things done.

They don’t do this to Jared. Only Jensen or Misha. They don’t passive aggressively diminish Jared’s importance. Most of their rhetoric is designed to falsely inflate Walker over TW and GK and at the expense of other series like All American that are leagues above Walker both in numbers and creatively and for inclusion. (Not even in same zip code) and falsely inflate Jared over Jensen and Misha.

This is the same blogger who has been manipulating and using multiple lanes—they wankbait to appeal to different lanes. They have played at being a “Destiel shipper” while diminishing Destiel and canon at every turn, and recently outright said they don’t like it because “Dean is mean to Cas” and Sastiel is so much better. They have been bitter for a while that Destiel became the big ship in fandom instead of Sastiel. They’re also bitter that Destiel became the big ship in fandom surpassing w*ncest.

The same bitter blogger who has been wrong time and again over the years, then keeps wailing that the fans who actually have a much more accurate idea of what’s going on, who have called it right, are wrong.

They’ve been wrong about spn. They were wrong about the CW sale. They were wrong about TW. Everything. Again and again and again. Wrong.

The same blogger who has been spreading lies about the mod of the meta server I’m in, claiming grift where there is none, and spreading lies about every last one of us who are in the server. 2PO, give it up. We’re in the server. We know what’s true or not true. You’re lying. Stop lying. Stop the lies, stop your hate campaign. This isn’t healthy, 2PO. Move. TF. On.

The same bitter blogger who tried to doxx someone in the server, who has sent anons after the mod or at other members.

The same bitter blogger btw is friends with a clique of Jared stan con regulars of the type who become enraged because a Destiel shipper gets to ask a question in a m&g and who physically threaten Destiel shippers. Whose entitlement and egos have swelled and swelled. One of them is very often the one and only source of con panel videos. They’re part of this clique. They’ve bashed Dean on twitter. They mass blocked Destiel shippers just for existing. I don’t care if people keep using her con panel videos or not, I just think people should know what she is. Hey, if she wants to make those con panel videos available to all, so lanes she hates can use them for joy and to debunk the misinformation noise that comes from her own lane, let her.

The same bitter blogger uses their con regular friends who feed him m&g info in violation of NDA’s that they then post, in violation of NDA’s, and lie about what was said in the m&g’s. Forgetting that their little elite clique of con regular friends are not the only ones with enough resources to get into a m&g and that other fans Know Things too and know when they’re lying.

They have lied, repeatedly, about what Jensen has said in m&gs.

A couple of bitter hellers, who are either so bitter at spn, they’re willing to play footsie with that kind of Jared stan or for personal grudgewank reasons, get pulled into 2po’s narrative but I think almost no one is left outside of the anti-Misha, anti-Jensen, anti-TW, anti-Destiel, bitter bibro and brosonly squad core who buys into what they post, and even some brosonlies are sick of them and know what a snake they are to multiple lanes. But just in case, here’s your now semi-regular reminder.

The good news is the poisoned blogger is getting more and more desperate and doing more and more egregious misinformation and bitter post spamming and tipping their hand more and more just how bitter they are. They know they’re reaching the end of their remaining shreds of credibility and more and more people are sick and tired of the ceaseless grudgewanking, wankbaiting, targeted hate campaign, backhanding Jensen or Misha, and the lies.

They have a habit of tagging their junk takes onto actor tags and various show tags, which spreads the annoyance and the potential spread of misleading wankbait.

This isn’t an attack on them, I don’t wish anything bad on them, I’m just doing correctives to try to divert or firmly counter the wankbait mess and misinformation mill they willfully try to create. I hope they find something more joyful to put their energy into soon.

[hologramcowboy]

I started reading the anti elta posts recently. I’m convinced he loved her for a while considering how he talked about her with love and pride. But things changed and now I think he’s very unhappy. She’s always demeaning him in interviews and their marriage. Her controlling nature is obnoxious. Katheryn Winnick has a thing for him and will make a move, I’m almost certain.

Katheryn's micro-expressions do point to the fact that she is heavily attracted to him so who knows? It is Hollyweird after all lol, anything is possible. I don't think he ever loved Danneel, their marriage was a business arrangement from the get go. I think his ego loved the idea of marrying arm candy and that he had certain things to check off his list and she was at the right place at the right time and fed his ego. Jensen could never be in a relationship with a woman that challenges him or is smarter than him so he went for someone that was easy in all senses of the word but especially one. lol He basically married a centerfold with no personality and that is a huge red flag in my book.

[incarnateirony]

Hey douchebags. Feel that?

I told you years ago you were always putting in all the money and work from all the wrong angles. Have you really let it click yet, or are you too deep in denial to recognize what I meant, all these great many years? Because that's the one thing you still haven't let yourselves accept, but maybe when J2M's packages fully regress to make room for the new kids and new framework already controlling the market and the territory in which people even play these pathetic games evaporates, maybe then it'll click.

Jared stans can go to the new RICCs. Bye. Antis can cope or leave. Bye. A new generation of young fans get their time on the main floor now. It's your time to be B tier, if you bother at all.

This is called Reality hitting. Your years of aggression against and deletion of creatives is coming for you. They know who and what will help or hurt their franchise. And it's a new day for new stories, not old bitter assholes clogging it up for their own egos above the actual content. You're free to hate watch it to the end, as Jensen invited you to do, it helps the ratings. But when the real world market catches up, and you realize you're standing alone on an empty island, that's your problem to face, and a source of which YOU need to unpack.

And it all goes back to these same years of denial. All of the entitlement, years of delusional "connections" to people they paid for access to, gossiped bad interpretations of locked meetings, and thought those or the barest of coffee runners were "sources", no matter how many years it failed them. They're still not letting themselves accept they were just consumers of a now-dead market that's being replaced.

We're here.

Goodbye.

TPTB says so long and thanks for all the cash fish and millions of money spent into a system designed to consume your money.

Fucking suckers. All of them. Suckers that are now collectively like a hundred million dollars poorer than where they started. Biggest suckers right there. It needs a TV documentary. "How suzanne lost 3 million dollars on homophobia and sandwater."