#damien discourse

[smoshsfavoritepizzaplace]

you’ve really been out here doing gods work dealing with all these asks lol, but now i have something else to ask of you:

can you summarize what the hell is going on with Damien and WHO IS CHEL??

I’ve been going through your asks these past few days and i’ve heard a lot but not the basics, and apparently Damien was having issues before with other controversy?? Honestly have no idea how this started and i’m so lost. I’m so sad because he was my first favorite cast member, but i’m also just so confused 😭

To summarize it as best as I can, Damien is presumably dating someone name Chel. They have been accused of scamming, stalking, and other horrible things. Damien is aware of this, and is still dating/friends with them. As a result, over the course of a little over a year, he has lost 2 or more friends due to siding with them. We of course only know one side to this considering Damien and Chel (not that I’m aware of) has actually responded to any of this. To my knowledge, they’ve pretty much ignored everything and only just asking for privacy through it. I know I’ve been answering a ton of asks, but I suggest trying to scroll to the very beginning and reading upwards. I’m most likely butchering this summary so it’s better to see it from the start

[paxkryptonia]

Also, second Con in a row where Damien's handler is not Chel.

Good stuff, my man.

[haasmaxxing]

I still think he should apologise for promoting them to his fans (including minors that they interacted inappropriately with).

Will we get an apology? Probably not because none of this was supposed to be public.

[starkid-smosh]

I’m new the the Smosh/Damangela fandom and just saw your post on the newest TNTL. Who is Damien dating? I thought he was single haha.

I've learned about this all in the past like week, but it's speculated that he's dating (or at least was dating) this person named Chel who's also been accused of stalking and scamming and stealing a bunch of money by a few people. It's uncertain if he knew all of this when he first started talking to her though.

If you want more information, I highly recommend checking out the Damien Discourse tag on @smoshsfavoritepizzaplace. That's where I got all my information from and it's probably better to hear it directly from them in case I relay the information wrong. This was a very brief summary so if anyone here wants to explain the situation to anon, feel free to!

[thevarietyshac]

Who is damiens supposed girlfriend? I've been told she's meant to be problematic i want to make sure I'm staying away from that

Chel Leonhart also known as Plvntfvce, xbaremyteeth, ghxsttvth,

they've harassed people at conventions

has stalked people possibly online and in real life in anime conventions

obsessed with VAs and their characters (there was some confirmation about them fetishizing VAs,(?))

scammed businesses like "Steady hands" for 20k or more

Exploiting kindness by telling desperate Situations so that they can receive donations from their followers, they also apparently used several women for money until she's done with them(?)

always late at deadlines of her own commissions so few clients have complained but she never really cared

Stole original artwork by tracing or copying the design and claim it as her "own work"

lied about their own age to a bunch of people that don't know her saying she's "21" almost ruined Damien haas's reputation as someone online called him a predator for dating someone so "young"

talking to minors online —minors who are fans of her boyfriend Damien haas, nothing weird happened yet but it's a manipulation tactic to make those fans who are minors become a fan of her—

revealed her own private relationship to the internet by "accidentally posting a photo with her phone on and the lockscreen shows a photo of Damien and her kissing" Damien possibly asked her NOT to reveal their relationship to the public but she became louder and louder, hinting about him in every tweets, streams and possibly in real life friend group meet ups (can be very inappropriate like how they want his ����, or how they want to be railed after having sex)

and there's many more, i just woke up and it's hard for me to remember the things she had commit this is the reason why it overwhelmed me.

[smoshdrama]

For our Concerned Dramarama Audience.

To Our Valued Dramarama Audience,

We’ve been receiving a large number of Anonymous Messages regarding the ongoing situation between Damien Haas and Chelsea Leonhart (Plvntfvce). Many of these questions have shared similar concerns, and we want to take a moment to respond collectively.

After careful consideration, we’ve decided not to release any content or commentary about the matter. While Damien has been a part of Smosh for nearly a decade, this situation is personal and unrelated to Smosh. As such, it falls outside the scope of what we cover here at Dramarama.

