#he trained in the dark forest with the first Tigerstar

[whitestormsaystransrights]

Why do you have to make up for being you?

Because I always let everyone down.

[brackenfur]

i really do wish that like. ok when i think about brambleclaw and ashfur, in firestars quest they seem like good friends and get along well, and then we all know what happens in the book series(s) beyond that, but i really would want to give their dynamic more like. impact, and i’ve talked abt it here and there before, but:

i imagine that when bramblepaw first became an apprentice, ashpaw really liked him and treated him like a younger brother, almost. he saw how bramblepaw was kinda shy and he took him under his wing - he would teach him how to leap after leaves, he’d taught him crouches, talk to him about training, that sort of thing. and bramblepaw really looked up to ashpaw bc most of the clan treats him and tawnypaw rly differently, except for ashpaw and fernpaw and a few others. but bramblepaw rly likes that he has a close friend in the clan

and then brindleface is killed. and bramblepaw sees how sad fernpaw and ashpaw are at her vigil, so he comes up to say how sorry he is - he just lost his older brother, swiftpaw, too. and if ashpaw needed to talk, he’d always be there - but when ashpaw looks up at him, he looks….angry. he doesn’t say anything, so bramblepaw leaves because he thinks ashpaw is grieving and needs space, but form then on out, ashpaw won’t even speak to him. and after tawnypaw leaves to shadowclan, bramblepaw feels more alone than ever - he has other friends, but ashpaw was his first real friend, and now ashpaw wont even look at him. and bramblepaw tells firestar about it, saying that maybe it’s because he’s grieving for brindleface, but……..deep down bramblepaw knows why ashpaw is angry at him, he just doesn’t want it to be true.

and after tigerstar is killed, bramblepaw doesn’t really know how to feel since he hates his father, but to see him die like that…….. but he sees the weird, almost smug way ashpaw keeps looking at him and he almost wants to ask him why, what his problem even is, but he thinks about brindleface and decides he doesn’t want to know the answer.

and then after the battle with bloodclan when they kill bone together , he thinks maybe it’ll change - maybe ashpaw will like him again - but outside of some curt words and greetings, they aren’t friends anymore. bramblepaw wants to respect his decision, even if it hurts really bad that he lost his first friend bc of something tigerstar did, but he just wants to focus on becoming a warrior now.

and for a year that’s what he does - sometimes a cat like sorreltail or thornclaw will be like “hey, didn’t you guys used to be friends?” to which brambleclaw doesn’t know what to say - but he’s determined to prove ashfur and everyone else wrong.

and then he meets hawkfrost and starts training in the dark forest and for the first time in years, ashfur really starts to pay attention again. because he stopped trusting brambleclaw after brindleface died - ashfur knows that’s cruel, to blame him for something tigerstar did, but his heart can’t take anymore betrayals and deaths, and he sees it as a measure to protect himself and thunderclan - but when he sees hawkfrost he thinks, oh, i was right. and not only was i right - but squirrelflight is becoming closer to brambleclaw and she doesn’t even know about my mother, how she died. how brambleclaws father killed her to feed to a pack of dogs.

so he starts talking to squirrelflight and hanging out with her, and they get close, but when she goes back to hanging out with brambleclaw, he can’t cope. brambleclaws father took away ashfurs mother, everyone in thunderclan adores brambleclaw again, AND he was made deputy, AND squirrelflight thinks ashfur is this overbearing creep and he’s like, oh hell no.

and THAT to me feels more interesting than in canon but!!!!!!! that’s just me

[bonefall]

there's been some chatter going around that ivypool's super edition might lead into an exploration/revival of faded characters, mostly bristlefrost. what's your take on that? (both for how you could implement that into BB if ever it becomes a plot point, and also your general opinion)

I won't be surprised if they do! And I won't really be disappointed either. Honestly I've never been fond of the idea of double death. I love the concept of fading, but ghost-killing has always felt kinda... boring, I guess?

Fading feels terrifying, but natural. Like a soul finding peace, and moving on to whatever the next stage of being is. The idea of persisting forever, far after there's anything relevant to watch on the mortal plane, seems worse. But killing ghosts? Why? Can't think of anything else? They can't respawn, or persist with ghastly injuries?

Double-death may have been added to add more stakes to Dark Forest training, or to make it so you can physically fight the spirits and win for the climactic battle... but honestly? It feels like they were trying to prevent themselves from using their favorite characters ever again.

But I don't expect this team to stick to it. Never really have, even when I was a tot experiencing it for the first time in OotS. They double-killed off a bunch of their fan favorites. Tigerstar, Hawkfrost, Spottedleaf... it's always felt like a matter of time before they just find some way to bring them back.

For BB though? I love coming up with supernatural stuff and magic systems. I can work with it, no problem.

In fact I'll be happy to. I've already done away with demons being able to die in the Dark Forest-- they can only be killed if a mortal comes in to kill them, or they leave the protection of their home. There's also a new state of undeath, Hawkfrost is half-killed by Tigerstar but manages to make it home just in time, leaving him in a state where he phases in and out of existence. A half-ghost.

I'll have to see what they do before giving a definitive answer, though, since I'd be trying to accommodate what they toss at me. It's important to note that I MASSIVELY changed the way Bristlefrost died, though. Instead of evil water, she burned up in orbit, knocking Ashfur out of the sky like a shooting star.

So like... if it's a Void location that a whole soul goes to, I'll probably mess around with it. If it's a resurrection ritual, that'll be easy to just adapt 1:1.

[everybody-loves-purdy]

This for sure has been thought of before but the Great Journey would have been better if Hawkfrost was on it so that he and Bramble could have more moments together that will make Hawk's downfall and death that much more impactful to him and to the audience.

They could have heart-to-hearts about Tigerstar, making the Dark Forest training more interesting....they could talk about Bramble's bond with Tawny, who's on the journey, and how it kinda matches Hawk and Moth (which is another thing that makes future events sadder) (and maybe he and Squirrel could bond here, with both their sisters being back home and being med cats).

