#antifandom

[vampsoda]

*gazing out window chin resting on my hands* so many fans of homestuck do not actually like homestuck...

[weaselbeaselpants]

Since I don't want to link it back to two scenarios so...um...immediate, I'll just say; the "Suffering just makes you hurt"-mantra is one I def subscribe to in day to day life, even in small, trivial' things like fandomwars.

I had a person get pissed at me once cuz I defended antishippers. They explained and showed me how they'd been harassed and abused by antis for no reason other than calling themselves a proshiper - no, NOT for actually liking anything with r@pe/cest/p3doshipping - just Reylo *in theory*. They got treated like a literal predator not for anything they actually did but for the title that genuine creeps have decided to use for their kink as this person did for their safe shit and they got blasted for it....and then this person proceeded to call me a cword and accused me of condoning their abuse by proxy of me saying " I don't think antis are inherently evil, actually".

I get it. When you put up with harassment from people touting their selfdeclared fandomom as some kind of badge of honor, of COURSE I understand turning your back on everyone who calls themselves that same thing! That's just, like, a survival instinct. You don't want to be reminded of your tormentor(s) because you really shouldn't have to be reminded of your tormentor(s) while you're browsing fandumb inbetween school or work. You want to keep your tormentors at bay so no triggering shit ppl are romanticizing or covert bigotry someone's hiding under the language of criticism to get in the way of your vibes when this is your fandom and your space to be creative and unwind and be you. I really get it.

The problem is, and the reason I DON'T put up with antianti or antiproshipper shit, that's labeling a whole lot of strangers inherently bad over not having the exact fandom takes and conflating that with your legitimate ethics of outing predators and bigots...THAT is what's shitty.

I know for a fact that not all the people who tag their shit #proship even fully agree on what proship means. I know they are not all predators or even don't care about predators being in their fandoms. Trust me, they care. Some of the #antiship folks I know are the most lax mf w it comes to content warnings, horror, kinks and nuance and also really hate call out posts and want to avoid them as much as they can. I know they are not all self-righteous prudes and bigots trying to get kink out of pride or some shit. THAT SAID- if I haven't already seen creepypredatorybs from proshippers or bigotedbully-tactics from antis, I can definitely believe those things exist in those spaces. But again, those behaviors exist whether or not a person uses these self-given labels. You shouldn't throw your hands in defeat anymore then your shouldn't declare yourself the sole liberator.

Blocked the proshipper-stan I was of talking about because I kind of don't like being called a cant and told I'm okay with death threats...just like I did the antishipper who was sending me death threats that same day =). I know I don't have to deal with that bs and I'm glad I took that advice from a mutual abt my own personal boundaries.

Call out shitty behavior all you want, but the absolutist-rhetoric is not healthy and, more importantly, not doing anything to help people being abused by fandomculture anymore than you were when you first got accosted for disliking a thing that made you upset/liking a thing that made someone else upset. You gotta share your fandom with everyone so long as they're not bigoted, abusive or predatory. And yeah, I kind of reserve all those notions for people I can tell ARE doing those things...so, y'know Lily Orchard.

[sjbattleangel]

Double D facts book: "It's perfectly fine to dislike something and criticize it. Just know that anti-fandom/hatedom isn't real political activism."

[salty-dracon]

clove is literally the zoomer of all time i LOVE them they're HILARIOUS

[retconsatlightspeed]

If there's one thing dipping into anti-fan content will teach you it's that straight white conservative nerdboys find themselves completely unable to relate to characters who aren't just vessels for powerfantasy. Everyone else in the cast are just props to facilitate that fantasy, which means that any moment those people are on screen is effectively dead air.

It's not only a fundamental lack of empathy, it's a failure of imagination, an inability to ask even the basic question of play/theatre: "what if I was someone else?"

Meanwhile I (as someone with an ability to care about things beyond my own ego) had a GREAT time with The Acolyte, because this show was fucking great and a large part of that was thanks to the stellar performances that kept me hooked through the initial buildup. I didn't need to see myself in the show when the show itself had my rapt attention week to week.

"Good" Acting

i have a theory that a lot of people say acting is "good" when they're emotionally moved by it, and a lot of cishet white people have a lifelong habit of not listening or empathising when minoritised people speak, so minority actors get called "bad" even when they display some pretty fucking amazing technical skill

[sniffanimal]

they call me spoilers georg on account of how I read the wikipedia article for everything before I watch/read it

[mistermistyyy]

This is 100% true, and you should do it, but you don't even need to install an ad blocker for this! Simply replacing "fandom" with "antifandom" in the URL will replace it with a version with a layout designed to be used like an encyclopedia and not a billboard of GPU-munching commercials with a tiny view into the encyclopedia

introducing fandomfixer: a uBlock Origin (and really any adblocker) filter list that fixes fandom by removing all suggested content, popups, annoyances, and more! basically just a wikipedia style layout without the infamous yellow sidebar. download here :3

[cornmazehater]

im so deep into homestuck hell that i have started givin aspects and classes to my ocs

and it is a PROCESS

[discircuit]

[nuttysaladtree]

Instead of clicking the link, I copy it and change the "fandom.com" part to "antifandom.com". The resulting URL redirects to a site that mirrors Fandom without the ads, banners, etc.

damn, I love fandom wikis. rly wish the site was fucking usable

[franki-lew-yo]

Mouthwashing and fandom discourse as a whole.

