#esfp/intj same function stack opposite order etc etc

[ninicaise]

bc capri is literally like. we are all the same except we are all different but we are all the same. it's a matter of perspectives. it's on you to shift your perspective when the situation demands it of you. there is something wonderful in shifting perspectives. there is something terrible in it as well. everything has two sides. nothing is what it seems. everything is exactly what it seems. it was one kingdom once. the things that divide us feel like a knife. we can never move past what we have done to each other. we can look at what we have done to each other on a different light. we are all the same except we are all different but we are all the same. we are the same single thing. [shakes you by the shoulders] do you understand?

[theastrophilearchitect]

MBTI 201: cognitive functions.

What MBTI is actually about.

I recently made a post explaining what MBTI is, and what the letters in each code mean, which can be found here. During which I mentioned something called cognitive functions about a million types, but didn’t explain. That’s today’s job.

Cognitive functions are essentially mental processes, like the algorithms your brain uses to respond to situations. There are eight functions; introverted and extroverted versions of each intuition (N), sensing (S), thinking (T), and feeling (F), abbreviated to the function’s letter followed by either a lowercase e or i for introversion or extroversion.

Each type’s letters determine its function stack, which is the order in which they can access the functions. Every type has all eight, but your function stack is made of your first four, and 5-8 are sometimes referred to as shadow functions, because they are significantly weaker that those in the stack. Your first function is called your dominant, second your auxiliary, third your tertiary, and fourth your inferior.

You can simply google the function stack for your type, but this is how you work it out:

First, if you are a J type, your third letter is extroverted, eg. xxFJs have an Fe function, xxTJs have a Te function. For P types, your second letter is extroverted: Ne for xNxPs; Se for xSxPs. Because this function correlates to one of your middle two letters, it must be either your dominant or your auxiliary function. However, an extroverted (Exxx) type must have an extroverted function as their dominant, and introverted (Ixxx) types must have an introverted dominant. 

I’m going to use, say, ESFP, and INTJ as my examples here. ESFP is a perceiving type, meaning its second letter, S, is extroverted. Se is then one of its first two functions. ESFP is extroverted, as is Se, so an ESFP is Se dominant. INTJ is judging, so its third letter, T, is extroverted, giving it Te. However, INTJ is introverted, meaning Te cannot be its dominant function, and is therefore its auxiliary.

Your function stack alternates between extroverted and introverted. The other of your middle two letters is also one of your top two, and is introverted or extroverted based on this pattern. For example, ESFP, Se dominant, must have a feeling auxiliary function, and has an extroverted dominant, meaning its auxiliary must be Fi, introverted feeling. INTJ, Te auxiliary, must have an intuitive dominant function. Its auxiliary is extroverted, so its dominant is introverted, therefore Ni, introverted intuition.

Your tertiary function is the exact opposite of your auxiliary, and your inferior is the exact opposite of your dominant. Therefore, an ESFP, Se dominant, Fi auxiliary, is Te tertiary, and Ni inferior. An INTJ is Ni dominant and Te auxiliary, so is also Fi tertiary and Se inferior. 

Just to clarify, ESFP’s function stack is Se, Fi, Te, Ni. INTJ’s function stack is Ni, Te, Fi, Se. As seen in this example, types with completely opposite letter codes actually have all the same functions, just in opposite order.

Shadow functions, 5-8, correspond to 1-4, only the introversion or extroversion is opposite. For example, INTJ’s first is Ni, so its fifth is Ne. Its second is Te, so its sixth is Ti, etc. etc.

Because of this, the type with an exactly opposite order of functions is not its complete letter opposite. For example, an INTJ’s ‘opposite’ is actually the ISFJ, who has Fi as their first where INTJ has it eighth, Se as their second where INTJ has it seventh, etc. etc..

The last letter, J or P, in a type’s code has the most impact, because it determines which functions are extroverted or introverted. The second and third letters determine which are one and two, and the first letter. I or E, only determines whether a function is the type’s dominant or auxiliary. This means, functionally speaking, any Ixxx type is most similar to its Exxx counterpart, and vice versa.

