#ch215

[abybweisse]

Ch215 (p1); The supposed dalliance

Dedicated to his one and only... what, exactly?

Modri is a Slavic word that essentially means watching vigilantly, and Vladis is a Slavic name meaning rule or glory.

Dalliance is often used to refer to a short or casual romantic or sexual relationship, but it can also mean any encounter that's brief and/or casual.

This doesn't rule out the possibility he's the mystery person from ch137, but why would that person expect Sebastian to actually remember him by sight, let alone by name?

Sebastian isn't feigning ignorance, since he cannot lie in front of his master.

I'm not sure why this guy thinks he can remind Sebastian by cutting himself. He's not releasing cinematic records, and it wouldn’t make sense for Undertaker to have the body of someone from Sebastian's time before his current contract.

Is he delusional?

And what's in that infusion? I'm thinking it might not be blood, after all. This guy has tattoos on his neck, which Polaris didn't have, so if it's the mystery person from ch137, then that's not Polaris. I'm starting to wonder if his memories have been altered, since the chapter is called Faded Memories. We are being led to believe Sebastian's having a memory lapse, but it might be this guy's issue, not Sebastian's. Perhaps he's been given false memories in order to have him confront Sebastian and cause confusion.

More to come....

[uwusayssnake]

Kuroshitsuji Spoilers: ch215

Meet Miss Hoffman.

[wantsuponatime]

How o!ciel and Sebastian will unintentionally break their contract

Im exploded with revelation as i write further and further into this post and chapter analysis. Here we go!!!

While i was reading this post, i think:

"How will the contract judge the truthiness of the contractor, if the contractor himself is uncertain of an answer? "

A asked B for a question in which B is uncertain of the answer. B expressed "I dont know the answer", which will be true this case. But A doesnt except "null" as an answer, so B answered "X", which could be both true and false. If the answer in the end reveals to be "false", will the contract penalize B?

exp:

A: What flavour do you want your cake?

B: Um, not sure, i couldnt pick one

A: Just give me a name

B: Err, strawberry.  (i dunno if i really want this)

One tea time later...

B: Yup now im sure i dont want strawberry flavour. Not my piece of cake.

Omnipresent contract eldritch entity: B...I hereby declare you contract breaker

B: Wtf

Now, lets see what's going on with the two's last question:

C: Every one of your contractors has been devoured already...correct?

S: I do not lie, i truly do not remember him.

If your theory is right, then it's not that sebastian is evading o!ciel's question, but that he genuinely doesnt know the answer. He doesnt have past memories regarding this matter. His answer is a null . Because even he's 99.9999999999% sure he would have eaten previous contractors, he do not comfirm this information to be 100% correct. What if in that 0.0000000001% occurence some shit happened and he didnt had his meal? Saying "Yes, i ate them all" will be false.

If o!ciel continue to press on this matter, then THE CONTRACT WILL BE SUBJECTED TO VIOLATION AND BREAKING WITHOUT THEM REALIZING as many theorized undertaker to be scheming

sebastian's memories, his form and the perceived "lie of omission" in chapter 215

many people have been picking up on how he purposely avoided giving a straight answer and how he may be hiding information from o!ciel but i would like to propose an alternative reading...

i (personally) don't think he would hide information from ciel anymore; not even because i think he 'cares' but because i think he's scared of UT and is taking everything more seriously now. more importantly, the first time he 'lies' (hides info) in the manga, we find out he can't 'lie' when he's directly asked a question and that's what ciel does:

in the new chapter (215), we found that sebastian only created this form for ciel which leaves us with four to five possibilities on what's going on and how modri must've recognised him:

1) modri recognised him from something other than his physical form (which people have mentioned) and sebs genuinely just forgot him because it was a long time ago/only a night long.

