#larry babygate

[larrywerelastseeninthesameroom]

How long has it been since Louis and Harry were last seen in the same room at the same time?

It has been ZERO (0) days.

[srldesigns6277]

This mention of Larry and The Child were perfectly sent up and timed. He had both blocked in all other interviews. He just basically said it is what it is, his trademark quote and just left it at that with a slight mention of the child as his reason to be straight. The interview came out now too, after he finished the rest of his interviews and after he left the continent. No one else could ask him and no one else will since he's not in Latam anymore.

[landhinlove]

I’m late but

Lottie saying her mom never got to meet her first grandson is WILD

[skepticalarrie]

Do you feel that majority of Louis’ fans believe that he is the dad?

I see mixed opinions, some think we, larries, are minority, some think ppl who believe the narrative just have louder voices. What I noticed on instagram that most of larrie accounts avoid this topic cause of the hate they get, and since Louis made larrie denials and praised his son, ppl who believe him they think Louis gave the green light to send hate towards larries.

And sensitive questions, do you think we larries are welcomed in this fandom by Louis (despite his larrie denials)? Does Louis need and want us to stay?

Hi, anon! Sorry, it took forever to answer this! But I wanted to address this one ask before stepping back from the topic for a while. (thank you to everyone who always sends me asks and discussions about babygate for understanding!)

IMO it’s both. I do believe the majority think Louis is Freddie’s biological father, and I also think this majority is unbelievably louder than us. You made some great points that I agree with. I think those of us who question the narrative are often 1) older fans who are more tired of the day-to-day interactions and follow-ups, and 2) somewhat silenced because of the overwhelming hate we receive. So I assume this topic is probably avoided or only discussed privately in group chats, anonymous accounts, or places like tumblr, where we can stay in our bubble more easily. That’s why the other side is so much louder. I do think there are still a lot of us who don’t believe the narrative, but it's nothing compared to when this all started. Back then, it felt like no one believed it. Over the years, Louis has done a lot to rebrand and embed the idea into fans’ minds that Freddie is his carbon copy and that he’s a devoted father. I think these are the two key pillars that make people not only believe he’s Freddie’s father but also become deeply attached to their relationship, especially since it’s been so publicly shared.

They went from something super shady and avoided to placing it front and center, making the father-son dynamic likeable and even endearing to A LOT of fans. That’s why I think the majority now believe it… honestly, being a father has become a huge part of Louis’ persona, and it’s something his fans love. If you look at comments and stuff like that, people are obsessed with him and Freddie, especially after the documentary. It’s crazy how it changed.

As for your second question, ugh… I’m honestly not sure. I do go back and forth on it a lot. It feels very hypocritical of him to act like he doesn’t want us here after all the fan service and encouragement he gave us regarding babygate and larry discussions. Especially since a huge part of his fanbase seems to be accepting very accepting of larry. It feels like a betrayal every time he encourages the hate toward us, an awful look on him.

[larrylimericks]

23Mar23

We’re feeling some internal friction At silver screen Louis’ depiction; All the world is a stage But it’s hard to engage When plot lines combine fact and fiction.

I get really rambly below the fold. Proceed with caution if you’re over the discourse already.

I debated seeing All of Those Voices in theaters. I didn’t see either of Harry’s films in theaters — Harries are too much of a wildcard, and I refused to sit through hours of squeals and gasps and reactions, not to the movie but to “omg! Harry’s going down on someone! omg, Harry’s bum!” So I was already tentative about seeing Louis’ film in a shared space, outside the protective silos of tumblr. But I bought a ticket, because I want to support him and because I was genuinely curious what story would be told. Then we got the trailer and I hesitated again, not wanting to watch a propaganda film. But, I’ve lived through all the other Bullshit moments, so I figured I could live through Bullshit on the big screen.

