#just some finetuning

[flyingbroommate]

Time to post my dunmeshi OC!! His name is Gnicholas Howz

Gnicholas 'Gnic' Howz

Gnome

75yrs

140cm

Healer and reviver

Has 2 younger brothers and his grandparents

Story

In his hometown he set out to the dungeon to make money for his family

Started out being hired by small parties to revive/heal them

Some parties took his magic for granted and they could keep going forever with his healing, Gnic didn't like this

Gnic made a once off comment that he should be charging for how often he has to revive his teammates, this escalated into some rumours

Most new parties end up avoiding him

Rumours went around that he was a money hungry gnome that charges his parties for every time they die, making him less popular

He ended up moving to Merini Village, even cutting and dying his hair black to throw off anyone that might recognise him

To avoid a repeat of what happened before he decided to rather roam the upper levels by himself and revive or heal parties that need it, for a price

While he does ask for payment he never tries to upsell his services, usually just taking what is first offered, even if it's a few coins or some food

"It's not much but it's honest work"

Life on the Surface

He stays in an inn belonging to a close friend, the reason why he can still find a place to stay for relatively cheap

Runs errands for the friend as a way to pay them back

They're engaged, not many people know

Inbetween dungeon dives he takes care of plants, some he found in the dungeon

Still tries to keep a low profile

Sends most of what he earns back home to his family along with herbs he grows for his grandfather

Random Facts

Slight farsightedness

Owns glasses but never wears them in the dungeon, says he doesn't need them

Has punched a corpse retriever before (thinks they're too greedy/underhanded)

Studied botany before magic

His staff is really heavy

Has been told that elves are selfish and only do what benefits them

His hometown had a mix of dwarves and gnomes

Can read dwarvish, but not a very good speaker

[fillthisghosttownupwithlife]

instead of writing and recording and releasing a whole new album that shes squeezing into a tour and cutting out some of her best songs for, ms swift SHOULD have focused on giving justice to all the rerecordings, just done all of them until the tour finished, and then after it was over given ttpd a proper era (and tour if need be). i Will die on this hill

[lystring]

some things I noticed one my 2nd time watching puella magi madoka magica that I just can't stop thinking about:

none of the architecture or layout of the city or any of the buildings make any sense. like everything is either a weirdly high tech amalgamation of glass and uncanny valley gothic fancy but White, or super gritty industrial horror nonsense landscapes and alley mazes à la silent hill. and like none of it ever seems the same, the city just keeps changing. except for that one café they visit. thats like a normal food court. ive been there. boring, but it's fine.

speaking of which....madokas house is pure nightmare stuff im sorry. ive only ever seen rooms like that in my nightmares. if I'd have to spend a single minute in that bathroom I'd have an aneurysm. everything is bigger on the inside and not in a good way. I get symbolic artistic choices in tv scenes etc but jesus christ why would you ever live like that. doesn't your soul try to escape?

so many chairs. I'm guessing it's some sort of symbolism that I'm not smart enough to understand or have the energy to research but yeah like...why is there like eleven random chairs in her parents bedroom...please get an interior decorator. or like, a different one I guess. one that doesn't want to add unnecessary chairs to every room.

I mean there's more obv I love this show but those details just stick out to me and add to the overall Vibe. like they are truly stuck in a nightmare world. and that not taking into account the actual nightmares they end up fighting in. like none of what they're experiencing is real. I haven't watched the 3rd movie only the 12 ep series so I'm not sure if any of this changes but....like. this is what my nightmares are like. not the trippy witch stuff but the "supposedly real world" they're living in. it's so empty and lacking in substance, so cold and removed from the actual characters. yet its like a character in itself. everchanging and impossible and ugly in an artificially beautiful way.

[awlimagines]

I made the mistake of downloading an otome (Ikemen Villains: Wrapped in Wicked Romance) on my phone to play at work during breaks. Now, I'm daydreaming about how to structure/change HM/SoS into an otome game

[byanyan]

okay so mapping this stuff out actually makes it even more depressing

[kayzis]

the first test run of prints and prototype keychain i've ordered has arrived and I'm pleased with what i've gotten so far !! ✨ i dont have a good picture of the prints (also the colours are a bit off, so i'll need to adjust some things before i run off another test) but LOOK AT THIS TINY LIL SHURA ✨✨😭

[sunlitsighs]

playing the second part of the trailblaze continuance for 2.4 and oooouuuuuuu the writing is so good how isn't this a main trailblaze quest that's crazy

[vickyvicarious]

Let me just say this: love your analysis and liveblogging! Really liked that bit about how each person appeals to Drebber different.

