#gencest thoughts

[dailywincestspam]

Thinking about 15x20 and Dean Jr. having to be Sam’s executor of estate after his dad’s death. I’m torn between Dean jr. being surprised or used to the kind of wishes recorded in Sam’s will:

Sam requesting to be bury beside Dean’s ashes. I imagine Dean Jr. would have sneak in under the cover of night and disturb the dirt on his grandmother’s grave, find the spot where Dean’s ashes, the samulet, and his grandpa’s tags were buried and add his dad in. Then cover it all up and probably couldn’t talk about that experience with anyone or else a lot of uncomfortable questions would pop up.

Sam possibly leaving behind a fund to take care of the impala with the request to leave in the army figures, squeaky doors, and legos in. Probably leaving behind a list of don’ts too. Like, don’t play music besides 80′s mullet rock, don’t ride the breaks, and don’t add any car adapters too it or, “Your namesake might rise from the grave, seriously.” Sam also adds in that Dean Jr. shouldn’t use black lights anywhere near or inside the car, “Don’t ask.”

Also the Impala on earth is somehow connected to the impala in heaven. Dean figures this out after the first few times something changed in the boy’s heaven impala and Dean has to change it back. Dean decides to write Dean Jr. some choice words for him to find in Baby’s glove box in the aftermath. Sam finds out about it soon after and gets all soft and teary eyed as he uses it as a way to keep up with Dean Jr.’s life. 

Anyway, Baby becomes this eldritch item back on earth that never rusts or has an empty tank, is connected to Sam and Dean’s impala in heaven, and will forever drive around on Earth around as long as a Winchester is in her driver’s seat.

[monstersandbrothers]

I saw a post on here a while ago and wish I could find it again but basically it was about how OP doesn’t think wincest is unrequited so much as it is unspoken and I haven’t stopped thinking about it since. because like . Yes. Yes. Y es . i’m pretty much on board with any kind of wincest u present to me, platonic, romantic, familial, unrequited, requited, I’ll take the freaks in any form no notes. But. a version of samdean where they are both AGONIZINGLY in love with each other but believe there is no way the other feels the same OR that they both know exactly how weird they are about each other but are afraid to look at it directly or bring it into the light because the ramifications of doing so are so monumental and it doesn’t really matter anyway because they will never change. Like I’m personally a big fan of “nothing physical happened between them pre-Stanford but whatever WAS between them was so all-consuming and terrifying sam had to get away before it destroyed them both.” But then it destroyed them anyway. and it’s forever just this monster lurking that they know is there and it’s made all the larger because they will never speak of it. they speak around it, they cover for themselves with “he’s my brother” over and over and over he’s my brother. He’s my brother. He’s my BROTHER. but they can never say the words. They can never yank the sickness out. THAT. that. Thaht. DISCUSS

[dean-winchesters-panties]

We need to talk about Sex And Violence (4x14)

In an interview with Jim Parrack(Nick’s actor), he talks about the way the siren controlled the boys and says this:

“…I thought he should be ambiguously sexual. As the FBI agent, he was a guy’s guy, but this creature wasn’t a guy or girl. I tried to find something in between and enjoyed having control over these boys in a sexual way…”

He outright describes his control of the boys as sexual. In the scene in the car with Nick & Dean, he convinces Dean to kill sam so they can be brothers. Theres a sinister but sensual tone throughout that scene that is intensified as it transitions to the hotel.

“…I gave him what he needed. And it wasn’t some bitch in a G-string. It was you…”

There was something very evocative when I first heard this line. I think that it says a lot that a siren, a creature that reads minds and embodies peoples greatest desires, found that what dean desired most wasn’t a beautiful woman, but his brother. Sam is what he desires most.

[runawaydr3amerao3]

Presented without context.

"But in the face of ‘hey, I suck off your gun loaded with 2 bullets so if I accidentally kill myself, there is one for you too when you find me’

Post nut clarity is a hell of a thing"

— @sam-is-my-safe-word

[ro-sham-no]

dean helped sam through his teething phase as a baby with his own fingers, letting him gum and gnaw away at them, leaving them raw and wrinkly, most of the time.

toddler-aged sam ended up having a thumb-sucking problem, as many kids do, but he sucked on dean's thumb instead of his own.

[sammychrist]

"I love it when we get to dive into the dark depths of Sam's mind, how insane he really is underneath the calm, collected, carefully controlled exterior that he usually maintains. Between Mystery Spot and this episode though we are allowed to see that he is just as unhinged about his brother as Dean is, maybe even more so although it's so hard to compare. Dean lets his crazy just bleed out nice and steady, just walking around with an open wound for his brother, bleeding desperate need all over everything and everyone. But Sam's bleeding is internal, keeps up the facade that he's fine, until he is pierced and all the fetid, congealed, rotting blood that has filled up his insides explodes out."

I was reading @ani-coolgirl 's Every First Time series on Ao3 and there was this comment comparing Sam's and Dean's codependency. I just thought it was really interesting and well-put.

Context: Sam having no problem with the organ theft and killing people as long as it's used to keep Dean alive.

