#shipping discourse

[saintmachina]

Shipping fictional characters isn’t representative of your moral values. It’s representative of your particular psychic damage and the themes and motifs that haunt you. Hope this helps.

[n0xturnal]

Being in a fandom space primarily dominated by teenage boys sucks because they lack whimsy and imagination. No I don’t wanna talk about powerscaling or which female character would make the best wife. I wanna talk about gay little headcanons and make ocs

[scotchfairy]

Every time they insist that a character less than 5 years older than the other is a parental figure.

Not gonna lie I kinda hate the compulsion in fandom to shove every relationship into rigid definition boxes. Every relationship is either parent-child, siblings or romantic. Come on. Relationships are so much more complex than that. Do you at least have friends.

[creetchure]

Crazy to me that ppl get that invested in discourse. You wanna exist in peace? Put the discourse down. Stop putting 'endo system', 'proshipper', 'otherpaw' or whatever in your bio. Love being a solid half of the identities routinely at the center of discourse while never having been harrassed because my blog is a fandom blog. Not even particularily hiding my takes either if you go digging ive said a bunch of shit on this blog but they were 3 notes posts because i never tagged them anything. Godbless

[thegreasersaresillylittleguys]

(I’m posting some Headcanons later today or tmw but just a quick thought post)

I’m sorry but, The outsiders fandom on TikTok is so scary. Like, there’s some really good artists and people who post the outsiders fandom content—but it’s so clear a good majority have never been in a fandom.

GOD FORBID YOU SHIP ANY OF THE GREASERS TOGETHER. 😭🙏🏼

“E-e-erm! Well—it was the 1960’s they’re not g-g-g-gay!!!!”

“Well actually!! They di—“

SHUT UP💔

IVE READ THE BOOK, IM AWARE.💔

And don’t get me wrong—you can have an opinion and not like a ship or shipping in general, but the moment that these people realize that commenting hate on those ship posts on a algorithm drived app is just going to recommend them more ship content, is the day I get a full night sleep.

[allthingswhumpyandangsty]

tag y’all’s problematic ships 🫶🏻

[kathrahender]

"You want to make everything LGBT" "They are married and with children" "They're enemies/rivals, wth?" "They don't see each other like that" "They are just friends" "They are like brothers/sisters" "They are in love with another person" "X character is straight" "Why can't two girls/two boys be friends?"

Those are only a few examples of comments people has done about shipping two girls/two boys together. And I'm so tired of reading again and again and again the same things. I'm not gonna lie, I tried to hold back my anger towards this topic, but I need to talk about this to feel better.

First, about the "You want to make everything LGBT". No, no. That's not true. We don't want to make everything LGBT. You are the one who wants to make everything straight. In every single show/movie I've watched there is at least one straight couple (most of the times there is more than one). And you know how many LGBT ships are in the same show? Yes? Exactly. Zero. One or two if the show is good enough to be inclusive. So please, stop with the "You want to make everything LGBT" argument because it's stupid and it makes no sense.

Secondly, about the "They are married and with children". So? What does that mean to you? Why does that matter? Last time I checked, divorce existed. And there are straight couples that divorced in real life, so I don't see a problem if the straight couples divorces in the show/movie. Is it a big deal in reality? No. Or you just don't like the "breaking up because falling in love with someone of the same sex" thing? Huh?

In third place, the "They're enemies/rivals". Ever heard about the enemies/rivals to lovers trope? And about the redemption/corruption arc? Because those are ways a ship like that can happen. And last time I checked, people don't care about the "enemy/rival" thing if the ship is straight. No one cared about the "enemies to lovers" in books like Shadow and Bone, Folk of the Air, Shatter Me or others. So that only matters if the ship is LGBT or what?

"They don't see each other like that". Well. You always saw your lover as your lover? Or first it was your rival, your friend, or someone who wasn't even in your inner circle? You saw them and you inmediatly became lovers or what? Because two characters can be rivals, friends, or people who don't know each other at first and then learn to love each other. Just. Exactly. Like. A. Straight. Couple. So, again, this is a dumb argument.

"They are just friends". Just like I said in the previous point, a boy/boy or girl/girl friendship can turn into love just like a boy/girl friendship can.

"They are like brothers/sisters". Let me ask you a question. They canonically said "I see you as a sister/as a brother"? Because if they didn't, you're just asuming things. You're just assuming they see each other as sisters/brothers because you don't bear them seeing each other romantically.

