#anti viserys targaryen

[witchy-v1xen]

There's not a day when I won't feel sorry for her. He never deserved her or any of his children. Ironically, he killed Aemma for a son only to eventually gain not just one but three and neglect them. He traumatized a teenage girl for the rest of her life, using her and leaving her in the dust like she wasn't shit.  

[shvroyism]

Alicent’s voice when she says “he is your son Viserys, your blood” is just permanently stuck in my brain and in my heart. Imagine having to beg your husband to care about his own kid after he literally lost an eye.

She is better than me, I would’ve pushed Viserys into the fire.

[queen-helaena109]

I've seen people say that when Aemma was alive, everything was good and everyone was happy.

And I'm going to say, That's a load of shit.

Ask yourselves: Was Aemma happy as well? because nobody seems to consider her.

For almost 20 years, she had the burden of providing the heir for the throne in an age where heirs and spares die, whether it was natural or not. She was pregnant seven times: one surving child, two miscarriages, two stillbirths, and one child that survived for one day. Do you think it was Viserys who they pinted the finger for those failures of not producing a sion? No! It was Aemma. By the time she was pregnant with her seventh child, the one that would kill her, she was tired, heartbroken, and just gave up, even though she felt like a disappointment for failing her husband and her duty as Queen.

Stop using Aemma's name when you want to bash young Alicent. Because that's the only time they bring up Aemma in a conversation. Because she just Viserys' wife in your eyes. Not the woman who suffered from the selfishness of men and had the same fate as her mother.

Or Rhaenyra? Do you think she was happy as well before Aemma's death?

She was in the shadow of a brother who didn't exist for almost all of her life. Viserys made his own daughter think that she was a failure just for being a girl. It was only until he took her mother brutally away from her and his brother made a sick joke about it that he finally decided to say verbally to her, "Hey, I love you, kid! Sorry, it took this long for me to notice! You are now my heir!"

Nobody was happy. Viserys was perhaps happy, fueled by a stupid dream, and Daemon was as well, because he was first in line.

[hightowersbeacon]

Can't stand Rhaenyra's and TB's hypocrite ass like they accused and hate teenage Alicent for comforting (nonsexual) Viserys on her father's advice and prodding and how they as in both the characters and their stans refuse to empathize with Alicent because she was asking for it or she deserved it

and hate/dislike child Aemond for claiming Vhagar saying he stole her and disrespected Laena's memory and victim blame him saying he deserved getting his eye slashed for his actions

BUT when adult Rhaenyra has sex with Laena's husband ON the day of her funeral on the BEACH (her sister in law & cousin who she grew up with) then its ok... they were celebrating Laena blah blah blah

Not to mention they had Laenor fake his death so they could get married.. I felt so bad for all their children at that moment, even at their Valyrian wedding (not a respectable mourning period I'm sure), all children looked so fucking miserable.

she's such a hypocrite, she lives in her own delulu bubble I swear 😭😭😭she's like one of those white liberals who only cares about an issue as long as it affects her.

(also something something about Alicent's eye for eye was her being cruel and dramatic Rhaenyra's son for son was her being in mourning her son and completely justified oh well)

[playlistashton]

One thing i love about Criston is how he is constantly contemplating regicide

You know this guy has dreams of pushing Viserys down the stairs

[thesunfyre4446]

Catelyn raised five children & they ALL turned out to be good people. She was an infinitely better parent than Alicent ever was, there’s just no comparison.

