asks pt 2
And Vee said there was no magic left in the cards, so that was all-natural Goth Kid Power <3
(also as a fellow Alice, hi~!)
YO I LOVE THAT. We didn’t meet Masha til after we saw the books so it didn’t occur to me, oh that’s lovely. Supporting BOTH her daughters and their friends!!!
IT STRESSED ME OUT SO BAD I KEPT THINKING THE PORTAL WAS GONNA CLOSE
Oh I’m so glad to hear it! Not surprised, but glad~
THE SIBLINGS.
God, there’s so much there. There’s so much. The Wittebanes, brothers by blood who started out close, presumably started out good and kind people given that Masha said they picked up witch hunting to fit in, being torn apart from each other as Philip doubled down and Caleb came to his senses; the Nocedas, didn’t meet til they were teenagers, started out on opposite moral sides, bumping into each other and clashing despite almost immediately caring about each other, as weird as that felt to them both, coming together as Hunter learns the truth and Luz takes him in with open arms. Ghhhhhh
That’s an interesting thought! For personal reasons, I’m pretty tired of “long hair is trauma, cutting it off is freedom” stuff, so I’m not really into the thought of it growing with her transformations and her cutting it off being to get away from that... but my current theory is that she cut her hair in grief after Raine broke up with her. Kind of a FUCK IT NEW ME I’M GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS I’M GOING TO BE FUCKING FINE thing
Yes!!! I want the parent squad real bad. I also like the idea of Perry and the Parks (lol that sounds like a band name) sitting Darius and Alador down like “it’s time for How To Be a Dad 101. Yes we know you’ve had children for 17 years, Al, but you haven’t been a dad before.”
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The definitive guide to the canon Homestuck aspect quiz
Thank you to virtuNat, theSardonyx, Khauvinkh and tpr from Homestuck + Hiveswap discord server for working with me (@kreuz-unlimited) on this! Together, we’ve found the system that’s correct for sure (and has been tested against tens of thousands of cases). Here it is!
Note: Check out Katanahime’s post, who accomplishes the same thing with slightly different math (like not using negative scores and adding points to the opposite aspect)
Every question is assigned to a pair of opposite/complementary aspects. Those are put in pairs and are as follows:
1-2: Breath/Blood
3-4: Light/Void
5-6: Time/Space
7-8: Heart/Mind
9-10: Hope/Rage
11-12: Life/Doom
Each aspect is connected to two other aspects. Aspects being connected can be determined by checking the canon aspect wheel shown here:
If the aspects are touching, they are connected. Aspects directly across from each other are opposites/complementary.
For every question you can pick one answer, labeled from A to E, where A and E are answers that favor one of the opposite/complementary aspects extremely, D and B favor one aspect moderately, and C doesn't favor either (So for example, in the first question, A and B favor Breath, while D and E favor Blood).
Extreme answers give 8 points to one of the aspects, moderate answers give it 4 points. Half of that value (so 4 for extreme and 2 for moderate) is also given to the two aspects that are connected to the aspect that was favored.
Answering neutrally (answer C) will deduct 1 point from both of the opposite/complementary aspects, add 1 point to aspects connected to them (four aspects total), and add 3 points to all other aspects.
Sum up points from all questions.
If there are no ties for the first place, the aspect with the highest number of points is the winner.
If some aspects are tied:
First, check aspects in pairs in the following order:
Time, Space, Heart, Mind, Hope, Rage, Light, Void, Breath, Blood, Life, Doom
The first aspect you find that is tied for the first place and its opposite/complementary is not, is the winner.
If all first place contenders are also tied with their opposites/complementaries, go through the list in the same order again, this time picking the first first-place contender you'll get.
You can download a Python program that works just like the online quiz here:
https://github.com/virtuNat/aspect-solver
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I think this will be about my final analysis on this test, unless I get a ton of new responses.
tl;dr When comparing quizzes to each other, the most accurate aspect test is the Extended Zodiac (by quite a wide margin) and the most accurate class test is either Page of Hopes (except fan classes) or inaniloquacity.
Class Quiz Accuracy
In the time since I made these observations about quiz accuracy, the trends have pretty much solidified.
Page of Hope's Enneagram-based class test is more accurate by a wide margin... as long as you don't get one of the six fan classes, which unfortunately excludes about 1/3 of the population.
Second up is inaniloquacity's MBTI-based class test, but that doesn't seem to mean much - less than 1/2 of inaniloquacity's quiz-takers got a class that they felt was accurate or close to accurate.
homestuckexamination's Mythological Class Test was pretty good at finding results that were close to accurate, but also had the fewest number of exactly correct results.
Aspect Quiz Accuracy
The Extended Zodiac won in aspect accuracy by a landslide, and I wish I asked more questions to find out why. @desireddefenestration's survey helps a bit - it found that about 27% of their survey-takers let the result of the EZ quiz choose their classpect. That's pretty high! So these results are likely skewed because the EZ may be the cause of someone's classpect, rather than its quiz result being a mere effect of that person's classpect and quiz responses. From the same survey, only 15% chose a classpect based on other fan quizzes. Split that up among all the fan quizzes over the last ten years and it's obvious that the EZ has the advantage.
Not only was the EZ the most accurate, it was also the least incorrect of all the quizzes and didn't receive a single "HAHA what the FUCK??" response. Are fans reluctant to disregard the canon Homestuck/Hiveswap quiz created by Andrew Hussie himself? Or did the most diehard EZ-haters see that the EZ was a required question of this survey and refuse to take it at all? The world may never know.
Other results were not so impressive.
Inaniloquacity took second place again, and was again not very close to the front-runner but still better than the other quizzes.
