#it also has one of my favorite fob lyrics ever:

[a-very-zilly-gooze]

ok but folie à deux is such an underrated album. makes me want to beat up men and wear over-the-top winged eyeliner and leather jackets and skinny jeans and drive entirely too fast down desolate roads late at night. genuinely my favorite fall out boy album, 10/10.

[earlgreytea68]

hi egt

what fob songs scream hiatus to you?

i need to experience emotional ruin real quick

God, there are so many, like, basically allll of Save Rock and Roll feels like them working through the hiatus together (not least because of how it has a higher percentage of Patrick lyrics than usual, probably because of him coming off his solo work). But the hiatus loomed so large for them as this nuclear blast in their relationship, it seems to bleed all through Pete's words (and hence their songs) for years afterward.

And it actually even starts before the hiatus, with the "What a Catch, Donnie" music video, which is the most hiatus-y thing to ever hiatus, Pete going down with his ship while he sends everyone else away to party without him. IT'S ALL SO SYMBOLIC.

And then to title a song on the first Believers Never Die album "From Now On, We Are Enemies." WHAT THE HELL hahahahaha WHAT A CHOICE, PETE WENTZ. (a downward spiral, just a pirouette and I only what what I can't have -- wanting what you can't have is a total hiatus theme for me that shows up a bunch in Pete's lyrics. I have not done an empirical analysis to see if it's a more prevalent theme after the hiatus or not.)

"The Phoenix" has obvious symbolism for their life as a band, raising their career from the ashes, changing themselves up like a remix, wearing their vintage of misery better than everyone else. Also, I love the imagery it has of peace, the "release the doves, surrender love" bit. Waving the white flag and putting down your weapons (in contrast to put on your war paint). But I've always kind of felt like surrender love is one of Pete's deliberate ambiguities: It could be "surrender your love" but it could also be "surrender, love." And Pete doesn't often use "love" as a term of endearment in his lyrics but he called Patrick "love" on stage not too long ago, so, you know, it seems not too outside the realm of possibility to think that these are really lines about reconciliation. It feels like time is running out, so let's surrender and hold tight.

Then there's "Alone Together": I'm outside the door, invite me in so we can go back and play pretend. The image of playing pretend / make-believe with someone also recurs in Pete's poetry, and it's something else I always read as Patrick-coded. Who did he used to "pretend" with for the sake of the shippers? And, of course, starting at the end of the road to ruin sounds like people who have burned everything down but are finding their way back.

I wrote a whole fic about "Where Did the Party Go" :-)

What is there to say about "Miss Missing You" that hasn't already been said? The infamous "hot whiskey eyes" line that honestly can only be about Pete Wentz lol. The imagery of the person you'd take a bullet for being behind the trigger: they have both at separate points in time proclaimed their readiness to take a bullet for the other. The fact that Pete wrote in a poem once before the hiatus I miss you missing me, and this song is I miss missing you. Like, everyone just die over this song.

To me "The Kids Aren't Alright" is a hiatus song in that it's about surviving the hiatus, coming through it, reversing the curse, it's our time now if you want it to be, in the end, I'd do it all again, I think you're my best friend.

"Fourth of July" is another hiatus song for me, the reference to the burned bridges being the light that leads you home is just so hiatus-y. Also, the torture of small talk with someone you used to love just smacks of the hiatus, of how they stopped talking to each other, of how they knew so little about each other and had to start over. This is more wanting what you can't have, too: my favorite what-if, my best I'll-never-know. I said I'd never miss you. I wish I'd known how much you loved me. It's so much, this song lol

Twin Skeleton's: ouch. This song is so painful. This song scrapes over your skin like sandpaper. This song is so angry and bitter. This song is I need a new partner in crime and you shrug. oh my GOD that line kills me every single time. That one and the way Patrick snarls, I could just die laughing on your spiral of shame. This is an angry song, but the anger is born of a depth of emotion and it ends with Patrick promising hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on over and over, and that's what makes it extra-hiatus to me, like, hold on, it all gets better, I'm coming back, hold on, hold on, hold on...

I find the hiatus infects their songs less and less the farther they get away from it, which is good. It's healing. As we've discussed, they've almost forgotten the whole thing even happened, it's been blurred over by the sands of time.

[campbyler]

hii , just wanted to say how much i litterally love this fic, ngl it has turned me into a swiftie (bow down to taylor swift) anyways i wanted to ask what is the partys fav eras?

every time someone says they became a taylor fan bc of this fic we grow more powerful >:) so glad to hear! welcome to the brainrot 🫡 as for their favs, we talked abt their fav albums a while back but that was a While Back and i never deny an opportunity to talk acswy party x taylor so here are what we think their favs would be:

el: speak now stan first and human being second. she’s just like me <3 no notes here her taste is immaculate. she did in fact shell out for the merch earlier this summer

max: rep girly through and through (both the album and the vibes of the Era) but i think she holds a very soft spot for lover (specifically after she and lucas start dating). loves call it what you want bc she is a not so secret softie

lucas: lover! not a huge fan but got introduced to taylor more through max and naturally gravitated towards lover. i’ve said this before and i’ve said this again but his fav track off of it is def i think he knows. he got my heart! beat! skipping down 16th avenue! etc so on and so forth

dustin: not a huge taylor Fan for the most part. likes her more popular hits and therefore probably 1989 if he had to pick an album. however he can also be found listening to very random debut tracks that no one else in the party ever really listens to. his spotify listening activity will show him listening to cold as you for three hours and everyone thinks it’s a glitch (it’s not). also a should’ve said no enjoyer. he and el scream it in the car a lot

will: tells everyone it’s folklore for the lyricism and whatnot (it’s mostly true) but he holds a special spot for red tv that he conveniently does not mention (specifically the breakup songs) (#andyoucallmeupagainjusttobreakmelikeapromise). mostly bc of the timing of when it dropped but also bc red tv is a masterpiece and he is putting some well deserved respect on its name. el and max know his secret though bc they had to listen to him listening to it on loop for nov-december 2021 and then it carried over into jan 2022 before they finally staged an intervention

mike: if he had to choose an Album it would prob be evermore but i think his favorite songs are scattered throughout the rest of her discography! to meeeee he is a mine enjoyer, as well as delicate, hygtg, so on and so forth. is not allowed to listen to this is me trying anymore for his own safety (lucas keeps tabs on his spotify activity). also to me mike is a pop punk enjoyer so i think speak now’s sound really draws him in as well! definitely got excited over fob + hayley’s features on the vault tracks

