#daima episode 19

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EPISODE 19: BETRAYAL

One more episode after this... Yikes.

We finally get to see who gets betrayed... and it's Arinsu who loses! Turns out Glorio used the wish to grow everyone back up and give multiple VAs their jobs back for the last two episodes. Panzy was still holding Baby Dende when this happens, so he ends up holding him in an unintentional bridal carry.

Look, I'll say it and there's at least one corner of the community that I'll be tussling with- but I've never been a fan of Panzy x Glorio. But, Panzy x Dende (post-wish obviously) and the singular interaction... That's the rarepair territory I'm after.

Goku decides to reinstate the one-on-one rule, which Vegeta quickly takes an advantage of, popping out Super Saiyan 3 and a pretty bangin' Final Flash.

Meanwhile, the consequences of Glorio's actions... Arinsu's obviously upset and even pulls the guilt card, saying she was the one to rescue Glorio from the Third Demon Realm. We get a lore drop this late and you don't elaborate at all?

But, Glorio's developed a new loyalty to the Dragon Gang, so Arinsu fires him. Not in a Frieza way. Just straight up says you don't have the job anymore. I was genuinely fearing for my boy's life for an entire week... and Arinsu's response to his episode-title-worthy betrayal is a slap on the wrist.

They really just skirt past that. Glorio meets back up with the gang, Panzy excited to see him in a very platonic way (I'm firm on this). Goku even gives him the honor of saying his name right- true cinema, I clapped. Either he got a few braincells back or thought he was making a joke by saying his name wrong, only to say it right.

We get the full sense of scale and it seems Glorio is shorter than adult Goku. Finally, a medium-height blorbo in my collection.

AND THE SMILE- AUGHGH MY HEART

Vegeta's not making good headway in his fight because- ex machina- Gomah has healing hacks.

Arinsu puts Kuu's speed to work to fetch her a book on the secret of the Third Eye- there has to be a way to remove it. With his lightning fast page turning fingers, they find the weak spot, which they willingly divulge to our heroes- Arinsu's giving real "I don't care if you win, I just need Gomah to lose" vibes

The secret: hit the back of his head three times like he's some game boss. This feels like a very silly Toriyama-style idea.

Goku devises a plan to be the distraction while Piccolo finds a way to deal out the blows. Unfortunately, Vegeta's still running himself dry and his pride is preventing him from sharing.

Thankfully, Bulma steps in with her secret power: yelling to him that if he doesn't get his head out of his ass and tag out, she'll call off their shared bath times.

And it works instantly. He left the fight faster than he was moving during it.

Goku's gotta stall for Piccolo, so after doing a few stretches, he pulls out Super Saiyan 3 in the best homage way possible. Shows off all the forms, one at a time, just like its introduction in the Buu Saga- all it needed was the "this is to go further beyond!"

However, he takes it one step further and reveals that Neva didn't grant the new form, but rather he unlocked it for Goku, as he's still able to pull the transformation out of his ass pocket. Guess that means it doesn't connect to Super after all (checkmate, atheists) Still has the giant gorilla hands and it feels even more like a recolor. Worst part is the episode ends before we can even name it. I suppose it's going to be Super Saiyan 4,

Obviously, the final fight isn't going to take the whole next episode, so it seems like the fusion bugs will go unused.

Can I admit something? Late-game Daima is starting to frustrate me. There are so many concepts left on the cutting room floor and events that simply get a slap on the wrist or an ex-machina. How is it that I'm happy that we're achieving things while still being pissed off at the same time?

Is this show getting on my nerves? Yes. Am I going to see this show through to the end? Still yes. Don't worry.

EPISODES WITHOUT KNOWING HANVI'S WHEREABOUTS: 19

EPISODES WITHOUT USING THE FUSION BUGS (SINCE INTRODUCTION): 16

EPISODES REMAINING: 1

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Vegeta in Dragon Ball DAIMA Episode 19: “Betrayal”

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Dragon Ball DAIMA - Episode 19

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The final shot of Dragonball Daima episode #19 today gave me major Toriyama vibes.

