#lily orchard discourse

[confused-rat]

”—now that she’s married—“

JoshScorcher is married with KIDS and hasn’t said shit about Lily in years, but Lily still regularly tries to pin him for dating a seventeen year old who has herself stated that nothing like that ever happened.

The only person that was ever pushing them to date, from when said teen was fifteen, was Lily her fucking self, and when people called her out for being fucking weird about that, she tried to justify it by saying “nooo they were actually dating you guys, they blackmailed me to be silent for three whole years even though I said they only dated for six months and had my fans send me fanart of the pairing and defended it on my blog, noooo—“

Also, really fucking hypocritical considering Lily’s own ex-girlfriend/fiancee was barely a year older than said teen and Lily and JoshScorcher are the same exact fucking age.

[werewolf-cuddles]

Oh my god, there are people actually fucking stupid enough to believe Lily's excuse that the videos of her talking about writing Stockholm are fakes using AI voices?

Motherfucker, I was literally subscribed to Lily Orchard in 2014. Not only was the story very much online then, she literally talked about it on her blog and in her videos several times. She's scrubbed most of these from her channel now, which is why they only survive through reuploads.

I mean, for fucks sake, she literally published it under her deadname, which was still her legal name at the time.

Anyway, I'm the one who downloaded the Glass of Water video (or at least one of the people who archived it) where she said "I can't do Stockholm, I wrote that one." This was around the time she started scrubbing her channel of any mention of Stockholm, so I pre-emptively archived it.

And before her dumbass defenders try to parrot her fake ass excuse that this is obviously an AI deepfake, take note of the upload date...

I don't recall if AI voice replication was even a thing in 2018, but it certainly wasn't as advanced as it is now, and even now, it's not flawless. This was a real video from October 2014, hence the halloween theme.

Also, jumpscare warning at the end, if you decide to watch it all the way through.

[liquid-bonhomme]

"AnThOnY jUsT rEgUrGiTaTeS oThEr pEoPlEs oPiNioNs." -- Lily Orchard

[that-one-kiddo-in-the-back]

Since Lily changed her poster (again) I feel the need to tell you guys this one time I showed my sibling this and they said that it looks like something a serial killer would put in a paper to mock the police.

[thewickedlorchqueen]

Lorch fans: Your just going to ignore sai (other have gone over it and its been discussed to death. I will even link you a Lorch critic that disagrees with what Sai did)/Britt's (still need proof on that one chief) Racism?

Me: Ya'll ever going to address Taffer/Curlies?

[lillian-v-orchard]

When a fan googled Lily's name the first thing that popped up was: Is Lily Orchard a Lolcow. Lily then lies about changing her name months ago. Lily has not, the Nova Scotia records for 2024 and 2023 have no mention of her anywhere doing a change of name form like she did in 2018. She just likes to lie to people.

[rambling-crerchur]

sai and you people have already linked and posted socials of people you don't like, don't act like your on some moral high ground now just cuz the shoes on the other foot now

When? Also no one "of us people" or Sai made a list of people from someones discord, searched up all the social media linked to their accounts, added that to that list and then posted that list

[moondustgleam]

Honestly the virulent korra haters are full of red flags for me. Why do you hate an (admittedly kinda) mediocre show so much? Why do you dedicate so many hours of your finite life to a whole ass community of people who get together solely for the purpose of dunking on a fictional woman who has no negative bearing on the real world? Why are you so obsessed with atlas "perfection" that anything even slightly disappointing from the creators feels like a personal attack? (That applies to the dragon prince too) If you don't like korra just pretend it doesn't exist my guy. Don't like don't watch. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. I promise you can find happiness in something other than rewatching Lily Orchard

[liquid-bonhomme]

. . . Genuine question, not to get political, but are you anon fuckers currently living in an alternate timeline where the whole word ISN'T currently on fire? How do you have this much energy to focus on Sai?