[spelloverthewest07]

hi all! i was thinking about my favorite tttyg song in class today (homesick at space camp) and i got kinda carried away and wrote out a lyric analysis. i thought there would be people on here who might appreciate this more than my roommates who have to hear me talk about fob all the time, so i wanted to share it :)

any additional comments or observations are super welcome!!

typed up transcript (with some additional notes) below the cut in case anyone has trouble reading it from the picture :)

"landing on a runway in chicago... grounding"

plane landing vs "grounding" dreams - speaker is stuck physically AND mentally

"ever really seeing california"

2. both literal (since the plane landed in chicago) and figurative (CA representing getting famous)

"i know what's in between is something sensual"

3. the subject is in CA - 3rd layer ↑ [and since the speaker isn't planning on going back to california, this may mean that they're unsure about whether their relationship with the subject will ever become anything beyond long-distance]

"sensual in such non-conventional ways"

4. long-distance relationship, but still very intimate

"the headphones will deliver you the words that i can't say"

5. both literal (long-distance, so the speaker can't say it in person) and figurative (hard to say how they feel)

"tonight is all about we miss you"

6. speaker is a writer; this isn't a proper sentence, but the subject makes [the speaker so overcome with emotion that it makes] them forget how to talk

"we miss you (we miss you)"

7. "we" miss you - the band knows and cares for this person, too. plus, andy's voice! :) [also, the fact that andy's voice comes from either ear, rather than in the middle like patrick's, enhances the sentiments of a Group missing the subject, not just the speaker]

"somehow it was like you were the first to listen"

8. speaker feels like the subject not only listens to the music, but also really UNDERSTANDS it

"everything we said"

9. fan of the band :)

"my smile's an open wound without you"

10. smile causes pain and vulnerability w/out subject [and i thought of this after i wrote this, but there's also the idea that even joy is painful if the speaker can't share it with the subject...]

"my hands are tied to pages"

11. speaker feels compelled to keep writing to subject

"pages inked to bring you back"

12. through writing, the speaker brings the subject back both literally (by convincing them to visit/return) and figuratively (by remembering them)

13. reference to a poem: "new friends are old friends". [ran out of room but the poem is by joseph parry, and it is from the late 1800s.] the poem says new friends are silver and old ones are gold. by flipping this, the speaker claims that these new friends are just as valuable :)

[swinging-stars-from-satellites]

So I keep finding Fall Out Boy songs that are absolute VIBES and I really like their work! I'm wondering if you have any recommendations, since you're a huge fan. No pressure, of course!!

ok so there's like, songs I just really like. songs that are pretty deep cuts. and songs that have Lore behind them that make me absolutely insane. I'm gonna give you a few of each

obviously their hits are hits for a reason. Sugar is so much fun to sing. Dance, Dance has a wicked fun bass part. Immortals and Centuries are both simply iconic. Grand Theft Autumn is a classic. I also really love The Last Of The Real Ones

I really like Alone Together, Fake Out (obviously sndkdnskfk) — actually, Hazel, do me a solid and just listen to all of So Much (For) Stardust straight through one time if you want/have a chance. it's so worth the like, hour of your time — Disloyal Order Of Water Buffaloes, Bob Dylan, and Hold Me Tight Or Don't. they're super good songs lyrically and musically I love them dearly they're not like, radioplay popular but they're decently well known?

as for some deeper cuts basically all of Folie A Deux is a banger despite the morality of some of the songs being iffy lol but hey. it bops we gotta be real here. I really really like the title track off of Save Rock And Roll (it makes me a bit emotional considering the band's journey through the years yknow?) as well as Miss Missing You. The Patron Saint of Liars and Fakes goes HARD. The Music Or The Misery is... a whole lot. Bang the Doldrums, an absolute BANGER of a song to jump around a room to, could technically go in the lore category but honestly. it's the song that would have been in Shrek 2 if DreamWorks weren't hecking cowards. The (After) Life Of The Party is one of my favorite songs EVER. Wilson (Expensive Mistakes) is basically my theme song.

as for like, Lore songs, Hum Hallelujah is actually one of THE songs that got me into FOB, as well as Coffee's For Closers — Hum is largely about FOB's lyricist and bassist's suicide attempt (not in a horribly depressing way actually, it's a reference and a homage to the song that he says saved his life), and CFC borrows lyrics from one of that guy's old blog post poetry things (which I actually reblogged earlier today). I've Got A Dark Alley And A Bad Idea That Says You Should Shut Your Mouth (Summer Song) (yes, by Fall Out Boy sjdkdksk) is also tangentially about Pete's attempt in that he wrote it around that time and it's very much about his own insecurities. a pretty dark, sad song but one I relate to a lot and it sounds SO pretty. Saturday, off their first (proper) record, is a song the lead singer wrote pretty much entirely about the band and specifically the aforementioned bassist/lyricist — very historical song but also the song I sing every time I get in the car to drive somewhere skdlfjssk.

listen ok this is a lot, so-

TL;DR, out of every song I've recced here, top 10 songs you should listen to by Chicago Softcore Rock Band Fall Out Boy:

Hum Hallelujah, Bob Dylan, Coffee's For Closers, The (After) Life Of The Party, Saturday, Bang the Doldrums, Wilson (Expensive Mistakes), Save Rock and Roll, Patron Saint of Liars and Fakes, The Last Of the Real Ones

also the entirely of SMFS start to finish. it's a cinematic experience despite being audio. it might change your life.

[girlfriendsofthegalaxy]

tuesday again 3/28/2023

accidentally read five books.

listening

look i know there's a new fall out boy but i have conflicting opinions about that band bc i am no longer seventeen.