So I recently explored the tag for Mouthwashing after watching two no-commentary lets plays of the entire game. I'm seeing a lot of posts pointing out how annoying it is that this game has a fandom and that this fandom is doing fandom things and stanning/"uwu-ing" characters from this incredibly nuanced, raw and not-fandom friendly piece of art. To paraphrase someone I just saw "you don't want mouthwashing; you want Among Us ocs but darker". And

for a moment I wanna talk a bit about how I absolutely agree with this statement while also talk for a moment about how and why fandom and catharsis fan fics exist and shouldn't be shamed inherently. Or, I guess, not in theory.

The "come on! Stop trying to make everything shippable/cutsey/memey/have a happy AU and face unpleasant emotions someone's trying to tell you about!" is SUCH a vibe with me. I felt this way in the 9 fandom a lot as a kid and that was just 9. Mouthwashing is like 9 on bathsalts emotions and theme-wise. It's a game where you play as both the flawed but caring captain of a doomed ship who's life becomes a Johnny Got His Gun-nightmare, and also a deplorable, hateful piece of garbage who got himself and his friend in that nightmare situation to begin with. Both characters, moreso Jimmy but Curly too, are the causes of their own misery. They're complex dealing with one of the two committing SA and doing nothing really about it/dodging the responsibility and humanity needed to support the victim whom they've wronged.

I fully admit it's groan-inducing seeing people be shipped up Anya with anyone on the ship considering what happens to her. On a pure pr level I think it would be illegal even since romance between coworkers in a workplace is considered conflict of interest/harassment as it so often is. (NOT that what Jimmy did to Anya is 'romance'. I'm talking about the shipping of Anya with the other three guys. I know there's people out there who do ship Jimmy/Anya; you don't have to tell or show me I believe you and also I already hate it.) It's ALSO groan inducing to see people ship Curly and Jimmy considering all Jimmy does to him- and just the fact that this incredibly tragic, toxic one-way-gone array friendship is reduced to "toxic yaoi teehee". It's annoying AT BEST.

I get the hostility towards fandom-tastic stanning and fandom behavior in general...the issue is it's still hostility and I wish some of you guys got that.

Like it or not (you don't have to like it) fandom culture is inevitable to some degree. You can and should complain about your hangups but that's all you can do besides avoiding tags and just not engaging with that side of the fandom at some point. Save your call-outs and rage for when you see active deplorable bs being committed that people are excusing for dumb fandom reasons, like lolicon, hatespeech or harassment. I'm sorry but you can not actively go after and try and take down the innocent people involved in your trigger that aren't directly hurting you by liking the thing that triggers you; ie. people who get all shipping and fandom-brained about Mouthwashing's characters which you find offensive to do at all.

This type of convo is the crux of most 'antifandom' v profandom discourse in general; for Antis I think there ought to be a difference between the people that set you off bcuz of fandom nonsense vs sociopathic 'got mine'-creepiness. There's a difference between someone who draws r34 v Shadbase. For profandom types you out to face the fact that yes- maybe NOT EVERYTHING is meant to be shippable/memed. Maybe try practicing that a bit. Yeah it's mostly harmless and makes you feel happy, but considering how people outside of your hyperfixation-of-a-hyperfixation is a thing. Asking to care or think about others once in awhile is not an attack on you as a person, believe it or not. The thing about the "don't like, don't read" argument is it goes both ways. If you're truly a "good fan" like you say you are than you have to realize that people will not like your problematicisms. Learn to interact with characters and stories without the possibility of shipping sometimes- or at least understand that that's the crux of what makes a story like Mouthwashing engaging, even if you also partake in the fandumb and AUs on the side. You can call Curly your babygirl and ship him or make him happy all you want but PLEASE acoknowledge that the game doesn't woobify him or excuse what he did to Anya as well. You can make some kind of AU scenario where Jimmy gets out somehow and becomes/is a slightly better person for all I care...so long as you PLEASE remember that he is canonically a r@pist and awful. Also, even if I'm okay with your fan decisions, note that myself and others are still going to be critical and be upset that you wrote it at all because of what kind of character Jimmy is. 'Critical' =/= declaring something evil.

Fandom behaviors are not souly a destructive parasocial outcome of brainrot; they're also a natural reaction to what happens canonically and the emotions you have to experiencing a story. It's normal and rational to sympathize and love Curly and despise and hate Jimmy. You can love/like/enjoy a problematic-to-DEEPLY DISTURBED-character based on their complexity in canon. They are fiction. They are not real. The reason you are so invested with them is because of that complexity and yes because they are fiction they are your 'toy' and you can doll them up in any kind of speculative AU crap you make. That's fanfiction, baby. Make yourself a fixit fic if you really want

BUT-

remember: it stays as a fixit fic. DO NOT cross the streams, or insist that your active misreading of the text is the same as the text itself. EVER. You should care about your special interest's escapism as a means of self-care. What you shouldn't do is demand that EVERYONE ELSE LOVE your coping mechanism and that any complaints by people on their own terms on their own blogs is #badfaith or an inherent attack against you. It isn't. You'll know when it is an attack against you and that's when you, the profandom-type, need to be prepared and save your call-out posts and blocklist for.