Page of Hopes surprisingly didn't do well at all. It only tied with RLabs when the 4 fan aspect results were excluded, while the vanilla PoH ended at the bottom or within 0.5% of the bottom in every category. I haven't calculated margin of error or any of the real statistical, uh, statistics, but I'm fairly certain that 0.5% is not a significant difference.
Quiz Recommendations
This question allowed survey-takers to choose multiple answers and/or write in their own responses.
The Extended Zodiac was the most-recommended quiz and the only one recommended by more than half of all quiz-takers, followed by the Mythological Class Test and Page of Hope's test.
Inaniloquacity looks pretty bad in this graph, but that's because a lot of survey-takers skipped that test. Of the 37 people who did take the test, 11 (about 30%) recommended it, putting inaniloquacity's test just behind PoH. (You may notice a slight discrepancy between these numbers and the ones shown in the bar graph above. 2 people didn't take inaniloquacity's test but recommended it anyways. I checked.)
(To clarify, inaniloquacity was taken by 37 survey-takers (54% of all responses), PoH by 56 (82%), Myth by 60, RLabs by 64, and Zules by 65. So it's possible that PoH and Myth should have slightly higher percentages, but they're already on the high side, and RLabs and Zules wouldn't change much at all.)*
RLabs and Zules are the least-recommended tests, in that order.
The unweighted Extended Zodiac was suggested by one of the write-in responses.
The last 6 write-in responses (10% of total responses) are variations on "take the quizzes but ignore the results, do your own classpect research instead."
* Note: The numbers in this bullet point are missing one most recent response, since I didn’t feel like going back and calculating them again.
(Aside: Extended Zodiac Weighting)
I wanted to see how accurate the EZ is and how the weighting might affect that. The EZ weighting, in order, is: Time, Space, Heart, Mind, Hope, Rage, Light, Void, Breath, Blood, Life, and Doom. For example, if you tied between Space and Breath, the quiz would give you Space and you'd never even know that Breath was another possibility.
55% of survey-takers got the same aspect that they entered as their own classpect at the beginning of the quiz.
22% may have gotten caught by the weighting - for example, a respondent who put Breath as their aspect but was given Space. But there's no way for me to tell how many points towards Breath that person actually got, so I can't be sure it was the weighting's fault.
15% were passed over for their aspect - for example, a Space player who receives a Breath result. Space is weighted higher than Breath, so we can know for sure that the quiz-taker did NOT get a plurality of their points in Space. But there's no way for me to tell how many Space points that quiz-taker did get, or how close it was compared to Breath.
8% got the "wrong" aspect - either caught or slipped by the weighting - but said that they had seriously considered (or were seriously considering) that aspect, so it's not exactly a wrong result?
So the weighting system affects a maximum of 22% of quiz-takers.
Ultimately there were not enough respondents for any single aspect to identify significant trends by aspect.
Every Light player and almost every Time player were correctly identified. If you didn't receive Light or Time on the EZ, your aspect probably isn't Light or Time.
Light was incredibly overassigned, given to all 8 Light players as well as 8 non-Light players.
The EZ is shit at identifying Mind players. Only 1 out of 6 Mind players actually got Mind on the EZ. Meanwhile, the EZ also assigned Mind to 3 non-Mind players.
Void was only assigned to actual Void players, so I guess that's good? No one mistakenly received a Void result. Most Void players received a non-Void result, though. ...Also, the EZ only gave Void twice, so I'm sure it would wrongly give Void more often with more results.
Most Breath players got Breath. Huzzah.
The EZ did not often give a Blood result correctly. Only one Blood player got Blood. Another was a Blood player who had been seriously considering Mind anyway.
The EZ identified most of the Life players, but also gave Life to several others: 2 Hearts, Void, and Blood.
No one got a Doom result from the EZ. The Prince of Doom got closest with Life, though.
Conclusion
When comparing quizzes to each other, the most accurate aspect test is the Extended Zodiac and the most accurate class test is either Page of Hopes (without fan aspects) or inaniloquacity.
But looking at the numbers by themselves, you only have a 30% chance for the best quizzes to find your class/aspect correctly, or 60% chance for a quiz to find a class/aspect that is correct or that you've at least seriously considered. Meanwhile, about 10-20% of results you get from quizzes are just going to be dead wrong.
Personally, if you're still looking for your classpect, I'd definitely recommend the Extended Zodiac. It's only a few questions long (about 16 total? I don't remember how many questions there are for lunar sway) and it's a nice user-friendly presentation that will immediately give you your results and a description, and a sign, and a title. That's a bargain.
If you're willing to go more in-depth, I'd suggest checking out the scoring behind the Extended Zodiac and seeing what some of your top aspect choices were. This isn't just the unweighted EZ, which will give you your highest aspect score even if it only beats out another by 0.25 points. I mean actually count up the scoring that @katanahime discovered.
(I’ve just finished making a google form that I’m fairly certain works correctly based on their scoring. Fill out the form here and then check your results in the results spreadsheet. Like the earlier unweighted EZ form, you’ll need to highlight and drag down the colored cells on the right (columns Q through GB in this case, please do not unhide the hidden columns!). Your aspect scores will show in the blue cells.)
Page of Hopes is good for class, especially if you already know your Enneagram type and don't even need to take the quiz. Inaniloquacity is mediocre for class and aspect.
The others... well, you may as well take them for fun, I guess? They're short, and sometimes they're right.
Thank you to everyone who took the survey! I enjoyed it and I hope you did too.
Survey is here, although I won’t be doing more analyses unless the trends drastically change from what I’ve found in this post.
Summary of responses is here.
Detailed spreadsheet is here.
Most unexpected result of survey: memorizing the spelling of “inaniloquacity”.
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