MARINA (formerly Marina and the Diamonds) was another artist coming up when i was in high school, but even though Family Jewels was one of the first albums i really got into, she has soundtracked far less of my life compared to FOB so listening to her is a little less fraught. nothing else has taken up space in my brain this week like the lyrics to hollywood: "hollywood infected your brain/you wanted kissing in the rain".

kind of obsessed how the music video cuts out an entire chunk of lyrics about dissatisfied flight attendants? also jesus christ this came out in 2010. BABY marina

originally stuck in my brain bc my sister and i were talking about the musical chicago, and this song contains the lyrics "oh my god you look just like shakira/no wait you're catherine zeta/actually my name's marina"

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reading

Star Wars: Dark Disciple by Christie Golden. ventress has never been my favorite of count dooku’s batmanesque kidnapped children. i respect her! she’s awful! i want to see her flirt with obi-wan more but maul (my beloved) has always had more screen time and depth.

it’s spackled together from most of a cancelled eight-episode clone wars arc and it kind of shows? this is not to say that star wars books are uninterested in the interiority of their characters, but we rarely get in their heads. star wars books are much more focused on what it looks like in the movie— there are big cinematic set pieces where it’s important to know exactly where everyone is in a fight.

golden writes a competent action scene. this is more than i can say for many star wars writers.

^ i am shoving my fist into my mouth and screaming.

anyway, one of my worst character traits is a latent previously discussed fondness for steampunk and a less latent fondness for urban fantasy.

i read Alexis Hall's Iron and Velvet Kate Kane book a million years ago possibly at the rec of @bronanlynchh during the new hampshire internship, one of the worst depressive periods of my life, but i did consume a lot of gay romance during that period. bc im in my noir era now, reread it and realized there were more! so i devoured them all over the weekend.

to quote @quaraxuanzenith who seems to be the only other person here who has read them recently,

have you ever thought, "Twilight sure is a book, but it would be better if Bella ( a ) realized that Edward is a weird controlling creep, ( b ) dumped him, ( c ) came out to herself as lesbian, and ( d ) went off to become a paranormal private investigator"?

these are just fun nonsense! i loved them and will buy paper copies after i move! i would not call these "spicy", but she falls in and out of the arms of SO many femmes and fatales (who sometimes overlap). there are SO many women throwing themselves at her. it is a delightful way of nodding at the genre's roots bc kate has some game! she doesn't have zero game! she not an oblivious useless lesbian archetype either! but she's usually like ?????? this person is OUT OF MY LEAGUE and never actually realizes a tall, tortured, sad, purple-eyed lady in a trenchcoat is catnip to nearly all wlw.

i think the third book hits its stride and flings you into a rapidly entangling web of loyalties and motivations that i really enjoy in a noir. i like how the author feels no need to write the YA vampire book trilogy she survived. i like how kate has a life going on apart from the stuff that happens in the books. she does not feel like she started existing the moment the book opens.

i finally understand the little old lady love of endless mystery series, bc this is some really comforting reading. i would read twenty of these. i trust that this author's got me and may fling some twists or red herrings at me but ultimately i won't turn the page and she'll be beaten in the street for being an out lesbian. okay so she does get whumped in the street but it's for case reasons

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watching

virtuosity (1995, dir leonard). the tagline of this film is "Hell hath no fury like a composite of 183 serial killers. Meet Sid 6.7"

is this a Good film? oh god no. if you've seen the tv show interview with the vampire, it has the same contrasting vibes between the two leads, where one is turning in an incredible performance about a black man trying to hold onto family and dignity while the other is prancing around like a deranged show pony. except without the clarity of purpose or production values of a big budget amc tv drama. however, russell crowe (guy i love to see) put his whole ass into this performance. this is not a half-assed acting effort. it is a joy to watch him zip around screen while denzel washington is giving a very good performance as a disgraced, widowed ex-cop.

this really throws a wrench into my whole "if a movie is about being afraid of a robot it's about being afraid of women" bc crowe is not a woman, but he is a malevolent neural network given an android body. a private company has a contract for a police training tool (the neural network trained on 183 serial killers who you can fight in VR) and is testing the interface on prisoners. i wish this movie had anything to say or critique about this three-way partnership other than using it as an inciting incident for what turns into a chase movie. the movie does not attempt to convince you this would be a good idea in a different private company's dev team but i wish the movie spent slightly less time going AAAAAA HOW TO STOP and any time at all going AAAAAAA HOW DID WE LET THIS HAPPEN

i would call this film camp on vibes alone except it is almost completely uninterested in sensuality. the special effects have not aged very well at all, but the film has the same production designer (Nilo Rodis-Jamero) as Johnny Mnemomic (also 1995) so the film Looks.

why? it was leaving canopy soon and when my gender isn't "woman in the same way a sailing ship is a woman" it's "nineties movie club scenes"

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playing

weird west! still! (image from the steam page bc i keep forgetting to take screenshots)

not terribly worried about the somewhat repetitive nature of the locations themselves, bc the enemy encounters are varied enough it feels like solving a new puzzle each time. also im still having fun.

i have been picking off guys from around the edges of enemy encampments with a silenced rifle and then tanking through this rest with a shotgun and liberal bandage application, as i am wont to do in shooty games, but i cannot currently break my husband out of a mine run by...cannibals? human traffickers to the cannibals? the xp-giving bad guys without getting one of my companions killed. i really don't want to ditch ann lara (i'm not entirely sure what her deal is? sort of a smooth-talking hustler archetype? but really good with pistols?) who has been with me for most of the eight hours i've played this game. the sheriff/my neighbor, along for the ride for her own reasons, has four times as much health as either of us so she's staying. she's been the only one left alive most of my attempts at this one FUCKING cave.

so i am looping back out into the world (sorry husband) to go think about some real tactics. practice my dodge rolls in a less tense environment. perhaps level up some guns and armor. now you might say "kay! isn't it worrying that you're hitting such a big difficulty cliff?" and to that i say "not really bc i cannot stress the amount of simply dicking around and exploring ive done, also i am not a clever woman."