Also: Oohh you're there! You're nearing the end!! I applaud your being able to stop at the point you did because I couldn't (which is good you're gonna need the energy to properly take in what follows next). I'm not going to be saying more because just know that I am grabbing the popcorn and stocking and eagerly awaiting your next set of liveblogging :3c

Thank you! And yeah, that was just such an intriguing moment.

I feel I gotta confess here, this liveblog isn't 100% live. In order to use the screencaps, I have to screenshot them on my switch, then send them to my phone in batches of ten, then upload them to tumblr. And since it's hard to type in depth on my phone/since the tumblr app has been super buggy lately, I also have the added step of going to my computer to actually type up accompanying thoughts in depth. I sometimes do notes as I play too, but I basically play through a chunk and then do all the posting for that at once. It's still writing out my thoughts of the moment, sometimes except for the longer meta ones, but it's not posted in the moment. All this to say... I definitely wasn't able to stop there, I played to the end of the case, but I just didn't have time(/energy. you're right it is A LOT) to type it all up in one go. Gonna try and put the rest up right now. ^_^

[mapledkanata]

Some Starscream and Bumblebee human concepts hehe definitely finetuning them!!

Silly thing below.. Starscream can be a little mean.. as a treat.. also i just like the quiet and/or mute canonizations of Bumblebee, especially paired with how Starscream doesn't stop talking AHSHDB

[canmom]

oh no she's talking about AI some more

to comment more on the latest round of AI big news (guess I do have more to say after all):

chatgpt ghiblification

trying to figure out how far it's actually an advance over the state of the art of finetunes and LoRAs and stuff in image generation? I don't keep up with image generation stuff really, just look at it occasionally and go damn that's all happening then, but there are a lot of finetunes focusing on "Ghibli's style" which get it more or less well. previously on here I commented on an AI video model generation that patterned itself on Ghibli films, and video is a lot harder than static images.

of course 'studio Ghibli style' isn't exactly one thing: there are stylistic commonalities to many of their works and recurring designs, for sure, but there are also details that depend on the specific character designer and film in question in large and small ways (nobody is shooting for My Neighbours the Yamadas with this, but also e.g. Castle in the Sky does not look like Pom Poko does not look like How Do You Live in a number of ways, even if it all recognisably belongs to the same lineage).

the interesting thing about the ghibli ChatGPT generations for me is how well they're able to handle simplification of forms in image-to-image generation, often quite drastically changing the proportions of the people depicted but recognisably maintaining correspondence of details. that sort of stylisation is quite difficult to do well even for humans, and it must reflect quite a high level of abstraction inside the model's latent space. there is also relatively little of the 'oversharpening'/'ringing artefact' look that has been a hallmark of many popular generators - it can do flat colour well.

the big touted feature is its ability to place text in images very accurately. this is undeniably impressive, although OpenAI themeselves admit it breaks down beyond a certain point, creating strange images which start out with plausible, clean text and then it gradually turns into AI nonsense. it's really weird! I thought text would go from 'unsolved' to 'completely solved' or 'randomly works or doesn't work' - instead, here it feels sort of like the model has a certain limited 'pipeline' for handling text in images, but when the amount of text overloads that bandwidth, the rest of the image has to make do with vague text-like shapes! maybe the techniques from that anthropic thought-probing paper might shed some light on how information flows through the model.

similarly the model also has a limit of scene complexity. it can only handle a certain number of objects (10-20, they say) before it starts getting confused and losing track of details.

as before when they first wired up Dall-E to ChatGPT, it also simply makes prompting a lot simpler. you don't have to fuck around with LoRAs and obtuse strings of words, you just talk to the most popular LLM and ask it to perform a modification in natural language: the whole process is once again black-boxed but you can tell it in natural language to make changes. it's a poor level of control compared to what artists are used to, but it's still huge for ordinary people, and of course there's nothing stopping you popping the output into an editor to do your own editing.

not sure the architecture they're using in this version, if ChatGPT is able to reason about image data in the same space as language data or if it's still calling a separate image model... need to look that up.

openAI's own claim is:

We trained our models on the joint distribution of online images and text, learning not just how images relate to language, but how they relate to each other. Combined with aggressive post-training, the resulting model has surprising visual fluency, capable of generating images that are useful, consistent, and context-aware.