We understand and empathize with the desire for updates—our team has felt the same. In fact, we initially began researching a documentary on the topic. Unfortunately, the sources we had access to were either unreliable or incomplete, making it impossible to present an accurate and responsible report.

Our team held extensive internal discussions and ultimately agreed not to move forward with any coverage at this time. While this decision may feel like a missed opportunity, we stand by it, and we appreciate your understanding.

when the right timing comes and the sources are credible and thorough information emerge in the future, we will revisit the possibility of sharing updates.

We’d also like to extend our heartfelt thanks to a few Concerned Damien Haas fans for their assistance—your support has meant a great deal to us. For those interested in following actual information more closely, we recommend checking out @BARECANINES on Twitter/X and @yearofthesnvke here on Tumblr

Thank you for your continued support.

— Sincerely,

The Dramarama Team

[guessitrunsinthegenes]

I've been thinking about the whole #damien discourse and people wanting some kind of response. I think if I were in his position and in some way involved with someone who is accused of stalking and harassment and who probably knows where I live, I would wait until I wasn't leaving the state/country for multiple days every week before I did anything about it. Especially if they're going to continue not coming with him to cons. Just feel like that would be the safer move, personally.

this is definitely a fair point, especially because several of these cons were confirmed when we knew with decent certainty that they'd be with him so they likely know a lot of exact details of the trips too :/ (like momocon was confirmed all the way back in august)

[shadoowrenmoon]

I just want Damien to be okay during and after this fiasco.

Is that too parasocial to ask for?

[whyseverynametaken01]

Saw your ask for details! Check out yearofthesnvke here or barecanines on Twitter. Also Ghostxtype's post on Instagram! Hope this helps catch you up and sorry in advance- it's stressful

thanks! I now know almost all of the details but I'll check those out if I don't understand anything

[vc55bughead]

I know someone is screaming and punching the walls watching today's tntl and that makes me very happy 🤭🤭

iykyk

[smoshsfavoritepizzaplace]

I’m an old woman by fandom standards and I completely understand why people are disappointed by this whole Damien thing. But if I can share some wisdom from my advanced age, it would be to try to not let it bother you too much, if you can.

I know it’s hard, especially if the person who’s disappointed you is someone you admire and trusted, but even friends and family are going to confuse and disappoint you with their decisions. Your friend ends up marrying the dude who cheated on her and you’re still going to go to their wedding. Your coworker gets knocked up by a dude who’s been in and out of jail and you still crochet her a blanket for her shower (these are both people I know).

I’m not saying you need to ignore behavior that you find reprehensible, but in this relationship between creator and consumer, the only one who’s losing out on something is you (not necessarily you personally, but the consumer/fan). This person is living their life, doing what they do and making the content you enjoy and you enjoy it less because their shortcomings are bumming you out, maybe even giving you that queasy feeling when you think about it too much.

If what everyone is saying is true, it for sure sucks, but you aren’t going to be able to do anything about it, especially if his real life friends couldn’t. And if it’s not true, or exaggerated, you’ve deprived yourself of something you enjoy for no reason.

I’ve been there before and I’ll be there again, I’m sure, but I love Smosh and I love Damien and I enjoy the content they make and I know I’ll enjoy myself more if I’m not worrying myself sick over something I literally can’t do anything about. He’s a grown-up, and sometimes grown-ups do stupid stuff. Try not to let someone else’s personal business take joy away from you. You come first!

I agree, our mental health is extremely important. I hope we can all walk away from this with our sanity and happiness still with us. Definitely try not to stress yourselves out with everything and for sure take breaks if need or walk away completely, whatever keeps you not as embedded in the situation

[paxkryptonia]

Sorry to give you this update, but bad news on the Damien/Chel front. They're still dating after all of this.

They'll be tabling at a con in Chicago. Yearofthesnvke has been covering a lot of this, and now I'm beyond worried about him giving them a pass considering their weird behavior with minors. Just thought you'd want to know since they haven't been at cons that they will be trying to pop back up as if nothing happened. Really disappointed in Damien for this, he's lost a fan for still backing them in my mind...

