#endgame negativity

[satsuha]

valerio for 60min challenge

[giibh]

i miss them so much🥺🩷

[sso-maev]

I cant believe they blew up the oil rig. Like actually. They destroyed an entire area and like. It’s inaccessible now. Gone forever. Its so insane to me

[pinksmonkey]

😳 Byler is BS ???

(On a YouTube community post asking about Strangers Things unpopular opinions.)

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Is this person watching a completely different show? Because I don't get any of that. Wtf. I kind of want to respond, but I'm not sure how. Can any of my fellow Bylers help?

I also commented on that post:

Btw, the video I linked is "mike wheeler is straight." from the channel Gayer Things. XD

So anyway, that's all, just wanted to share the Byler hate I found. ;-;

[starlight-bread-blog]

Before Loki was kidnapped to the TVA, he was just getting arrested for genocide. He was at his most villainous self.

(I'm gonna burn through this next point because that's not the point I'm trying to make, I'm just adding context, sorry in advance): The first thing the Loki series does is showing him a video to make him a sympathetic protagonist, and it seemed to work.

So essentially, their starting point is a Loki who is still semi a good guy but still isn't cooperative in the slightest. Not, you know, the guy who just sent an army of aliens to murder a bunch of people and conquer the earth. So, I have to question,

Why Is Loki Taken From Avengers, and Not Where We Left Off?

By the end of Thor: Ragnarok, Loki's arc is in a much different place to where it was in New York. He's a different person, while still being himself. Because we saw distinct sides of him, and he even did good.

But his arc was not done. He was clearly doing good for vanity reasons, rather than morality, to at least some extent.

Not to mention his Jötunn heritage that he was taught to hate from childhood.

There was still so much to do. So much to explore with this Loki. But...

There was no need for this. He could have easily survived (very easily, to the point where it's goofy). We've already seen Loki redeem himself, now, there's more. He's not perfect, he's not done. Why not pull Loki to the TVA without undoing his arc? Let's just keep going, the path isn't over.

(He would want to escape rather he was his NYC self or not. His motivation could still be "I just need to get out of here" -> "there's a real problem I need to fix". The series will be different, but not that different).

Which bring me to my next point: The TVA is the perfect starting point for the continuation of Loki's arc from Ragnarok.

Consider: Doing things for validation & admiration -> going to a place isolated from your life. This would also enhance the symbolism of Loki sitting alone. He wanted a throne for validation (vanity), and now he chose a throne no one will know exists, because he wants to help (morality).

In addition, there's no magic in the TVA. There was an opportunity to kick off a journey to self acceptance, to force him to look in the mirror until he likes what he sees.

The show starts with 2012 Loki, but wants 2017 Loki. And rightfully so, because his character wasn't finished. He had so much more to do. I wish Loki hadn't died, his series would be better for it.

[min-kit]

literally none of these things this person said to me is true. people are seriously floundering. i can not. lol

[allyricas]

oh my god i could write a whole fucking essay on why both jon x nancy and steve x nancy should not be endgame! and it's not about disliking any one of them, rather seeing the various reasons each pair shouldn't stay together.

okay, come here: jon and nancy are very cute together. they have a lot of undeniable chemistry and similar interests and goals at the start of season 1. it's pretty clear that despite being with steve, nancy is attracted to, or at least intrigued by, jonathan from the start. he fucking took inappropriate pictures of her and she was not offended.

(we could argue this is because the duffer bros are men thus do not really understand how a teenage girl would react to this but that's a rant for another day)

i think jon and nancy are right-person-wrong time-terrible situation. despite the mutual attraction during season 1, they truly fall for each other during all the drama of will being possessed and the mind flayer. there is genuine love, but also trauma bonding.

the issue arises in the core of who they are and what they want out of life. nancy does not understand jonathan very well. jonathan does get her, i think, but doesn't necessarily like her priority on her career. we see this with the whole newspaper dilemma/argument. nancy is headstrong and determined, both good qualities, but she struggles to see how it could affect others at times.

jonathan might feel pressured to take care of will and stick by his family, but he cannot bear to lose them either. he needs will and his mom close after everything that's happened over the years. this means the idea of going away to college sounds terrifying to him at this point in his life. i also think the way he met argyle and went stoner boy is a huge relief for him. he can relax and get high, but wants to be with his family.

oh, but nancy. nancy wheeler. for all that she seems dainty and soft, she is truly a fucking badass. she is not afraid to fight for what she wants or what she believes in. she sees her traditional, nuclear family and she wants so much more. she wants a successful career. she wants to investigate and know the truth. she does not want to be in hawkins. she wants to rise above what society says a girl can be.