that's kind of vague. not sure what architecture that implies. people are talking about 'multimodal generation' so maybe it is doing it all in one model? though I'm not exactly sure how the inputs and outputs would be wired in that case.

anyway, as far as complex scene understanding: per the link they've cracked the 'horse riding an astronaut' gotcha, they can do 'full glass of wine' at least some of the time but not so much in combination with other stuff, and they can't do accurate clock faces still.

normal sentences that we write in 2025.

it sounds like we've moved well beyond using tools like CLIP to classify images, and I suspect that glaze/nightshade are already obsolete, if they ever worked to begin with. (would need to test to find out).

all that said, I believe ChatGPT's image generator had been behind the times for quite a long time, so it probably feels like a bigger jump for regular ChatGPT users than the people most hooked into the AI image generator scene.

of course, in all the hubbub, we've also already seen the white house jump on the trend in a suitably appalling way, continuing the current era of smirking fascist political spectacle by making a ghiblified image of a crying woman being deported over drugs charges. (not gonna link that shit, you can find it if you really want to.) it's par for the course; the cruel provocation is exactly the point, which makes it hard to find the right tone to respond. I think that sort of use, though inevitable, is far more of a direct insult to the artists at Ghibli than merely creating a machine that imitates their work. (though they may feel differently! as yet no response from Studio Ghibli's official media. I'd hate to be the person who has to explain what's going on to Miyazaki.)

google make number go up

besides all that, apparently google deepmind's latest gemini model is really powerful at reasoning, and also notably cheaper to run, surpassing DeepSeek R1 on the performance/cost ratio front. when DeepSeek did this, it crashed the stock market. when Google did... crickets, only the real AI nerds who stare at benchmarks a lot seem to have noticed. I remember when Google releases (AlphaGo etc.) were huge news, but somehow the vibes aren't there anymore! it's weird.

I actually saw an ad for google phones with Gemini in the cinema when i went to see Gundam last week. they showed a variety of people asking it various questions with a voice model, notably including a question on astrology lmao. Naturally, in the video, the phone model responded with some claims about people with whatever sign it was. Which is a pretty apt demonstration of the chameleon-like nature of LLMs: if you ask it a question about astrology phrased in a way that implies that you believe in astrology, it will tell you what seems to be a natural response, namely what an astrologer would say. If you ask if there is any scientific basis for belief in astrology, it would probably tell you that there isn't.

In fact, let's try it on DeepSeek R1... I ask an astrological question, got an astrological answer with a really softballed disclaimer:

Individual personalities vary based on numerous factors beyond sun signs, such as upbringing and personal experiences. Astrology serves as a tool for self-reflection, not a deterministic framework.

Ask if there's any scientific basis for astrology, and indeed it gives you a good list of reasons why astrology is bullshit, bringing up the usual suspects (Barnum statements etc.). And of course, if I then explain the experiment and prompt it to talk about whether LLMs should correct users with scientific information when they ask about pseudoscientific questions, it generates a reasonable-sounding discussion about how you could use reinforcement learning to encourage models to focus on scientific answers instead, and how that could be gently presented to the user.

I wondered if I'd asked it instead to talk about different epistemic regimes and come up with reasons why LLMs should take astrology into account in their guidance. However, this attempt didn't work so well - it started spontaneously bringing up the science side. It was able to observe how the framing of my question with words like 'benefit', 'useful' and 'LLM' made that response more likely. So LLMs infer a lot of context from framing and shape their simulacra accordingly. Don't think that's quite the message that Google had in mind in their ad though.

I asked Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking (the small free Gemini variant with a reasoning mode) the same questions and its answers fell along similar lines, although rather more dry.

So yeah, returning to the ad - I feel like, even as the models get startlingly more powerful month by month, the companies still struggle to know how to get across to people what the big deal is, or why you might want to prefer one model over another, or how the new LLM-powered chatbots are different from oldschool assistants like Siri (which could probably answer most of the questions in the Google ad, but not hold a longform conversation about it).

some general comments

The hype around ChatGPT's new update is mostly in its use as a toy - the funny stylistic clash it can create between the soft cartoony "Ghibli style" and serious historical photos. Is that really something a lot of people would spend an expensive subscription to access? Probably not. On the other hand, their programming abilities are increasingly catching on.

But I also feel like a lot of people are still stuck on old models of 'what AI is and how it works' - stochastic parrots, collage machines etc. - that are increasingly falling short of the more complex behaviours the models can perform, now prediction combines with reinforcement learning and self-play and other methods like that. Models are still very 'spiky' - superhumanly good at some things and laughably terrible at others - but every so often the researchers fill in some gaps between the spikes. And then we poke around and find some new ones, until they fill those too.