When presented with anything, each type will first try to comprehend it with their dominant function, then subconsciously move down the list. 

Take Ti versus Fe. A Ti dominant type (INTP and ISTP) will first tackle a thing with this function, and will reach Fe last, while a Ti auxiliary (ENTP and ESTP) will reach Fe immediately after Ti (though it will first act with its dominant). This means a type’s auxiliary and tertiary functions are far more balanced than its dominant and inferior. For example, an ENFJ is Fe dominant and Ni auxiliary, so its Ni and Se functions are far more balanced that its Fe and Ti.

As for what the functions each mean, they actually act very differently based on its position in the stack, but this summarises them well:

If you search for a specific type’s functions, you can also find how each function acts in its position, eg.

If your type is difficult to determine, function comparisons such as these can help you to differentiate. For me, there was no question that I was an INTx. I act more like your typical INTJ, and many of the descriptions do apply to me, but I think like an INTP, so that is what I am.

MBTI and cognitive functions help to give me a sense of identity and understanding in the world, a tangibility to things intangible. As an INTP, comprehension is something I obsess over, especially when other people are so confusing. MBTI isn’t perfect, and the lines between each type aren’t as bold as it may lead you to believe, but it helps me to root myself in the world, in knowing there is a reason for everything.

[palmett-hoes]

what's your take on the foxes mbti?

oh buddy ur never gonna believe this but i wrote a foxes MBTI post YEARS ago

im also not into mbti anymore and haven't been for many years so that post is probably still more accurate and in-depth than what i could give you now. i’m just gonna copy the whole thing but i read it over and it still totally vibes w how i understand the characters, like way more than i was expecting it to. i only made one edit (it’s marked) and it was to add a detail not change anything

i hope you’re really really into mbti otherwise this’ll probably be gobbeldegook

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i used to be obessively into mbti so here’s an analysis based on cognitive functions mostly.

SKIP IF YOU WANT. for anyone with no idea how it works, here’s a quick rundown: cognitive functions are about the way people think, process, and prioritize information, not necessarily how they act, though people who think the same way often act the same. the 8 letters that make up a type represent how people process and prioritize internal and external stimuli. every letter actually has an ‘internal’ and 'external’ form so there’s Thinking (internal(ti) and external(te)), Feeling (internal(fi) and external(fe)), Sensing (internal(si) and external(se)), and iNtuition(internal(ni) and external(ne)) t’s always go with a corresponding and opposite f (like ti and fe always go together), same with s’s and n’s (ex: si and ne always go together). a set of  t, f, s, and n in a specific order makes an mbti type.

neil: intp (ti ne si fe)

neil has incredible analytical ability although it’s very programmed for survival but he’s also a fast thinker and very quick to adapt to new environments. he also approaches things from original angles that other people dont consider, all that sounds like high ti/ne. the lower functions fit well too. in times of stress, he returns to old habits and falls back on what’s familiar, that’s classic low si. his emotions are also very exterior. he’s bad with other people from lack of exposure, but he’s committed to harmony between those close to him and has an impeccable ability to read the emotional states of others while being completely oblivious of his own, and his sense of self is tied to exterior things like exy, friends, keys, and legal documents (lol) that’s fe

andrew: intj (ni te fi se)

ni is really hard to describe but it has to do with being able to draw conclusions from scattered input, which fits with andrew’s uncanny ability to spot lies and obsession with finding out the truth, especially with high te, which is about spatial order and logic, think of how prioritized he is with the physical order of things: who sits where, who wears what, etc. a lot of people want to make andrew infj i bet as like a “subversive reading” but he’s definitely not. i used to be really close to an infj and they have hyper-empathy, as in she would describe not just caring about other people and being able to read their emotional states but literally feeling the things the people around her felt. this is a common result of the ni/fe combo, and the reason why andrew is definitely not infj. tertiary fi fits very well instead because andrew is deeply attuned to his own inner emotional state. he’s self-confident and doesn’t care about other people’s perception of him, but he’s also very concerned with his own feelings and understanding them, even if they’re repressed. he’s also very aware of his physical surroundings, which plays into his deductive ability, although it’s not his focus. that’s low se

