#different types of shippers

[p-redux]

Hi, so-called “shipper” here if we have to put a label on it, but I don’t believe I fall into any of the buckets you mentioned in your response to recent anon. I haven’t been here that long, I have no need to project any of my fantasies onto actors, I have read lots of opposing blogs, and I’m not mentally ill. I don’t think Sam and caitriona have 5 children (which much of anon’s argument is based on, I might add). I have some of the same questions as anon, yet on the flip side, there are enough other things that don’t add up that make me think they might actually be together. I won’t proclaim to “know” things but I am discerning enough to see which “receipts” could’ve been completely made up by someone with an agenda vs. which come straight from a source. Also, in response to a comment about how ES would lose it if faced with this logic: I think that exemplifies the problem with this fandom. We all have our different beliefs and are focused on reinforcing those and proving others wrong. There’s no room for polite discourse and collective brainpower to try to solve for the things that we can all likely agree are fishy…even if we won’t admit it to each other. I think I know what a lot of counterpoints to that would be, so maybe it’s not worth saying. Point is, we all have access to different “facts” and we all believe different things accordingly. It would be nice if we could be more kind to each other as a result. Thanks for reading.

I appreciate you reaching out, Anon. But given I've been in the Outlander fandom for 9 years and know all the back history, I have to disagree with you. You DO fall into one of the categories I mentioned in my previous post. You are still in category #2. 👇

You have fallen down the rabbit hole of shipper blogs and are prey to their manipulations. I have to admit some of them are very good at making their cases. BUT, the good news is you've found my blog, where you will see the TRUTH. Just scroll through my archives and there is no room for doubts. If you look at actual facts and truth, REALITY is clear: Cait and Tony have been together since 2014, have been engaged since 2018, have been married since 2019, and had a son in 2021. No matter how Extreme Shippers skew the truth, there is NO getting around the MULTITUDE of people who actually KNOW Cait, Tony, and Sam, who have publicly stated that Cait and Tony are together, and Cait and Sam are just friends and costars.

There is NO getting around the pics of Cait and Tony when he proposed to her New Year's in Australia and her FRIENDS publicly congratulating them. There is NO getting around CAIT'S MOTHER talking on an Irish radio interview about Cait and Tony being engaged. She mentions Tony by name. There is NO getting around Cait herself showing off her engagement ring and acknowledging her engagement when she was on the red carpet for the Golden Globes. There is NO getting around Cait kissing Tony on the lips and then mentioning Tony by name when thanking him at one of the awards show when she won. There is NO getting around the church announcement at St. Mary's Church in Bruton, Somerset, England that the church was booked for the wedding for A. McGill (Anthony aka Tony). And then ALL of Cait's family and friends posting on Instagram FROM Bruton at her wedding. There is NO getting around fans paying for Cait and Tony's MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE from the official UK government marriage license website. The official legal document clearly shows Caitriona Mary Balfe marrying Anthony (Tony) Gerard McGill on August 10, 2019. Both their fathers names are in it. There is NO getting around Cait herself announcing the birth of her one and only son in August 2021. Those are indisputable FACTS.

If you want to say the HUNDREDS of Cait and Tony sightings, pics, and confirmation by family, friends, fans, costars stating that Cait and Tony are a couple, and Cait and Sam are not, can be explained away. Fine, but you CANNOT explain away official church announcements, legal documents, Cait herself telling you, and God help anyone who would be dumb enough to DARE say Cait's mother was lying about Cait and Tony being engaged. The Irish are tough people and no one messes with an Irish mum.

Anon, as for everyone has different opinions and have access to different "facts." There is ONLY ONE FACT/TRUTH. Cait and Tony are married and there is a legal document from the UK government public registrar that PROVES that. You can have an OPINION about this FACT. But you cannot say that "fact" is in dispute. FACTS are by their very definition factual, truthful. The FACT is Cait and Tony are married. Your opinion can be that you don't like them being married. But you can't dispute that they are indeed married.

If after ALL the proof, including the legal document, you don't believe they are actually married, or you have your doubts, then you are not using your full mental faculties. I'm sorry to be so blunt. But there's no sugar coating it. Any rational, reasonable, logical person with a fully functioning brain cannot be faced with a marriage certificate from the UK registrar (a copy that MANY fans were able to order and pay for) and then say it's fake. The ONLY ones trying to convince people that it's fake are Extreme Shippers. Literally the only ones. The rest of us accept REALITY.

I do appreciate you wanting to be kind and asking for kindness in return. The thing is it's difficult for me to be kind to Extreme Shippers who have made MY life hell for the last 9 years. And have also attacked and harassed Cait, Sam, Tony, any woman associated with Sam, Diana Gabaldon, any cast, crew, family, friends, and any fan who got in the way of the Sam Cait ship. Here is a previous post where I talked in more detail regarding Extreme Shippers' horrible treatment of me and anyone who got in the way of the SamCait ship. 👇

In summary, the FACTS and ONE AND ONLY TRUTH is Cait is married to Tony and they have one son together. Why would I entertain talking about anything that isn't THE TRUTH with people who literally tried to ruin my life and other peoples' lives? If they want to still sell their LIES to unsuspecting new fans, that's on them, but I'm not going to dialogue with terrorists. Their only goal is destruction. And there's no room for discourse or civility when that's the case. And make not mistake, that IS the case.

