#anti kallus

[antianakin]

It's probably been around a while and I just haven't encountered it before now, but the "yes everyone would have murdered a village down to the last child in that situation" take is a new one for me! Like would I have been justifiably upset in that situation? Yes. But what would I have done in that moment myself? Probably run. Granted I am not a person with a ton of unfathomable powers and a weapon I have spent a decade training to use that can cut through literally everything, but still. The argument that "well yeah EVERYONE would've done exactly what Anakin did" kinda falls apart when you think about it for two seconds because wow is that not what I would do when faced with being alone in the middle of an entire community of people who just captured and tortured my innocent mother for several weeks.

But it's also VERY hard to argue that this is even how everyone would react to this situation in Star Wars.

They literally have an entire arc where they explicitly have Obi-Wan's old nemesis who killed Obi-Wan's Master come to attack the home planet of someone he loves, captures her, and then murders her right in front of Obi-Wan with Obi-Wan helpless to save her. He then goads Obi-Wan into reacting in anger and Obi-Wan's reaction is to refuse to engage. He very explicitly refuses to even attack Maul because he knows he'd be reacting in anger and he's literally seen exactly where that leads before and overcome it. So when Obi-Wan IS put in an extremely similar situation, he chooses not to just go out and attack everybody as a result. He doesn't give in to his anger and fly to Dathomir to go kill every single Nightbrother on the planet as a form of justice for Satine, which is what this person is arguing is how literally anybody would react when placed in that situation.

Reva Sevander has every reason to despise Anakin, more reason than Anakin had to despise the Tuskens. And yet when she goes after Luke to try to kill him after she fails to kill Anakin, that becomes a line she can't cross. More accurately, it's a line Reva CHOOSES not to cross. So when put in that situation with all the same anger and grief as Anakin had with the opportunity to get her vengeance by killing an innocent child, Reva makes the active choice not to do what Anakin did. So while the impulse obviously was still there with Reva, she was fully capable of choosing not to go through with it. And Reva's been soaking in Darkness since she was about 8-10 years old, getting tortured and broken as an Inquisitor, surrounded by the corpses of her people, with zero support of any kind that she can turn to for comfort or guidance. Anakin had spent the last 10 years in a warm loving environment with people who cared for him and still had most of those people available to him to support him in this time of grief. And yet when faced with the same choice, Reva chose to pull back and let Luke live, but Anakin just kept going and massacred an entire village. It's a CHOICE, not an uncontrollable urge.

You know the only other person I can think up off the top of my head who DOES canonically have a similar reaction to Anakin's?

Aleksander Kallus.

Kallus explicitly states that he leads a genocide against the Lasat as vengeance for ONE Lasat killing a unit of Imperial soldiers in self defense. An entire species is nearly wiped out of existence because Kallus decided to let his anger control him.

But there are NUMEROUS other characters in Star Wars who we see lose people they love and proceed to not go on a murder spree against innocent people and children as a result. And the ones that do are pretty explicitly villains whose actions when in those situations are used to showcase just how villainous they are. Which indicates that it's NOT a normal reaction because otherwise it wouldn't really mean anything as a villain identifier. If it's something just about anyone would've done, it's probably not that villainous. The point of it NEEDS to be that most people WOULDN'T do that, even in justified anger.

[kanansdume]

One of the most delightful things about Andor is it continues to show why Kallus should not have been a Fulcrum, and why he is the worst Fulcrum out of our three known Fulcrums.

Ahsoka, for all her problems with attachment and hypocrisy she inherited from you know who, is a genocide survivor who chooses to continue to use the abilities she was born with to help those who cannot protect themselves from the Empire.

Cassian is ALSO a genocide survivor who ultimately recognizes that the Empire will continue to hunt him down no matter what he does or where he goes so if he has to die, then he'd rather die on his terms trying to bring them down than die the way they want him to. He spends the rest of his life giving everything of himself to this cause.

Kallus is someone who LED a genocide and only turns against the Empire because he figures out nobody in the Empire cares if he lives or dies and manages to be somewhat incompetent at the job of spy to begin with and causes the destruction of an entire Rebel base because he's stupid enough not to RUN when the Rebels risk their lives to rescue his ass because they know more than he does about Imperial knowledge of a spy within their ranks.