Meanwhile, Alicent gave her sons every possible social and political advantage growing up, but never bothered to discipline them in any way or teach them how to lead effectively, with the result that Aegon II and Aemond grew into, respectively, a lazy, incompetent, unlikable, and gluttonous sex pest and a psychotically violent and bloodthirsty mass murderer who murdered his nephew the first chance he got, destroying any chance of a peace treaty between the two warring factions and leading the Blacks to (rightfully) retaliate in similar fashion. Aemond slaughtered the entirety of House Strong (including the children) under the mere suspicion of one of them being a traitor, nearly strangled a squire who brought him news that displeased him, and used Vhagar to reduce the Riverlands to smoking piles of ash. Her father, brothers, daughter, two other sons, and grandsons were all killed, but Aegon II survived, fed Rhaenyra to his dragon, and claimed the Iron Throne... and he proceeded to accomplish absolutely nothing and would rule for less than a year before he was fatally poisoned by his own supporters (after he decided to go along with HER suggestion to mutilate the young Aegon III, rather than stand down in the face of an enemy army he had no hope of defeating), making the death of every single Hightower for naught. In the end, Alicent did everything in her power to make her son a king, but it meant nothing because she didn’t raise him to be a man worthy of a crown.

gurl. GURL

alicent is only similar to cate because they're both highborn women fighting for the rights of their children relying mostly on their wits. you've just sent the same long detailed ask about how much you hate alicent. we get it, you hate alicent, aegon and aemond. do you need me to validate your feelings? what is this ask even for?

and how can you compare alicent to cate? cate had a loving and supporting husband, who respected her and loved the children they had together. alicent was married off to a sick middle aged king when she was 14, and was forced to have his children without anyone to support & guide her. viserys was a horrible father, and had a major role in making aegon and aemond turn out as they did. he ignored them, neglected them, he forced unwanted s*x on their mother. ned loved his children, respected his wife, his family was everything to him. his children idolized him. the stark kids grew up with parents that loved and respected each other, the targtowers grew up with a stressed out teen mom and a neglectful father that had no love or respect for his wife.

i hate it when people fail to acknowledge viserys's neglect of his sons and how it affected them and blame everything on alicent - who was a child herself when she gave birth to them.

[crimsonbastard]

The way people use Aemma Arryn's death to justify the hate Alicent gets needs to studied.

Aemma Arryn was used as a broodmare since a young age, married to a man older than her. She was put through multiple pregnancies, miscarriages and stillbirths against her will and when time came, she didn't even get the dignity to die in her own terms. She was gutted like a pig as she got held down, as she begged Viserys to stop. All because Viserys wanted a Son.

Alicent also marries a man who's far more older, old enough to be her father, the man in question being her childhood companion's father, someone who watched her grow up alongside his daughter. She too goes through multiple pregnancies; anyone of them could've been her last, anyone of them could've resulted in her meeting the same end as Aemma. But she doesn't, she in fact bears Viserys THREE healthy sons. Viserys gets THREE of what he killed his first wife for and he neglects them.

So what's the difference between Aemma and Alicent you might ask? Well according to some TB members Aemma Arryn suffered with class or grace as she fulfilled her queenly duties, like the High Valyrian Queen she is.

A stark contrast to the "Filthy Low Class" Alicent Hightower with her "inferior genetics" who wanted Viserys to give a damn about the kids he had with her. How dare Alicent Hightower want what was the best for her children? Only Rhaenyra gets to do that! How dare she show any agency or ambition instead of sitting in the corner and let the "rightful queen" walk all over her and her children.

How dare she get mad when her son got bullied for not having a dragon? How dare she loose her composure when that same son losses his eye because he got attacked by those same bullies? How dare she attack Rhsenyra the "rightful heir" when she latter asks that her now freshly mutilated son be sharply questioned Why can't she just roll over and die?

[redrosesandcharmingsouls]

A discourse that bores me is the “Alicent treats her kids like Otto treated her “ cause it’s really much more complicated than that .Yes Aegon is forced into a role that he doesn’t want like Alicent ,but it’s about keeping someone you love safe instead of selfish ambition .Yes ,Helaena is forced get married and bear children young but has Alicent any choice in that matter ? Marrying in the family and having to bred at thirteen is the costum for House Targaryen and honestly ,it’s the safer option for Helaena .What if Viserys (the one in charge) marries her to Jace or to a family sympathetic to the Blacks ? That would make her a hostage .At least Aegon isn’t Helaena’s abuser .Yes ,her children grow up too fast since they are forced to see the realities of their situation ,but isn’t it the only way to make them more equipped in life ? Isn’t this mostly Viserys fault since created the situation these kids are in?