2) this is a crack theory but sebastian has facial blindness and doesn't realise how all his forms have the same face (likely considering all the costumes he put on for ciel during the negotiation looked the same) but at the same time, is sebastian really that stupid? (i mean kinda)

3) sebastian and modri met during this contract's time (which is possible since we do not see the better half of 1888, nor do we see much of 1887 or 1886, the year the contract was made).

4) genuinely mistook him for someone else (again possible) or UT made modri think sebastian is the demon/person who wronged him.

5) sebastian does not remember what all of his past forms looked like so cannot accurately tell whether he's ever made a form like this before or not. this will also explain why he did not answer about his previous contractors being devoured or not—he can't answer accurately if he does not know. this would also tie in with possibility 1. modri remembers sebastian but sebastian does not remember him. this would also explain strange things like sebastian remembering how to waltz but not being able to brew tea (as we see in his memories in the luxury liner arc), he can speak languages but did not remember ever having a single friend (which a lot of people found odd... personally i don't find it that strange but again, it's a good point, nobody ever wanted to befriend him?) all this to say one thing...

i think each of sebastian's bodies houses different memories and/or skills.

to visually represent this, i made an example chart:

say he wanted to contract a noblewoman living in a sultanate in the middle east then surely he'd go for spare body 2, or if he wanted to contract a travelling merchant in eastern europe then surely he'd go for spare body 1.

these are just possible body memories, obviously we don't know what sebastian's other bodies are like. but we do know one thing:

sebastian has to use a mask to become jeremy in the murder arc and he never changes his face when he's disguised. like these are all the same body in different costumes:

and they probably all remember schönbrunn palace and how to waltz.

to put it simply, he only has fragments of disjointed memory in each of these bodies because he readily swaps them out. he said he only took this form for ciel and it might technically be true, he might've taken on this body with this hairstyle and this clothing for o!ciel but he might've had this same body in a contract many many years ago... he might just not remember the contract in detail or he doesn't consider the body a unique 'form' but rather the body, hairstyle, clothing and role altogether make his 'form' (remember he spawns in with clothes/hair). is it truly impossible for one to escape from a demon's contract in kuro? for example, say your contractor kills themself, would sebastian be allowed to eat them or would they become a reaper? perhaps he genuinely doesn't remember. look at sebastian's cinematic record in the luxury liner arc (which UT reallyyy wanted to see):

there's no way UT decided to see the record from the moment they met, this body might just house memories from this point, and nothing before that. again let's visualise it into how each one of sebastian's humanoid 'bodies' could work, cinematic record-wise:

each time a contract ends, the memories of it end too, obviously there can be fragments/'episodes' remaining (which is why he can remember places he's been like a palace or a sabbath or concepts like witches, reapers, etc...) but it's also important to remember that things like language, dance, musical skills (like playing violin or piano) aren't stored in the same place our normal memories are stored (which is why amnesiacs will often forget everything but will still be able to speak, have muscle memory in dancing or playing piano or other instruments, even video games!) and this is because of how memory works, in branches.

what we see in black butler's 'cinematic records' are people's episodic memories. they contain one's first hand experiences.

sebastian's memories such as language fall under his semantic ability for example 'cat in french is chat' while his procedural memory is viennese waltz steps. this is also why the simple bizarre dolls that took over the liner had the memory to walk, jump and swim (sebastian even pointed out how they use each other to climb). this isn't to say sebastian is a bizarre doll, but he has a cinematic record just like humans and bizarre dolls do. as we know, the more complex doll of derrick arden had the ability to say a phrase about tea, he was drawing on his semantic memory 'this object is a cup of tea' and 'this smell is pleasant' in order to speak. on the other hand, vice principal agares had many 'episodes' meaning his episodic memory had started working and he remembered who he was (a teacher at weston college), that's why he could form opinions, teach, etc... though it limited his procedural memory (likely due to the brain damage of how he was killed) which is why he kept falling over. while the most complex of the dolls, r!ciel and doll, have full retention of past memories and are able to form new ones adding onto their records.

so let's run over what my theory is:

1. sebastian has multiple bodies he uses for contracts, unclear how many or how they look (can he produce infinite bodies or does he just rotate/reuse a few? if so, does he remember when he does reuse them?) but they are used for different contractors and he believes this form* is exclusive for o!ciel.