One of these is not like the others, and getting to watch Cassian's struggle against the Empire, the way they're so clinical about causing suffering and oppression to others, really just reminds you of what Kallus truly is and how unequal he is as a Fulcrum and a Rebel.

[mzminola]

Jason Todd would unhesitatingly kill Agent Kallus and I appreciate that.

[obsessed-and-depressed69]

I am so fucking scared for the rest of rebels (I'm at the start of season 2) because I've read so much about kallus' redemption and how they do it and it's just so weird??? how??? I know as much as I can about it without watching the episode where he gets redeemed??? like dude??? they have zeb forgive him??? for the genocide of his species??? (yes I know they didn't go extinct but STILL) he was set up to be a dick of a human??? and they redeem him??

[cross-my-heartt]

Kallus photobash edits! yes, he's a pretty boy, I take no criticism

fun fact: I did these before I'd even watched Rebels. also unpopular opinion but I prefer his hair slicked back hehe

(please don't repost/use without permission ty)

[archangelofzion]

This is the most beautiful Star Wars Rebels music video I’ve ever seen

[aro-ace-from-outer-space22]

Hey, so I know it’s Complicated, and that he becomes a Fulcrum agent or something later in the series and I literally just watched The Honorable Ones (for the second time) so I GET it, but I just think it’s kinda fucked that the biggest ship for Zeb is with the guy who participated in and initially claimed responsibility for the massacre of his people and destruction and colonization of his homeworld

[martianbugsbunny]

Kay babes, I already posted a salty kinda tongue-in-cheek thing about Kalluzeb, in context of *MANDO SPOILERS* Zeb appearing sans Kallus in the Mandalorian. Because in honesty, he should be on Lira San with Kallus enjoying retirement, but I have no beef with him doing whatever it is he’s doing other than the part where he’s doing it without Kallus, because that is a huge red flag for me.

I thought I would have to worry about the following issues when it came to Ahsoka, but I guess they’re either setting him up for an appearance in that or they’ve decided to explore his post-Empire story in Mando, which is fine. If ye be free of indignation about Kalluzeb/Zeb just being gay, read on! If you’re an apple riddled with the worms of homophobia or if you’re very strongly anti-Kalluzeb, then this is not the post for you, and I would rather you just left now than got mad at me in the comments.

I’m going to specifically discuss this in terms of Ahsoka first, because I’ve had this in my drafts for months, so I wrote it before Zeb getting no-homo’d was a present and immediate danger. This may not be the best-written I’ve ever produced, but it is fairly logical, so please take it in context of the first section being written months ago, and the last section as being written today, and then you’ll be sitting pretty.

So it’s basically common knowledge at this point that Hera and Sabine will appear in some capacity in Ahsoka, and probably going to be in contact with our queen herself. I have doubts that Zeb will be a significant part of the show; maybe a cameo here or there, or they mention him but he stays off-screen. If Hera/Sabine gets off a comm in the back of their spaceship and Ahsoka’s like “hey, who was that?” and Hera/Sabine says, “just checking in with Zeb,” there is a choice. And because I have no faith in anyone to canonize Kalluzeb, this is what feels much more likely to happen: The writers will either throw in a single line after that (such as Ahsoka replying with “oh, cool, how’s his wife?”) or there will be no mention of a spouse. And believe you me, there is literally no reason that Zeb, who would be off-screen at that moment, and whose Rebels ending involved no female Lasat, should have a wife for that throwaway moment. It adds nothing to his story and it would be completely out of nowhere, probably never to be explored again. Mentioning a wife would literally just be the galaxy’s biggest, flashing-neon “no homo” (or, in Star Wars terms, you might say that he got Zorii Bliss-ed). There’s no reason to do it. Not saying he has a wife technically doesn’t even disprove the concept that he might have a wife *sarcastic snort*. So if something like that does end up in Ahsoka, we all know why. There is legitimately no other reason to add in a throwaway line like that other than to disprove the concept of Kalluzeb. Or maybe just to disprove the concept that Zeb is gay. I would honestly rather they never mentioned Zeb at all, even in passing, than throwing that kinda thing in our faces. There is no reason to disprove it. Leaving Zeb with a slightly ambiguous relationship poses no problem. No plot hole. No loose end in desperate need of tying up. There is no reason to officially, explicitly de-canonize Kalluzeb or gay Zeb, because there is no significant woman in his life he might possibly have a solid, built-up, understandable relationship with, and because his most significant person (I would argue) is a man. I can’t say it enough. This is the test. Either we get Zorii Bliss-ed again, or Zeb gets to continue enjoying the grey space. (Because I don’t have enough faith in Filoni, the man who still has not made Ahsoka a splesbian [lesbian in space] to canonize arguably one of the most dramatic potential romances in Star Wars history. Even though Kalluzeb makes sense. Even though Kallus’s entire reformation arc is started by Zeb. Even though in his little screen time as a Rebel, it is still obviously Zeb who means the most to him out of all the Specters. Even though Zeb, who is often portrayed as being kind of rough, is much kinder and more honorable towards Kallus than he deserves, before they’re on the same side.)