The drawing below is Toriyama’s take on Goku as a Super Saiyan 4 included on the Dragonball GT Dragon Box released in 2005.

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Adult Piccolo Screenshots Daima episode 19

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Daima vs. Super

I’ve got a little time on my hands, so I thought I’d start on this series I wanted to do about Daima’s continuity with the other Dragon Ball series. I’m starting with Dragon Ball Super because I think that’s the simplest one to discuss. I will be spoiling both shows under the cut, so keep that in mind.

All right, so when Daima was first announced, my initial assumption was that it would be set after Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero.  The Broly movie, Super Hero, the Moro and Granolah manga arcs each take place after the final episode of the DBS anime. But Pan was three years old in Super Hero, so it seemed like the only real question was whether a new project would be set after the “End of Z”.  Maybe I should make a little timeline of the DBS continuity.

Dragon Ball 1-153

Dragon Ball Z 1-288

Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods or Dragon Ball Super anime 1-18, or manga 1-4

Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F or Dragon Ball Super anime 19-27

Dragon Ball Super anime 28-131 or manga chapter 5-42

Dragon Ball Super Movie 1: Broly

Dragon Ball Super manga ch.42-87 (Moro and Granolah arcs)

Dragon Ball Super Movie 2: Super Hero, or manga chapter 88-100

Dragon Ball Super manga chapter 101-?

Dragon Ball Z 289-291 (”End of Z”)

As it turned out, Daima was revealed to be set two years after the defeat of Kid Buu, which I believe puts it two years before the events of Battle of Gods and the beginning of the DBS anime.  So in terms of DBS, Daima is like a prequel series. Both shows are set in the “ten year gap” between Kid Buu and the finale of DBZ, but Daima takes place before Beerus or any other DBS stuff happens. 

Alternately, we could look at Daima as a hard reboot. It feels like the mission statement of Super was to fill in the “ten year gap”, and now we have Daima, which looks like it’s starting all over again.  It’s only twenty episodes long, and it only covers a single adventure in Year Two of the gap, but one could imagine a number of sequel series that might continue covering the Ten Year Gap without any regard for the events already established by Super.

I say this because there are a couple of glaring discontinuities between Daima and Super.  The first is only natural: Since Daima is set before Super, there’s no way for Super to acknowledge any of the events in Daima.  In particular, Super Saiyan 4 is revealed in Daima, but Goku never mentions it in Super.

This could easily be explained away by Goku abandoning the form after Daima Episode 20 and before he met Beerus in Battle of Gods.  He challenged Beerus to a match on King Kai’s planet, and went Super Saiyan 3, claiming it was his strongest form. But in Daima #20, Goku claims he discovered the form while training after Kid Buu. So that only leaves us with three options.

Goku was fibbing to Beerus and kept SSJ4 a secret for no apparent reason.

Goku had reached a point in his training where he decided SSJ4 wasn’t practical for combat.

Daima and Dragon Ball Super are simply incompatible.

I’m not fond of any of these options, since I feel like the whole point of introducing Super Saiyan 4 in Daima was to make it part of the wider Dragon Ball continuity. If Daima’s in it’s own little compartment, then that’s no different from the original SSJ4 debut in GT.  If Goku has a stronger form in his arsenal and chooses to hide it from an opponent like Beerus, then that defeats the entire purpose of it. 

Option 2 is the simplest way to go, but it also breaks Super Saiyan 4, and that’s no fun. You can make the case that Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue, and Ultra Instinct will obsolete SSJ4 anyway, but if Goku abandons the form before he even meets Beerus, then it’s basically just a one-off.  He used it against Gomah that one time and never again?  Weak.