My theater crowd was great — pretty neutral aside from an amusing row of politely excitable Larries I was in secret solidarity with. And I pretty much loved the film. Well, 92% of it. I look forward to watching it again when it streams. I mean, it was an hour and a half of content featuring this fascinating creature we’re all obsessed with. I didn’t want to blink. I hung on his every word (when I could understand them). How cool to get, essentially, a long-form interview, where he’s not promoting an album and we’re not getting the same sound bytes. Louis is wonderfully open and vulnerable, and the story of his life (heh) is inherently compelling. The cinematography is beautiful. The behind-the-scenes are delightful and delicious. I can’t wait for the AOTV gif sets once we have it in high-def.

But it has some plot holes as wide and deep as the ones in Don’t Worry Darling.

First, there’s the confusing (to the uninformed) absence of a love interest. Louis is asexual, as far as the film goes. There’s not even a ghost of Eleanor, with whom he’s cumulatively spent a decade and who is supposed to have inspired so many great love songs and with whom he is supposed to have survived a pandemic. Props to E for living her best life now: going to see Scream on AOTV opening day, enjoying full custody of the pups, publicly supporting her assumed partner — sorry you got Kiki Layned from the film, but I’m guessing you weren’t even written into the script. (It’s not like the film was conveniently re-edited in the months since their break-up. Her stunt tapering was intentional.)

Then there’s the glaring absence of a baby mama (thank god; that family would have been even more insufferable). We’re cruising along for 45 minutes or so and then, wham, Dad!Louis enters the chat with a fully formed 6-year-old child. The kid just magically appears with no backstory — just like in real life ... twice (the first time with the pregnancy announcement and the second time with the revival of Dad!Louis after several years of dormancy, right in time for documentary filming. Just like Harry stunted with his co-star during filming and production, Louis stunted with his.)

The kid is cute, and faultless in this. The scenes are objectively sweet (as they were designed to be). But Louis, who normally keeps things very close to the vest, is all of a sudden an emotional spigot you can’t turn off when it comes to these scenes. It seems quite out of character. Which brings back to mind that this Louis *is* a character. The Freddie scenes just didn’t seem to have a point in the plot other than: Louis is a dad. And that role isn’t integral to the film’s story.

He’s incredibly emotional with Freddie, but the movie doesn’t tell us why. The storytelling gets lazy here. The lad/dad plot seems wedged in. The movie would be perfectly complete without it. I felt like it could have been integrated a few different ways: Louis experienced tragedy after tragedy after tragedy — loses 1D, loses his mum, loses his sister ... and then impending fatherhood either becomes another trial he must reluctantly face (in the surprise pregnancy narrative) or it helps him navigate the grief of losing his sole parent, his closest confidante. OR, Louis, not wanting to be like the absentee father he had, shows up for his own oopsie baby despite the unexpected circumstances. But there’s no exposition or rising action. No footage or photos from the first few years of the kid’s life that we haven’t already seen. Just an immaculate conception.

I think the most compelling narratives of the film are these:

Louis’ overcoming adversity after adversity after adversity. Holy hell. I lived through 1D ending, through the devastating news about Jay (god, I remember the shock and sadness of that day — it was incomprehensible), through the heartbreaking news about Fizzy, and then when you think Louis is gonna get his moment of victory with his first solo world tour, coronavirus pulls the rug out. (That sequence was well done: where we keep seeing the dates get closer and closer to March 2020, and we all know the villain that’s coming, but it’s still such a blow.) I lived through all that in real time, but seeing it in such a concentrated sequence really highlights the shit he’s been dealt, and hearing him open up about so much of it ... that’s the character development relevant to the film’s denouement. And getting to see Louis get what he deserves, finally, and hearing him acknowledge that he deserves it, was a lovely ending.

Louis’ journey to find his footing and his confidence as a solo artist after unfathomable success as part of a group. But, in a sort of plot twist, he’s not really solo, is he? The film gives a lovely introduction to his band now — and in their own words, reveals that they’re not just a backing band, they’re a *band* band. Louis has let them in. He’s forged a new brotherhood. *That*, for me, was the heartwarming story. I loved those scenes, loved seeing Louis in his element, which is in a collective, where he is both king and jester at the same time. (Or perhaps Oli’s the jester. Thank fuck for him, man. Oli is the standout. The breakthrough performance. The comic relief. I want a spinoff series.) It’s easy to miss 1D and glorify those short years and think nothing will ever top it, but Charlie’s storytelling of the LT Band is remarkable. We’re left looking forward, not back.