In context of Mando, the same rules apply. There is no need to mention him having a wife. There isn’t any urgent need to even explicitly canonize Kalluzeb, other than the fact that Star Wars needs to improve its queer representation by leaps and bounds to get up to standards, and also that Kalluzeb makes a whole lot of sense. I am terrified of him existing in post-Rebels media because thus far, he is without Kallus, and with the way their Rebels storyline ended, there’s really no reason he should be. Kallus should be by his side.

UNLESS Kallus is A) currently enjoying retirement on Lira San, and Zeb is off-world for short periods of time every now and then but goes home to Lira San and Kallus or B) they’re saving Kallus for a moment when Kallus shows up late to whatever business he and Zeb have and we get a quiet, “hey, husband of mine” and there’s no fanfare, no Zorii Bliss situation, just two gay dudes being married and living their lives together.

This is it. This is where I find out if it’s even crossed Filoni’s mind (or the minds of other miscellaneous writers, but he really sticks to his characters) to leave our plausible couple be. This is where I find out if his viewpoint of *paraphrased* “it wasn’t my intention, but I won’t de-canonize it” (https://gizmodo.com/star-wars-rebels-producer-dave-filoni-is-totally-fine-w-1823593680) holds up if he’s going to explore characters close to Zeb (which includes Kallus) post-Rebels.

[gizkalord]

just saw a reddit fancast for jensen ackles as kallus.................. im screaming

[skyguyed]

Ugh I WANT to love kalluzeb I keep seeing this rad art but YALL, y'all, kallus' apology was SOOOOOO BAD and his on screen treatment of zeb in the show was just. Not it

[lifblogs]

Characters are allowed redemption and don’t need to be punished to the ends of the earth and back.

[antianakin]

I am proposing two alternate ships for poor Zeb whose only popular fanon love interest is apparently the dude who committed a genocide against his entire species and honestly Zeb deserves SO MUCH better.

The first is Chewie because, obviously. They've got a lot in common they can bond over!

The second is Rex because if I'm going to give Zeb a human love interest who was a soldier that has trauma in his past, it's not going to be the fucking fascist dickhole. Rex is RIGHT THERE, he's beautiful, he's strong, he's a sarcastic bastard with the best of them, he's loyal and honorable. Why WOULDN'T Zeb be interested in Rex? Plus, they could probably both use some stress relief and they often work together on the same team, so the proximity is helping my case here, too.

[kanansdume]

You know, somehow, I did not expect to come out of this rewatch actually having an appreciation for Vizago and realizing that Vizago actually fulfills the same narrative positions as both Hondo AND Kallus and manages it BETTER than both of them.

Vizago has a whole redemption arc of his own. He starts off selfish and unkind and only helps Ezra and the crew find Kanan when Ezra reveals that they’re both Jedi and Vizago recognizes the value of having a Jedi (in training) owe him a favor. But when Ezra later COMES THROUGH, it seems to change Vizago’s outlook a little and his very bloated attitude towards the Ghost crew that we see earlier on season one where he’s constantly screwing them over goes away a little. Ezra came through for Vizago, and yes, he’d owed Vizago a favor, but Vizago clearly didn’t entirely expect Ezra to do so. So it’s a pleasant surprise and causes Vizago to actually start looking at Ezra as something of a friend. To the point that when the Ghost crew needs someone to smuggle them back onto Lothal, Vizago agrees to stick his neck out to do so and it gets him big trouble and actually gets abandoned on Lothal by the crew. When they find him again, he thinks they’re there to rescue him and is understandably disappointed when he realizes they’re not, but the Ghost team has started to realize they can count on Vizago and do so once more and it pays off. Vizago never turned them in to the Empire despite being forced to do hard manual labor and even when discovering they had forgotten about him and abandoned him, still agrees to help them out and ultimately helps join their Rebellion until the end. He never leaves to do his own thing, he never just saves himself.