I suspect that if Toyotaro plans to continue the DBS manga, he may want to work Daima lore into his stories, and he might no-prize some of these issues away. For example, we saw Black Frieza defeat Ultra Instinct Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta, so maybe the key to victory is for Goku to combine UI with SSJ4, sort of like how he stacked Super Saiyan Blue with the Kai-o-ken.  I could see him trying that, especially since he had Goku rapidly switching between God and Blue when he fought Zamasu in the manga.

Or maybe Goku brings SSJ4 back because he decides it’s the best way to maximize his own Saiyan power. The Granolah arc had a lot to do with Goku and Vegeta finding their own paths forward, as opposed to simply imitating Whis and Beerus with their UI and UE forms. Maybe training with Broly would help them figure out what they really need to do, and SSJ4 might be the missing piece of the puzzle. 

There’s a way to deal with it, is what I’m saying.  The thing about Super is that it isn’t really over yet, since Toyotaro recently published that Trunks special that I haven’t read yet.  I would imagine he wouldn’t have bothered unless he had bigger plans for the future of the manga, and that Black Frieza situation still needs to be addressed.  So if Toei and Shueisha want to tie Daima and Super together in one neat little package, that’s probably how it’ll be done. 

The second discontinuity is the whole deal with Kibitoshin.  This one doesn’t bother me as much because the Dragon Ball Super franchise was so inconsistent with itself on things like this.  Let’s review.

In Dragon Ball Z Episode 267, the Elder Kai reveals that the Potara Earrings can be used for fusion, and suggests that the Supreme Kai and Kibito try to use their own Potara Earrings to fuse together.  They do, only to find out that it’s permanent.  Kibitoshin remains a fixture in the Dragon Ball cast through the events of Battle of Gods in 2013. In both the movie and the anime adaptation in DBS 1-14, Kibitoshin remains fused throughout. 

However, the manga adaptation of the comic took a different direction.  There’s a subplot with the Old Kai sending Kibitoshin to collect the Namekian Dragon Balls, because he thinks Beerus might be planning to use them for something, but it turns out to be a red herring.  At the end of Chapter 3, the Kibito and the Supreme Kai reveal that they used the Namekian Dragon Balls to wish for their separation. This was published on August 15, 2015.

I suspect Toyotaro did this in order to set up Kibito and Shin’s appearance in the Universe 6 tournament arc.  In Dragon Ball Super Episode 32, they show up to watch Beerus and Champa’s tournament.  Goku notices that they’re separate again, and they explain that they used the Namekian Dragon Balls to undo their fusion.  From an anime-only standpoint, this is treated like a big surprise, as they hadn’t been seen since the end of the Beerus fight in Episode 14.  It could be a callback to chapter 3 of the manga, except the manga’s version of Battle of Gods is completely different from the anime, where Kibitoshin did not use the Namekian Dragon Balls. DBS 32 aired on February 21, 2016. 

So on top of all of that, now we have Daima Episode 1, where Goku notices Kibito and Shin have unfused, and this time they explain that Majin Buu helped them separate..  Daima is set two years before Battle of Gods, so the implication here is that it doesn’t fit with Super at all.  Kibitoshin shouldn’t exist in Battle of Gods, or in any episode of the DBS anime, and he shouldn’t have needed the Namekian Dragon Balls to unfuse in the manga because he would have already done it with Buu a long time ago.

To me, it doesn’t really matter, since there’s three different versions of Battle of Gods that tell wildly different versions of the same story.  Expecting Daima to line up with any of them is kind of pointless, since they don’t line up with one another. I’m pretty sure Akira Toriyama just wanted an unfused Supreme Kai for this story, but he didn’t want to set it after Kibitoshin got unfused in DBS.

This is, of course, easily resolved if we assume Kibito and Shin re-fused sometime between the end of Daima and the beginning of Battle of Gods.  A few suggestions on how to accomplish this:

1) Majin Buu’s interior somehow has the power to dissolve fusions, but only temporarily.  If you get out of Buu’s body, you automatically re-fuse after one year.  This didn’t happen with Vegito because Goku and Vegeta are mortals, and according to Gowasu in DBS 66, Potara fusion is only permanent when at least one Kai is involved.  So Vegito separated inside Buu’s body, but didn’t recombine because his time limit expired first.  But Kibitoshin’s fusion had no time limit, so he recombined later, requiring him to use the Namekian Dragon Balls later on.