That's kind of saying something coming from this account I feel like, lol. That I'm baffled by the amount of real-estate she's taking up in your brains.

btw i genuinely hope youre aware youre never going to be safe. if were ever in the same con together or the same event i promise you, you are not walking out of there alive. i promise above it all im not gonna let such a waste of oxygen keep reverting humanity years because she keep calling anyone she doesnt like a pedo. and before you say anything, you brought this on yourself, hatred only brings hatred, and let it be known you NEVER backed down from it, why should we?

Hey guys now I'm being physically threatened for saying "pedophilia bad". Or maybe it was "lesbians aren't attracted to men", who knows.

Anon I'm very sure you're the kind of person too scared to make a phone call to find out where your Door Dash is. I doubt you could actually square up with anyone irl.

[confused-rat]

There’s gotta be a point where you stop and realize that calling every single person you disagree with a Nazi is devaluing the word.

Comparing a shitty fandom (in your opinion) to fucking Nazis—people who murdered millions and denied people personhood because of made-up racial superiority is insane actually. Lily Orchard is fucking stupid at best, and a Holocaust denier at worst, because how can you equate the actual MISERY and DEVASTATION caused by REAL FUCKING NAZIS to Steven Universe fans criticizing a video review.

Get off your high horse Lily, you will never be victimized the way people were back then. Comparing your struggles to those of victims of the Holocaust is probably the stupidest fucking thing you’ve done this year, and it’s only February.

[werewolf-cuddles]

Just want to make one thing clear, since it's a point Lily and her defenders often use to deflect criticism and callouts.

Lily Orchard being a trans woman has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Lily is not a bad person because she is trans. She is a bad person who just happens to be trans.

If my issue with Lily was that she was transgender, then I wouldn't be referring to her with her correct name, her correct pronouns, or referring to her as a woman.

There are many reasons why Lily Orchard is a terrible person. She's a liar, a manipulator, an abuser, a plagiarist, a hypocrite, and an alleged predator.

Notice that being transgender is not on that list.

Some of Lily's critics are openly transphobic. Most of them aren't. Most of us are just rightfully critical of her behaviour and actions.

[liquid-bonhomme]

I might as well say this publicly: I've struggled with selective mutism myself because of trauma. I have a dissociative disorder, it happens. It sucks in ways I don't think people who have never experienced that can really fathom.

Yes, Lily's depiction of Iris is 100% profoundly offensive.

My older brother had to mediate communication for me sometimes when I was a kid too, similar to how Kiera does. It's fucking disturbing to me, the way Lily characterizes that kind of sibling support. It's gross. It makes me personally uncomfortable. My brother (who's only a year and a half older than me, so, impressive he was able to be this intuitive) sometimes helped bridge the gaps in my ability to communicate my needs when I was younger, but never spoke FOR ME in the overreaching way Keira speaks for Iris. I've got issues when speaking with my parents to this day. He still does help me communicate with them, and is still very good at mediating. It's a skill I never really seemed to develop.

This is 100% one of the many times Lily is telling on herself-- exactly what kind of nightmare older sister she was growing up in the dysfunctional environment she did.

Same old, same old I suppose, but.

[liquid-bonhomme]

As someone both currently on adderall, with ADHD, is also Canadian, and is a former drug addict, I'm commenting to back up everything Crim is saying here.

I'll reiterate here also what I've said in other posts:

1. I'm on a larger dose of Adderall than most people because of my specific circumstances. I do experience more significant side effects because of that, and I do get adverse effects from not taking it regularly. Partially because of thr high dose, partially because I have (what I've heard to referred to as) "chronic dependence," and/or "reward deficiency syndrome." My brain can't like, process dopamine correctly. So, to an extent, the type of ADHD meds and the amount could potentially explain some of what she's experiencing.

--> SOME.<--

2. With that said, there is a distinct difference between being "high" on uppers and taking uppers as medically prescribed to treat symptoms of a mental health issue. To me, out of pure conjecture (but as someone who abused uppers, among other substances in the past) Lily is displaying behaviors of someone HIGH on uppers. For comparison, despite the high dose I'm on, I can, will and do on my days off, take my Adderall and fall right back asleep. It DOES NOT keep me awake, get me up, make me start bouncing off the walls, etc. It just keeps me from wanting to rip my own face off out of a desperate longing for sufficient mental stimulation so I can be functional.