I know Louis’ dedication to his fans and his fans’ dedication to him is a huge focus, but I don’t really enjoy watching commentaries on fandoms I’m a part of. I’m living it. I don’t need outsider context. And in a fandom as fractured as Louis’ (and 1D’s) there’s not a universal experience. The film depicts dedication as sleeping on streets for rail, hopping from country to country and draining bank accounts — because that’s the kind of “superfandom” that gets easily turned into a marketable freak show. Show me the documentary on the fans who organize the light projects, who run the fashion accounts, who curate livestream sources on show nights, who have turned giffing into an art and science, who help promote Louis in the absence of a competent marketing team, etc., etc. I also thought the interview with the American(?) girls talking about LATAM shows was shortsighted. And showing the rainbow factions but not addressing them? What a missed opportunity to talk about songs like Only the Brave becoming a queer anthem. Straight artists can have gay fans, you know.

But the film doesn’t make the kid relevant to any of those storylines. He could have been worked into the first, but wasn’t. It was like a standalone narrative, with footage from a narrow set of days. I was at both those L.A. shows. The energy was so different from night 1 to 2. And in retrospect it’s clear Louis was performing the first night so Charlie could get the right shots. More like a choreographed play than a rock concert. It makes sense now why the Clarks weren’t in the VIP box with Freddie — couldn’t have them cluttering the frame or distracting the actors. Just, everything about the Freddie scenes is heavy-handed. Make a sign for your dad! Draw his logo in the sand! Fly a kite at sunset! He’s the spitting image of Louis! (Len does all the heavy lifting.) And all the maneuvering it had to take to get all those shots from the L.A. show?! In the VIP box from behind (and from the front, and when he just happens to be mouthing along to Two Of Us), side stage watching Louis end the show, on-stage watching Louis approach Freddie after the show, on-stage catching the moment Louis gives the lad a shout-out ... Charlie had a shot list. But sure, nothing was set up, it was totally organic.

I’m still unsettled by how heavily Charlie laid it on at the first premiere press conference — *he* was the one to bring up the kid, and was weirdly emphatic that nothing was staged, nothing was forced. It had the same energy of the “It’s. Not. Real” thrown baby doll moment, only it’s Charlie insisting that It. Is. Real. Thou dost protest too much, me thinks.

And of course, the lack of interaction between Louis and Harry remains, as ever, the biggest tell. We get poignant post-1D Nouis and Lilo moments in the film, but no Larry. We’re spoon-fed these Very Emotional Moments between father and son (“love you,” “Darling,” mouth kisses), when the real story, the real emotion, the real connection is in just a few seconds of furtive glances between Harry and Louis in the backstage footage of the last 1D performance. Christ, the way Harry’s eyes bore into Louis — chin tilted down, eyes glancing up from beneath a furrowed brow, lips tight, disguising his attentiveness with a hair flip ... they mastered so many forms of silent communication. The quiet call and response, the depths of love and care and concern and protection contained in micro-expressions. Fuck, give me 90 minutes of that. Just a silent film of Louis and Harry looking at each other.

Anyway. Sorry this sounds so grumpy. I did really love most of the movie. But I haven’t made sense of why this film was made. I don’t know its purpose. Maybe the introspection forced by the pandemic lockdown is to credit for this glut of music docs (“docs”) lately. Maybe nine minutes frees him up for nine more months or nine more years. I dunno. He obviously wanted this story told in this way.

Seeing a movie requires the willing suspension of disbelief. You have to ignore critical thinking in order to enjoy the story you’re being told. You tune out your knowledge that everything is fake for the sake of being entertained. We know that Superman can’t actually fly, but we still buy tickets to the cinema. But, a documentary shouldn’t require us to employ this semi-conscious perceiving mode. Yet here we are. I’m just not sure how much more or how much longer we can suspend our disbelief to enjoy fandom.