Vizago is a smuggler, a no-good thief, who is willing to help out a good cause for a price. Much like Ezra was when we first meet him. In this way, he parallels Ezra in the same way Hondo does, he’s selfish and out for his own gains all the time, unwilling to help anyone unless there’s something in it for him. Unlike Hondo, Vizago actually also has a connection to Lothal and becomes less annoying over time which makes his connection to Ezra more meaningful.

But through his connection to Ezra specifically, Vizago learns to be less self-serving and actually put himself out there to help other people because Ezra gives him reason to trust in the value of friendship. Like Kallus, Vizago starts off as a minor antagonist that’s pretty thoroughly unlikable and even dangerous to the Ghost crew, who has a single episode where he’s relying on one of the Ghost crew to save him and this experience changes his entire outlook. Unlike Kallus, I actually buy it with Vizago because Vizago’s crimes as presented in earlier seasons are fairly minor, he has less to redeem himself FOR generally, so he needs less time to believably turn around.

What an unexpected treat to get out of this rewatch!

[jessequinnfirstofhername]

The Rules:

Every twenty-four hours there will be another round. After every round, the character in last place will be eliminated.

If there are multiple characters tying for last place, there will be a special elimination round. In these rounds, every character in last place will be eliminated, even if all the characters have tied equally.

When there are only two characters remaining, they will face off against one another in a week-long poll to determine the victor.

If the character that you consider the hottest isn't listed here, hit the 'what about ___???' option and reply to this post with the overlooked character. The character with the highest 'write-in' votes will be added to the next round. Unless the 'what about ___???' option is the least voted for, in which case it will be eliminated. Welcome to the party, Han and Cassian!

This is all for fun. Don't take it too seriously ;)

We have our first casualty: Qui-Gon Jinn.

My apologies to all the DILF hunters.

Now, everyone please give a warm welcome to our two new options: Han Solo and Cassian Andor!

...and let's also acknowledge all of the studs who didn't quite make it:

Darth Maul, Commander Cody, The Bad Batch Boys (you get all of them at once or none of them at all), Jango Fett, Boba Fett, Kanan Jarrus, Lando Calrissian, Alexsandr Kallus, Klaud, Mace Windu, Chirrut Îmwe, Baze Malbus, Cal Kestis, General Grievous, Kit Fisto, Cad Bane (as a Cad Bane anti I refuse to acknowledge this submission), Bodhi Rook, K2-S0, Quinlan Vos, Ferus Olin, Eli Vanto, Garazeb Orrelios, Ruescott Melshi, aaand Brasso.

You know… I have a sneaking suspicion some of those entries might’ve been jokes…

Anyway! Onwards to Round Two!

[clonebrainrot]

Steve Blum returned to voice that imperial officer during the episode. I could have sworn it was him but had to check the credits.

Ironic that he comes back when anti Kallus joins the batch. Or maybe not ironic.

[mayawakening]

Headcanon: Zeb smells like a wet dog.

Like, if you've seen his live-action appearance, you know this man is insanely fluffy, look at his arms. Have you ever bathed a large dog or cat before?

Animal fur takes a ridiculous amount of time to dry, even if you have a hair dryer for them, plus everything they touch instantly becomes damp.

Now imagine how uncomfortable it would be as a sentient humanoid coated in thick fur to have to get all of that wet. It would be so much heavier, and it would take forever to work soap into and then rinse out.

Then imagine doing that where there may or may not be a hair dryer available (if Sabine is being nice). For a 6'8", 250ibs guy, it could take HOURS to dry off enough that whatever clothing you put on isn't instantly soaked, not to mention how cold and uncomfortable it would feel in the process. Really the only other option is to sit naked on top of the ship and air-dry.

So the big guy probably doesnt shower until its absolutely necessary, because its an incredibly long and uncomfortable process for him.

Add onto that the fact that he probably DOES sweat a fair amount in combat and you got a kinda funky smelling lasat.

I like to think Kallus starts helping him bathe/scrub clean/towel dry him when its reasonable to, and gets him some of those anti-bacterial wipes that pet stores IRL have for dogs to help cut down on the funk.