"They are in love with another person". Agaaaain. Were you always in love with one person? Did you marry the first person you loved or what? Or you liked/loved people until you found the person you actually wanted to be by your side forever? And just as you can fall in love with someone, you can stop loving them. So once again, this argument makes no sense.

"X character is straight". Well. I myself thought I was straight. My best female friend thought she was straight herself. My two best male friends thought they were straight themselves. And I ended up being pansexual, my best female friend turned out to be bisexual, and my two best male friends turned out to be bisexual/gay. Being married to a woman being a man or being married to a man being a woman doesn't mean they're straight. They could realize they are not straight but bisexual. Or pansexual. Or ace. Or whatever you want. But it's not something that cannot change. It's not something written in stone.

"Why can't two girls/two boys be friends?". And why a girl and a boy can't be just friends? Because almost every show has a main straight canon couple. Westallen, Olicity (The Flash, Arrow), Charles/Moira, Peter/MJ (Marvel), Darklina (Shadow and Bone), Stydia, Scallison (Teen Wolf), Deckerstar (Lucifer TV), Hinny (Harry Potter), Mileven (Stranger Things), Anidala, Obitine (Star Wars), Leorai, Apriltello (TMNT 2012)... And I could continue. And it is always the main couple. The main couple is always a girl and a boy. So I don't understand why can't you see that the ones that can't be just friends aren't two boys or two girls. The ones that always have to be romantically involved are a boy and a girl.

If you read this to the end, thank you. I hope you think the same as me. And if you don't, read it again and see some of the shows I mentioned. And please, think about what I said instead of being a close-minded person.

[snakies-main-blog]

"Sebaciel doesn't make sense." Forget surviving the winter. You won't survive crackships, crossover ships, and ships where characters barely interact or don't at all.

[the-hypocrisy]

👏 A 👏 ship 👏 is 👏 not 👏 better 👏 just 👏 cause 👏 it's 👏 gay 👏

[amalgamatey]

Gonna be real with you, I watched Arcane for the first time last year at some point and I saw the ship, but I wasn’t super into the ship. I was way more into the CANON LESBIANS and Silco/Vander for sure. Then for some reason I started thinking about Arcane a LOT again a few weeks ago and on a second watch, I saw so much more with all the characters and suddenly Jayce/Viktor made so much more sense.

I think that first watch I was just trying to absorb so many things, as I had ZERO idea what I was getting into. There was so much going on, so many characters and story lines and threads. Second watch tho? So many themes and character relationships.

Jayce and Viktor are, canonically speaking, absolutely meant to be portrayed as brothers. Their last scene together is touching foreheads, a pose given to all the other familial relationships, Vander and Silco included. Then again, that’s never stopped anyone from shipping anything before, look at season one of supernatural lmfao

A second watch might change your opinion like it did mine, but also a second watch in general is gonna break your heart cos knowing more about the characters makes the scenes hit much differently.

I finished watching Arcane and all I can is that I was expecting so much more from Viktor and Jayce. I've seen them everywhere for the past few months, and I just think the ship is lacking of chemistry. It's really just my opinion, but I think the ship is lacking something, maybe it's too perfect and easy and so I don't like it, but idk. Plus we're shown times and times again that they're really not that close, I mean, Viktor accidentally leads Sky to her death and he does not even tell Jayce? Mhhhh okay Viktor, personally I would have told my bestfriend about it but maybe that's just me,,

Also, I keep wondering why JayVik is the most popular Arcane gay ship when there is Silco/Vander out there!!!!! Like!!! The scene in S1 Ep3 where they're standing together on the bridge, Vander's hand wrapped around Silco's neck, Silco's knife in Vander's body, looking in each other's eyes, foreheads touching? Fuckkkkk

[deebadoobledangerdoggie]

call me crazy but I think banning art is nazi behavior. art is supposed to have deeper meaning. if you can only consume art at the surface level then maybe that’s a you problem.

[screampotato]

Suddenly struck with a need to explain to you how boat pronouns work (I work in the marine industry).

When you're talking about the design of the boat, you say "it".

When the boat is still being built, your say "it".

When the boat is nearing completion, you can say "it" or "she".

When the boat is floating in the water you probably say "she", unless there is still a lot of work to be done (e.g. no engine yet) then you say "it".

When the boat is officially launched and operating, you say "she". If you continue to say "it" at this point you are not incorrect but suspiciously untraditional. You are not playing the game.