kevin: estj (te si ne fi)

kevin is a classic estj. he’s controlling, demanding, and driven. he tries to control the actions of those around him and gets very distressed when things dont run smoothly, as well as having strong feelings about improving efficiency. high te people make great managers. kevin’s whole story arc is about breaking old habits, which is a very si problem. it has to do with trusting and craving memory and familiarity, and explains kevins need for endless repetition. he’s innovative, though, coming up with new strategies and drills (ne), it’s just based on what’s already familiar, and you can see him spiral into creating all possible worst-case scenarios when he’s stressed (low ne stress reaction, they like to be prepared). finally, he’s a dick, but he cares about other people and wants to improve their lives, as well as being very reliant on other people’s perceptions of him to define his own self-image (low fe)

dan: esfj (fe si ne ti)

dan’s top priority, over everything else, is her team. she wants her team to improve, she wants her team to win, she wants her team to work together. it’s all about the collective. we also see that she’s very open with others and makes a lot of effort to both make new ties and maintain old ones, that’s high fe. she’s sentimental and attached to the past too (si)  esp the photo wall, but we also see her very unwilling to let go of the past ie the monsters but eventually willing to change and grow to mend team cohesion (ne). we also see the fight in underlying logic (low ti) with her: she knows the team needs the monsters to cooperate but she cant figure out how to do it

matt: enfj (fe ni se ti)

so enfj’s experience infj hyper-empathy too, but to a slightly lesser extent (primary fe is more group cohesion, secondary fe is more understanding others), and through this we see matt’s easy-going open friendliness and ability to befriend even prickly little neil, because he has an extremely good sense of what other people are feeling and need, it also explains why he doesn’t hold a grudge against the cousins in the same way dan does, because he understands where they were coming from. se is associated with a general boisterousness for life, as it’s about experiencing the world around you, which explains matt’s happy-go-lucky disposition and puppydog behavior. the ti aspects mostly go into supporting fe/ni empathic senses

allison: entj (te ni se fi)

i mean, allison’s controlling, both in that she orders other people around and in that her physical being and space are very planned and organized (her clothes, her hair, her makeup, etc) but at the same time there isn’t much sentimentality to her, like how she doesn’t care when her car was destroyed. she easily replaces things because she cares about the object’s purpose, not its history and that all smacks of high te/ni. and i mean, the se definitely contributes to her love of designer things and killer looks, because she cares about the world immediately around her, and why live if not in luxury? and fi? is there any character more aggressively self-confident than allison reynolds?? going against her parents’ wishes for her takes a really strong, independent sense of self, but we also see the problems that can come from not worrying about other people, in how she starts fights and can be abrasive and catty

renee: infp (fi ne si te)

okay this one was really hard tbh. a list of other considerations: isfp, istp, and infj. it’s very easy to read renee as high fe because she’s kind, but i think it’s a mischaracteration of why she’s kind. it’s not because it comes naturally to her, it’s because it’s a conscious choice that makes her feel better about herself. high fi people often read as fe because they’re so comfortable with themselves and in tune with their own needs that they can then go and provide for others. i associate her religion with ne, because contemplation and acceptance of the divine later in life is a very metaphysical undertaking that undoubtedly requires a lot of abstract thought. renee’s storyline also revolves a lot around using things from her past and putting a conscious effort into leaving things from her past behind (how she still uses the skills she learned from her past in new ways ie sparring with andrew and protecting the upperclassmen v/s how she held on to her knives even when she knew it was detrimental to her moving on) this sounds like si. her protective instincts also feed into the te need for order, but it’s a looser leash than say andrew, as it’s lower on her function stack but still present

nicky: esfp (se fi te ni)