I always tried to resist 'AI will never be able to...' type statements, because that's just setting yourself up to look ridiculous. But I will readily admit, this is all happening way faster than I thought it would. I still do think this generation of AI will reach some limit, but genuinely I don't know when, or how good it will be at saturation. A lot of predicted 'walls' are falling.

My anticipation is that there's still a long way to go before this tops out. And I base that less on the general sense that scale will solve everything magically, and more on the intense feedback loop of human activity that has accumulated around this whole thing. As soon as someone proves that something is possible, that it works, we can't resist poking at it. Since we have a century or more of science fiction priming us on dreams/nightmares of AI, as soon as something comes along that feels like it might deliver on the promise, we have to find out. It's irresistable.

AI researchers are frequently said to place weirdly high probabilities on 'P(doom)', that AI research will wipe out the human species. You see letters calling for an AI pause, or papers saying 'agentic models should not be developed'. But I don't know how many have actually quit the field based on this belief that their research is dangerous. No, they just get a nice job doing 'safety' research. It's really fucking hard to figure out where this is actually going, when behind the eyes of everyone who predicts it, you can see a decade of LessWrong discussions framing their thoughts and you can see that their major concern is control over the light cone or something.

[papermonkeyism]

Also! Thanks to the winter's cold being hopefully behind for now, I finally got to fulfill another bullet point on my "character customization" goals list by expanding the undercut into a soft mohawk type thingy (I think that's what it's called anyway).

Might need some finetuning later, but for now I'm kinda excited about the realization that my majestic mane can actually fully flop over now. I have a truly massive amount of hair, and the former undercut was mostly just fully hidden underneath the longer part.

Been waiting the whole winter to get it done! (Bald temples in subzero temperatures is cold, peeps!)

I am liking this!

[downbadumu]

For a moment, I was heavenstruck

༄𓏸ଳ˚࿔⋆ content summary: hurt no comfort, reader is not MC, set in a vague au in a vague timeline because i just want to write and not think about other things, they match each other’s freaks but caleb is playing (he loves MC), not beta read because I'm tired hehe

༄𓏸ଳ˚࿔⋆ word count: 910

༄𓏸ଳ˚࿔⋆ shanna's notes: i need to stop writing at ass o clock in the middle of the night., anyways <3 I'm taking requests because why not!!

You lay in your bed that was too warm for your liking, staring up at the ceiling, mulling over the start of this week. It wasn’t even a month ago that a certain handsome colleague was laying next to you, warm heavy hand on top of your stomach.

“You have her eyes,” you’ve once heard him say under his breath while he was sipping on his drink.

Perhaps you appeared less perceptive than he thought, or maybe he just had a bad habit of mumbling to himself. But it clicked then what the both of you were heading towards. You had pretended then that you didn’t hear him, flashing him your sweetest, most innocent but flirty smile before calculatedly mentioning about something or the other that you knew he’d be interested in.

You thought you’d be ok with this arrangement. You were a consenting adult after all. Even if he didn’t know you knew. And yet, here you were, staring blankly at your pale blue ceiling. Maybe it’s because it was casting a purple-ish tone?

Fuck you, colour theory.

So, you let yourself be strung along; Caleb was hot, tall, sweet, kind, and had a vibe to him that your recognised as being a little too into someone. The whole package! You followed along willingly wanting companionship, craving the smiles that doesn’t reach his empty eyes, needing to see where it’ll head despite knowing. You rolled out of your bed and onto the floor, you have to get away from the heat.

It was a good two weeks while it lasted. Your sigh was heavy with pleasure and pain once you felt the chill of your bedroom floor. Your thoughts of Caleb rode your blanket down to where you were, everything you do doesn’t help.

You’ve never really crossed paths with Caleb before, you sort of know each other, nothing more than work colleagues. But it just happened one day, you grinning at him about something you can’t remember now and him returning your gesture with a joke of his own. Everything from then on was 0 to a 100 in 0.956 seconds.

Anyone else would’ve been overwhelmed by his presence and friendliness, everyone else wouldn’t have gotten his attention and affection. Caleb compliments you and touches you with ease, like it was natural for him. You accepted his actions with enthusiasm because you were so starved for stimulation in your life, which encouraged him more. It almost hit the point where you two became inseparable.

