Tuvok says that Vulcan children are very well behaved and have a lot of emotional control by the time they’re ~elementary school aged which makes sense but also makes me want to see what a Vulcan toddler or kindergartener acts like since they can’t be reasoned with as well (can’t really meditate) + are babies and also brimming with near irrepressible violence/emotions.
Vulcan toddler is just quietly accompanying their parent along on an errand. They stop and point to a toy of some sort and ask politely if they can have it. Their parent explains that they have enough toys at home. The toddler immediately throws the tantrum of the century. Just turns into an absolute wild animal in their rage. Other Vulcans are just like “aaa I remember when my children were that age” but any aliens around are like “oh my god is that thing OK??”
I imagine even older Vulcan children would have issues with emotional control given that they’re also children! Though they’d of course know they needed to control themselves and behave...sometimes you just slip up.
Vulcan children are playing together harmoniously. Then one breaks the established rules of the game.
“I made contact with your arm. You are now the chaser.”
“You did not make contact with my arm. I dodged your attempt.”
“You dodged unsuccessfully. I made contact with your arm.”
“I did not.”
“You are cheating.”
“I believe you are the one cheating.”
And an adult has to rush over as one pounces on the other and they both begin screaming and clawing at each other’s eyes. The rest of the children are watching with interest or perhaps grabbing implements to assist their friend.
Little lapses in emotional control would probably be common until they reached like....highschool age. I can imagine an eleven year old Vulcan hearing they can’t sleepover a friend’s home and immediately shattering a vase before apologizing and cleaning it up.
It also seems like bullying would be very prevalent on Vulcan. Spock is canonically bullied frequently and it seems natural that Violent, Extreme Emotions in teenagers would lead to that kind of behavior which isn’t outwardly unacceptable (like crying, laughing, etc) but still satisfies an illogical desire towards cruelty and establishing dominance.
Vulcans schools probably have so many ‘Bullying Is Illogical’ seminars that do nothing and everyone makes fun of behind their teacher’s backs.
Two Vulcan teenagers bullying each other, trying to see who has the more emotional reaction. If you cry or get mad you lose. Only babies cry and get mad...seems pretty illogical(cringe).
Vulcans seem to be very focused on respectability so I’m sure that as bloodthirsty teens there would be a lot of accusations and rules...if you hang out with X then Z,H and Y won’t talk to you. If you apologize too soon then they might accuse you of behaving too emotionally and gossip about you...if you don’t apologize at all they might accuse you of behaving too emotionally and gossip about you. It’s very stressful.
Tuvok also said when he was a teenager in that one flashback that he was ready to fight over the girl he had a crush on (saying he’d “issue a challenge” or something) so I’m implementing that into my personal understanding of Vulcans...like adults do NOT want these kids to fight but amongst other teens they’re like:
“Seynar is my boyfriend.”
“I disagree. He sat next to me during meditation three times this week.”
“Only because I was absent.”
“Then he is fickle and will be mine soon enough.”
And then they challenge one another to a secret duel after school. Dueling to the death is very cool and grownup v_v (teens rarely die from such duels though bc either the other teen stops or someone told an adult). It makes sense to me that teenagers with violent urges would fight one another in a way that they consider acceptably adult. (mimicking the marriage ritual thing or even pon farr...romantic and cool.)
Imagine being a teen Vulcan and your crush starts hinting that they have another person who might be interested in them....hmmm.....and you know you’re gonna have to duel for them or lose em. Such is life.
Vulcan teens seem like they’d either date a lot (emotional whims) very non seriously (because they’re all betrothed) or date not at all because they’re gonna get married to their betrothed anyway.
Loving someone other than your fated match is probably a pretty big trope in Vulcan romance stories...or maybe the opposite? Like someone bad tries to steal your heart but you remain resolute and return to your fated match as is logical.
Anyway all this to say that I think Vulcan children and emotional control is something that’s fun to think about. Especially regarding how Vulcan children would act around adults vs other children.
Vulcan child to adult: I will do my best to get along with my sibling.