(Not sure if they have a Tumblr account, but the commenter's Ao3 user was @jinkieswouldyoulookatthis ).

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

Rolling - Chapter 6

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Just a hunt fic with lots of weirdly close brother moments. Dean’s got issues, y'all.

Words: 716

Relationship:  Just the brothers being weirdly close, no smut but this is pushing right up against wincest and implies they've had incestuous thoughts about each other.

Warnings: Angst.

Read it on AO3

Read from the beginning here

Dean looked at the menu Sam had handed to him. “Dude, it’s almost dawn, I don’t think the pizza place opens for, like, twelve hours.” 

Sam sat back down on his bed. “Yeah, I kinda forgot about the time. But it’s the thought that counts?” 

Dean gave a little laugh. It wasn’t much of a smile, but Sam still considered it a win. 

“You wanna keep talking, or should we watch a movie or something?”  

“Movie.” Dean said quickly.

Sam tossed him the remote and sat back against the headboard, stretching his legs out. Dean mirrored him on the other bed. 

Pre-dawn was not a high ratings time slot, clearly, and they’d finally settled on Breakin’ 2 - Electric Boogaloo because neither of them were in the mood for QVC and Dean nixed the documentary about SETI. He said that the narrator’s voice made him want to punch things. 

It was maybe an hour later and without looking away from the screen, Dean said without preamble, “We’re really both that screwed up, huh?” 

Sam glanced at him for a second before looking down at his hands and then back at the tv. He didn’t know what to say so he just nodded his head. 

“Man, if Dad knew how bad he messed us up, he’d kick his own ass.” 

“Yeah,” Sam smiled ruefully at that. “But I don’t know how much of it’s his fault. I mean, we had an insane childhood but he did the best he could, which, yeah, could have been a lot better, you know? But, there’s the whole soulmate thing which is… weird? Is it weird?” He turned and looked at Dean.

“Doesn’t seem normal.” 

“Yeah. Yeah, that’s what I thought too.” They were both quiet for a while before Sam said, “But it doesn’t feel wrong.”

Neither of them said anything for an entire commercial break. Finally, Sam continued. “I just, I don’t think it needs to be this big thing, you know, doesn’t really change anything, but I, I think it’s important.” 

Dean looked at him. 

Sam pressed on, “It goes back to what I keep saying, I’m not going anywhere. I know that now because, well, because there isn’t anywhere else I would rather be. This…” he waved his hand between them in a way that took in the whole room, “... fits.”

Dean looked down, Sam couldn’t quite make out his expression.

“You know all those times I said that I don’t swing that way?” 

“Yeeeeeaaaaah?” Where the hell was he going with this, Sam thought. 

“I was serious, man. You’re not my type.” 

Sam laughed and nodded. “Bullshit.” 

“Hey, I’m not the one who almost married a girl who looked a lot like…” 

“What about Lisa?” 

“... and who had the same birthday as my brother!” 

“Okay, yeah, that was a strange coincidence.” 

“And please don’t tell me any more details about Ruby.” Dean gave an exaggerated shudder. 

Sam laughed. “Fair enough. So? Are we good?” 

“I think we’re colossally fucked up. But, we’re fucked up in the same way, so that’s okay. Right?”

“Right.” After a long pause, Sam added, “I’m still sleeping in your bed tonight.”

Dean nodded and then sighed. “You’re like an octopus when you sleep, always have been. But now you’re a big, sweaty, hot octopus.”

“You think I’m hot?” Sam deadpanned.

Dean stared at him, Sam could see the big brother urge to murder in his eyes. He didn’t see Dean's arm move, the pillow came at him too fast. Sam barely managed to bat it away as his face cracked into a wide grin. 

They didn’t know what finally did it, figured it was just getting it all out into the open between them, but something had changed for the better. They shared a bed for almost another month before they realized that Dean’s nightmares had stopped. And though neither of them ever admitted it, they both felt a little weird in separate beds again, at least for a few nights. But then it was just like it always had been. They had their ups and downs, they fought and got over it, they made an ongoing series of stupid decisions that almost ended the world several times, but through it all, they had each other, whether they wanted it or not.

[whims-of-a-star]

Anyone else think in season 4 that a part Sam's insistence on being strong enough to handle himself was a result him being so affected by Dean's death?

Because Dean has always been the protector, always wanted to protect his little brother to the point where he'd even sell his own soul for Sam. And when Dean was killed as a result of trading his soul for Sam...in Sam's head -> Dean protecting Sam = Dean getting hurt/killed.

So Sam wants to be the protector now, having been unable to save Dean before, and wanting to protect him now. The demon blood gives him that ability, that power, to protect.

There's a lot more to Sam's motivations and actions throughout season 4 but it's this small 'what-if' that really dug into my brain.

I really love Sam as a character, and I love how the show really does portray both brothers really caring for each other to extreme extents.