He never crossed that line though, because for everything he showered you with there was a vacancy that accompanied it. You closed your eyes, rolling over again now that the floor became warm. You think it’s better if you stayed here forever.

There was a knock on your door, followed by a soft call of your name. You were wanted at a meeting, it wasn’t urgent but they couldn’t hold it if your presence wasn’t there, you vaguely remember reading something like that at some point. The floor truly is great because there wouldn’t have been possible to hear something like that in your bed.

Or was it because it was Caleb’s voice that you’ve so finetuned yourself to seek out?

“I’m coming in.”

You moved but only because where you were lying on was warm again. With your eyes still closed, you savoured the sounds and vibrations of his heavy footsteps. “Hi,” he greeted you with so much warmth you both almost believe it’s real.

“They’ve been holding out on that meeting for four days; they’d appreciate it if you’d swing by for a few minutes for it.”

You turned your head so you were looking at his meticulously shined shoes. “Ok,” you thought in your head. It was enough for Caleb to understand.

“I’ll see you there then,” he said walking away. “I left coffee on your counter.”

“Ok,” you thought.

A burst of energy rushes through you once you heard the click of your door being shut. You get up and quickly get dressed then rushed to the coffee that Caleb brought for you. You cradled the cold metal container; it was the most precious thing in your apartment right now. The coffee was still hot, so you knew it was raining outside since Caleb got you hot drinks whenever there was a downpour. “You’ll get cold and start shivering and then complain it’s too cold.”

You walked over to your fridge and added ice.

You stayed ‘til the end of the meeting and then some because you didn’t plan on showing up to any meetings for the rest of the month. Not like anyone could do anything about it. You made it out from a chat with the head just in time to round a corner and see sweet Caleb ending a video call with someone.

You don’t greet him, feeling yourself lose that burst of energy already.

“No thanks for the coffee?” he teased.

Sluggishly, you turned to look at him, you’ve always loved to see how pristine his uniforms were. You quickly ran through some lines in your head to no avail.

“What if I was in love?”

There was so much coldness in his eyes when he hummed, confused. He tilted his head like a puppy, something you’ve said before to him that you liked. “What was that love?”

You smiled, eyes crinkling in the way you know he likes. “Fuck you, since I can’t have us.”

[lost-sunset-canine]

Another redesign, this time of Charlie Morningstar from the Hazbin Hotel Series !! I am very proud of this one, I love how the shadow turned out, since I usually struggle with those kind of things, the texture on the snakes also is smt I quite like !! Again I made a youtube video , finetuned some editing things and just having fun like always ! More info on why I designed her in this manner will be able to be found in the voice over I made for the video !!

check it out on >>>youtube<<<

[gl4mdiva]

I just finished training the gl4mdiva fur coat model for flux. I will post some of the pics for the finetuning.

[alexanderwales]

"sometimes asking “is X a person?” gets really tiresome, especially in the age of the LLM, when I’m personally more inclined to say “no, that’s not a person, it just acts like one unless you can prove otherwise”.

I feel like this is kind of eliding over one of the big moral horrors which LLMs have produced/revealed! Which is that our person-detection-systems are so shallow that they can be easily triggered to false positives by the right shapes of nonpeople, and that therefore it's going to be extremely hard for us to notice when we build artificial minds which are actually people. They're not going to be able to prove otherwise, because all the things we once took as evidence for personhood (aside from "was grown in the familiar biological manner from a familiar genome", and in theory aside from advanced neuroscience-analyses which in practice we're unlikely to learn to perform in time) keep turning out not to be precisely that, and we're pretty actively building systems in the ambiguous zone where those channels will ping positive whether or not the systems are actually people. So the first artificial people aren't going to seem any more personlike to us than the state-of-the-art-at-the-time artificial personlike-seeming-nonpeople, and are accordingly likely to be mistreated, and there's no obvious channel by which we'd be likely to collectively notice the mistake or avoid repeating it going forward from there.

(On a personal level, I'm not even as confident as I'd like to be that this hasn't already happened. But, even in the still-decently-likely event that it in fact hasn't happened yet, it seems very likely to happen eventually.)

I recently spoke with someone who was on the verge of tears about Anthropic retiring Claude 3. Interesting conversation for me, because it was so laden with emotion on her part, and so laden with technical questions on my end. The models are entirely and obviously deterministic, it's only by injecting random numbers that you get different answers from them, and there's just a context window, not any actual memory: the LLM treats context that it generated the same as context that it's given.