godd nicky is like a prototypical esfp. i mean nicholas “sex, drugs, and parties” hemmick cant be anything but se dominant. nicky is all about living it up and living in the moment. like he’s sporadic and ive seen it lead people to think he could be enfp but he doesn’t think enough about the meaning of things to be ne dominant (like how he makes somewhat predatory jokes and such, he’s all about the here-and-now while ne is about the past and future simultaneously). also he of all characters has incredibly prominent fi, as his whole character is about living unashamedly as himself as a gay man and the immense self-awareness and inner strength it takes not only to come out to unaccepting parents but also to leave and start a new life when they rejected him. however, fi is also indicative of his communication problems with his family, as he’s unable to tell that the cousins are fundamentally different from him in their needs and boundaries, leading him to pushing them, making them uncomfortable, and being unable to help them, because he’s unable to understand them. the rest are much more hidden, but a party boy shopaholic like nicky would probably need some amount of te order in like an organized chaos fashion (and he’s often headcanoned as liking to throw parties) and you do see him become somewhat pushy, even controlling in those scenarios. ni is the hardest but could maybe be seen in how he’s attuned to the cousins reactions for all that he cant predict them/doesn’t do anything on his own part to prevent them (the way he handles andrew is like if someone poked a rattlesnake knowing damn well what it would do and then freaked out when he got bit)

aaron: istj (si te fi ne)

im a little iffy on this one and worry it might be an analysis based on his trauma instead of complimentary to it, but aaron’s arc is about breaking out of his habit of holding on to the past. he refuses to work towards moving on from his mother’s death, refuses to listen to things that contradict his preconceived notions, and refuses to make changes in his life that could improve it. that’s unhealthy si. he’s really a very unhealthy istj, and most of his traits manifest through his unhappiness with his life. take his te. that would imply that he needs control over his surroundings, but aaron is incredibly bitter and unhappy BECAUSE he doesn’t have control of his surroundings. he doesn’t get to make his own choices, he doesn’t get to control his space, and he hates it. his relationship with katelyn is also indicative of being an istj. it’s stable, not a passionate fling, but aaron is mocked for wanting that white picket fence, married with kids in the suburbs kind of life, and his relationship, which is his primary source of happiness, is built on stability, which is a very si thing to do. in terms of fi, it is aaron that ultimately forces change between himself and andrew. he may have been pushed but he ultimately came down to him knowing what made him happy and what made him miserable and acting on that. also, he’s an ornery asshole who clearly doesn’t care what other people think of him. fi. i dont really have anything to say in terms of ne, probably because he’s so unhealthy but also because he’s not too explored. heyy istj’s make great doctors

wymack: isfj (si fe ti ne)

okay this one was genuinely the hardest to decide on but ultimately i came to the conclusion that wymack, much like renee, is such a developed person that he loses many defining traits of the functions, and can be read in many different ways. so: wymack’s primary goal is the safety and betterment of other people (ie his team). he wants to help people overcome their pasts, which is a very atypical approach to si, but is si nonetheless. on a personal level, too, he’s never able to move on from people, and specifically never moved on from kayleigh,  continuing their shared dream of an exy team for abused kids long after her death. as ive said before, fe in a secondary position is about deep understanding of other people, and wymack’s ability to understand what other people are struggling through is legendary. the ti mostly serves as support to the fe, serving as the analytical backup in allowing him to understand others. as for ne: he is most definitely an innovator with unusual ideas, or the foxes wouldn’t exist

riko: estp (se ti fe ni)

riko is basically what happens when an estp goes bad down to the core. he’s obsessed with personal glory and immediate self-fulfillment (se) he has no impulse control or fear of consequences. interestingly, high se is often associated with athleticism, because high se people are intensly focused on their surroundings (exy). his ti is also super unhealthy as he gets obsessed with ideas that dont really work with objective reality, like his obsession with ownership and power dynamics despite them not actually being efficient, even backwards. the tertiary fe he uses to manipulate. he doesn’t empathize with others, but he can tell their emotional state and what’s important to them, and uses it to coerce them and destroy their sense of self, like how he knew he could get neil to the nest by threatening andrew. EDIT: /additionally, fe people especially in the lower half of the function stack tend to derive their sense of self from the perceptions of others around them, which riko very much shows in how he needs to be acknowledged as the best and won’t allow any competition for his title, as well as his desperation for acknowledgement from his family/. finally, that ni allowed him to keep multiple plans in place focused on one ultimate goal: getting kevin back. the sheer amount of schemes he sets up in order to fool and push people the way he wants is honestly kinda impressive, but he’s a toxic shithead and im glad he’s rotting. definitely not representative of all estp���s

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this is honestly SO funny to read back a few years later bc HOOOOO boy was i way too into this stuff. and this was written a couple years after my Peak MBTI Obsession, which was honestly scary

[intp-tells-it-like-it-is]

Hi, I love your blog!