[forzafinally]

I think that if you were a part of the 1D fandom from 2010-15 you come out of the experience either as a cynical war veteran or a cult leader. There's no in between

[tobethemselves]

Larry Timeline

December 2023

01.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

02.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

03.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

04.12.2023 Harry is MIA [Rumors of Harry in Rome, (x) (stunt mention)] / Louis is MIA

05.12.2023 Harry is MIA [Rumor of Harry in London (stunt mention)] / Louis is MIA

06.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

07.12.2023 Allegedly Harry is in Citiva, Italy (stunt mention) / Louis is MIA

08.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

09.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

10.12.2023 Harry is MIA [Rumor of Harry in Rome] / Louis is MIA

11.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

12.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

13.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

14.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

15.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

16.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis in Las Vegas (x)

17.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

18.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

19.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

20.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

21.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

22.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

23.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

24.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis seems to be in Doncaster (x)

25.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is in Doncaster (stunt mention)

26.12.2023 Harry is in London (stunt mention) / Louis is MIA

27.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

28.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

29.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is MIA

30.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is in London

31.12.2023 Harry is MIA / Louis is in Doncaster

[twopoppies]

do you think they (or harry) were never were able to come out because of the whole scandal surrounding zayn leaving and the drama with that , so they couldn’t have another scandal in the band

I don’t think we’ll ever know. My guess is that Simon lead them to think they were going to be allowed to come out, but never really intended to follow through. He possibly used the reaction to Zayn leaving as a reason to stall/change his mind.

Babygate was already in the works and some people thought it was originally intended to raise Louis’ profile and then be denied. But obviously that didn’t happen and it became pretty clear (at least IMO) that that it was used to punish Louis and hurt/control Harry.

The whole build up to coming out and then having Zayn leave, the coming out rug pulled out from under us, and then babygate and hiatus dropped on top of it was devastating to the fandom (and to HL, as well, I’m sure).

[zethhazloutay]

CW: Talk about BBgate, Larries, Antis and fandom behaviours, don’t like, don’t read.

Take care everyone, I will block any negative interaction bcs I like my mental health, if you have a different point of view and are able to share with respect I would love to talk about it as long as it’s not an attack on any demographic, read it all so the conversation adds up.

Expecting H and L to come out and be public is as bad as calling them queerbaiters.

Expecting L to confirm bbygate is as distasteful as constantly probing a non-traditional family by claiming their family dynamic is not valid.

Forcing an specific queer label on them is as gross as dying on the hill that they can’t be anything but straight.

Expecting H or L to debunk their romantic relationships stunt is as disrespectful as thinking every woman their work with is their beau/beard. Stunt work is part of their work, both parties of a stunt relationship consent to it and get something out of it, the real relationships behind the screen could be anything from workplace companionship to love.

Claiming and modelling L and H relationship status to your fantasies is as bad as projecting hetero-monogamy in them.

Being a Larry truther is as toxic as being an Anti, since these both groups tend to think their lives and carrers revolve around a fan-theory for good or bad.

Even if all the theories where real or false ( I think the most important part about this is having an open mind to any possibilities) there are tons of behaviours that are disgusting by all parts of the fandom (solos ot5, Antis, Larries, Buzzings) and it’s important to remember that is fun to be part of something but we have to remember we are not entitled to ANYTHING as their fans.

Growing up, being able to have meaningful IRL interactions, grow apart from the fandom and ‘touch some grass’ made me revisit Louis words about Larry and realise what they try to convey a communicate.

“People can believe what they want to believe even if it is bs and they are so connected to their beliefs that they won’t see other realities what I don’t like is when their beliefs transpire in invasive IRL nasty behaviours”

What this tells me is he doesn’t not give a fuck abt Larries since they are not by any means his ‘golden fan base’ or the ‘rotten fan base’ (despite what any Larry or Anti says). He cares however abt the real life consequences that have bleed from crazy ass people, because again, no matter the ‘proverbial truth’ (that he has only given by voice is ‘false but you can believe in it if you want [weird response but ok]’ ) he will never give pats in the back to people that have time and time again be the headquarters of invasive behaviours that he will never want or approve, queer or cishet, with H, E, single or with another person, proudly out or closeted. He does not address toxic behaviours in the fandom because he knows that a handful of people doesn’t represent all there is to the fan base, but we know that if he notices something he doesn’t like he will call it out.