3. In light of recent posts, what Lily may be doing is "saving" her pills up to take "during her work days," taking multiple doses in one sitting/throughout the day. Lily may be rendering the medication in a manner that bypasses the slow-release functions and taking it in a way not medically advised. Even prescribed a smaller dose, doing any of that would cause her much more severe come downs.

The one thing I will add though, again, based on my personal experience: is that, despite being a controlled substance, I think it's more likely Lily was """"legitimately"""" prescribed Adderall. Or at the very least, it's more likely that she got ahold of a fake prescription than it is for her to have gotten ahold of the drugs THEMSELVES illegitimately.

Chronic substance abuse of shit you're not supposed to have is WAY more expensive than people think it is, and it's just way easier to abuse meds you have some kind of "legitimate" access to. It's easier to casually steal someone else's prescription (if you have access to their living space) than it is to buy it from a plug. It's easier to go doctor shopping until you find one that will give you what you're after than buy from a plug. If the circumstance presents itself, it's easier to get your hands on a bogus prescription than it is to buy from a plug. Cheaper, more accessible.

It depends on the substance-- and like, if you bring prescriptions for the magic 3, or the triforce, or the holy trinity (whatever the local street name is in your area for that popular drug cocktail-- if you know you know. If you don't I'm not telling you) all at once to the same pharmacist you're going to get dinged-- but.

Let's just say, you would be surprised what kinds of stunts you can pull game the system-- controlled substance or no. I'm not going to get more specific, sorry. You're going to have to just trust me, and all be good beans and never do any of that shit yourself--

Heed my warnings, it is not fucking worth it.

My hypothesis is currently this:

Lily "struggling to get a pharmacist to fill her prescription because of the Adderall shortage" was her struggling to find a doctor WHO WOULD give her a prescription, because she was doctor shopping. She found one and either convinced them to give her a ridiculously high dose, or she is hoarding her pills to take in big doses to get high. She may not actually have ADHD, or she may be on the wrong type for her specific needs as a person with ADHD.

She indicated several times that she was specifically looking for Adderall, and use it for "benefits" that Adderall is NOT supposed to treat.

Who knows for sure, but that my ex-druggie opinion.

Now for some good ol' Fashion Crim Fact Checking.

As you may know, Lily/CD-Call and I have many things in common. We both live in Halifax Nova Scotia, we're both trans, we're the exact same age, and, it seems, we both have ADHD that we both started getting medicated for again earlier this year. Honestly the coincidences weird me out a little but if you've been paying attention you might know some things.

This is a weird post. I can think of one of two situations. 1: the dose is too high and she's crashing. 2: glasses effect. (People that start wearing glasses tend to notice their blurry vision more now that they know what it's like to see properly.)

Never in my life would I suspect this.

For one thing no ADHD medication should do that if you're taking it properly. IE, you take your scheduled dose, and it wears off within the next few hours, and you have at least 12 hours break from the chemical being active in your body. That's how these drugs are meant to be taken. Sometimes, patients will be prescribed in such a way that they only take their medication Monday through Friday and let their bodies rest on weekends. This tends to be the case for younger people, for people worried about things like heart conditions, and other considerations. You should only do this upon instruction of a Doctor or pharmacist. And obviously, skipping a day by accident won't cause negative side effects. You'll just be your regular unmedicated self.

That being said something isn't adding up here. To my knowledge an experience, since ADHD medications are a controlled substance, there is a mandatory meeting with your pharmacist once you pick up the prescription for the first time. I was on concerta several years ago, and got re-prescribed in January. They still made me do the meeting this time even though I've been on it before. They tell you how to take it, what side effects to expect, and make safety plans to avoid an eating disorder developing or potentially developing a heart condition. Doctors and Pharmacists don't fuck around with controlled substances.

But Lily apparently didn't have that *mandatory* talk. Suspicious.

Moreover, Lily had many complaints about how hard it was to get on Adderall. Because of shortages or whatever. for me, I went in to see my doctor and got my prescription filled the next day. Suspicious.