What would be the difference between Se-Fi Fi-Se and between Te-Ni Ni-Te? And could you please give me an example that could applies to a situation? I know my cognitive functions but I don't know the order 😭

Hi, thank you!!

I think what you are asking about is essentially the difference between an ESFP and ISFP, and between an ENTJ and INTJ. Those four types are different enough that if you can narrow it down to two, that will make determining your type a lot easier. The strengths of one are the weaknesses of the other.

I’m going to give you my explanation of how the functions might express themselves in these stacks. I’m sure there are people who experience them differently than this, but I think it will paint enough of a picture for you to narrow down to two.

xNTJs are typically driven by optimization. Their main goal is to understand a specific problem in-depth (Ni) and swiftly and efficiently solve the problem (Te). Their weaker points are in Fi and Se, which may be in taking care of themself and paying attention to their surroundings (Se) or in their moral standards and adherence to personal beliefs and principles (Fi). For inferior Se, you could either strive for optimal wellbeing by overexercising, detoxing, etc. or be a stressed out couch potato with a habit of overeating when your goal-oriented Ni feels stagnant or too far away. Inferior Fi might throw away its morals in exchange for optimization or berate itself for being insensitive when Te is pressuring it to keep moving forward.

xSFPs typically prioritize comfort, engagement, and self-expression. Their main goal is to find freedom to express themself however they want (Fi) and comfort, excitement, or aesthetics in their day-to-day (Se). Their weaker points are in Te and Ni, which may be in foreseeing consequences and exercising restraint (Ni) or defending their beliefs without lashing out or shutting down to protect themself (Te). For inferior Ni, you could have a habit of repeating poor behaviors or not looking before you leap because you are relying on Se to guide your footing. For inferior Te, you may avoid conflict and prefer to stick to safe spaces or have a habit of shutting yourself off to recollect yourself when Fi is challenged or offended.

The key here is that xSFPs and xNTJs have opposite strengths and weaknesses, even though they share the same functions. If you can tease apart which strengths and weaknesses seem more like you, I would look at the inferior functions to figure out if you are the extroverted or introverted variation.

A lot of the time it can be difficult to see the dominant function clearly if it is introverted like Fi or Ni, because it is happening internally rather than externally like Se or Te. So when you look at the dominant and inferior functions as more of a balancing beam, you can start to understand where your core strength and weakness are.

[just-mbti-things]

Hii, how do u work out other peoples mbti’s? And how do you work out their sign when you write Si-Fe etc? Im new to this it would help a lot thank u!

Hi anon, this is probably the longest ask I’ve written and I am sorry. I hope it helps!

In real life we usually type people first based off the acronym to give a general idea of where they should be. This means looking at I vs E, N vs S, T vs F and J vs P. Here’s a quick description of what we look for: 

I: Is energized and recharged by spending time alone, perhaps drained after spending time with others. Being conventionally introverted (shy, quiet, reserved, etc.) is also taken into consideration but to a lesser extent. 

E: Is energized and recharged by spending time by others, perhaps drained after prolonged isolation. Being conventionally extroverted (gregarious, loud, outgoing, etc.) is also taken into consideration but to a lesser extent. 

N: They perceive the world through their minds, examining patterns, meanings, connections and the big picture. They are future-oriented and enjoy looking at theories and ideas. We also look for people who are more imaginative and visionary but this is more for backing up the aforementioned characteristics. 

S: They perceive the world through the senses, noticing details, picking up facts, concrete ideas and applying it in useful ways. They are present-oriented and draw upon past experiences. we also look for people who are more grounded and realistic but this is more for backing up the aforementioned characteristics. 