[radicalsansa]

You know what, I wish that Alicent had killed Viser*s. So what? Good for her.

[alicentes]

The minute V*serys told Otto that he knew Alicent only came to spend time with him after Aemma died was because Otto sent her there for his own interests and yet he continued with their private visits knowing the 15 year old girl was only spending time with him because of her father i was like 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

[2rats1gogh]

I hate how TB thinks it’s okay for Visery’s to be an shitty father, as long as it isn’t to their sweet Rhaenyra. If roles were reversed and Visery’s abandoned her in favour of his new family and maybe one of her son’s eyes was taken by Aemond and he stuck up for Aemond’s and ignored the lifetime injury on rhaenyras son then you know that they’d be on his ass and Aemond’s. It’s like they don’t think child abandonment is trauma…

LITERALLY THIS

I hate Viserys and I hate his fans even more like

He is literally a shitty father to EVERYONE if you think about it really. He might’ve loved Rhaenyra but he never really cared that much about what would actually happen to her after he dies. He never taught her anything about ruling, never prepared her for the responsibility, etc.

He ruined all his children’s lives pretty much

[venusintheblindspots-blog]

A Rant on Viserys Targaryen

His Hypocrisy

The poor dialogue and character inconsistencies in the later seasons of Game of Thrones is well talked-about, but House of the Dragon isn’t exempt.

Starting off with these two scenes here:

Viserys in these scenes could almost be a good man. Almost.

For those who may have forgotten the context, in the first scene, he confronts Daemon about the rumors of him sleeping with Rhaenyra in a brothel. Now while there are underlying issues including personal conflict with his brother, the problem that Viserys has with Daemon and Rhaenyra’s alleged affair, in his words is: She is just a girl.

In the second scene, he’s speaking to his possible bride-to-be, Laena Velaryon. The conversation between them is seemingly casual at first, as they spoke about the dragons Vhagar and Balerion. It only shifts after Laena repeats what Corlys, her father, would’ve instructed her to say. Viserys asks her afterwards what her mother told her to say to him, which was, “I wouldn’t have to bed you until I turned fourteen”.

Around the timeline of the first scene, Rhaenyra was eighteen years old. In the second scene, Laena was twelve years old.

Now according to Viserys, both of these girls are just girls.

Yet his wife, Alicent Hightower was fifteen years old when he’d married her.

I’ve seen a lot of defenses for Viserys since the airing of Season One of House of the Dragon, and most of them discards him of any blame or wrong for the grooming and abuse of Alicent Hightower.

His Incompetence

This particular scene is where I started to root for Rhaenyra Targaryen.

The Small Council are having a meeting when Corlys storms into the room, upset about the loss of his ships and men, due to the attacks from the Triarchy.

Viserys and the rest of the lords that make up his small council disregard his concerns, with Otto Hightower even reminding him to watch his tongue.

Let’s take a look at this map here:

The Stepstones are the little islands that fall between Westeros and Essos. Anyone doing trade from the free cities of the southern coasts of Essos to anywhere in Westeros or even the northern part Essos, will more than likely have to pass through or near the step stones.

The wealth of House Velaryon in House of the Dragon can be accredited to one man, the Sea Snake, Corlys Velaryon.

Was he a bit(lol) disrespectful in that scene? Yes, he was. But his concerns weren’t petty or unimportant. He built his house’s wealth on trade. Everybody, including Viserys, would’ve faced consequences in a few years, if not months, had the Triarchy been allowed to continue their raids.

Now I mentioned that a lot of my support and empathy for Rhaenyra came from that scene, mostly because of how Viserys dismisses her after she gave a suitable solution to a problem that would’ve affected his kingdom.