Maybe the reason Hawk joins is because Tiger visits him in a dream to tell him to see what's up at fourtrees and he sees the cats meeting. Later he begins to think that maybe he should be leader of one of the Clans. He did help find the new territories, after all, and how bad can Tigerstar be if his father was the one to help him begin the journey to find it? (and maybe whispered advice throughout the journey).

(side note--maybe Tiger 'helping' the cats on the journey by speaking with Hawk and Bramble helps to convince him more realistically that Tiger wants to train them not for nefarious reasons, because Bramble believed him far too easily let's be honest).

I just think it was a missed opportunity. Instead of introducing him as a kinda obvious "this guy is gonna be a problem later" thing, he's introduced like a non-pov (or maybe pov) protagonist that is at first seen like a kind if not peculiar guy who falls lower and lower until he's killed by Brambleclaw.

And before this, Brambleclaw thought that he's not just his brother--he's like him, someone whose loyalties were doubted because of Tigerstar. He has a sister he cares about, a mother who, when he talks about her, reminds Bramble of Goldenflower.

And he thinks "he's like me."

And Squirrelpaw talks to him and learns that they have the same sense of humour, they both like bugging Bramble, they both have a sister med cat who they love and is back home worrying about them, they both live in the shadow of their father--good or bad. Squirrelpaw confesses that she's such a nuisance because she doesn't want to be compared to the great Firestar. Hawk tells her that he feels trapped by his parentage as well.

And she thinks "he's just like me."

That's what makes it so impactful in the end, because not only is he corrupted, not only is Bramble forced to kill him, but his evil isn't just a sign of his own downfall, but of how close it could have been Brambleclaw himself, or Squirrelpaw, or someone else who saw Hawkfrost in themself and who now has to wonder "will that be me?"

This is so good, I love this AU.

Hawkfrost is just a bundle of missed potential honestly. There’s so much more that could have been done with his character than what we got.

[warrior-cats-rewritten]

Minor character things in WCR because I love thinking about them (not the unnamed cats, like.... Snaptooth, Silverhawk, Bellaleaf, Sneezecloud... etc)

Version 1.1: Switched things up with Bayshine and Myrtlebloom. They're Sorrelstripe's kits, who called Queen's Rights for them.

Snaptooth, Spotfur and Flywhisker are no longer the children of Cinderheart and Lionblaze. They are kits of Stormcloud and Cherryfall. Flywhisker's mentor is Sparkpelt, Spotfur's mentor is Shadeleaf (Renamed Leafshade) and Snaptooth's mentor is Birchfall.

Silverhawk saw his son in Breezepelt, and trained him personally. He saw Emberlight during the Great Battle, and immediately stopped fighting. He was so filled with shame, he hardly wanted to be there in the first place, he turned tail and ran. Ashfur promised him that he could see Emberlight again, he went along with it. He is now a heavy advocate for reforming the Dark Forest to be rehabilitation for damned souls.

Bellaleaf is the daughter of Violet and Fuzz! She is Harrybrook's wife, and they had 3 kits. Fuzzkit, Hopkit, and Wrenkit. Unfortunately, Hopkit passed an hour later, Fuzzkit was stillborn, and Wrenkit had neurological issues. Bellaleaf is her daughter's biggest supporter other than Leafstar and Harrybrook himself.

Sneezecloud has allergies. Moss, pollen, dust, and catmint. This guy's got it rough. While he isn't ever on cooking duty, his artistic and creative sense due to his unique nesting situation has him gunning for the Head Construction position.

Lilywhisker was in the Dark Forest once for a grand total of 5 hours after getting lost while exploring. She was also made into a warrior again when Tallstar came into power.

Stonepelt was honoured when Bluemoon named one of her children after him. He played it super cool until he went into the elder's den and SOBBED.

Sasha, who actually does stay with Riverclan, got to meet Tigerstar once more during the Great Battle. She announced her hatred for him, saying the only good thing he ever gave her was their kits. Part of her still felt attached to him, but that night, she buried it once and for all.

Barkface was in love with Tallstar, but he never said anything. He was also very determined to be a good Medicine Cat.

[hawkfrosting]

Bramblestar suffered so much in his life, he needs a good rest from everything ://

First when he was a kid his clan didn't trust him and his sister for who their father was, this made his sister go away from thunderclan

Then when he thinks he finally has proven he's not like his father and got close to a family member squirrelflight comes and starts distrusting him and his brother, trying to make brambleclaw get away from his brother just bc she THINK hawk is evil with no proof and bc leafpool thinks so and she tries to guilt trip and control bramble by saying "oh you prefer your brother that you love like i love my sister than me when i already said he's evil with no proof, i guess i'm just not important as him right" even leafpool recognizes that squirrelflight is wrong for distrusting them for who they father were. Its just the same thing again, lets not forget that when brambleclaw was one of the only cats to try to help his clan when they were settling in new territory squirrelflight constantly challenges him for everything and making him stressed for nothing

"How many times do I have to prove myself? he wondered desperately"

Tigerstar mentally grooms him and hawkfrost so they start training in the dark forest, feeling he needs to prove himself and become the deputy he always wanted to

When he becomes deputy his brother get firestar dying in a foxtrap, trying to convince bramble to kill him but bramble rejects and kill his brother instead

Time passes and he have kits with squirrel, but discovers that holly lion and jay aren't his and squirrelflight was lying to him all along, giving bramble trust issues

At the battle his mentor/kind of a father figure dies and his daughter dies too, he avenges her death by kiling his brother again

He become leader and take care of his clan, squirrelflight always disobeying and disrespecting him

He breaks up with squirrel and find someone who respect him and care about him, Jessy, but she goes away

He leads his clan, he fights with squirrel, he leads his clan, he breaks up with squirrel, he leads his clan, they get back together, he leads his clan, he fights with squirrel and it goes

Then there's darktail's group coming and bla bla bla this arc is boring

He leads his clan, he fights with squirrel, he leads his clan, he breaks up with squirrel, he leads his clan, they get back together, he leads his clan, he fights with squirrel and it goes again

He then dies in an very harsh leafbare and is expulsed from his body and becomes a wandering ghost, i don't think i even need to explain what happened in ALL brokencode