she doesn't want to break the glass ceiling, she wants to fucking shatter it. she is nearly cutthroat in her pursuit of what she wants and thinks is right.

she lost her best friend on the night she was losing her virginity to a boy she didn't love. i do not think nancy loved steve, sorry. i think she wanted to and thought she was supposed to but didn't. and this is not meant in a derogatory way towards nancy. she never had to love steve.

so I think there is an element to nancy where she feels she needs to be in a relationship because she's supposed to be, it's what girls should want. she should be jealous of robin because steve used to be her boyfriend. she should stress over her relationship with jon even though he's in california.

i think it's why we see her side of the weird energy with steve in season 4. she is very analytical with things, and she's considering what she is supposed to want, not necessarily what she actually wants which very well could be neither of the boys if she was honest with herself.

nancy needs a partner who is okay with her prioritizing her career, who has their own career, and is okay with needing personal space and not necessarily wanting a family. someone who understands nancy's desires and dreams, recognizes how she needs to find the story and investigate and reveal the truth, that she will do whatever it takes to be successful and she deserves to! that she can have all this and love, but that it won't look like what society said was acceptable for a women in that time.

nancy would be so, so unhappy with steve. she was unhappy with him the first time they dated. she stuck it out it because it felt like a slap in the face to losing barb if it didn't work. but nancy knew deep down it was bullshit. she might have drunkenly spewed those words to steve, but they were just as much about her.

so yeah, nancy and jon without all the trauma, could have been happy. and who knows, maybe in the future they could work out. nancy and steve, trauma or no trauma, would not work. he straight up said he wants a big family. he wants the house, the kids, and a partner to come home to. that is a nightmare for nance. her face said it all in the rv.

“It’s silly but I always had this dream that I’d have this really big family. I’m talking like a full brood of Harringtons, like five, six kids. And every summer I figured all of us Harringtons, we would pack into something like this and just see the country. You know, the Rockies, Grand Canyon, maybe Yellowstone. End up in some beachside town in California, spend a week parked in the sand. Learn how to surf or something.”

we can argue whether steve's parents are just a little absent or like fully negligent assholes but either way, he wants what he didn't have. wants to create his own family and do it the right way. he wants a big family with lots of people to nurture and love. i don't even think nancy would necessarily want to take her spouse's last name whereas steve would very much want that.

steve's desire for family is intrinsic to who he is. it's why he carts around dustin and the kids. why he worries for them and throws himself into danger for them despite barely knowing them in season 2. it's why robin made her way into his heart so easily. steve wants to be loved, wants to be needed and does want to love others in return.

he may not seem to have big aspirations in terms of college or a career but what he does aspire to is just as important as any other dream.

it's interesting that he doesn't just say he wants a big family but instead, makes sure to emphasize that he wants a big family that are close and spent time together. he wants to cram the whole gang in a damn winnebago and travel together. his dream is no less important than nancy's but it is totally incompatible.

i think steve regressed in season 4 because he was scared. the idea of fighting vecna and not having someone to love romantically made steve fall back on his old feelings for nancy. because steve said himself he was over her. he'd been dating. actively trying to find someone.

it was the circumstance that led to the weirdness between them.

if you follow me, then you know steve harrington is like my ride or die. i think he's maybe my favorite character of all time. so true, i do not want to see him with someone who called him bullshit and was obviously moving on emotionally with another guy while still dating steve.

(i personally don't think she cheated on him, but considered that moment the break up. even if it she did cheat on him, i love nancy. she was a teenager who'd lost her best friend and was dealing with a ton of shit and it doesn't make her bad even if she had cheated.)

all three deserve happy endings that suit who they are and where they are it. i really hope that we get to see that reflected in vol. 5.

[shioaoi]

Something that has been nagging at me since 4x03 is the parameters which the curse seems to operate.

Because it has only ever activated when they have kissed, or come close to kissing.

As an Asexual - watching Nancy and Ace just instantly give up and not try to work around the curse just feels almost insulting.

I get some people need physical intimacy, but the way this curse seems to only activate when it comes to physical acts makes its seem that love on exists when there is physical intimacy.

What made Nace so great was their relationship was never about that physical intimacy, it was always about being there for eachother emotionally. It's why I fell in love with these two because it was a relationship built on trust, care and pure support - the physical aspect was always a secondary thing.