T: When making a decision this person will generally lean towards the logical, efficient, rational choice. We also look for qualities such as logical skills, pattern recognition, analytical skills, etc. used in everyday practice. 

F: When making a decision this person will generally lean towards the choice that is morally correct (according to their morals) and will keep as many people happy as possible. We also look for qualities such as empathy, ability to comfort others, ability to make moral judgements, and understanding of others’ feelings, etc. used in everyday practice. 

J: Someone who lives a more structured and orderly life. They prefer to have a plan and settle on a decision. They also tend to be task-oriented and organized and struggle with the sudden need to adapt to a situation.

P: Someone who lives a more spontaneous and casual life. They prefer to ‘go with the flow’ adapting to the situation as they go. They are flexible and more open to change but will struggle with keeping to a schedule. 

You mentioned Si and Fe, which are two of the eight cognitive functions. I suggest you go here to the “What are the cognitive functions?” section of our FAQ page before continuing. 

Once we have assigned a person a 4 letter type, we look at the cognitive functions and see if the corresponding function stack of that type works with that person. If it doesn’t match or there’s a better stack we work to decide which function best suits the dominant position and usually end up with an auxiliary function in the process. Then we look at the last two functions to confirm our choices and finally assign a type. This works in real life because we can speak directly with the person and ask them questions to help us determine the various aspects. MBTI is a way to categorize cognitive processing which is all internal so you need to try and get into someone’s head and figure out how they think. Just cause someone acts like the stereotype of one type doesn’t mean they think like that type. 

Over the internet is a little different since you’re usually typing someone off their free quiz results and a blurb about themselves. We try to follow a similar process. We use the test results as an idea of where this person will land. Either way, we move to the cognitive functions and look at their stack. To find someone’s type we try writing out the eight functions from strongest to weakest in that particular person. I’ll use myself as an example to give an idea: Ni Te Ti Fi Si Ne Fe Se So this is what I get when I order my cognitive functions from strongest to weakest. 

As I mentioned, each MBTI type has a function stack. Here are the function stacks of each type: 

INTJ: Ni Te Fi Se

INFJ: Ni Fe Ti Se 

ENTP: Ne Ti Fe Si

ENFP: Ne Fi Te Si

ISTJ: Si Te Fi Ne

ISFJ: Si Fe Ti Ne 

ESTP: Se Ti Fe Ni

ESFP: Se Fi Te Ni

ISTP: Ti Se Ni Fe

INTP: Ti Ne Si Fe

ESTJ: Te Si Ne Fi

ENTJ: Te Ni Se Fi

ISFP: Fi Se Ni Te

INFP: Fi Ne Si Te

ESFJ: Fe Si Ne Ti

ENFJ: Fe Ni Se Ti

So you’ll notice my stack doesn’t match up with any of the MBTI types. That’s okay. The way the stacks work you don’t have both the introverted and extroverted function in the same stack. That’s why I (the INTJ admin) don’t have Ti in my stack despite me placing it as my third strongest function. So we start off by looking at the strongest function of the 8. Mine is Ni. A type’s strongest function is called the dominant function and appears first in the stack. If we look through the stacks we see INTJ and INFJ have Ni as the dominant. Now here we take the acronym into consideration. Lets say we typed me off the acronym as a strong E (extroverted) type because being with my friends is what makes me feel alive and we only narrowly placed Ni above Te. Chances are in this situation Ni is not the dominant function but rather it is the second strongest function called the auxiliary. Then we’d be looking at ENFJ and ENTJ instead. We will then look at the next strongest function in the set of 8 with the opposite nature of the strongest one (if the strongest is an i we are looking for an e and vice versa). This is because the auxiliary and the dominate are always opposite in terms of i and e. In our example we are looking at Te. If we believe Ni is the dominant we must decide if Te is the auxiliary. Likewise, if we believe Ni is the auxiliary we must decide if Te is the dominant. This involves examining the role of that function and seeing how it apply to you. Another way I like to determine the dominant and auxiliary functions is asking yourself two questions:

What is the primary mode with which I interact with the world? How do people see me? How do I portray myself to others? 