When everything is going back to normal he goes back to his body, that was DESTROYED by ashfur, all ungroomed, all scarred, all dirty and he's very traumatized

Now he's too tired from everything and steps down as a leader, what he deserves <333 i love him so much and he was so right for stepping down he deserves finally resting :)

The art is trash but i just wanted to express how i love him and how he deserved better

[the-owl-tree]

Brambleclaw being more like his mom is a wonderful concept, even though I do think him being awful is compelling if the author’s you know, recognized that. On the other hand, Tawnypelt could be like Tigerstar in her demeanor/mannerisms/personality. I always thought it was interesting how Tawnypelt was the one who left, while Brambleclaw seemed to have been treated worse due to being the spitting image of his father. When I first read TPB I came up with the “theory” (which is just headcanon at this point), that a lot of Clan was almost unnerved by how similar she acted to Tigerclaw pre-betrayal. They start to think that maybe SHE will end up like her father due to how similar she is to him, so she can’t be trusted. That’s why she went to her father, because even though she knows of his crimes, at least she won’t have to be around cats who think she’ll end up being a traitor like him. She was quite young when she left from what I can recall, so I don’t really fault her for making a weird choice as a teenager. It makes her turning down his offer to train her in the Dark Forest more powerful in my opinion. She acknowledges that she shares many similarities with her father, that doesn’t mean she is going to be like him in the end. She doesn’t want to prove the people unnerved by her in a way right.

I think not picking Tawnypelt as the TNP POV was such a big mistake. Like we know Bramble's arc, it wrapped up pretty neatly in the first arc! He had a sweet little scene where's he's like yeah I'm not my dad and I'm not defined by my relationship to my father :) and like yeah sure maybe he could've fallen back into those anxieties character regression is fine....but Tawnypelt would've been a fresh new POV! Like not only would it break the ThunderClan POV grip, but we'd also get to see her feelings, she's a character we otherwise didn't really get to fully see much of in comparison to her brother. I think she'd be the better point of view compared to what we got!

Very interesting HC...interesting if the older cats were honing in on something that isn't really there....LOTS of missed opportunity with Tawnypelt tbh

[aphidpaws]

au where the po3 are possessed by the ancients (and hollyleaf is the 4th and a reincarnate of scourge)

more on the au:

The three Ancients have the same powers as their reincarnates, and will often possess them when they use their powers

Jay, Dove, and Lion are all polar opposites of their reincarnates

Lion's Roar struggles with responsibility his whole life, and projects his complicated feelings onto Lionblaze. However, Lionblaze is much more stubborn and volatile, and rebels against him by training in the Dark Forest, the only place he has full autonomy.

Dove's Wing is silly and unserious, and tries to convince Dovewing to take it easy and enjoy her life. Dovewing is incredibly anxious, even more because of learning about the prophecy at a young age, and has trouble heeding Dove's advice. Overall, they have the best relationship out of all four, and Dove's Wing genuinely wants the best for Dovewing, but Dovewing simply can't cope with the possession and her powers.

Jaystripe is the first to learn of the prophecy and his powers (which are switched w Dovewing) and comes to terms with it the fastest, but he's the least comfortable being possessed. Him and Jay's Wing are very similar in personality; but while Jay's Wing is willing to sacrifice his comfort for the greater good, Jaystripe can't help but be selfish and long for his normal life.

While the 3 are all end up different from the Ancients, Scourge serves as a warning as to what Hollyfeather will become; one she doesn't heed

In this AU, Scourge is a lot more complex of a character. After accidentally becoming the BloodClan leader, he notices how much the cats are suffering in the City. He offers a deal- join his Clan to gain comfort and security, in exchange for following his rules. At first, he convinces himself that his severe punishments and rigid orders are for the benefit of his cats. It isn't until he dies that he realizes he'd only thrown BloodClan into greater disarray by pursuing vengeance against Tigerstar.

When he reincarnates into Hollyfeather, he's desperate not to have her repeat his mistakes. Hollyfeather is a medic, and has strictly devoted her life to StarClan and the warrior code. Learning her parentage goes against all of her most deeply held values sends her into a spiral. She kills Ashfur, exiles herself to the tunnels, and eventually comes home to fill her place in the prophecy (stopping the DF and killing Tigerstar in a direct parallel of Scourge)

(Firestar still dies by the tree like he dies before tiger so tiger is like muhaha we've won and she steps out like "wow,,,,, now uve done it,,,, uve made me angry,,,")

The three still have their powers post-war but are no longer possessed (the whole arc would be about the Ancients realizing possessing them is Not Good so they eventually stop trying to take control)

[yuridovewing]

Keep thinking about the Darktail twist and man I still think that Onestar was such a random choice for “has an illegitimate kid”. when imo Blackstar makes wayyyyy more sense. Like, consider, Blackfoot has a fling with Smoke when he’s still in exile during TPB. Smoke is wayyy more dedicated to him than he is to her, he actually looks down on her for being a kittypet.

By the time she’s pregnant though, he’s rejoined ShadowClan under Tigerstar. And oh man. Xenophobia is rife and alive and outspoken. And when Smoke tells Blackfoot about their kits, there’s no room for weakness. He lashes out at Smoke, maybe even outright attacks her (remember this guy killed Stonefur) and threatens her, telling her to either get off of his land forever or he’ll take care of their kits himself.

She’s either pregnant at that point or she’s had Darkkit and was trying to introduce them. Maybe the latter cause Smoke would not be coming back to ask ShadowClan to take him. Plus it’d be a formative memory to Darkkit that sticks with him for the rest of his life. Instead, she runs back home, Darkkit in tow. Warning him as he grew up to never go into the forest, lest his father find him and get rid of him.

Smoke lives out the rest of her days paranoid and distressed, Blackfoot knows where she lives. It gets worse when she hears that he’s become leader and could potentially send cats after her. Darktail grows up, angry and bitter that his mother was traumatized so. And he vows revenge. He trains himself, learns from the remnants of BloodClan how the clan cats fight. When Smoke dies, he leaves their twolegs to follow the clans, long gone at that point.