This text it’s not for making anyone feel bad or guilty (Unless you stalk people around them or other parts of the fandom) is for anyone who might suffer of ‘Parasocial Stan Larry/Anti syndrome’ to realize that it REALLY DOESN’T MATTER we don’t need to know every single thing or defend any rich popstar of their own doings. We need to enjoy music, touch grass, hydrate, talk to our loved ones and uplift the joy in our lives and fandoms, unlearn toxic behaviours and be kind. We can all be delusional, wrong, bigots, selfish, hedonist and parasocial, but the important thing is to identify our own bluff and stop it, to understand everyone does/believe things for a reason and it’s not our place for us to berate each other but to give space for possitive things (pride flags, respect for privacy, fan fiction [most say is deranged but ff is what keeps creativity and writing alive and honestly, is not harmful at all if we all follow the etiquette] ,fan projects, friendship bracelets, cute and respectful interactions, taking care of each other, accept we all have a space in the fandom and it’s not a race of ‘the best fan’).

[daily-stylinson]

Check out this 🧵

[statementlou]

Praytell what's your Louis tattoo! If you don't mind sharing?

I love sharing! In early 2018 me and @homosociallyyours got matching ankle triangles with a little bee over top of it, which is funny now because the bee as a symbol for being a louie almost immediately stopped being a thing and now on top of that is now used to mean something else in some louie circles: but that's fine because the tattoos were conceived around the fact that both parts have multiple meanings for us both so whatever happened would be fine... and I have my tri-ankle for Louis :) But the triangle plus bee would have screamed LOUIS TOMLINSON to fans at that time if any saw it I probably wouldn't have got a smiley anyway, but it wasn't even a thing then lol. Like he had his tattoo(s) but it had not become his literally trademarked Thing like it is now, the first glimmer of that was when he used it for test merch (which never saw the light of day) and then he really brought it in for show visuals and real merch later.

[larrywerelastseeninthesameroom]

How long has it been since Harry and Louis were last seen in the same room at the same time?

Seven (7) years.

[larry-no-existe]

MASTERPOST ANTI LARRY (english)

THEORIES:

17BLACK TATTO

marriage larry

NO larry moment

NO larry moment 2

complementary tattoos

always you

BABYGATE:

timeline louis and briana

pregnant briana theories

birth certificate

LOUIS:

Louis, his family and friends about Larry

LARRIES:

larries hacking johannah

ELEANOR:

she met louis at 18

eleanor's father

VÍDEO

different angle (vía tiktok)

different angle 2 (via tiktok)

REAL VS FAKE:

real vs fake p.1

real vs fake p.2

masterpost in spanish

[policemanofprincesspark]

July 14th is a strange date.

[alarrytale]

they released a new interview from Brazil where they asked about Larry rumours and he started talking about F as his most important person in the world and he gets annoyed with Larry conspiracy theories but he can’t do anything about it cause the fans don’t want to change their minds

Annoying

Did you see L talked about F and that larries irritate him? Why is he bringing it up all the time? How it can be good for a promo? And it’s kind of getting embarrassing..

Hi, anon!

I've been busy at work all day and haven't checked tumblr or twitter until now lol.

Eh, the stunt free promo was fun while it lasted. He always end up killing the vibes. I don't understand how this is helping his case at all. He's shooting himself in the foot, because this kills excitement and engagement among his core fans and largest target group. It won't sell any tickets. This isn't working to kill any rumours either. We are all pretty non-plussed over this. Nobody believes him. I'm very eh about it.

He's gaslighting us by trying to make us feel guilty about F hurting over the rumours. Not cool. I would think F is hurting more over L being an absent father, than what strangers on the internet says about his absent father, a father who's also said he wants to spend the next 10 years touring and not actually parent his kid. Lol, this fake narrative they're going for isn't making sense.

Anyways, it's disappointing, embarrasing, futile and it won't gain him any fans, quite the opposite. 5 or 15 larry denials, it won't matter. He's still lying and larry is real.

[realpersonfacts]

I’ll be brave and say it larry stylinson tinhatting was fine