If he’d started incorporating her into these meetings, allowed her to interact and become familiar with the small council, she would’ve been a force to be reckoned with.

That scene is why despite him naming her his heir afterwards, I don’t truly believe Viserys was an act done out of honor or duty, but rather him trying to fix the tension between him and the wife he’d killed, Aemma.

The relationship between Viserys and Rhaenyra is one that is glorified by a vast majority of the fandom, but he still failed her, his wives, his children, his brother, etc. (I will address this in part two).

[lovl3igh]

alicent as a mother is always so intensive subject, cause where tg refuse to admit that alicent was a bad mother, tb don't give her justice in reasons why that happened (it's not general, both teams has exceptions ofc)

tg defend her saying it's not her fault, she was used, she didn't want those children, they forced her, but was it said otherwise? yes, she was bad mother because of her own trauma and assault she experienced but she was still a bad mother. having an "excuse" don't change that

and not every time that someone said she is not a good parent, they need to add why. no need for assuming that person who says it, doesn't know the reasons. they can say why alicent became bad parent or the way alicent shows bad parenting or that she is just that, bad mother, they can say all of it or just one thing. all of that coexists

before I'll start: there's most stuff from the show, but there's book spoilers, maybe that will be also show cannon in the future, I dunno, sorry for mistakes, english is not my first language

we have evidence of her being basically sold by her father, sa'd by viserys, forced to birth one child by another. she was motherless child forced to becoming a mother before she was ready. she was not a fan of her children, we see her unhappy with them, and when she speaks it's about dry facts like the labour and not her feelings. she does not care for them that way, which is fine bc she not wished for them and she's still a child herself, but that's a fact

we see her later with her kids and again we cannot say she became better while becoming older. she sees them as her duty (her worst enemy), her responsibility and also (admit it or not) way to put rhaenyra down. otto said to her way before jace was born that he wants aegon on the throne, he already could be accused of treason but alicent remained silent and later she acts the same way. she puts on aegon big pressure, responsibilities and also involves him in act of treason (because again she thinks it's her duty to the realm)

what's more she abuses him physically and mentally. we see her beating him more than once, screaming or neglacting him (all of that are forms of abuse). blames him for aemond's losing an eye while it was her responsibility to watch her kid or a servant and guards', not his (you can say also viserys', there was never a dispute if he's a good father, we know he isn't, it's about alicent only discussion then)

aegon in his 20s has to ask his mother if he's being loved, how sick is that? that he drowns in need of attention? (you can say he deserves all of this but the truth is alicent - and viserys ofc - failed to raise him well and now she fails to punish him, cause he should be sent to the wall, instead she beats him and let's him be a monster to another girl, now as a "king". all not to protect him but to protect his reputation, all she does there is bc of her sense of duty)

helaena hates being touched by her own mother, why wouldn't she? child bride alicent did the same to her daughter, knowing what a menace her son is. she does not understand haelena, she forces her to early marriage, childbirting, unhappy life. (and be fr, haelena might not like touching generally but 1. it's speaks even worse about alicent who touches her againts her will and married her to sexual predator, 2. she didn't mind being touched by jace who not really knowing his aunt was far more gentle)

absence of daeron would say more about their relation if not for long time skips, the truth is sending away little child is a form of neglacting however we do not know if they were in touch and how often. i know it's a common practise, i am glad that baela was at least sent to her loving grandmother in her later childhood, but I still do not like the whole ward thing and i won't comment on it in daeron's case, cause we did not see it here how was it done