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making

fallow week

[riddlerosehearts]

Ok, I need to know your fob album ranking and top 10 songs, GO!

oooh okay so i need to start by saying that i am heavily biased toward their older stuff because... i've listened to fall out boy since i was probably too young to listen to fall out boy AFGKJDF and their pre-hiatus albums essentially shaped my music taste and helped me get through a lot of difficult times in my life. so i'm really just generally more attached to them than the rest but i do like every single one of their albums at least a little because they all have songs i love. i also had to think about this a bit and am still not sure if it's a perfect ranking because i'm incredibly indecisive. but this is what i'm feeling right now! (also i apologize in advance for adding a bunch of commentary and rambling instead of just giving you the ranking LOL)

albums:

from under the cork tree - was the first FOB album i ever listened to so i'm biased but it's so fucking good. especially if you include the bonus tracks from it. there is not a single song on here that i don't love.

infinity on high - contains my favorite FOB song (okay maybe it's illogical that my #1 song is from my #2 album but listen... it's a very close #2), aesthetically has the coolest album cover, and it's just fantastic all around--again, especially if you include the bonus tracks.

take this to your grave - i feel like a lot of people hate TTTYG nowadays and i'll never understand why. it's a great album. it's classic pop punk and just pure fun.

folie a deux - literally never understood the hate this album got when it came out!! it's so good!! i remember listening to the whole thing the same day as it dropped and loving it and being so confused seeing how much people complained about it :(

so much (for) stardust - okay i actually love this album so much that #5 feels too low but if i switched it with folie then #5 would feel too low for folie so idk 😭😭 my favorite post-hiatus album BY FAR though. it's sooo good and it's also special to me because i literally never got to see fall out boy live until they toured for its release last year.

save rock and roll - has some misses for me, as do the albums i've ranked below it, but overall i like my favorite songs from SRAR more than i like my faves from the albums below, and it gets bonus points for how cool the youngblood chronicles is + the nostalgia i associate with FOB's return from their hiatus.

american beauty/american psycho - ABAP gets a lot of hate but i think it kind of rocks actually and putting it at #7 feels slightly wrong. it's really only this low because something has to be and because again, i like my favorite SRAR songs more than my favorite ABAP songs.

mania - i think a lot of people on here get mad if you put MANIA last so i'm sorry afksjgdsf. it honestly just has the lowest number of songs i really like and has several that i don't. though i will say that last of the real ones is a certified banger and i was so glad it had a permanent spot on the tourdust setlist.

songs:

hum hallelujah - my beloved 💙💙 when i saw FOB live they had a slot on the setlist where each night they'd either play bang the doldrums or hum hallelujah and i won't lie, i did feel disappointed for a second when doldrums started. i got over it because i love that song too but. hum hallelujah is one of my all time favorite songs.

i slept with someone in fall out boy and all i got was this stupid song written about me - my favorite song on FUTCT and another all time fave. i also think this is the funniest song title of all time btw.

XO

G.I.N.A.S.F.S. - so jealous of anyone who's gotten to see this played live as a magic 8-ball song :(

calm before the storm - this having a permanent spot on the tourdust setlist got me hyped like you wouldn't believe because they had last played it in 2007. underappreciated banger.

love from the other side - this was literally my top song of 2023 on my spotify wrapped. i made an angsty raeda gifset with lyrics from it not long after the single came out because it made me so insane.

sugar we're goin' down - might be a bit of a basic choice but it was the first FOB song i ever liked and it fucking slaps 💖 also when i saw them live i swear patrick changed the lyrics to "wishing to be the friction in his jeans" which is just. legendary and iconic of him.

disloyal order of water buffaloes

grand theft autumn/where is your boy - again, a basic choice, but sometimes things are popular for a reason!

the carpal tunnel of love

[souryogurt64]

sour how do you feel about fob’s music post-hiatus vs pre-hiatus? also how do you feel about the shift in their public image as well as the shift in their fan base between these time periods? i find the way they seemed to be perceived as a band and as people pre-haitus vs post-hiatus really intriguing and would love to hear your thoughts on it

interestingly i think i used to absolutely adore folie and tttyg when i was younger like i think a lot of teens do, but i feel like my taste has changed now and those albums are probably some of my least favorites (though i love all of it, lol). i will say headfirst slide is one of the greatest songs theyve ever put out and is definitely in my top 5, i think tttyg is charming and very solid but it feels a bit more repetitive now that im older. im gonna get shot for this but i think some of the musical styles on folie have become less appealing to me as i have aged

ioh and cork tree are obviously amazing, i think everyone agrees on that and i have a tough time picking between the two

personally right now i think save rock and roll is their best album, i think its one of the strongest lyrically if not the strongest. save rock and roll was also what introduced me to fall out boy so maybe im biased but at this point in my life i really think its their best album, the lyrics are absolutely incredible and i feel like the way the artist features meld with the record thematically is really impressive and the ybc thing they did was really amazing in my opinion, i feel like people dont appreciate it as much anymore because i believe its age restricted on youtube now

i think abap is one of their weaker albums in terms of lyrics to be honest, i feel like the two biggest songs were reliant on a sample and something another girl wrote/sang and the album was also short. its still very solid and very catchy but it felt a bit underwhelming because of that. it was also extremely, extremely overplayed when i was in high school, so that might be part of why i dislike it, and it is their worst album art by far.

mania i think is interesting, i didnt like it at first and i do think it has its shortcomings (its short, they did scrap and rewrite it on a short timeframe) and is definitely experimental but it has some really amazing songs-- i think last of the real ones is one of the best theyve ever put out. its by no means their worst album. i do not think young and menace should have been the lead single, i think that turned basically everyone off to the album and i remember i actually cried in the bathroom at school when it came out. i think if last of the real ones had been the lead the reception would have been very different. however, the visuals for the album on their tour as well as the cover and the merch/promo they did is some of the best ive ever seen. i also loved loved loved dear future self

i do think their public image shift is interesting--andy used to widely be considered to sleep around a lot but my generation kind of views him as a wholesome teddy bear, lol, and pete has been very successful at rehabbing his image haha. patrick and joe i think are more or less the same but when i was a teenager literally everyone acted like patrick did not know what sex was, which was a bit weird, and i think that was exclusive to like 2013-2016 bandom