Revenge has consumed him, dedicating his life to unleashing his wrath onto Blackstar and his followers. He fantasized about how he would gut Blackstar and rip out each of his nine lives, dangle his dirty little secret over his clan and threatening their oh-so-fragile pride. He was going to make sure he would be considered Blackstar's worst mistake- that would be his end.

He sets up the Kin among some of the cats he trained with, some being former BloodClan cats. At first, it's formed in honor. He wanted to live with his friends was all, and this way they'd all be fed and healthy. But it slowly took a dark turn as Darktail still prioritized revenge above all else. He quickly grew manipulative, and while he still valued his cats, he began to view them more as pawns in a game of chess. A game he was always playing against Blackstar- even if Blackstar didn't know it. He took in vulnerable cats, promising them power and prestige, when he really was only concerned with how they could benefit his schemes. It takes him so long to get to a place where he can release an onslaught on his father’s clan.

… But when he arrives, Blackstar is dead. He drowned a year before Darktail arrived. He was buried, ShadowClan moved on, that was that. Darktail felt numb. It was all for nothing. Revenge on Blackstar, the thing that had driven him for so long, was gone. There was nothing left... except for the clan that Blackstar had built.

And it seemed plenty of the young, slighted, and immature apprentices were struggling at the change in power as well.

That was fine. He'd come this far. If he couldn't have Blackstar's skull, the rest of his clan would have to do. And as he witnessed the other clans' pride, he figured they could go as well. To hell with them all. He was gonna terrorize the clans just as they had terrorized his mother so, and he was going to relish every second.

So TLDR: Blackstar's crimes, and Brokenstar and Tigerstar's reign, still haunt ShadowClan to this day in the form of Darktail. Something about how when you die, some of your sins will be passed on to your loved ones who will be forced to deal with it in your stead. Darktail, try as he might, will never be satisfied with his revenge. He is now aimless, lashing out at everyone in sight because he missed his chance to kill the one he hated most.

[borderline-purrsonality]

Bramblepaw’s arc in The Prophecies Begin was all about how you don’t have to accept your blood related family, and that the connections you make are more important. We see this as Bramblepaw rejects Tigerstar, and develops a close mentor/apprentice relationship with Firestar.

Yet starting with The New Prophecy, this is all thrown away. Brambleclaw immediately follows Hawkfrost into the dark forest to train with Tigerstar, whom he had an entire arc about not following him. He knows Tigerstar is evil, he even sees Tawnypelt denounce him, yet he still trains with him?

I could understand Brambleclaw wanting to develop a closer relationship with Hawkfrost, because they’re brothers, and the fact they both look like Tigerstar would give them a reason to relate to each other. But that doesn’t excuse Brambleclaw following Tigerstar? Wouldn’t it have been more interesting for Hawkfrost to also denounce Tigerstar, have Brambleclaw believe they share the same views, but then have Hawkfrost still go down the same path anyways? Wouldn’t this have been a better way to carry on the “blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb” message?

And again, Brambleclaw learns NOTHING once again. The moment he finds out the three aren’t related to him, he disowns them. While it’s initially understandable why he would be angry, that doesn’t excuse him disowning the children he raised as their father? He could still be upset at Squirrelflight and Leafpool, but disowning children that need emotional support after going through immense trauma is a horrible thing to do, and SHOULD be out of character for Brambleclaw. SHOULD.

And even after all of that, Bramblestar eventually has his own kits that are related to him by blood. Does this not ruin the message he’s supposed to learn? That now he can “finally have kits of his own” with Squirrelflight? Couldn’t Sparkpelt and Alderheart be Lionblaze and Cinderheart’s kits instead? And have Bramblestar accept them as his adopted grandchildren?

Throughout the series, Bramblestar learns nothing. The message he’s supposed to learn in the first arc is torn down again and again and continuously ruins him. Canonically, he’s a character who values his family… if they’re related to him by blood.

[greekstar]

Ok hear me out.

TigerFire?

OK OK BEFORE YOU LEAVE HERE ME.

TigerFire Tigerclan Rulers.

Au

But, imagine, Socks; Ruby; Tiny; Princess; and Rusty were all from the same litter. Their mother is Quin and she is a Black and brown Tortoiseshell with blue/amber eyes. (Which takes care of Everyone.) While Jake is still their father.

(I might change some of the styles)

So since Tiny is not even a year younger then Tigerclaw, ima make the litter be born around to time Tiny was so Rusty is near Tigerpaw’s/claw’s age.

Also, I’m making Rusty a girl, because I can. It’s a Au; so my rules.

Anyways, Tiny and Rusty go exploring together. Being the runts of the litter. Socks and Ruby still make fun of tiny, but also Rusty who is now Amber. Princess though is the biggest out of the litter and is a queen boss. Making sure Ruby and Socks aren’t getting away with bullying.

Tiny and Rusty bump into a apprentice and two warriors (Thistleclaw, Tigerpaw and Blueflower(fur))

Thistleclaw sends Tigerpaw to attack Tiny and he does, though Amber quickly jumps on Tigerpaw and fights to protect her older brother.

Showing this bravery, and seeing their 2-3 moons old, and now injured, Blueflower takes them back where Sunstar excepts them and takes them in.

Seeing that they don’t need milk and this is around the time where Snowpoppy(fur) is ¿expecting? So Snowfur take them in.

Amber becomes Amberkit and Tiny becomes Poolkit (he begs Sunstar to let him be named after anything but his size so he honors his request by making him Pool after his white paw. He becomes Poolfoot)

Amberkit spends every awakening Following Tigerpaw around like a little princess following her prince.

Tigerpaw even trains her secretly. Tigerpaw eventually becomes Tigerclaw and keeps training secretly in the Dark Forest with his former mentor Thistleclaw. He later becomes the mentor of Amberpaw though swears that he won’t let her train in the dark forest and says ‘If any of the dark forest cats even are seen in her dreams, I will personally kill them’

Tigerclaw gives Amberpaw all the training she needs. Even asking Sunstar to give him more time with training her so that she can be the best warrior. Now, Amberpaw didn’t like becoming a warrior later then Poolfoot, but excepts that Tigerclaw is only doing what’s best for her.