What is the primary mode with which I reflect internally and on myself. How do I see myself? What is at the core that others may not necessarily see? 

The first question will give you your strongest extroverted function. For me, I am very much a T so that gives me Te. The second question will give you your strongest introverted function. For me, that is absolutely N so that gives me Ni. 

Then, if you classify yourself as an MBTI extrovert the strongest extroverted function is the dominant but if you classify yourself as an MBTI introvert the dominant is the strongest introverted function. Having both the dominant and auxiliary decided you will match a type. 

Still with me? Shout out to anyone who’s made it this far!

Okay so as for the other two functions in the stack, I used them to reaffirm the conclusion we made from the dominant and auxiliary functions. The third function is the tertiary and to be honest I usually skip over it since from what I’ve seen in myself and others, the majority of the functions that are not in the stack act somewhat similar to the tertiary function which makes it difficult to decide which is supposed to go into the stack. The one thing you will see with the specific tertiary function that you probably won’t with the other functions is looping  but that is another ask for another time. The fourth function is the inferior function and this is your least developed, weakest function. For this we look at the stack that we got from the dominant and the auxiliary and look at the last function in that stack. In our example I have INTJ as my type and Se is the last function there. Then we have to consider wether or not this function is underdeveloped. It should appear near the end of your set of 8. 

Last thing we do is go back to the type we first assigned based off acronym. The type we got based off the cognitive functions should be similar. You probably won’t get ESFJ as from the acronym and then INTJ from the cognitive functions. If you do you may be having some problems with misinformation from stereotypes or whatnot.  

- INTJ admin 

(Hi I’m just here to let people know that I just updated our FAQ page with a lot of this information, and to tell people that they should totally go look at it because I have no idea if anyone reads that thing. Okay, thanks, bye. -INTP admin)

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@emeraldlatias I’m Replying to you here so i don’t make a HUGE wall of text when reblogging my ask...

Thanks for the input! This was an interesting read, but tbh I still would argue with most of your typings.

For Squall, I still find him a heavy Ni user, just cause he doesn’t apparently plan ahead it doesn’t mean he’s not an NJ (this feels like bad use of Te), he’s merely a teenager really close to enter adulthood and is struggling with the same problems just like everyone that age, he is cold, arrogant, pushes everyone away from him, this is very typical immature INTJ behaviour, thinking he can do everything by himself, being detached, and almost living completely in his head. His inner monologues feel Very Ni-Fi also, and he doesn’t have much concern for duty, responsibility and being of help to a community, he was always difficult to work with, and resented assuming leadership, even though he is the first to ensure that what is necessary gets done (all sounds very Ni-Te, capable of carrying out duties but resents it). He is capable and assumes responsibility, but in a very forceful manner, he even dislikes it when he is appointed commander of Balamb Garden, and also when ppl start giving him orders he becomes frustrated as well (this is near opposite of Si, and tertiary Fi acting up taking things too personally), he’s very anti-social. Overall he is heavily independent (a very big INTJ trait) and I simply don’t see inferior Ne in him at all, a Si-dom would do their utmost to reject Ne in order to protect their ego-image as a “careful, reliable, and thoughtful” person, and this isn’t what Squall does at all.

For Rinoa, this one I could agree with you, she is definitely a EXFJ and the inferior Ti is clear, but to me she felt more Ni-Se, rather than Si-Ne. Like Squall she is another struggling teenager, she is very stubborn, naive, often does what she wants and acts in a rebellious manner (particularly towards her father) and she is quite impulsive, acting without thinking and often getting in trouble (this feels like Se acting up, ignoring Ni and inferior Ti manifesting itself). A function like Si is not impulsive nor is Ne (in a big way) when tertiary or inferior, Rinoa gets often too caught up in the moment (rather than in the past) which even makes her look like a xxxP type, but this is ENFJ’s Se acting up (whom are sometimes even confused with ESFPs). Like u said, she’s an ideas person, u can even see her in the Balamb Garden library (reading books?) when she’s not with the party, but i still find it she has Ni, rather than Si. Ni itself is about seeing future outcomes, and planning based on those visions would come with Fe/Te, but since she has Fe she does not plan with facts or logic, but rather the emotions of others, values, ethics etc… this in exchange shows her poor Ti and how she failed to carry out plans correctly (like in the Train with the president). She could easily be an ENFJ just like ESFJ, not really far off the mark.