2) Kibito and Shin slip on a bunch of banana peels and their earrings fall off and they re-fuse.

3) The Elder Kai tells them to try the Potara again and they fall for it all over again like a couple of dummies.  I mean, it was kind of stupid how they fused together in the first place, so it’s not like they need a sensible reason to re-fuse later on.

4) During some as-yet-unseen adventure, Kibito and the Supreme Kai reluctantly choose to fuse together to defeat a powerful bad guy.  Seriously, they did get a big power boost from the fusion.  I think that gets overlooked, because they were no match for Majin Buu either way, but Kibitoshin could still be a badass against lesser villains. I bet he could give Perfect Cell a run for his money.

Again, I could see Toyotaro tackling this if he plans to continue the DBS manga and if he wants to work Daima lore into his stories.  It’d be a little awkward, since this second Kibitoshin fusion would have to take place several years before Black Frieza, but this is the same guy who did a whole page to explain where Dr. Hedo got the inspiration for the Gammas’ capes.

It is also possible that Daima and Super will wind up being left as separate things.  The precedent may have been set that future projects will be standalone sequels to DBZ without necessarily connecting to GT, Daima, Super, or one another. I tend to doubt this, though, since Daima does include some lore from Super.  Gowasu and the Supreme Kais of the other universes are shown, and Goku’s home universe is still said to be in Universe 7.  It’s not much, but it’s a pretty clear continuation of the cosmology from Battle of Gods and Super. 

And there’s nothing to outright contradict Super.  We don’t see anyone in Daima say that Super Dragon Balls don’t exist, or that Ultra Instinct is impossible, or that the Pilaf Gang was brutally murdered in a gangland shooting. It’s not like GT, where both Super and Daima seemed to go out of their way to rule out any possibility of a shared continuity.   But I’ll get into that another time...

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Putting under spoiler because they're from Daima Episode 19, but they're not plot / story spoilers, so if you've not watched the episode you should be alright with these ^^

Also Panzy's jump is such a good reference to Pan's open arms in the DBGT Opening <3

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DAIMA EP.19 (Spoiler) Review/theories

• 19 episodes in & I'm wondering if anyone still hasn't noticed that Goku's hand goes from adult size to kid size as he wiggles his fingers at the beginning of the OP.

• Aight, so they kept the shot of the Kadan castle crew in the OP. Missed opportunity.

• Everyone getting their bodies back felt as magical as I'd hoped. Vegeta's voice sounded extra deep for a minute there. Did Ryo Horikawa catch a cold for a bit?

• Wow, so their child forms really were holding them back to a degree.

• So Glorio was only helping Dr Arinsu to pay back a massive debt & actually isn't the mystery majin she mentioned before creating Kuu. That's fine too. Dr Arinsu showed an impressive amount of maturity/nuance in not retaliating with violence/murder. (She seemed genuinely hurt, too) She's even more interesting to me now.

• As I suspected, Vegeta's SSJ3 form looks better on his adult body. Same goes for Goku's Pseudo 4 form.

• Glorio rejoining the group had me teary eyed. The immediate acceptance. The embrace. The music. Goku finally getting Glorio's name right on purpose almost got me.

• Crazy that they let Vegeta beat on a main villain Gogeta-vs-Broly-style for that long. But the Tertian Oculus may actually be limitless, so, UNO REVERSE. This instant revive spell King Gohma keeps spamming is awfully similar to Buu's regeneration that gave everyone so much trouble in the Buu saga.

• Oh, I'm sure this "Book of Magic Items" will be brought up in reviews/theory videos for years to come.

• Clutch King Kuu, back at it again!

• Not surprised removing the Third Eye is that simple & silly.