(Poolfoot was mentored by Redtail)

Amberpaw later becomes Amberheart. Being a really softy for kits and elders. This also makes Tigerclaw look at things from a different point of view.

When Bluestar becomes leader, she makes Tigerclaw actually become her deputy first. Trusting him as she saw him be transformed into a actually decent warrior after he mentored Amberheart.

After Bluestar died (she actually died earlier, around the time Rusty would have first joined as the fire broke out sooner and Bluestar got very badly burned which caused her to lose her last ¿3? Lives)

Tigerstar becomes leader and quickly changes things. Making Tigerclan with all clans. Quickly gaining the trust of Shadowclan and Riverclan, though Windclan took a little longer.

Amberheart became his deputy and they had their first litter. Bramblekit, Squirrelkit, Twanykit and Leafkit.

Brambleflower - dark ginger tabby tom with long fur and amber eyes (has white tints of fur and also has a star on his forehead like his father)

Squirrelleaf - Black and bright ginger Tortoiseshell she-cat with very fluffy long fur and bright green eyes

Twanyfeather- Mostly dark brown and pale ginger Tortoiseshell she-cat with long fur and has dark green eyes

Leafclaw- Ginger and dark brown Tortoiseshell she-cat with short-ish fur and amber eyes (has white tufts of fur here and there)

Tigerstar leads his clan better then expected as he turns out to be a better leader then most people thought.

In the territory’s, Tigerstar has the former other leaders look after their former territory’s though all cats most learn to hunt and patrol in each one perfectly, so cats now train got 12 moons instead of 6 like a medicine cat apprentice.

Tigerstar also has it where his most loyal warriors are spread across. Brokenstar, Leopardstar, Blackclaw, Blackfoot, Darkstripe, Longtail, Swiftfoot, Badgerfang, Mudclaw, Ect…

Emberheart is in charge of making cats stay loyal. There isn’t many cruel punishments, unless a cat puts all the clan in danger and their sentenced to death.

…

I might continue this but idk.

[bonefall]

BB!Tawnypelt

[ID: A version of Tawnypelt for the Better Bones AU. She is a golden torbie with green eyes, a brown mask, and long raptor claws shared by her family. She has a tiger-shaped neck, tail, and broad shoulders, with one arm featuring inverted colors.]

New leader of the Sundrown Patrol, cynical, savvy, focused on the mission above all else. Though power dances just out of the reach of her claws, the theme of her life is family, loss, and connection.

I noticed a theme in canon that the tabbies in the Tiger line lose their golden sisters. Birchface watches Frecklewish damned to the Dark Forest, Hawkfrost is cut off by Mothwing for his toxicity, Tigerheart sees Dawnpelt march into the claws of the Kin, Strikestone never sees Sleekwhisker again. For Better Bones, I made that an OFFICIAL curse.

Gorseclaw struck down his sister, Spottedpelt, in the climax of Ripplestar's Rot and since then, Tigerkin tabbies have been tragically losing their golden siblings. Bramblepaw watching Tawnypaw joining TigerClan is the true beginning of their character arcs, as both siblings grapple with their insecurities and loneliness.

Below the cut:

TNP; the Sundrown Patrol and Tigerstar blowing up the voicemail

Po3 and OotS, her reaction to Hollyleaf's Reveal and early Bramblestar

AVoS and Tawnypelt's Mountain, her reduxed novella

Beyond and Bonus Trivia

BETTER BONES TNP

The new POVs of TNP are the four Tigerkin, Tawnypelt serves as a contrast to Brambleclaw to establish that he is an unreliable narrator.

Tawny is objective when it comes to bonds between other people, but underestimates how much others like her back.

This is a problem for her in ShadowClan, where their dark and dry sense of humor is hard for her, as a very genuine ThunderClan cat, to accurately parse.

She takes a lot of Rowanclaw's behavior as open aggression, only realizing very late into TNP that he is the son of Brokenstar and was trying to break the ice the entire time.

She takes the death of Feathertail hard. They all do, but Tawny feels angry that she can't be the faithful, gentle, soothing presence that Feather was.

Tigerstar is trying to contact her long before he sets his sights on Brambleclaw and Hawkfrost. Though she considers it, she makes a final rejection of him on reaching the lake.

She decrees that the journey has changed all the cats, especially herself, and that the sun is rising on a new time for all four Clans.

Though expanded into a POV, Tawny's journey is quite simple, unlike Bramble who grows into an unfortunate antagonist in upcoming arcs.

IN PO3 AND OOTS BEYOND

There is a truce between Shadow and Thunder for Po3, only coming to a bloody crash later when Bramblestar takes power in OotS

But for one arc, Tawny is the Three's beloved aunt. In several 'episodes' of this slice-of-life breather redux, she is a supporting character. She's close friends with Squirrelflight, as well.

Her FIRST litter is Flametail and Dawnpelt! They're around the same age as the Three.

When the secret is revealed, Tawnypelt is beside herself with frustration at Bramblestar.

It's understandable to be upset, but demotion of his deputy? Disowning his children??

And then, Bramblestar starts pushing the border. She is convinced something crawled into his head and died there

In OotS, she has her second litter. Its only survivor is a little gold-and-brown tabby, which she renames Tigerkit as a ferocious dare to StarClan to take this one back as well.

Tigerpaw and Dovepaw are around the same age on the journey, during which Tigerpaw makes an offhanded comment about, "No one actually likes being a tom" and Dovepaw brutally cracks her egg with a very well aimed, "yea they do"

The death of Russetfur is brought to THIS arc, in one of Bramble's battles, and is the reason Blackstar is open to Sol's influence.

Ratscar, Redwillow, and Applefur take over and Tawnypelt tries to lead opposition against them, but their training has made them freakishly strong and they have allies.

Rowanclaw rallies the rest of the Clan to confront Blackstar, and convince him to come back by reminding him of how loved he is

And it's for that reason that Rowanclaw is eventually made deputy. He saw the solution that no one else did. No tricks. No brute force. Just honesty.