If you are referring to a boat you don't really know anything about you may say "it" ("there's a big boat, it's coming this way"). But if you know its name, it's probably "she" ("there's the Waverley, she's on her way to Greenock").

If you are talking about boats in general, you say "it" ("when a boat is hit by a wave it heels over")

If you speak about a boat in complimentary terms, it's "she" ("she's a grand boat"). If you are being disparaging it may be it, but not necessarily ("it's as ugly as sin", "she's a grotty old tub").

If she has a boy's name, she's still she. "Boy James", "King Edward", "Sir David Attenborough"? The pronoun is she.

If it's a dumb barge (no engine), you say it. But if it's a rowing boat (no engine), you say she.

I hope this has cleared things up so that you may not be in danger of misgendering floating objects.

[retrograde-tonic]

Exactly this ^ I ADORE bloodweave it’s my OTP, and I’m not multi shipping them rn (it’s just me)

I honestly don’t have much to add because I just woke up, but honestly it feels like post-2020 fandom etiquete is crumbling. What happened to ship and let ship/ don’t like don’t read? If something doesn’t align 100%, it’s often that it’s attacked, and that’s just exhausting, especially in the ship realm.

OP is right, we shouldn’t have to justify why we like bloodweave, we just… do. For me, it’s as simple as having two favorites, and making them kiss.

The mischaracterization and hate, but also the obsessive ‘he’s mine don’t touch him’ type obsessive love is EXHAUSTING, especially with Astarion. He’s not 100% and evil irredeemable person, but he’s also done some wrong in his life. He’s an incredibly damaged and flawed person, and in my opinion, some ships can enhance those flaws in either a positive or negative way, depending on how it’s shipped and why. That’s just shipping.

Idk mate I can go on forever as to why I think bloodweave is a perfect pairing (in my eyes) but I know that’s not everyone’s cup of tea, and THATS OKAY! It’s just— not everyone ships the same thing with the same people for the same reasons, and that’s fandom. Always has been (or, at least it has been when I started popping up around 2012)

I’m not super active in the bloodweave realm but I’d like to be, and my first step is adding some thoughts to posts like these.

(I have MANY thoughts on ‘you’re racist if Wyll isn’t your absolute favorite/you CANNOT dislike Wyll b/c hes black’, but here’s not the place)

Apologies for the earlier rant—this topic just gets under my skin. The way people talk about Bloodweave is wildly different from how they discuss other ships.

Some dislike Gale, others dislike Astarion, so naturally they’re not keen on pairing them. Others avoid Bloodweave simply because it’s popular or because those two characters don’t appeal to them—and that’s perfectly valid. What isn’t fair is treating popularity as proof the ship “has no substance.”

Which pairing you enjoy often boils down to which dynamic clicks with you—nothing deeper. I’d rather folks just say, “Not my cup of tea,” and move on. Some of us simply like Gale × Astarion; there’s no grand agenda behind it.

The “ship war” over who is best for Astarion is exhausting. Honestly, Gale and Wyll can both suit him, depending on how you read the characters—and not every Bloodweave fan is an Astarion‑centric player. Yet Bloodweave is constantly pitted against Wyllstarion, as if those are the only two valid choices. That ignores Astarion and Wyll's chemistry with other companions—especially the women—and can even slide into fetishisation when the debate fixates solely on M/M options.

Saying Gale and Astarion “hate each other” or “have zero chemistry” feels disingenuous. Critics often ignore or strip context from their banter, while supporters of other ships do the same cherry‑picking to bolster their favourites. In truth, Gale and Astarion parallel each other nicely, and much of their best dialogue only triggers when you’re romancing one of them—so it’s easy to miss if you haven’t played those routes.

No one has to justify disliking Bloodweave, but fans shouldn’t have to defend liking it either. There are no canon pairings in the game; enjoy what resonates and let others do the same.

[questions-about-blorbos]

reblog if you ship a ship that's unhealthy, toxic and fucked up

[bebx]

“this ship is not canon” babe, they’re fictional characters. they’re not real. they’re literally dolls we play with. we don’t care about whether or not these fictional characters’ love story is canon in this piece of media that is also entirely based on fiction. I mean, sure, canon would be lovely, but it’s a bonus. it’s not necessary. what we care about is the fun of talking about these 2 idiots being in love.

we don’t give a fuck if they didn’t kiss in “canon”. they had raw sex in thousands of fics about them though. and I’d say that’s more than enough to make people who ship them happily ship them even harder. happy shipping!