*though we don't know if he considers this body the form or the body AND his clothes/hair/role.

2. each of these bodies have separate memory systems e.g. one body's procedural memory could contain 'how to brew tea' while another could contain 'how to do the polka', another body can speak 'xyz dialect of french' while one can speak 'xyz slavic language'.

3. every one of sebastian's 'bodies' has its own cinematic record and they fade every time he 'ends' a contract/his record (explains why his record starts w/ meeting o!ciel). the memories remain if they are procedural/semantic and he has vague episodic memory (like the bizarre dolls' "episodes") which is why can remember places he's gone to but can't remember who he's met there (evidenced by the fact he doesn't know how many people could bear a grudge against him; the people he was counting were probably from the last 3 years he'd spent with o!ciel, not even previous contracts LMAO)

with all this said, there are 3 possibilities remaining for how modri knows him:

1. sebastian is telling the truth, this is the first time he's using this body (and my theory about the bodies is either completely wrong or sebastian uses the same organic matter to make each body which is how the procedural/semantic memories remain while his episodic record gets mostly wiped out everytime he starts a new contract) and modri is seeing something we don't see and that's how he's recognising sebastian.

2. sebastian does not remember using this body before but he has (which is why the body has semantic and procedural memory of how to speak and dance but no episodic memory of friendships despite certain semantic/episodic/declarative memories like 'i have been to schönbrunn palace' remain) and he's met modri before however his episodic record has faded away so he can't remember him, this possibility means that modri is recognising sebastian based on his appearance.

3. (most likely) sebastian does not consider each body a different form but rather each body with independent styling is a different form to him (most likely) and he doesn't remember his past contracts/people he met in this body because of his cinematic record being restarted with every new contract.

anyway, thoughts?

[gradelstuff]

Oh heroes really can’t kill villains

[hqch387]

Hello! Recently I reread the haikyuu manga and realized that I can't interpret exactly what Kageyama meant with his smile at Hoshiumi, well, In chapter 215 kageyama plays with hoshiumi for the first time, and when hoshiumi makes his jump kageyama smiles. I saw people saying it was because he connected with hoshiumi, he kind of felt like Hoshiumi would be your partner, do you agree with that? Can you help me interpret?😭

HI I don't think I have seen that interpretation before and largely because I don't think it's that popular or even correct.

What is majorly interpreted by that scene, and is later also confirmed by kageyama himself is that Kageyama sees Hoshiumi as a reference for hinata's development.

Prior to that scene, Kageyama admits that Hoshiumi is better than Hinata, despite being as short as him with as much equal jumping prowess.

But when he sees Hoshiumi jump, he realises this is what Hinata could be, too. That hinata can jump even higher, as high as hoshiumi if he can use the correct reference. But since hinata's not here to see for himself, kageyama catalogues it to the back of his mind.

Kageyama believes hinata could be as great as hoshiumi someday, could use hoshiumi as a mark to better his jump and plays, just like how kageyama used to take references from oikawa.

And so, when he returns back to miyagi after his training camp, one of the first things kageyama tells hinata is that he can jump even higher.

I don't think kageyama ever saw him and hoshiumi being teammates in any near future. I think that was entirely by chance for both of them so to think he "connected" with hoshiumi on that level outside of just being a part of "monster generation", is incorrect.

[meowlier]

o!ciel in ch215

[onomatopagu-et-cie]

Cyrus, Katerina, Campbell

First impressions after re-reading DGM Some theories and observations Notes on Link, part 1 & part 2

Have a nice week-end!!

Again I'm sorry for the awkward english!!!!

(SPOILERS UP TO CH247!!!!)

▶ « Cyrus » and Cross

After focusing on Skulls and Link’s names, I wondered if there was something for Cross and Katerina, two enigmatic characters!