I will speak about aemond x alicent relation though which is by far the most interesting. he is the only one we can say that he loves his mother and cares for her which doesn't automatically means she was a good mother for him. for the dynamic he observes alicent needs protection from men around her (rightfully so) and decides to lie to the king to protect her. not only he usually lives meeting her expectations (ekhem ekhem not anymore ig) but can initiate his actions to please her even if that means he'll go against his own wishes (searching for aegon to make him a king)

the fact is he was much miserable for not having dragons AND for being bullied. yet two things we have: first alicent as queen could easily arrange aemond going to dragonstone to claim dragon or take rhaenyra's deal to have syrax's egg. second - she blames velaryon boys as if she wasn't the one who destroyed good relations between kids and as if aegon weren't bellwether for bullying actions (YES, JACE AND LUKE ARE GUILTY TOO, but we discuss here alicent dynamics with her kids, so I point her fault right now) and she raised one child to bully others, his own siblings

then we have the children's fight and aemond loses his eyes. one of the best scene when alicent attacks rhaenyra, 10/10 love everything here. that's gonna sound harsh but alicent's behaviour here screams about duty too. it shouldn't at all, her child just lost his eye, her priority should be to comfort him. instead she wants rhaenyra to take responsibility for having bastards (that's not the case), aegon for not taking care of aemond (it's her responsibility), viserys to admitting her own sacrifices weren't for nothing. she put here herself and her needs above aemond, she used his wounds to attack rhaenyra and her children (no, I do not say she didn't care aemond got hurt, don't put words in my mouth)

"if the king won’t seek justice the queen will" she wants so called "justice", but stated by her only, where's justice in taking child's eye after accident? would she also break aemond nose for "justice"? if he'd killed luke or jace, would she call for killing aemond? it's not caring mother, it's the queen wanting revenge cause she doesn't like princess' privileges (and also privilege that bastards here have). she calms down when she realizes that she went too far, "neglected her duty", that's not aemond's doing (and also fcked up that her assaulted child feels that he needs to calm her down)

"she was ready to die for her children" desperate actions in the worst scenarios to not matter that much with previous behaviour, especially since her children were doubting if she would do that for them in the first place (that ig you can take as opinion, but if mother abuses child for years how much does it counts if she gives up her life for this child?)

regarding rhaenyra she doesn't understand a good mother patterns as well. she either doesn't care nyra will suffer or doesn't understand that mother who just gave a birth to a child, will not send it away even for a second. she doesn't care or understand mother will not allow for taking her child's eye for "duty". she doesn't understand that bastards are not any less worthy of love. her view of motherhood is sacrifising herself, not enjoying what she can

perhaps she did not know any better, her mother was a child bride (forced by old pedo otto) just like her, she did the same to helaena and unfortunately later that happened to jaehaera. she was abused in many ways but later also became an abuser. and all that because she thought life is about duty and sacrifice. she had every reason to be bad mother and she became one but that it should be seen as a fact while some of you see it as an opinion and criticism

if you read all of that - seven hells okay

[blackcat419]

Viserys: I once had a silver horse that had a brown fowl with a black stallion.

Alicent; have you ever seen two silver horses have a brown fowl though? Cause that’s our situation, not your dumb one.

[maid-with-sunset-in-her-hair]

Viserys didn't actually care about any of his children, not even Rhaenyra. He named her his heir, but whatever he wanted had as much weight as a fart, because the king isn't above the law and Westeros used male-preference primogeniture as common law for inheritance for thousand of years. But like, the king can pass new laws? Queen Nymeria managed to change Dorne’s sucession laws to absolute primogeniture, allowing women to inherit before their younger brothers, and she was a refugee from a different culture without connections to the local lords. Viserys was a king from an established dynasty and had the support of the Vale, the Velaryons and dragons, I’m pretty sure he could’ve managed to change the inheritance of the Iron Throne if he wanted to. So, why didn’t he? Well, because he would lose (some of) the power he’d over his family. By keeping Rhaenyra’s position unsecured, he could dangle the possibility of naming Aegon II the heir like a carrot to control Alicent and her children, and then use it as a stick to force Rhaneyra to do what he wants, like marrying Laenor. Because even if Viserys never said it out loud, the threat of being desinherited was always underneath.

[thesunfyre4446]

viserys : is angry at daemon for hooking up with Rhaenyra because she's "just a girl"

also viserys : is married and has 2 children with a alicent, who is rhaenyra's age.