AVOS AND TAWNYPELT'S MOUNTAIN

In AVoS, Tawnypelt watches her Clan get destroyed from the inside-out as Darktail exploits the anger of its warriors and apprentices, turning it into a cult.

Having already lost Flametail, losing Dawnpelt here, Tigerheart returning with two kittens only to die horribly was unbearable.

Rowanstar took the body of his daughter and dove into the Moonpool, drowning his lives away so that she could live and revive as Heartstar.

After that... Tawnypelt felt like she'd lost it all again. We return to her POV for the first time since TNP, to explore that.

How home no longer feels like home, how Heartstar returned as a leader and it's as though everyone she loves has changed.

But little Shadowkit is not as healthy as his sister, suffering seizures much stronger than Sorreltail of ThunderClan, no Cleric having a good prognosis for his life.

Heartstar and Dovewing do not want to expose him to more stress, and as his parents, agree that they will simply try to give him as comfortable of a life as possible.

Tawnypelt's Mountain is not a story about needing to save the Tribe again; it's about Tawnypelt kidnapping her grandson because he needs a stronger treatment and she's convinced the Tribe can offer it.

No she does not get permission.

Go Grandma

It's about all the times she had to let go, it's about how she never truly got to know Sleekwhisker and Juniperclaw, it's about how she couldn't save the old ShadowClan.

And it's about Shadowkit, and how comfortable he is at a young age with the concept of death. Spiresight, Rowanstar, Heartstar, Juniperclaw.

Up until the moment a Tribe Medic is able to look at him, Shadow had fully believed his illness was terminal. It's as if his future had suddenly changed.

(In the original book Dovewing was also on this trip, but I'm actually considering it JUST be Shadow and Tawny because I think it's a really interesting idea to have a grandma/grandkit story where the kit has wisdom beyond their years... but is still a child. And Tawny realizes that she was using this as a way to both help him, yes, but also to get a win for herself. Dovewing has plenty of her own content.)

The Tribe teaches them to use Chamomile to treat his epilepsy, showing Tawny exactly how to measure it, how to steep it, and how to heat it into a tea.

As TBC progresses, Shadowsight's growing skill as a Cleric is shown through his competence at preparing his own treatments.

Tawnypelt and Stormfur are able to catch up together too, and talk about their lives, drama, and how destiny brings you to strange places.

When she comes back, the Clan is expecting Heartstar to punish Tawny for stealing a kitten... but Heartstar is not going to do that to her mom, citing it's because Tawny was right and her son has a treatment better than the last.

In reality it's because Heartstar is Biased and will never punish her family lmao

BEYOND AND BONUSES

She's part of the rebellion in TBC and one of Shadowsight's beloved family members, but overall is a background element.

She decides to retire after that arc, feeling her age.

Tawny is a specialist of taking down large game, and great at coordinating and commanding hunts.

Hogs, small deer, so on.

Also one of ShadowClan's stronger fighters, but outclassed by Dark Forest trainees.

Her favorite food is frogspawn and gravy, likes everything about the taste of amphibians.

Design-wise she looks a lot like Tigerstar, but more lithe and with more of her mother's colors.

Close to breaking some kind of apprentice-training record, Oakfur is SO proud of her!

[notwarriorswiki]

What was Brambleclaw / Tawnypelt’s relationship to Mothwing like?

TLDR; close, but very aware of loyalties.

I wanted Brambleclaw's desire to know his biological family to be very integral to his character, drawn to them due to feeling scorned in ThunderClan all of his life. He and Tawnypelt up until that point had remained close in canon, the two honestly relieved seeing each other both on the journey in Midnight. Based on Brambleclaw's desire to know Hawkfrost, I really wanted that feeling to be then consistent with Mothwing.

Tawnypelt has a reverse Brambleclaw situation with ShadowClan - she's not disliked for being Tigerstar's daughter, but more for her ThunderClan blood. During this time period ShadowClan is still tense with ThunderClan, so her journey is more about proving herself to them and her loyalties there rather than craving the familial bond between her and her blood siblings. Tawnypelt is a clan-first character, while Brambleclaw sought out a family he believed would accept his blood because, well, they share that blood.

Mothwing and Hawkfrost grew up in a similar situation to Brambleclaw in a sense - many of their clanmates were incredibly hurt by Tigerstar and the actions of TigerClan, and Leopardstar was already on thin ice with a lot of her warriors. Things didn't help when Leopardstar stood up especially for Hawkkit and Mothkit, in an act of good faith sure, but of course it's soured by them being Tigerstar's kits. Hawkfrost looked to always prove himself and be the best warrior, admittedly a similar approach to Brambleclaw's. He learned a lot from Leopardstar - I mean she mentored him - and that came with some good and some bad if we're being honest with how Leopardstar is. Mothwing on the other hand always wanted to be a healer but everyone said she was "tainted" with her father's blood and thus didn't give her a chance. Hawkpaw saw this all throughout their apprenticeship - the way Mothpaw didn't smile proudly when she caught a fish, or how she squeaked when she was knocked over by him during training. She wasn't a bad warrior apprentice, but she wasn't happy nor thriving. Hawkpaw both believed his sister deserved to be a medicine cat, but also believed that it came with benefits that would help them both excel and not be looked down upon - hence he made the fake moth wing sign.

Brambleclaw is drawn to his kin and seeks them out, as does Hawkfrost - hence the two find themselves close. Tawnypelt is more reclusive and while receptive and polite, she isn't drawn to The Dark Forest by the beckoning of family time. Mothwing is repelled by her kin - wary of them due to everything she's been told. As a medicine cat, she wants absolutely nothing to do with her half-siblings when she learns about them at first, and keeps her distance.

Hawkfrost only has the stories of his father to go off of - a curiosity always sat within him. He finally feels like he has acceptance with a family, unlike what he felt with RiverClan. His goal was always to make everyone see him as a strong and capable cat - but little did he know he kept digging himself into a hole. He is so happy to have a brother, admiring their similarities. He's always been the outcast of RiverClan riding on Leopardstar's tail to get by. He thinks Mistyfoot is only deputy out of pity rather than deserving the title, Hawkfrost thinking this due to the scorn Leopardstar receives. He's genuinely super loyal to her in my rewrite and strived for deputyship much like Brambleclaw at first. Tigerstar manages to get in his head and flip him around as he allows that hatred for Mistyfoot to fester.