To me that's the fragility to fandom debates and fandom as a whole. You can not/should not police or control an entire group of people and how they perceive or interact with media. That's not fair and it's definitely not sporting or decent of you in a community. You have to share your community -your fandom- with people who hate ur fav and people who love your least fav. Agreeing to disagree means not tagging your nOTP as their shipname or by tagging your shipname loud and clear. It means filtering out posts with those topics but enjoying and/or reblogging the fandom takes you do share with your fellow fandom-mite that obviously posts abt those topics.

When schmit REALLY goes down and some assface reviewer/fan/SOMETHING is being an assface or doing something amoral under the guise of fandom-ing, that's where you out to put your foot down. Callouts and complaints are for people who did an egregious thing and refuse to take responsibility(lol) for it. They're not for "soandso likes the thing that triggers me, kill them"/"so and so is hating on the thing I'm kinning because it triggers them, kill them". Be an adult.

Your DNI lists should consist of "lolicon defenders" not "proshippers", as those ARE NOT one in the same. Same goes the other way around. List off "bigots, purity culture bs", not "antis and critics". These positions ARE NOT interchangeable. If you make them interchangeable than you're making things a lot harder for yourself.

-sincerely, a message from autistic ADHD/OCD woman who likes horror and media analysis as much as she loves popcorn fanfic schlock.

We don't all have to be friends and buddybuds. I just hate us hurting each other over being different kind of fandom-folk rather than for when someone sincerely mucks up and does something bad. Can't we all stick to our guns and just boycott Harry Potter like god intended?

[calder]

currently using antifandom

https://antifandom.com/fallout/wiki/Mothman

[hunteresse]

Henry Cavill's public saga

It's kind of crazy to follow the hornet's nest that Henry's fandom and antifandom have become. I feel compelled to share a few things:

Personally, I have no doubt that the baby is his. No matter what 'she might hold over his head' there is not a chance in the universe that he'd associate himself to a baby that is not his.

If she's wearing an engagement ring, they are engaged. Big, small, ugly, beautiful, see through, solid, cheap, expensive, real, synthetic... they are engaged.

The vocal antifandom is of concern for sure, as 90% of what they scream about is pure fabrication and a sign of various degrees of neurosis - which is not something to be ashamed of, but it is of notice when it's so violently projected outwards for the detriment of others.

However, the 'Natalie-stans' (Andrea, Riot, Queenilyran & co) are by far some the most deplorable humans alive. They want us to believe that they are regular superfans who have moral standards, when in reality they are PAID FLYING MONKEYS (who signed NDAs so they won't ever tell you that) and who have been churning out a bizarre and proof-less narrative for four years now, trying to recruit existing fans to their side by any means necessary. Precisely because they are hired by their client(s) (Natalie for sure), it's utterly despicable how they relentlessly and crassly bully others, especially fans like that tarot reader who is clearly mentally ill - with no regard whatsoever for what cyberbullying can do to fragile minds. So you can shout and scream and bully all you like, call out legitimate bs from the other side, but you and your clients truly have less than zero moral ground to stand on and have very much won the race to the bottom.

And: if H+N truly have nothing to hide, nothing to see here, WHY is there such a solid presence online to counter the antifandom? Why are you so obsessed with proving a narrative? Why do they come out in swarms when the antifandom seems to touch a nerve? Like I said, I still think H+N do have a baby together and are engaged. In what context, shape and form this reality exists is quite nebulous... if Natalie is so happy with her man and career and new family, why does she need to pay anonymous trolls for 4 years to try and bully the world into believing that she is so happy and successful? Possibly because this relationship is based on a mutual benefit, hers being becoming a celebrity and when that plan foiled because her past bit her in the bum, she doubled down and started a strategic campaign of bought articles and on the ground vile trolls to try to still get her cake and eat it.

Whether this is a beard relationship, the sign of a man's badly handled midlife crisis or a real thing: H+N are two mediocre, rather despicable people who chose to partner up to be mediocre and despicable together. The way Henry has withered and morphed into an almost unrecognizable version of himself kinda says it all. End of story.

[tawked]

disney antifandom is the funniest thing in the world to me

sis, you were not too smart for the lion king as a baby. why are you always lying

[fuckblast]

A conversation is warranted here because I was definitely turned off the idea of media related tattoos by seeing way too many bad mcr tats. Like it's the kind of tattoo I wanted so badly when I was younger and some people seem to have gotten it as their first tattoo without knowing to research artists, location pain, or aftercare.

Yeah yeah yeah I know it can be considered rude to criticize art that’s on someone’s body but what is with the epidemic of poorly done and designed mcr tattoos? For a fanbase that prides itself on being creative and art-focused you would think a lot of them would look better

[num1vynfan]

I read some paradox alive lore on antifandom and i think these guys are fucked up (intrigued)