BTW i think my top 5 songs ever in no particular order is just one yesterday, last of the real ones, headfirst slide, hum hallelujah, and then.... im not sure

[pisshandkerchief]

wait no ur yop 5 fob songs r all prehiatus i meant top 5 post hiatus sogs

LMAO I was about to tell you I kinda already did that. here we gooo I'm actually so grateful for this opportunity

So Much (For) Stardust title track. Literally changed the fucking game holy shit are you kidding me

Heaven, Iowa. god I love this song so bad it's unreal. everything to me. plus the title is a reference to one of my favorite movies like as soon as I heard about this one I knew I was gonna love it

So Good Right Now. I PROMISE this isn't going to all be sm(f)s but I have to include this one she's literally Charlie and I's SONG!!! like this is OURS! also the amount of times this song has ended up being thematically appropriate to my life is actually kinda freaky

Bishop's Knife Trick. oughoughoughhhgh. god. whenever I think about this song I go crazy. songs that make you have to sit down on the floor and stare at the wall for awhile just to get your bearings once they're over. pete wentz when I fucking GET you.

Centuries. yeah yeah I know it's overplayed or whatever and it's not as lyrically "deep" as some other fall out boy songs I DON'T CARE. this was the first fall out boy song I ever heard and she means a lot to me. are there other post hiatus songs I like a lot more? yes, absolutely. but in a top five I feel like I need to include her. this was like the craziest shit I'd ever heard as a little sheltered twelve year old kid just starting to branch out past his parents' music. let me have this.

[discoidal]

did you ever listen to the recent fob album? id love to hear your thoughts!

omggg i LOVED so much (for) stardust i have an abundance of thoughts!!

love from the other side is a good opening, i think it's a good song and sets the tone for the rest of the album well plus i love the sound and it gave us "what would you trade the pain for / im not sure" and other cool lyrics. one of the best choruses of the album also imo 8/10

heartbreak feels so good DOES feel pretty damn good no lie i lovee fall out boy cheesiness! 7/10

hold me like a grudge got me like i dont want heartbreak anymore i want to be loved now. the prechorus in this one is sooo addictive so good gets stuck in my head every time. patrick stump gets to sing his heart out i love it ALSO gave us "part time soulmate full time problem" 9/10

fake out understands me like every fob album has that song thats like My song and this is it . it's mine. THEE best chorus. i cant even articulate my feelings fully here. i feel a little cringe listening to it on repeat but thats my business and my business only 10/10

heaven, iowa is one i didnt rlly connect with unfortunately. ehhh 6/10 it sounds good naman and lyrics are good my heart just isn't in it

so good right now WHAT did i say about fall out boy cheese! i <3 mania the album and mania the psychiatric symptom and it shows. 7.5/10

the pink seashell i missed u fob spoken word....

i am my own muse i acc havent listened to this one that much which is a shame and i aim to rectify that immediately. 8.5/10

flu game my FAVORITE song on the entire album! i LITERALLY carved out a place in this world for two but it's empty without you..... also pretty cheesy but earnest and true last night i dreamt i still. knew. yOUUUUUUU!!! 10/10

baby annihilation I MISSED YOU FOB SPOKEN WORD...

the kintsugi kid not many thoughts abt this one actually. lol 6.5/10

what a time to be alive this song makes me soooo depressed you dont even know. 7.5/10 with the caveat that this song is the most likely to make me cry on the album

so much (for) stardust DESERVED title track what a song omfg. 9/10 we thought we had it all!!!! one of fob's best for sure like it is Up There for me. this entire album was so honest and this one is just as honest but more morose and more operatic which i think works WITH not against the rest of the album. optimism's dark underbelly. smth like that ANYWAY. loved.

thank u sm arby for asking this im sure u didnt expect this length but well. i have things i want to say and i thank you for hearing them 🥰

[secretkeeper007]

Okay I haven't had a chance to properly listen to the album yet (with no distractions and lyrics in front of me) but I have listened to it on my way to and from the mall so... Thoughts on initial listen:

Love from the Other Side: perfect. Amazing. There's a very good reason it's a single AND the first track on the album. Very reminiscent of early fob, especially infinity on high and folie a deux era.

Heartbreak Feels So Good: Not my favorite, gets very repetitive at times, but still very very good, very catchy and easy to sing along to. Again, there's a reason this was one of the singles

Hold Me Like A Grudge: Yeah this is really good. Again, good reason for it to be a single. The lyrics "part time soulmate full time problem" are hilarious and also relatable

Fake Out: Great song. Very good to dance to

Heaven, Iowa: if I'm not mistaken, this is the song Patrick was fighting very hard to keep off the album. Very happy to say Patrick was very wrong, this song is amazing and perfect and hits so good. It's also one of the songs that's title isn't *in* the song, which feels like a solid callback to pre-hiatus fob

So Good Right Now: great song! Great to jam out to in your car while driving to the mall

The Pink Seashell: not really a song. It was interesting I guess? Will have to listen more closely

I Am My Own Muse: another song I will have to listen to more closely. Sounded good, unfortunately I was dodging traffic and dealing with an unruly parking lot when this came on so didn't get a good listen

Flu Game: also didn't get a good listen to this song. Im pretty sure I liked it a lot but will def have to give another listen. Another song where the title is not in the song

Baby Annihilation: oh yeah Pete Wentz poetry. Solid callback to when Pete would just recite poetry and the end of songs. Specifically feels very close to his outro in 20 Dollar Nosebleed, but like updated? Part of me wishes it had been tied to a specific song, but another part respects it being left solo

The Kintsugi Kid: SO GOOD! One of my favorites on the album. It just hit really really good

What A Time to Be Alive: also one of my favorites. Absolute bop.

So Much (For) Stardust: y'all. This one. This is the best song. There's a good reason this is the album title. There's a good reason this is the last track. It is fucking incredible. I literally started crying. I knew it was gonna be good just from the opening violins, but holy shit. I cried through the whole song cuz it was just so good.