Mothwing saw this jealousy and anger consume her brother. She sees him pull away from her to spend time with Brambleclaw at gatherings - her brother who she truly did cherish. She's worried about him and actually begins talking with Leafpool about it, who is surprised how hesitant she is to admit she too is worried about Hawkfrost and his intentions as they morph and clash with the rather naive Brambleclaw. Mothwing considers speaking to Brambleclaw, getting to know him as Hawkfrost insists, but still finds herself too scared. And Tawnypelt isn't all too interested (since after Dark Forest dreams, she noped out of there).

On a darker path than before, Hawkfrost requested Mothwing to stand as RiverClan's head medicine cat when he became leader, and how very soon he would be deputy. Mothwing pieces together that her brother plans to kill Mistyfoot, and finds herself at crossroads on being loyal to her brother, who had always been there for her - or supporting RiverClan who still silently judged her worthiness, especially Mistyfoot. Still, she ultimately does end up speaking to Mistyfoot, giving her warning and revealing Hawkfrost's plan before it can play out - however it turns out Mistyfoot wasn't the first target.

It was Firestar.

Luckily the ThunderClan leader didn't die that day, but Hawkfrost did. Brambleclaw killed his brother to defend his leader, and it was through that devastation that Mothwing decided not to run away from her kin anymore. Tawnypelt too saw just how alone her brother had been feeling, and memories of the journey had her desiring to maintain their relationship - not led it fade away. One might thing the death of Hawkfrost would drive the siblings away, but rather it brought them closer, and now they speak at gatherings regularly - but still - their loyalties lie with their Clans, and they always will. See Mothwing proved her loyalty to Mistyfoot that day, who acknowledged she had been unfair to Mothwing for something she couldn't control - just as Mistyfoot couldn't control her own half-clan blood that had her life put at risk in TigerClan.

Tawnypelt proved herself a loyal ShadowCla cat when Blackstar acknowledged her upon his death and had her kits with a mate who used to judge her as well. Mothwing proved herself dedicated to RiverClan and healing, standing at Mistystar's side as she was granted her nine lives, and Mothwing even found an apprentice. And of course, Brambleclaw proved himself to ThunderClan and Firestar, realizing he had a family there who had loved him all that time.

Still, it's nice to chat with your siblings at gatherings.

[trashdemon132]

My parody version of Warrior cats Into the Wild

Battle Cats by Mary Huntsman. It was about an abused and neglected cat Copper who was abandoned by his owners and Copper finds himself in the forest where some forest cats who live there offered him a home to stay in only to discover that the healer of the group found out that Copper is a part of a prophecy that can save them all.

Difference

Instead of the suffix ’star’ at the end of every leader’s name it will me replace with ‘Stellar,Bright or Sun’ (I know they’re not good, but I’m tired so let me live OK? 😭)

The healers can have a mate and kits as long as they have a fully trained apprentice. So thing of it like an huge long final test for the apprentice if they’re mentor is pregnant and see if they can take over for six moons 

Firestar/Rusty’s name will be Cooper and he’s the opposite of his canon counterpart he’s still a hero, but because he was abused by his owners he’s extremely timid nervous and anxious all the time and almost left the group of cats three times and none of them could blame him. It seems like he’s not up to something like this. But the healer keeps telling/forcing him to come back because he’s a part of prophecy. His apprentice name was Sparkpaw and his warrior name is Sparktail on account when the sun shines on his pelt and when he gets scared his fur bristle up it looks like fire sparks. His leader name is Sparkbright unfortunately because of this name some cats who don’t live in the forest, assume that he will be a she-cat because the name sounded feminine. It doesn’t make it better that he has a high-pitched, feminine voice.

Grarystripe’s personality is heavily changed. He’s not the goofball comedy relief, tom cat but a grumpy slightly mean and sarcastic cat that not many members of the group will spend five minutes around. His parody name is Grayspots on account when he was a kid and he snuck out one night a small dog basically around his size (he was 5 moons old when this happened.) and the dog bit his side it but the dog didn’t hit his skin, but the dog to rip out a huge chunk of his fur, leaving a part of his skin exposed. Because of this, he swore revenge on that small dog.

Ravenpaw personality has changed a little bit. He now has this goth personality and a bleak look on life and the world he’s still a little timid but he knows how to fight when needed and it’s not afraid to speak his mind and call someone out even if its a cat who has high authority over him and because of that he gets in trouble a lot. In this parody, he didn’t end up leaving the group and receive his warrior name Ravenrain on account of his gloomy personality. The only things that he likes to do when he isn’t working is hanging out with his friends (at least he thinks they’re his friends)Sparktail and Grayspots,hanging out with the elders or the kits or spending time with his farmer boyfriend Spots. (Barley I know not a good parody name for him.)

Bluestar’s personality is slightly the same except when the forest caught on fire She didn’t lose her faith in Starclan but instead announced that she is extremely tired and believes she is too old to stay leader, and she’s aware at her that she may have dementia so the best thing to deal with this is to step down as leader and retired to the elders cave. Because of this she didn’t die in the first arc, but instead died in the third arc because of her old age. Her parody name is Stellarsun

Tigerstar/Tigerclaw’s personality change largely He’s basically neutral instead of pure evil he was born incredibly intelligent so he’s planning out battles and battle strategies instead of participating in them which surprise cats because of his size and muscle. His father Pinestar stayed in the picture because Starclan and Goosefeather didn’t see him becoming evil and training in a dark forest and didn’t tell him to kill his own son. Therefore, he didn’t grow up with it resentment against kittypets so he completely ok with Sparktail. Tigerclaw does not want to be a leader of the group or any group he’s more comfortable being on the sidelines planning out plans and strategies. His parody name is Quickclaw because on account of how quick, he is think he can think battle plans through and bring his group to victory and he still has abnormally long claws.