She has also been... Shall we say, high-strung, more so than usual, since she started taking them. She's spoken at length about abusing them to lose weight.

Here is my opinion/theory. None of this is fact, I am not making any accusations. Just giving my opinion based on what I've seen.

I don't think Lily's prescription is legitimate. I think she got them from somewhere under the table, which is why it was so difficult to get them and why she is so uneducated about them. She got them from a dealer illegally.

[that-one-kiddo-in-the-back]

Holy shit

So I finally got around to watching this, and I'll be real. I do believe Lily was SA'd by her teacher, but I believe that she SA'd Courtney. I think there is a 100% possibility that the abuse that Lily went through trickled over and caused her to take it out on Courtney.

Anyone who has been abused like that especially when your not even ten years old can destroy you can make you do things you wouldn't normally do if you had a normal life.

However, that is where my sympathy for lily ends. From victim blaming to calling evidence, "nothing" did the opposite effect to get me to believe her. Lily has lied in the past, and for the most part, it was harmless as it was only about shows and works of fiction, but this was just downright disgusting and crazy. She had talked in the past about hating her brother for being transphobic, but now she loves him(?) She took Courtney's story about being SA'd and acted like it was hers.

She blamed a minor for going into an 18+ stream after the minor asked why it was 18+ Lily said come on in and see only to see Lily’s tits (newsflash 18+ doesn't completely mean porn it could be adult language or a violent games being played.) That's not the minor's fault and what Lily did goes against YouTube guide lines because YouTube is not a place to flash the screen.

Said that KP's evidence is nothing when she showed just as much as nothing.

She never addressed the fucking a dog(?!) allegation

But the main thing I wanted to get into was Courtney and Lily. Lily, you are not the Andrew to her Ashley, and honestly, it's disgusting that she drew her like that when Ashley isn't even the one who has the incest thoughts that's Andrew she calls Courtney scary for using Orchard as her last name when Orchard isn't even Lily’s to begin with that name belongs to Lizzy(her ex that she's also calling an abuser). She uses the same story word for word. It's disgusting. Lily is the lowest of the low, and I pity her for it. It's easy to tell that Lily has dug a hole for herself and can't find a way to get out of it. Honestly, I think this woman needs a break from the internet, not to mention that now it seems like she's using the "abuse" as a shield in her work so no one can just talk about her work without bringing up the allegations.

[thewickedlorchqueen]

Because Lily is a freak who love the idea of siblings sharing a bed intimately with each other, doesn't matter if they're married or not, as long as the siblings are able to be 'personal' she sees nothing wrong with sharing a bed with an sexually active couple. (Which Bleh, it's so wrong on SOOOO many different levels it's not even funny.)

I think the main issue is Lily is so insistent that yes this is a normal, loving representation of two siblings is why it creeps me out.

I don't think what you like in fiction is what you like in real life (personal example I have a yandere oc paired with my main girl oc and I love them) but Lily doesn't agree with me with this.

She likes to say this story is about a healthy, wholesome sisterly relationship but adult sibling permanently sharing a bed is the opposite of that.

Like to put it in a different perspective, a young boys best friend is his mother, she understands and protects him. Said young boy also has a super close relationship to his stepfather. In fact their the only people he talks to. Then you find out, after twenty years later the boy, who never left home, and only talks to his parents still at 25 shares a room and bed with them. Red flags, and the fact Lily ignores or doesn't see it is concerning.

And the sad thing is, as bad as the story is with the writing and other bs (doctors bad, research into ASL? who date?) it wouldn't have been creepy if she just had Iris, Keira and Laurisa just had a two bedroom apartment. Fuck Lily could have added a scene where the tow sisters use Morse code by knocking on the wall to say good night and I love you.

[confused-rat]

So we have Lily on the record:

saying slurs

telling people to kill themselves

changing her cancer story

changing the Tara Callie story

admitting she did go in her sister’s room while she slept

All within the last year or two, and people are STILL trying to defend her.

What the actual hell guys.