This whole album feels like a love letter to their past selves. And also their future selves. It's a love letter to everything they've ever created and everyone that's ever passed through their lives, even for just a moment. Lots of the songs have to do with love or heartbreak and I don't think it's about specific people but about specific times in their lives. I don't know. It's a really good album and I love it a lot. It's a really good balance of pre-hiatus fob, post-hiatus fob, and a completely new sound that they had yet to touch on until now.

I will be listening to this for the next week, and crying over how much this band has always meant to me and will always mean to me.

[earlgreytea68]

Maybe you've already answered this, but do you have a list of songs from FOB you consider the most related to Pete and Patrick? Songs potentially referring to either one of them and their relationship (like miss missing you)

Hmmm, I don't think I've already answered this, and this requires a little bit of thought, and it's been a long day at work, so if I miss some, I'll come back and add, and also I might come back and give more detail, but these are the ones that come to mind:

--Saturday: The infamous "me and Pete" song. And also the video is, like, Pete and Patrick turn out to be the same person??? Hahaha it's a lot lol they started it off with a bang, these two

--"It's Not a Side Effect of the Cocaine, I Think It Must Be Love": I've been meaning to write about this song for a while because I have a hard time understand who this song is about if it's not about Patrick lololol "Why can you read me like no one else? I hide behind these words but I'm coming out" "We'll make them so jealous, we'll make them hate us" Also, there is a whole world of interpretation to be done around the use of the word "out" in this song

--7 Minutes in Heaven: I've always thought that it's possible this song is also written to Patrick. "The only thing worse than not knowing is you thinking that I don't know," is the line that really resonates for me, given the subject matter of this song and the pressure Pete had put himself under around the band. But also like, "trying to forget everything that isn't you," like, again, given what Pete was going through, I think it's an argument that he could have been trying to forget everything but that he needed to succeed for Patrick, just focus on Patrick, be stuck fixated on one star while the world is crashing down.

--The (After) Life of the Party: To me this song is the most perfect social butterfly/favorite trope song of all time, and to me also social butterfly/favorite is the most on-target trope for the Pete and Patrick relationship.

--Miss Missing You: As you already noted. The hot whiskey eyes line will never die.

I....AB/AP has A LOT going on in it:

--The Kids Aren't Alright: is just...a lot. "And in the end, I'd do it all again, I think you're my best friend" is...a lot.

--Favorite Record: This song borrows heavily from Pete's "to you" poem which seems to be a poem to Patrick and I've written a lot about it here.

--Twin Skeleton's: I...have too many thoughts about this song and the twin skeletons on the BND covers.

--Fourth of July: Honestly my favorite song to read shippy, because "I'm sorry every song's about you" is just my favorite line ever hahaha

--Bishop's Knife Trick: the fact that this song has a lyric that reads "spiritual revolt from the waist down" just...

[thekidsarentalright]

Probably unpopular take:

Post-hiatus (from a vocalist standpoint) is performance wise and quality wise MUCH better. Now, as someone whose favorite albums are Folie, IOH, and SMFS, I prefer the composition of pre-hiatus, but people who shit on post-hiatus are just so genuinely inept and have a lack of understanding for the work that goes into these albums. I literally want to tear people apart when they shit on post-hiatus work, and then turn around and go “omg!!! SMFS!!! <333” like you’re allowed To not like the albums and have a preference, but saying the albums are bad just pisses me off. Also, I hate Petekey. I am a literal Petekey-anti (/hj). Idc if it happened, people need to literally shut up about Michael James Way EVERY TIME PETE WRITES A LYRIC EVEN REMOTELY RELATED TO LOVE, HEARTBREAK, OR SUMMER. LIKE PLS SHUT UPPPP 😭 these people are equating FOB’s entire success and talented and beautiful lyricism to this one emo twink whom Pete had an ALLEGED thing with. Like cmon man, his pussy was not THAT good. It’s been 15+ years, I don’t think Pete is STILL writing every song about Mikey. If he ever even did. Anyways, GINASFS and Miss Missing You belong to Peterick. PETERICK FOREVER RAAAHHHHH (platonic or romantic idc I just love them together)

anyways- sorry, that was a lot. Have a good day, user KintsugiKid!! (I’m so Sorry I don’t remember your name) ❤️

this ask is so incredibly funny and so so so unimaginably correct oh my god 😭 i just saw the ask you sent apologizing for maybe sounding aggressive in this but bestie, you are only stating objective truths u do not sound mean or aggressive at all HFKRNFK it is absolutely Undeniably okay to have preferences for some albums or sounds over others, but what is Not okay is being a dick about it like. you can like pre-h more without acting like post-h is the worst music ever made. fob does not make bad music. the thing w fob is that none of it is bad, it is literally Just up to personal preference!!!! anyone who acts like anything else is true is annoying and mean!!!! and also. i could go on and on about how fucking annoying petekey is and how disrespectful and insane it is for people to act like pete is STILL writing about him almost 20 years later like. girl. if anything did happen i Promise pete has moved on he has more Things and people to write about than that i pinky prommy <3 all of that is to say you are an icon for these opinions and how you worded them dont feel bad at all for speaking your Truth!!!!!

[taire-the-disaster-gay]

From Under The Cork Tree is the best Fall Out Boy album (Here’s why under the cut)

So basically From Under the Cork Tree came out in May of 2005 and is FOB’s second studio album (and in my opinion the best album to ever exist) featuring such iconic songs as “Sugar We’re Going Down” and “Dance Dance”, but it also features 11 more of the best songs to hit the American charts Most of the songs have bonkers long titles like “Our Lawyer Made Us Change the Name of This Song So We Wouldn’t Get Sued” (which was actually originally named “My Name Is David Ruffin And These Are The Temptations” but FOB’s lawyers made them change it so they didn’t get sued) and “I’ve Got a Dark Alley and a Bad Idea That Says You Should Shut Your Mouth”, and other such bops

My favorite currently is "Of All the Gin Joints in All the World" has this sweet guitar riff but it also has my very favorite vocal riffs on the album, as well as "We're making out inside crashed cars, and sleeping through all the memories" and "Oh, the way your makeup stains my pillowcase, like I'll never be the same" which are some of the most poetic yet totally emo song lyrics I know, and is all around a very nice bop 12/10