• First Toriyama made sure we knew Vegeta legitimately loves Bulma, & now in Daima, he's made sure we all know Vegeta finds her INSANELY attractive. This scene will be infamous. (Also, new song)

• Goku starts off by harkening back to the first time he went Super Saiyan w/his hair flickering from black to gold, then it's a short recreation of the very first time he went SSJ 3 in the Buu saga. Gotta say, all the heavy, dramatic shading, facial expressions & some of the animation in the scene of him going further beyond SSJ3 just screamed to me "Dragon Ball Deliverance". I like that Pseudo 4's glow was visible from all 3 demon worlds. (Cool new song, too)

• Not gonna name drop the new form yet, ey? Cheeky. Though, again, since it seems to be a magic-based form, Goku'll probably not be able to use it on his own post-finale. He'll probably say he'll train to get that strong on his own someday.

• Golly, the really saved half the soundtrack for these last couple episodes.

• Naotoshi Shida, I SEE YOU! Can't wait to see you go crazy next week.

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what is ur opinion on daima (if u watched it)

and thoughts on z fighters jumping someone and foregoing pride

Daima’s weird. It’s got this energy that feels both safe and experimental at the same time. Like, it’s clearly Toriyama having fun again, dipping back into old Dragon Ball vibes with the whole “adventure as kids” thing, but also not afraid to throw some wild concepts out there. The Demon Realm plot’s alright, it’s not revolutionary, but it gives enough of a setup to let the characters bounce off each other in new ways. And Gomah? Kinda generic, but he works. What actually makes it pop is how they’re using the setup to let Goku and the others shine without just power-scaling everything into oblivion. It’s more about style, technique, and personality again.

Animation’s slick too. That fight in episode 8, 18, 19 and 20?? Ridiculous. The way Goku fights with the Power Pole, going full classic mode but with modern polish, that’s the kind of thing I wish Super did more of. You can tell they’re pulling from what worked in OG and GT but refining it instead of recycling it. And the fact that they actually brought back SSJ4, not just as a nod but integrated it into the canon in a way that feels earned, is wild. That form never stopped being cool, and seeing it treated with respect instead of as a what-if side thing finally gives it the love it always deserved. Just wish Vegeta got the same moment, but you know how it goes.

And about the Z-Fighters jumping someone and ditching pride? I’m all for it. That pride stuff’s cool in a tournament, sure, but when the stakes are apocalyptic or some demonic king is about to wipe out everything, yeah, gang up. Worry about your ego later. If anything, Daima kinda leans into that more - it’s not about “my turn, your turn” anymore. It's survival. And honestly, it’s more realistic. You think villains ever wait for 1v1s? Hell no. So why should the heroes?

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Favorite new character that was introduced in Daima?

Without a doubt, it has to be Glorio. I latched onto him rather quickly, the emotionally distant silent type. Maybe also partially the coat. Two episodes with him and I just knew "this guy's going to warm up and we're going to find that heart of gold center". In a way, you could say it activated my Hit character type blinker.

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For whatever reason, I did not expect everything to go smoothly with his arc, especially with his ties with Arinsu. The tension of them somehow barely acknowledging each other once they met back up in the First Demon World- one of the times my roommate was in to witness one of my rants was me being somehow upset that nothing happened.

It took so long for the inevitable betrayal to actually click in. I knew he was likely going to have a change of heart in the eleventh hour, but I feared a lot. I even speculated that he might have even been axed after making the wish (either punishment for his insolence against Arinsu or being disposed due to no longer being of use to a now all-powerful Arinsu) and I was nervous going into episode 19.

He does survive with a slap on the wrist and the villains get their Steven Universe style redemptions- the kind of redemption where they're still kinda shitty people but at least they're not trying to actively kill Goku and friends.

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Dragon Ball Daima anime episode 19, titled ‘Betrayal’, revealed Glorio’s wish as our heroes got back into the ring to defeat Gomah.

READ MORE: Dragon Ball Daima 1×19 Review: “Betrayal”

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