In volume 24, サイラス (‘Sairasu’), which is localized as Cyrus in the English translation, Mana and Neah’s ‘uncle’, is mentioned. This could add to the ‘Cross = Cyrus’ theory:

Cross’s name in Japanese is クロス, which is pronounced ‘Kurosu’. The ancient greek form of Cyrus is Κῦρος, pronounced ‘kuros’ (like how you would pronounce ‘hybris’).

Is Cross the name Cyrus adopted after whatever happened at the Campbell mansion (and also, a symbol of the heavy cross he has to bear for Mana, Neah and Katerina)? Though it’s interesting to note Neah calls him Cross in ch215.

Now in the French translation, his name is localized as ‘Silas’, and the Japanese prononciation could lead to both localizations so I don’t really know if this holds any meaning!

▶ « Katerina »

Katerina is a variant of the name Catherine.

The name became attached to the ancient greek adjective καθαρός, ‘pure’. Also, « Marian Cross » might be a reference to a kind of religious cross:

A SAINT, you say....................

A side note: on the miraculous medal, there were twelve stars, symbolizing the twelve tribes of Israel and the apostles. There are two hearts on the medal. One heart bears a crown of thorns — the Christ’s Sacred Heart —, the other is stabbed by a knife — the Immaculate Heart of Mary —. Joined together, the two of them represent the Christ and Mary’s love of the world.

I don’t know if it’s relevant or not, but in ch121, Lavi managed to get out of Road’s dream by stabbing Allen’s illusion in the heart, which ends up piercing through Road’s own heart. And volume 13’s cover features a colorful focus on Lavi and the knife spilling blood in the foreground, which contrast with Cross, two crosses and the coffins coloring the background.

Not to mention:

1) Grave of Maria accompanying Cross: her dress is adorned with roses which are associated to Mary, sometimes represented with a rose crown (the rosary also originates from them). The ‘saint’ from Luberrier’s family is drawn wearing a (presumably) white rose, symbol of purity, innocence and devotion. The black ribbon that covers Maria's head ends up in a butterfly-shaped bow. In christianity, butterflies symbolize rebirth after death like the Christ’s spirit. Though rare, Mary has been represented with butterflies (I also saw that butterfly in spanish is 'mariposa' and its etymology was sometimes supposedly linked to Mary, I wish I could read in spanish ;;).

2) The association of Maria to what looks like a memory of Katerina:

3) In volume 13, Allen says Maria is the corpse of a parasite-type accommodator that is now controlled by Cross’s magic. Though it’s a forbidden spell, he was granted an extraordinary permission from the Order.

On the other hand, Cross suggested that Allen searches for Katerina in the mansion. This leads to the belief that she's pretty much alive, so perhaps Maria and Katerina are unrelated and Cross just remembered Katerina because the two are similar in personality. Their association is really tempting, though.

Especially since her whole face is concealed by her ribbon and we were recently given this page linking the two together!

Or who knows, maybe her soul got separated from her corpse or some other magic happened? We know so little so anything could happen!

It's a great stretch in all this, but Katerina’s name origin has also been linked to Hekate, a goddess of, among other things, liminality between spaces/worlds (entrances, exits, city walls, doors, gates, boundaries and crossroads, the living and dead realms ; one of her epithets was Enodia, ‘she of the road’), the underworld (she was considered the guardian of Hades’s keys, served as a guide), witchcraft (eg. in greek tragedies) and the night. Throughout history, she was also sometimes confounded with other divinities eg. Demeter, Artemis, Persephone. The dog was one of her sacred animals (represented accompanying her and also her sacrifice).

She wasn’t originally associated to the moon, but it became one of her main attributes with witchcraft later, as well as ghosts. In wicca, she is related to the Triple Goddess, which is associated to the archetypes of life (birth, death, rebirth), the Maiden, the Mother and the Crone or the moons (waxing, full and waning).