[trials-era-sam]

like can you imagine. lucifer wanting to gloat to dean and making a seemingly innocuous gesture that immediately has sam falling to his knees or sth and being like see, dean, i own him more than you ever will and dean watching horrified but also a bit jealous and hating himself for it

[hello-starlingfics]

I’ve been thinking about why Destiel ultimately didn’t work as a pairing for me.

My interpretation is that Cas is in love with Dean (as per canon really) but, regardless of what Dean feels or doesn’t feel for Cas, neither he or Sam can have a successful relationship with anyone else while the other is around anyway because they are so codependent and emotionally entangled that they will always come first for each other. How Dean feels about Cas is immaterial really.

Even if you don’t interpret it in a Wincest, or even a Gencest way, every relationship they have falls apart as soon as the other returns. Both Lisa and Amelia immediately became second place to the returned brother, and Lisa even called it, saying she knew it was over as soon as Sam was back.

How can they possibly have a successful relationship with anyone when they will always be second place? It just doesn’t work.

[quietwingsinthesky]

thinking about jack "i just met her but im 99% sure she's in love with me and we're going to have sex" and marie "if u even look at jack i hate u i hate u i hate u i hate u i ha-"

[moonlightdistractions]

Thinking about Sam and Dean fluff with just the barest edge of angst. There has to be some hurt, enough to get that sweet sweet comfort. Maybe a bruised and bloody little brother that needs tending to or an older brother that's dealing with abandonment issues and needs reassurance. Or both brothers are hurt and exhausted emotionally so their walls are down, and they lean into one another to seek comfort. A quiet moment, maybe in Baby just as the sun is setting and a warm glow settles on Sam's hair and Dean can't look away, his brother is beautiful.

[monstersandbrothers]

I just needed ONE. One. Sustained samdean hug. where Dean goes to pull away but sam holds tighter. and then they sort of just slide to the floor still clinging together and then Sam Perhaps slips down into dean’s lap on accident and tries to pull away then but Dean doesn’t let him. They’re both embarrassed by how badly they need to hold on to each other but as long as they don’t speak it’s okay. So they stay silent. And cling and cling and cling. and then they drift off to sleep still holding each ohter. AND SO? WHY CANT I HAVE THAT

[fandom-hoarder]

What I ate yesterday:

Gencest curtain fic with lotsa brother hugs. Mmm, delicious.

And for dessert? Dean keeps his zombie baby brother in a freezer and I cry over sentimental necrophilia

Take the cannibalism leftovers and Dean's balls and sprinkle onto popcorn for a fucked up midnight snack.

[kirathehyrulian]

I’m just saying one day I will complete my dream of making a 12 month themed art collection of Sam in various innocuous positions on and in the impala, titled the big brother collection or something.

[whoopsitswincest]

For me, the thing i love about wincest is the love.

like,,--

Okay. So. Back when i was young and naive and new to tumblr/fandoms, i was so confused about the concept of shipping just for hot, smutty sexual dynamics vs shipping for romantic/loving reasons. I remember exploring posts about Game of Thrones on tumblr and stumbling across the Ramsay Bolton/Theon Greyjoy ship (for the blissfully unaware, in canon the former brutally tortures the latter in cold blood). I was at a complete loss for how anyone could ship those two, because all I saw in their interactions was sociopathic cruelty and miserable trauma. I didn't realize that the BDSM vibes were sexy for some people. It was the first time in my life (I was like 22 lol) that I realized that you could ship characters just because you think the sex would be hot as fuck. And I get that. But for me, I've never been able to ship someone unless I can see the love in canon.

So. Bringing it back to our beloved brothers. At first I thought wincest was just one of those sexy ships, not romantic ships. Because both characters are tall and jacked and hot and badass and violent. And I used to be an anti because I was like "but they're brothers?? Ew??" But THEN you actually WATCH the show (or in my case, rewatch) and you see the way they interact with each other. They love each other so much. Like LOVE love. They will do anything for each other. They will die for each other, kill for each other and go to the ends of the earth for each other. Nothing matters more than each other.

I was talking to my wife about the crazy shit these brothers are willing to do for each other and she goes, "i mean, that's how i feel about you." And i'm like YES! EXACTLY! I have a younger brother. My wife has two older brothers. But neither of us feel about our brothers the way we feel about each other. She is my great love. She is my forever. She is my everything. And Dean and Sam's relationship looks way more like my relationship with my wife than my relationship with my brother.

Yes, they can be codependent and possessive and toxic. Yes, they've been through some fucked up shit and they've DONE some fucked up shit (to EACH OTHER) and yeah that could make for some really hot sex. But for me, the appeal of wincest is the deep, abiding care and devotion they have for each other. The LOVE!! It makes me crazy.

A caveat:

I also love the dynamic between sam and dean just as canon gencest or platonic soulmates (that's for another post, lol). And there's something to be said about society's prioritization of romantic/sexual relationships over all other and the lack of representation of healthy platonic relationships in media (especially among men).

But i'm allosexual and alloromantic. So for me, my love for my wife is very romantic and includes an important sexual aspect. So because Dean and Sam remind me of me and my wife, of course i'm gonna project a sexual relationship onto that.