Chel is. And from what I learn from others, tabling at a con usually takes a long time to book, maybe even a year in advance. So, who knows if Chel is gonna be there, especially since they got the spot before the callouts. Also, Damien has never been on a Con that Chel is in unless he's also a guest.

Also, he's doing a Con in Edmonton like a few days prior. Maybe he won't be there.

[smosh-mouth]

i just want to say that during tntl: trivial pursuit, shayne being able to use different types of humor depeding on who he is paired with is a testament on how funny he really is (and how much he knows his friends)

for example, with damien his humor relied on words that sound funny/words that are slightly wrong and sentences that rhyme because that makes damien laugh, also inside jokes and jokes with long pauses and with the right timing to get him.

with spencer/the chosen the humor was a lot more dry or deadpan, he used video game references (mostly because he was playing a character but my point still stands bc spencer is literally the chosen), some pop culture references and his humor was a little edgier like spencer's.

and with courtney he used a LOT of physical humor, silly sounds because obviously that aligns with her sense of humor, inside jokes and unexpected answers that would catch them off guard to make courtney laugh..... he's insane.

the next trivial pursuit i want with shayne is one with amanda, my guess is he would use a lot of characters to get her to break.. also maybe shayne and angela or shayne and ian, i think those would be fun :)

[starkid-smosh]

hey I recently got back into Smosh and stuff cause of Starkid and so im kind of behind, I’ve seen you talk about Damien’s girlfriend a couple times on here i genuinely didn’t even know he was with someone (if he still is I do not keep up with this sort of stuff) and how she isn’t a very good person?? If you feel comfortable could you explain what’s going on there?

Hi! Yeah so long story short, Damien was (or is. We don’t really know if they’re still together or not) dating a person named Chel who has stalked and scammed several people and small businesses. This post by @thevarietyshac gives a good brief summary of everything she’s done. The “Damien discourse” tag on @smoshsfavoritepizzaplace is how I found out that he was even dating anyone in the first place (let alone them being a stalker and scammer), so that could be a good place to start too. Also if you want more specifics and snark and updates, I’d recommend following @yearofthesnvke who is a dedicated blog to calling Chel out and talking about this situation. Honestly, sending them an ask might be a better way of getting the correct info on everything because everything I know is like second hand info and idk if I’m the best person to try to explain everything tbh lol. Sorry this answer to your ask was just sending you to three different blogs 😭 but I feel like they can give you more details and more accurate information!

[thevarietyshac]

I’m so annoyed about Damien’s situation even it not my problem. I hope Damien figures out and fix it soon in his privacy. I’m tired about Chel. I knew she is toxic. Smh

Same it's the reason why I became so stressed and overwhelmed to the point few strands of hair kept falling, I'm just praying for him to finally wake up and break up with her 🫂

[haasmaxxing]

Not to be incredibly parasocial, but as someone who is autistic and was in a horribly manipulative and toxic relationship for 5 years this entire situation makes me want to cry. I truly don't know what goes on behind closed doors nor do I know the nuance of either of these people's relationship, but I hope Damien get out of this shit, it's not easy and is so SO incredibly painful to rip away from.

I've just gotten out of a 7 year relationship. We're both autistic and we've been friends for over 15 years.

Some point along the way I ended up doing most things for him (cooking/cleaning/sorting out bills, etc) while also working (only part time because I have chronic fatigue issues).

Watching Damien do so many cool things in his life as an autistic man actually made me think about my relationship enough to realize that I want a partner, not just a boyfriend that sits around the house playing video games and not trying to help himself, and I want to do cool things on my own.

It's easy to fall into toxic and manipulative situations and hard to get out. I was broken up with my ex for a YEAR and I've only just moved out from the relationship.

I know I will be better without that situation but I still miss being with him. He's still one of my best friends.

I really hope Damien finds a way to get out of whatever situation he is in, if he thinks it is toxic. He could be perfectly fine in his relationship, we have no way of knowing.

Yes, we know that his partner has been accused of some really terrible things but Damien is an adult and makes his own choices. There is nothing we could ever do to convince him that someone he is friends with may be a bad person.