“I’ve Got a Dark Alley and a Bad Idea That Says You Should Shut Your Mouth” I talked about a lot yesterday so I won’t go on and on about it but “I’m hopelessly hopeful you’re just hopeful enough” is one of the hardest lyrics I’ve ever heard and I’ll take that to my grave (Ba dum tsh)

“Dance, Dance” and “Sugar, We’re Going Down” are both bops in their own respect, and I see why they’re chart toppers, but personally I’m kind of Danced and Sugared out, but they still hold a very special place in my heart

“A Little Less ‘Sixteen Candles’ a Litte More ‘Touch Me’” has a super banging chorus, and my favorite line to sing in the song and one of my favorite on the album is “You can make all the moves, you can aim all the spotlights, you can get all the signs and the moAHns just right” and then it slams into the chorus and I fucking adore every ounce of it

“Sophomore Slump or Comeback of the Year” was my anthem last year (Fitting seeing as I was a sophomore) and it very much encompasses the experience I had my sophomore year, and “Cause I swear I’d burn this city down to show you the light” was the height of poetic lyricism when I heard it for the first time (Still is honestly)

“Champagne For My Real Friends, Real Pain For My Sham Friends” is yet another lyrical wonder, because the rhyme scheme does NOT look like it should work and yet?? It does?? “You steer in a rear-view mirror, make my head swim I'll keep you warm and won't ask you where you've been With your backless black dress soaked to the skin When it's said and done, they're all scrambling And we're friends, we're friends Just because we move units” like none of that should rhyme and yet?! Like I literally am in love with it

“XO” and “Nobody Puts Baby in the Corner” are both good but not the first that come to mind when I think of FUCT, “XO” has “To hands between legs to ‘whatever it takes’ to drinks at the club to the bar to the keys to your car” which just fucks extremely, and “Nobody Puts Baby..” is an absolute bop, it just fucks so hard?? Like you just gotta listen to it I can’t explain it in words it’s so good

“Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying” is so emo it’s not even funny, but it’s kinda kitch in that way, and I truly adore it, “I know this hurts, it was meant to (it was meant toOoOoO) your secrets out and the best part is it isn’t even a good one, and it’s mind over you, don’t, don’t matter” goes SO fucking hard

“I Slept With Someone in Fall Out Boy and All I Got Was This Stupid Song Written About Me” goes SUPER hard when you’re angry about the way your ex boyfriend’s mom treated you, and “Douse yourself in cheap perfume, it’s so fitting (so fitting) of the way you are, can’t cover it up (can’t cover it up)” is gonna be on my headstone, it speaks to every single fibre of my being in a way I can’t explain

“Our Lawyer Made Us Change the Name of This Song So We Wouldn’t Get Sued” is a great example of Patrick Stump’s terrible diction in the sense that had I not googled the lyrics I would have no idea what he’s saying, but when you Google it the song makes so much sense and fucks so hard

“7 Minutes in Heaven (Avatan Halen)” is one we listened to yesterday and it speaks to my bones in such a way, I talked about it a bunch yesterday but like it is quite literally one of those songs that makes every ounce of my body ready to scram cry fight fuck laugh dance smile and so on

So yeah I love this album with my whole body

[dhampiravidi]

my review of Bring Me The Horizon's POST HUMAN: NeX GEn...

k so, I didn't know it was released til 15 min ago. also just got the Angry Oli Maid Pics. I have a feeling that I know how this first listen is gonna go, but who knows.

[ost] dreamseeker - no rating

If any of this is Eve from the concerts, I'll have to skip the OSTs, because AI scares me (been giving me nightmares for months now). Anyway, this just seems to be a clip of filler/ambient noise. I'll only give ratings to actual songs (longer than 2 min & w/singing).

2. YOUtopia - 5/10

I keep hoping it'll get better as I listen...it just sounds kinda whiny & maybe it was a Jordan Fish thing, but there's no build really. Of course, the name of the song is a pun...IDK. Song sounds a lot more hopeful than I thought it would, since I thought POST HUMAN was all apocalyptic/post-. Giving this a 5.

3. Kool-Aid - 8/10

Pretty sure they already released all the good stuff. I remember hating how "heavy" this sounded initially, but I love this song now. It's an anthem for...something. I guess it's a warning tale for cults, hence why I thought this was an "end-of-the-world" type thing. Solid 8.

4. Top 10 staTues tHat CriEd bloOd - 6/10

IDK why I just thought of FOB's Under the Cork Tree. Probably because I'm getting a pop-punk sound (apart from the fairy techno) that's either UtCT or maybe a lighter That's The Spirit (specifically, "Avalanche"). The sound definitely matches that of "LoST". I keep asking myself if BMTH's songs usually repeat the same parts musically & lyrically...I don't remember. If they do, I didn't notice.

5. liMOusine (ft. AURORA) - 6/10

Optimistic about this one! As long as it picks up...I like the guest singer's voice! It's beautiful on it's own & it complements Oli's pretty well. I'm thinking there should be (based on what BMTH usually does in its collaborations & what I think would go well) a section where he screams while she sings...ah, here we go. I guess I was thinking about what happens in AmEN. Hmm...I suppose they wanted a slower song.

6. DArkSide - 10/10

RAHHHH! I love this song sm. Again, I think all that we heard before today is probably the best parts of PH: NG. This is my favorite BMTH song (the last one Jordan worked on, I think). Pretty sure we've all heard the comparisons to Linkin Park for this one 😊. I love how it ebbs & flows but ultimately is a complete song, one that sounds great onstage, makes me dance, has a message & uses all of Oli's range.

7. a bulleT w/ my namE On (ft. Underoath) - 7.5/10

Immediate mixed feelings here. I love the part where the guitar & drums kick in. It always takes me a second listen to get used to the parts where Oli screams because I don't always expect them. I don't like when they edit his vocals to sound super-techno because then it's almost like implying he can't sing without autotune. OMG I can hear Jordan in the background...then I hear "guess this is goodbye" RIP, man. Have we ever had a song where he clearly sings backing (w/o muffling)? Oh, well. ANYWAY. This song fits the BMTH style, I think. IDK what it's saying at the end--I'm never a fan of editing in stuff that can't be understood unless it's a rhythmic thing.