Thanks for stopping by, Anon. This blog started in 2017. You have YEARS of posts to catch up on. My previous blog was called @fortruthseekers I stupidly deleted all my posts. God, so much proof on there. BUT, luckily people's reblogs of my old posts are still out there.

Always remember and never forget, THE TRUTH, there is only ONE.

[guaxinimraccoon]

How do yall feel about some gender bender?

I had a BLAST with this, it was sooooooooooo much fun to do, I'll definitely be drawing them girlies more

[marvelstarwarshero]

"So uh you talk to Frank a lot?"

"I could hear your heartbeats."

[His too?] "Oh yeah"

Matt isn't jealous. Matt has done a 180 on the whole thing and is actually now the #1 Kastle shipper. No I will not be taking questions.

[queeniehostapasta]

Some silly Hanvi doodles I had in my files (AWW YEEAHH), I’m just a sucker for their dynamic really :p

[cervinae-canine]

This will be a long response forgive me.

I ideologically disagree with them and their stance on fiction. I believe their insistence for nuance while not being nuanced themself is infuriating and troubling. I believe fiction can depict any heavy or sensitive subject but is deserving of criticism for however the subject is portrayed as. I do not believe harassment or censorship is an appropriate response to it. I believe there are instances where fiction has affected reality and usually reflect the values of the environment and time period it was created in. I'm autistic so i know how fictional portrayals can affect the attitudes for how others treat Autism: for better or for worse. If a dark subject has been portrayed as romantic despite it not being so for years, decades - it will inevitably affect reality. Like how Navobov’s Lolita was treated by the public. Trying to say otherwise for the sake of fanfiction discourse is ignorant.

My take is if you ship incest or pedophilia/child x adult and go on about how hot it is, you're fucking weird and I recommend you don't interact with minors if you openly identify as a proshipper. That's really it and it's still a hard feat for proshippers to not do, especially from adults who should honestly know better. That would consider me an anti or an "proshipper" depending on who you ask because I don't want proshippers dead or doxxed. But just consider, I don't like proshippers.

The community has a pattern for ignoring racist content because of the argument “fiction is not reality”. People of color and other marginalized people were kicked out of proshipper circles for disliking racist or nazi art. Proshippers have called others who don't like RPF of real minors “antis”, so believe it or not, they also change definitions on a whim. They talk about AO3 as though it's a beacon of anti-censorship, while the site goes on to censor fics with "Free Palestine" tags. I believe comparing fictional shipping discourse to the subjugation and injustice of marginalized groups in order to defend those ships is highly disgusting and insensitive. derailing serious political discussions to bring up antis shows how little some people actually understand oppression to think it's comparable. comparing antis to cops and authoritarian institutions is disgusting. using the pink triangle to compare the abuse and mass-murder of queer people in the Holocaust to shipping incest or pedophilia is in poor taste AT BEST.

It's not just fanfiction, it's a type of behavior that people in fandom ignore and celebrate. Pardon me if I think they are annoying and insufferable at the very least and I don’t want to talk to them. This is why I dislike proshippers. That is why I have the “Proships DNI”. Thanks.

[olessan]

HEWWO???

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[enden-k]

Love the new Toji art. Gained a newfound appreciation for everyone's favorite unemployed/affective

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i love him sm and everytime i see ppl rant in toji posts abt how much they dislike him i just love him more LMAO (more of his unemployed broke stinky ass for me <3)

[wangxian-the-zhijis]

Just wanna add this bit of information to the long list of parallels between WangXian and XiYao.

WangXian = 知己 zhījǐ | XiYao = 知音 zhīyīn

Lan Wangji: 你把我當成什麼人？(What do you take me for?) | Wei Wuxian: 我曾經把你當做我畢生知己。(I once thought of you as my soulmate in this lifetime.)

Interviewer: 你怎麼理解金光瑤和藍曦臣之間的關係? (How do you understand the relationship between JGY and LXC?) | Zhu Zanjin (JGY’s actor): 我覺得他們是知音關係。 (I think they are soulmates.)

知己 and 知音 are synonymous and can be used interchangeably. Both are translated to “best friend” “intimate friend” “bosom friend”. Both also mean “someone who understands you very deeply” and is considered “very hard to find” and, can also mean “soulmate”.

The Lan brothers’ partners soulmates really be labelling them as soulmates without them knowing. But I’m sure no one’s complaining.

Anyways, I present to you: the soulmates Nie Huaisang reunited; and the soulmates Nie Huaisang broke up.