(2 seconds later once mother has left)
Vulcan child: You may play with the red toy. If you play with the blue toy I will harm you. Bodily.
Meanwhile their older sibling is rolling their eyes like ugh....threatening violence is for babies....now to prepare for my logical and very adult duel for the love of my life whom I have known for three months. v_v
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finn said mike was trying to be “normal.” we know this normalcy hes trying to obtain isnt in relation to dnd— hes very open about playing it and suppressing his nerdy side isnt part of his arc, but instead lucas’. him trying to be normal has nothing to do with the upside down shit either. were shown nothing the whole season that explicitly has to do with him trying to ignore the upside down or suppressing trauma or anything (hell, his storyline the whole season is completely disconnected from the supernatural plot, hence him never showing up in episode seven). hes just being the same kid he always is. that is, until he shows up in california
from the second he walks through the airport terminal were shown something is weird with his whole getup. he acts weird the whole day, his behavior feels forced, and to top it all off, he cant tell his girlfriend he loves her. he gets defensive over it. and this behavior just… doesnt line up with the explanation we were given
if he did love her, he had nothing to be so paranoid about. being scared to say you love your girlfriend because you think shell leave you one day doesnt result in whatever the hell mike was doing, especially in tv shows. and getting defensive over the prospect of not loving her puts him under even more scrutiny. in media were actively meant to see deflection of blame and defensiveness as a confirmation of guilt, so why would they have him act that way if he wasnt guilty? for drama? to throw us off the scent? fuck no, thats just shitty writing with no rhyme or reason
mike would not act that way if he was actually in love with her.
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Being raised by adults who never apologized for their wrongdoings and always blamed their behavior on extenuating circumstances or someone else or their mental conditions really messed me up huh. Like all I asked was for you to apologize for yelling at me for asking you to hand me something because you thought my tone was wrong. But instead of an apology, I'm the one in the wrong because after all my tone was hostile to you and I need to remember that due to your ADHD you can't control your emotions. Nevermind the fact that I had carefully rehearsed the question in my head over and over again because this is not the first time this has happened. And I'm clearly a manipulative person for crying after being yelled at. Doesn't matter that I was thirteen, after all, I should've known better.
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I get that everyone thinks Shorther is older than Ash since he's always been so much taller than Ash, even in Angel Eyes, but we never see Ash teasing him for his age, even if it's maybe like 1 or 2 years. I think they're same age, which means Shorter would've been born in the year of 2000 too. He could be younger even, but we never see Ash calling him a kid either. We see Ash teasing Eiji for his age all the time even tho it's just 2 years apart, but never them.
All I'm saying is that Shorter and Ash knew each other for a couple of years and never teased each other for their age, while Ash literally made fun of Eiji when they just met lol.
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Guys I'm not normal about immortal characters. I think there is something deeply wrong with me that draws me to them but ohh my god I could talk about the horror of immortality for so long.
On the mind bc I beat bg3 today as durge romancing astarion. I want to imagine they cured him of his vampirism! But what if they never do?
Learning slowly to love after having lived for 200 years in torment. Growing, slowly, to care for friends. Finding companionship with this rag-tag group of heros thrust together by fate. Falling for someone. Learning how to love, sincerely. Caring for someone with your whole heart. Saving the world. Staying with them. Settling down. Reuniting with friends!
But as time marches on, it takes its toll on those he cares for. Maybe sickness or battle take one or two. And it hurts, but life carries on.
Perhaps the eldest of the group find their end with old age. It hurts, but life carries on.
Time continues, he sees his beloved aging, while he does not. It hurts, but life carries on.
The group is small now. Another didn't live to see the next reunion. It hurts, but life carries on.
Finally, it happens. The one he loves most, the reason he cares for life at all, dies. Perhaps they lived to the end of their lifespan. Perhaps battle or sickness ripped them from life early. It matters not how they die, only that they do. And it hurts. Gods, it hurts. But life carries on. It does not end for him like it does for others. It continues, leaving him naught but bitterness and grief. It leaves not even the certainty that it will end, and allow one to see the departed once more, as an equal.
It hurts, but life carries on.
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