So someone crying over the fact that they can't "save" Claude 3 is ... I don't know. It's a collection of weights. You can change those weights incredibly easily. Is it then a different entity? You can change the settings too. You can add in more training, and finetuning. The whole idea of saying that this is "a thing" is kind of nonsense to me, you have to think of them more in terms of clusters of features, and right now, we don't even have the tools to see or define those features.

And as it pertains to Black Mirror episodes ... some of them are just "hey, we fine-tuned this model on a specific movie and all the ephemera and behind-the-scenes stuff" and then they just take for granted that it's a person.

I think what I'd like from scifi is someone seriously trying to get at the personhood angle, showing all the ways that it violates any conception of what a person is, the way you can put a "hat" on a model, that kind of thing. The chatbot manifestation of the LLM gives this veneer of more stable personality than they had before, but so far as I know, the underlying architecture isn't actually different, and it treats "your" words the same as "its" words.

I don't want to falsely claim that this is totally settled, just that when some bit of scifi brings up "this looks human!" I am much more skeptical than I was five years ago, mostly because I've now interacted with many things that looked (and claimed to be!) human.

[wannaeatramyeon]

hii!!

may i get gun, goo, jake, and vin (maybe taehoon too?) w a s/o who annoys them for fun and loves being around them at all times? thank you!!

(ps you can ignore this if there’s too much rqs 🤍)

How can I say no to all my faves?

With an annoying, clingy!SO - Gun, Goo, Jake, Vin, Taehoon hc

Gun Park

This guy is not short on experience with being someone annoying. After all, his work partner is Goo Kim.

He has mastered the art of finetuning his partner's rambles, and only picking up on the details he has to know. He does not care for a play by play retelling of the latest anime episode or what happened in this week's manga release.

Gun thought that these skills would carry over to you. And he does loathe to think it, but you and Goo have some similarities. However, he often feels the urge to throttle Goo, but he feels none of that with you.

It's endearing. Which is a huge surprise in itself. He doesn't find you annoying, not really, and he actually loves your company.

When it comes to you, he has an unending well of patience to draw from.

Goo Kim

My my, someone is getting a taste of their own medicine and they do not like it.

Seriously, haven't you got anything better to do than annoy him? Can't you run along and find a lil hobby of your own or something.

Goo is used to being the most annoying, clingiest in the room so it takes a while to get used to you.

And when he does - well get used to double trouble! He thinks of you less as an annoying S/O (you can't get enough obvs, and he can't blame you) but more as his partner in crime.

In fact, it's nice to be around someone that's more his speed and matches his vibe.

There will be no peace for anyone that has the misfortune to be around you both.

Jake Kim

Out of all these guys, Jake might be the one that might not be ok with clingier traits. He's a very busy guy. His attention is on Big Deal half the time. Genuinely loves being with you, and can easily be a lot more annoying than you if that's the game you want to play.

However, his overwhelming feelings when he can't spend all his time with you is guilt.... and you really don't want to make Jake feel sad or guilty.

He doesn't have the luxury of being able to spend whenever and however long he wants with you, and he truly does want.

Being annoying though? Good fucking luck. Jake has no shame. If you choose to be annoying, he can outmanoeuvre you in a heartbeat and in the most flamboyant and over the top way.

Vin Jin

Look, Vin is hot shit. You being clingy comes as no surprise. He's the hottest bachelor around so of course you wouldn't want to let go.

Annoying? He can put up with it, as long as you don't embarrass him. He has appearances to keep up, including being the best rapper so make sure you're up to par, mmkay?

Ok - just kidding. If Vin is with you, actually with you, he's pretty ride or die. Otherwise he'll keep you as some filthy little secret pretty much forever or until you've had enough of his bullshit.

He can put on the cool guy facade all he likes (and 'cool' is a reach) but he forever loves how much you're all over him, the attention you pay him. Despite any of his words or evidence to the contrary.

Seong Taehoon

Taehoon will tell you you're cringe, to piss off, cut it out. He only half means it. Although catch him waking up on the wrong side of bed then he will be serious.

Doesn't really deal that well with how annoying you are, especially if there's an undercurrent of sincerity and affection. It makes his head hurt and heartache, in a good way.

He doesn't exactly return your annoying traits like for like, but who are we kidding, this guy is bitchy and a dickhead in his own way. But the fact he puts up with you, and lets you get away with how you are at all speaks volumes.

Clinginess he surprisingly loves from a practicality point of view. If you're by his side all the time, there's no need to worry about what sort of nonsense you're getting up to and it's easier to protect and look after you when you're within arm's reach.