[steeiydan]

i know that the relationship between marcille and falin can be interpreted in different ways, romantic, platonic, whatever; they're not canon-canon, but it's hinted at and either interpretation is fine!!

but holy shit, some people act like "omg, they're so sisterly! their sisterly love for each other is beautiful! THERE'S NOTHING GAY ABOUT THIS" with such fervor that i'm like.... chill??? the alternative ways to look at them very much were the point i feel like, why are you acting like there can't be any romantic subtext??

[queenboimler]

buddie shippers and bucktommy shippers should do the 'stop acting like you're catholics and protestants challenge' because this is a fictional network tv show and not actually that serious<3

[lunar-years]

Also there is something genuinely sinister about the particular language of calling a show "anti-feminist" or "misogynistic" solely because...the favored M/F ship didn't end up together, lmao. As soon people start saying shit like "well ACTUALLY it would have been wayyy more progressive if [Main Female Character] ended up with [Main Male Character] but clearly the writers HATE women and think we can't have it all!" they've lost me entirely. You know you can be upset that your ship wasn't endgame and think it was terrible writing without making weird false assertions, right? "But TV writers are so anti-romance these days they never let the main male characters end up with main female characters anyone :( in trying to be feminist they've circled back around to being anti-feminist because [HetCis Ship] isn't kissing :( strong women kiss too!!" ...have you guys...turned on the television recently? ...can i recommend you some shows?...

[minweber]

Belisarius Cawl, hiding for his life, his ass kicked, ship crashing, friends in mortal peril: I am such a smart boy, he-he-he =)

[alchemiclee]

I hate that whenever there's a gay ship, people immediately het-ify it. people are so obsessed with making one the "man" and one the "woman" when that's completely unnecessary, because they are both the man or the woman. It's extremely annoying. these people will completely mischaracterize a character to fit into their stupid little het roles they force on them.

for example, you don't need to make one man the "wife" and feminized him to the extreme and fit him in a traditional "woman" role so the other man can be the big strong masculine manly man. they can both be masculine or both be feminine or both be both at the same time! they do NOT need to be gendered opposites to fit het roles. crazy, I know! it's like no one considers it a possibility! or sees how good it can be to have them be equals without gendered nonsense.

when there's a gay relationship, you have the perfect opportunity for the couple to stand on equal ground. they get to be equals who are just as strong and just as soft as each other. there's no faulty power dynamics where one is above the other (because let's face it, society unfortunately deems masculinity > femininity). one doesn't need to protect the other. they can protect themsleves, fight aide by side as equals. one doesn't do all the housework. they share that duty equally. one isn't weak and pretty, while they other strong and manly. they both are strong and pretty, or masculine and weak at the same time.

equal relationships are amazing and need to be explored more and appreciated. there can be more understanding and working together. i'm bad at explaining what I mean, but I prefer these equal relationships over forcing them into opposite roles to mirror het relationships, which are usually extremely unbalanced and unequal. especially because these not het relationships! so why must they look like one? they can and should look different! so why does literally every shipper and writer out there make them so het coded?

I don't understand why people do this. do they actually believe all romantic relationships must mimic het ones to exist and thrive and purposely force that on them? or have they genuinely just not fathamed that they can be different and dont need to follow the expected het standards?

I wonder, it feels like no one actually knows how non-het relationships are meant to be and how they could work, since het ones are always forced down our throats since birth. it becomes The Standard that everyone thinks they must follow. maybe it's all people know since they don't see any other possibilities. their preferred dynamics for their ships are what we are taught and nothing different, because they don't know it can be different. i also think people might be obsessed with that whole "opposites attract" trope. but that opposite doesn't have to be the traditional het-fueld feminine vs masculine or wife vs husband characteristics. it can be other personality things like one is loud and one is quiet, one is dumb and one is overly smart, one is rich and one poor, etc. it doesn't have to be masculine vs feminine!

BREAK OUT OF THE HET NORMS!!!!! TEAR DOWN HETERONORMATIVITY!!!!!!!!! FREE THE GAYS

(disclaimer, not saying masculine vs feminine ships are all bad/shouldn't be done ever. but it doesn't need to be 100% of the time either 😅 can't think of one ship people dont do this with lol)

[altforstuff]

man i fucking hate the state of social media now days like i have to create a second whole ACCOUNT NOT A SIDEBLOG AN ACCOUNT so i can engage with some posts without being burned at the stake for it ON GODDAMN TUMBLR OF ALL SITES! whyyy

[prettyupsetnerd]

losing braincells from reading the dungeon meshi subreddit's posts/comments

[gay-artificer]

Seeing people complain about how people make shipping content of the slugcats/ slugcat ocs and 'furrification' of the fandom while also being involved in a bunch of iterator shipping/roleplay/ocs like do you actually hate the that the fandom has focus on shipping and ocs over reflective stuff or are you just mad that a lot of it is focused on the slugcats