Laguna… this is one I can also agree with being ENFP cause I debated him being ENFP too. What made me decide go for ESFJ however was how much he felt like a Fe-dom user, he felt slightly like Rinoa and could have gone for ENFJ too but that didn’t seem right, it felt like he had the Si&Ne pair instead. He feels like a direct opposite of Squall, (having INTJ and ESFJ in mind, they don’t share any common functions and do everything differently). Unlike the rest of the cast he is older, 22 in flashbacks and 44 in the main story, so he is gonna have a more balanced functional stack there and looks like a mature ESFJ. In the flashbacks he is awful at following up to plans requiring external consideration of facts, logic and reason (much like Rinoa, another Ti inferior user), he thinks he is going well with his course of action but then he realises he is mistaken and clueless as to what to do (much to the frustration of his comrades) however he thinks about others and finds his way to get out of those situations, has this big concern for external harmony so I couldn’t help but Type ESFJ. His style of combat also feels like relying on past experience heavily, i didn’t feel like he was Si inferior but I can see why you type him as and ENFP and can agree with that too.

Quistis: Classic overachiever could very well relate to INFJ, specially to reaffirm that she is smart (Ni). Ni does not mean intelligence, but it does bring a degree of “know it all” confidence to assert themselves quietly (in the case of an INFJ). We can agree she uses secondary Fe and tertiary Ti, however Se seems more befitting as inferior, she is not impulsive at all and has a very stoic, composed aura (ISFJs would a appear more warm, accommodating and serene). Ne inferior would make the Si-dom not apt to radical or risky thought/behavior, but this isn’t a problem for Quists (cause she has Ni). She does not go wild, but she can think differently (plus she is not stuck on the past, more like on ideas and the feelings she has about others). Also I don’t see how doubting self-worth/talent and seeking out others to listen is a Si-Fe and Inferior Ne trait, this is something all types can experience and is not particular to ISFJ behaviour. As for what happened in Deling City, she was stressed and conflicted to act efficiently, this a mistake a normal INFJ could make cause they value external harmony a lot, Ti acting up blocking the insight of Ni can make the INFJ make this mistake. You seem to be very biased with Ni-users thinking they are very strict planners who follow up through their plans no matter what but the rest of the functions can bring information Ni hasn’t taken and make them doubt themselves/ act in irrational ways / change their course of action abruptly. Ni gives you visions and insights, and the functions that build the plans using this information is Te and Fe, not Ni.

Seifer being ESFP is the one i have most conflict with (even ESTP would have been more accurate), his bullying tendencies seem to manifest from inferior Fi, he is the typical Te-dom bully who’s very conflicted internally and takes out his anger on others to compensate. He is rude and has been picking on other kids since young (ESFPs bully others if they are getting in the way of their fun, Seifer however does not seem worried about this at all). He also has many parallels with Squall being both TJs, saying he is ESFP contrasts a lot with him, and both are fighting to prove their superiority. The only Se I would see in him is how impulsive he can get, defies authority figures and considers that others should defer to taking orders from him, but again this is Te and inferior Fi acting up, he loves being boss and having others do what he wants. Also Being unable to let go of the Romantic Dream™  is inferior Fi and Te acting up, he has extreme loyalty to Edea and his actions feel very Si paired with Te. Plus he is the head of the disciplinary committee, this screams Te, he is responsible and has no trouble performing tasks (unless he is internal conflicts start acting up).

Overall I wasn’t really off the mark with my typings (it was mostly Ni-Si differences) and Selphie and maybe Laguna are the only ones I can see being mistyped but not the rest. But tbh I can accept everyone has different perceptions on each character’s type and I find it difficult for everyone to agree with them so lmao, If you have more to say i’ll gladly listen! It’s fun discussing type theory, but i’ll leave my typings the way they are lmao.