8. [ost] (spi)ritual - 7.5/10

Best of the OSTs so far. It's a chill lil bop. *looks up the lyrics* oh sHIT. I had to pause it because apparently it's an occult ritual used to clear the room of negative energy prior to doing another ritual & um...I'm no expert in this stuff, so I'm just gonna skip to the next song!

9. n/A - 8/10

OK initially I thought this was a bad joke of a song, given Oli's past addictions & time in a mental hospital. It's actually a good song musically & lyrically. I just feel really awkward listening to it. I think it's referring to how he relapsed during COVID...the music video part of Spotify shows a demented kid's picture...

10. LosT - 9/10

Again, we got the good part. I think we all know the message behind this, which I respect considering how many meds I've gone through trying to improve my own mental health. I have thoughts (positive) about the music video, but this isn't a music video post-! "LoST" has the ebb & flow that I love. "Too much to take, I can't fucking stand it" & "I think I'm gonna break down" are my favorite parts. I can only love screaming when it's done to emphasize clean singing &/or the melody.

11. sTraNgeRs - 8/10

All I'll say is...I prefer this version to the acoustic & my favorite part is "take us back to yesterday" (that whole thing before the last chorus).

12. R.i.p. (duskCOre Remix) - 9/10

This is the first new song that I actually like. I love the "club" songs that BMTH makes, where they sound happy but the lyrics are metal as hell. The "make me the villain if you want" *side-eyes The Darkling* I feel like that man has heard a BMTH song.

13. AmEN (ft. Lil Uzi Vert & Daryl Palumbo) - 10/10

I'm not familiar w/Daryl Palumbo, so I'm not sure what part he sings/screams, but I love this song. It's almost like a dramatic monologue, in the way that I can imagine someone doing all these over-the-top gestures as they sing each part of the song (maybe using puppets). I know I'm mouthing the words every time the song comes on (even though I still don't know the screamed part at the beginning, lol).

14. [ost] p.u.s.s.-e

Very interested to see what the acronym stands for (if it stands for anything)...welp, the Genius annotation says it's about a drug created by the fictional Church of Genxsis to "suppress people who will not obey their will" o-o don't fuck w/cults, kids.

15. DiE4u - 10/10

o-o just releasing how long it's been since this was released. This is bringing up angsty memories...anyway, I love the music video for this (Oli's a Real Vampire Agenda) & I love the pacing of the song. IDK why the "lemme see my halo" part sounds so good.

16. DIg It - 7/10

Fuck, I think this might be Eve talking...*scans some of the lyrics* OK the song's actually alright. Just don't look up the song on Genius unless you want some meta-AI-related stuff. I can tell this isn't supposed to be a banger as much as it is a sad song. It reminds me of Oli's monologue (done while high) on Music to Listen to...("Underground Big", I think?) & it could definitely be used on a soundtrack IMHO. I'd love to hear Oli just sing something chill w/o editing.

Alright, the average of all the ratings is...

5 + 8 + 6 +6 + 10 + 7.5 + 7.5 + 8 + 9 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 10 + 7 = 111

111/14 = 7.9 out of 10

So to me, about half the songs were good. I've felt that way about albums before. I wonder how they finished the album considering that Jordan left in December & yet he's credited on the songs. I don't think this album will be given high ratings, but if it wins an award...I wonder how that'll go down. Anyway, yay for angry maid pics!

[tenpintsof-sundrop]

What’s your favorite FOB album and also just songs in general?

As a very avid Fall Out Boy fan, this question makes me vibrate.

Like I could probably rank all of the albums from my favourite to my least favourite, because imo there is nothing Fall Out Boy has put out that isn't phenomenal. I can put all of their songs on shuffle and have a good time (also, to me, their albums represent different moods).

But generally, the album that means the most to me in terms of nostalgia and one that really connects to my soul - Folie a Deux. It's the album that got me into Fall Out Boy.

And it's actually such a weird story.

My sister was like 13/14 and I was 11/12, and my sister was getting into that stage of life where she hated hanging out with me and she thought that having to drag me around to hang out with her friends wasn't cool. And I thought she was the coolest person on earth as my older sister, and I wanted to dress like her, act like her - basically, live in her shadow because imo, she was the coolest person alive. And I started listening to Hedley because I knew she liked them, and she got pissed. (And it was one of those teenager petty things, but looking back, I understand why, because she was just looking for her own identity at the time.)

And so she went into her room and got me the Folie a Deux CD and said 'here, you should listen to this. and this can be your band that only you listen to. and Hedley can be my band that only I listen to.' - and I just thought it was cool that she was giving me a music rec, but the reason she was giving me Folie a Deux was because she didn't like it lmao.

But when I listened to it - it really like wrenched open something deep inside of my soul. And after that, I sought out every single other piece of Fall Out Boy music I could ever get my hands on (including demos, including A Night Out With Your Girlfriend) - and I worshipped them, not knowing I had started listening to them during the hiatus era.

So the day they announced their comeback, I literally sobbed. And I played My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark approximately 200 times on loop and I knew all the lyrics for it within 24 hours.

Fall Out Boy has always had such a special place in my heart, and always will.

Also, generally my favourite songs: The Music or The Misery (this one gets me every fucking time), Hold Me Like A Grudge (the new album is fire, but this one is my fav off the whole album), Dear Future Self (their singles are amazing and this is such a random one, I love it), Dance Dance (it's a basic ass bitch answer but if you play this I will scream every single lyric at the top of my lungs and do Pete's weird dance from the music video), like hmm ??? what else. every single song of theirs is amazing so I have a hard time picking favourites - Bob Dylan, From Now On We're Enemies, Miss Missing You, Young Volcanoes, Where Did The Party Go. So many more!!!

Also, I will reference Fall Out Boy wherever possible in my fics. I literally love them so much. I used to have some of their lyrics painted on my walls in the most 2015 Tumblr girly way possible lmao

Anyway, thank you for asking me this. This has been my autistic serotonin spike for the day