She was also later said to have a great knowledge of plants, especially to make poison.

The story uses these symbols a lot. The symbol of liminality especially reminds me of Road. (Of course I don’t believe there must be a correlation, references can just be references for the sake of it and highlight meanings, but the research was very fun!)

▶ « Campbell »

A CROOKED mouth…...... ? It’s THE telltale characteristic of the Noah’s memory, while Noah’s physical appearance features golden pupils and stigmata!

Now I don’t know where the story is headed with the Campbells, but I’m really curious to learn more, especially their link to Mana, Neah and the Noah!

[p2ii]

im almost finished black jack (ch215 😬) and panicking on what to do next X'O

dororo: a guy who hunts demons to recover his stolen body parts alongside his self proclaimed 'master pickpocket'/little brother.

princess knight: a princess with both a 'girls and boys heart' who fights evil as knight (also apparently there's yuri at some point)

astro boy: you already know

[cc-electronic]

Cousin Silas - 2025 - The Silas Spring Sampler

[ch215][Cousin Silas – 2025 – The Silas Spring Sampler ] A sota les pedres els cucs passen l’hivern iesperen el Sol. https://cousinsilas1.bandcamp.com/album/the-silas-spring-sampler#ambient #minimalism #ccmusic

[tearyphoenixx]

[opbackgrounds]

Instead of giving a speech, Vivi’s coming of age was infiltrating Baroque Works. It’s like trading a bat mitzvah in favor of being super spy instead   

[abybweisse]

Ch215; The "smoking room"

Even in the manga, it's in quotes, and that's something that makes me read deeper into it.

Our earl might assume the cigars are regular tobacco, but there could be opium smokers, too. Either way, he's been around it and probably figures he can tolerate it for a while.

But let's not forget how something wafting in the air at Sphere Music Hall on a "Sirius" day made him fall asleep/pass out, so blood could be taken without his knowledge or consent.

Since Sebastian is also being treated as a mere guest, and not as a servant of a guest, he might also accompany his master to this "smoking room", and I hope so... because Sebastian could shake off any effects of the drugs, unlike our earl. This would be a great parallel to Lucas and friends on Tanetane Island (Mother3), where Lucas and the other humans eat mushrooms 🍄 that make them hallucinate, while his loyal dog, Boney, doesn't partake, so Boney is the only one not affected by the drug.

Keeping with the Tanetane mushrooms idea, if our earl gets drugged and starts to hallucinate, this could be a really wild -- and scary!! -- ride for him. In the game, Lucas hallucinates all sorts of horrors...

...including one of his dead older twin saying the wrong twin died and that Lucas should switch places with him (Claus).

It might be a bit like the dream sequences during the green witch arc but much more twisted. In that dream, real Ciel says revenge wasn't necessary or expected. If our earl now takes a bad drug trip, it could be more like real Ciel telling him he's a failure, maybe even also suggesting the younger twin should have died instead. It could include Vincent telling him he was never meant to become his heir... or maybe Rachel saying she's going to spank his bottom black and blue. Soma and/or Agni blaming him for their suffering and Agni's death....

Whoever and whatever it is, it would be a twisted and particularly angry version of them or it. Lucas et al don't recover until some sense is literally knocked back into them... with a wooden plank or something... by a Magypsy.

In the manga, it's usually a reaper who steps in to provide the Magypsy parallel, though during the witch arc, it's Sebastian who fills the role by being 90% serious about eating his young master right then and there.

It is possible that they just gain some info and leave unscathed. But I'll honestly be surprised if nothing trippy happens in the "smoking room" or soon after.

And if it does get trippy... it should be very dark.

[uwusayssnake]

Chapter 215

[every-sanji]

My phone keeps telling me I'm running out of storage space >:(

[iiloffy]

Igaram.. I'm going to become a pirate queen

[fluffyblue-multifandommess]

as expected of a MXTX protag, Xie Lian really has ZERO sense of self preservation 😂