So both of them just, not trying to be together without the physical intimacy just feels out of character and just boils their relationship down to - well we can't be intimate guess this relationship is a bust. It's such a teen drama way of looking at relationships and I thought this show was above that.

Us Asexuals have so little rep as it is, and just seeing this ship that was so beautiful because it was more than the need for physical affection just be destroyed by its apparent need for it hurts my soul.

[mikereads]

I genuinely think some of you need to learn what open ended means because this was not that. I could name an example of a non canon couple who sadly had a open ending in recent years. Somehow 911 did even less that that. I know some would prefer to stay positive but they also don’t want to admit they were wrong. Being upset buddie may not happen is one thing but this…. The show knew what they were doing when they ended it having them paired with other people. With women no less, they knew what they were doing and they had a certain message they wanted to send across. You can interpret the show anyway you want but that isn’t always the same way they want to interpret it. They have been saying that especially KR for a long time. So sure watch it whatever way you want but that doesn’t mean it will happen on screen. She and many others has a story they wanted to tell and well it wasn’t the one we wanted to see. The one it seemed they have been building up on for years. But then again isn’t that the definition of queerbait. You know the word some in this fandom don’t want to touch with a ten inch pole because what they were proved wrong or this is there first non canon couple and “there” show is different sigh hon but nope. This was and is exactly what it look like qb. Not saying it doesn’t make the show runners like you any more or buddie happening any more likely no matter what bs Tim has said previously. At the end of the day if it walks like a duck….

[buckleydiazes]

the thing is, if byler isnt endgame, i'm not going to be angry about shipbaiting or mike not being confirmed queer or 'losing the ship war' against melvins or whatever. what i'll be angry about is that it would be a shit writing decision that leaves all three characters in the love triangle ultimately miserable, even if they try to cover it up with a no really everyone is perfectly happy! sort of ending.

m*leven does not work at its core. aside from liking to kiss each other, their relationship is regularly in turmoil. they don't communicate well. their relationship is shallow. they make each other insecure. they do not meet each other's needs, despite caring about each other deeply.

comparatively, byler does have a basis for a good relationship. they know each other better than anyone else. they communicate both verbally and nonverbally. they have shared interests and enjoy talking to each other about things beyond kissing or the latest monster/villain. they make each other feel secure and safe and cherished. they are complimentary in basically every way.

if the duffers decide not to go the byler route, then mike & el continue to stay in an unhappy relationship for the sake of... fanservice? convenience? conventionality? and will continues to be another sad gay character who is in unrequited love with a straight boy but it's okay because he's just so selfless. how groundbreaking. definitely what we need more of on tv. /s

[greensaplinggrace]

“the safest hands are our own” still the worst marvel quote of all time

[bisexualbvck]

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excuse me I'm annoyed and I'm gonna rant for a second :)

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[giibh]

Bughead doesn't just deserve to be endgame, but to get married, after all, these last 3 years we've only suffered. Barchie Stan doesn't deserve shit. So Bughead wedding at the end👰🏼‍♀️💍

[keepingmyoptionsfluid]

You guys need to calm the fuck down. You're not better than new fans, you're not better than people who are happy bisexuals get representation. Go outside and touch some grass and stop being chronically online. You're making the fandom more toxic because you personally don't like a decision? Grow the fuck up

(who needs homophobes spewing hate us for this when we have so many militant buddie fans attacking anyone who is excited)

[passionate2020]

I am feeling so incredibly disheartened with #Riverdale at the moment.. it has gone from being my favourite show and something that I use to look forward to watching each week to something that just makes me feel sad and incredibly nostalgic. Also, I know fictional characters are suppose to change, develop, etc but.. I just miss #Bughead so darn freaking much…

Betty and Jughead getting together and their friendship dynamic with Archie/Veronica/Jughead/Betty was the reason why I loved watching the show in the first place…

Additionally, unlike the comic books where two women constantly chasing after a ‘perfect’ red haired stallion who craves female attention; I really liked that Roberto took a different approach. In seasons 1-4 Betty got her own story and actually HAD her own identity outside of Archie Andrews.

Betty didn’t get the ‘love’ she had always fantasised about while growing up, but she did find something greater: the love she actually needed in an unlikely place. Also, Jughead Jones did not hold Betty up to unrealistic standards and he loved Betty for exactly who she was. She never had to pretend or censor herself with Jughead. Ever.

Anyway, sad rant over.

[marrow-minded]

not me just realizing that this was the "poisoning and almost dying" of her snow white allusion i hate it here