Part 2 tomorrow!

[mineashthetrash]

Redesign of warrior cat minis

okay so i don't like the warriors minis. I don't really hate them either, but they always felt really messy, cluttered, and inaccurate to me. But i also understand the cats need to be mass producible, since the franchise is so big, so i redesigned them using a base i made.

I might upload a video explaining every change in debth when im done with every set, but for now, the basics:

i traced the mini-maker stencil roughly and changed a few proportions, using the symmetry tool to keep patterns simple, unless the character patterns need to be different (like tawny). There are a few eyes and mouth differences for a variation of expressions, and i switched the second Jayfeather for Brokenstar. I also switched around the pairings for something more, logical.

For now i only have the first two sets done.

SET 1

Pair one: Firestar and Tigerstar.

The two famous leaders changed the clans around them for seasons and seasons to come. Firestar led the clans into a new age of tolerance and acceptance, while Tigerstar's rein still leaves scars in the clan's memory.

Pair two: Tawnypelt and Graystripe.

These two cats both struggled to find where their loyalties lie, leaving their original clan in search for a better life. While Tawnypelt found her home among the shadows, Graystripe decided he couldnt turn against his former friends.

Pair three: Jayfeather and Leafstar

These two cats may seem radically different on first glance, but they both share a calling for a greater destiny. When Leaf, a former rouge, was called apon to lead a brand new clan, she didnt let her anxiety come between her and her destiny! Jayfeather, simularly, set his sights on a warrior's glory, before his powers dragged him into a spiritual role he eventually saved the clans with.

SET 2

Pair one: Blackstar and Brokenstar

These two cats set their paws on the path of darkness when the clans still walked the forest. But while Brokenstar tormented the clans until his bitter end, Blackfoot was able to turn away at the last moment, leading shadowclan in peace for moons.

Pair two: Ravenpaw and Sandstorm

These two apprentices trained together in thunderclan, growing to be great hunters and growing close to their clanmates. While Ravenpaw had to leave due to a certain shadowy tormentor, Sandstorm would grow to be invaluable to her clan in leaf-bare, as the best hunter in the clan.

Pair three: Cinderpelt and Brightheart.

These two sisters were injured while serving their clan, and both fought with fears that they wouldnt be able to serve their clan. Despite this, they rose above their clanmates in terms of sheer determination and strength, becoming foundational cats to their clan!

im almost done with set 3, ill post l8r i am so tired

[cagedcats]

*edit finally crumpled down and changed Emberkit back to Firekit. They’re an original character after all, and their prefix did fit them. So changing them back to orange tabby, and back to the name Firekit.

Alright one last kitten post for Starkit’s Prophecy Redux Iterum verse- this time with Starkit II’s kits with Jazzstar.

Though this verse their parentage will be changing (still connected to Jazzstar and Starkit though the First not the Second).

Now onto their name changes

Fluffykit

Fluffykit is the only one of the siblings not named after someone interestingly enough. Which is even more surprising when he is rather important from how much he is written.

He is actually the easiest, and I gifted him my favorite prefix, Dandelion-. The other possibilities was Daffodil- or even Light-.

But Dandelion- works with a long furred cat and honestly I just love it too much to pass it up.

And Y’know I’ll discuss suffixes with the three too, and Dandelionkit is a -heart of -dusk. While him and his entire litter are described as good fighters from birth, Dandelionkit loses any fight by himself.

Which hey that’s a newborn kit you may say, and yeah but look at Starkit’s Prophecy. We got Tigerkit and Starkit II fighting and killing people from the womb.

He’s a -heart due to how dedicated he is to the cause. Sacrificing himself and even in his dying breath he doesn’t regret it, claiming this was his “destiny” to die there. He doesn’t follow his mother into her weak willed attempt at evilness and chooses his Clan.

Which could make him a -dusk as well due to his loyalty and dedication to the Clan.

So either Dandelionheart or Dandeliondusk

Firekit

They difficult to pin down, as they’re only mentioned twice. Once when they’re born and said to be bright ginger and named, and the other scene was them helping their siblings fight Tigerstar. They I can only presume named after Firestar.

Which another thing- we don’t actually know Firekit’s gender. The wiki lists Firekit as a she-cat, but there is nothing in the texts saying this from what I can get. So I’ll elect to just calling Firekit a Jack as of right now, and going with that. Our non-binary representation.

However we have nothing to go off of besides their two appearances as to what they’re like, so probably just get a -stripe suffix. Or we could do -claw or even -fang to help them stand out more. Cause we have Nightclaw and eventually their brother who is for sure getting -claw.

And I’m sure the kits would’ve been fantastic hunters too if they weren’t in fights 24/7.

So either Firestripe or Firefang

Tigerkit

No naming after his name has to go but-

Tigerkit is the most important of the three as he is what the Prophecy was actually about! Yes Starkit was going to kill her newborn son to save the forest!

…yeah

So we get his birth, he’s kidnapped and raised to be evil in the matter of minutes. He is seen beating up Tigerstar for… training I guess. He’s also married his (half) Aunt, Rainstar.

He also helps kill his brother after being hit once by Tigerstar, and then he’s beamed away by Starkit II.

Yeah not much to say about him. He’s important, but like everyone else he’s flat as hell. But what we do see is him being dedicated to the evil cats whose motives I still don’t know, and he’s a good fighter to make Tigerstar be bloody and exhausted.

Now finding something similar to Tiger- was… difficult. Since Starkit the First is a religious fanatic Nightclaw is relatively the same in that regard and wouldn’t want a lot named after the big Three. So finding something similar was hard.

But the Tiger in the Iterum religion is best described as the sky… if I remembered that correctly god. And Dusk- fits a dark brown tabby cat! So Dusk- he becomes.

Though he doesn’t fight being kidnapped.

Either way, I’m giving him -claw. Despite the absurdity of it all, he’s a good fighter, the best of his siblings from the looks of it all. I would almost budge and go -heart, but it took a magical beam to eradicate him and also suffix naming hierarchy puts skills over top of personality.

So the final one of the litter, Duskclaw.