#lily orchard stockholm

[billiebell495]

I got this comment on my lorch video and i am pissed

See... here's the thing...

The main reason I even care about Stockholm isn't even because it has weird problematic shit in it. I personally do not ever want to read a work with the contents Stockholm has, and it makes me ill to even read some segments, let alone the whole thing. Like even for a weird and gross work, it's a lot. Like, UGHHH, I read a couple paragraphs and wanted to kill myself (not really but it was a fucking lot).

BUT, even if one takes the stance that it's totally OK for Lily to have written such a work ...

Lily was actively using the work to defend shipping a minor with an adult, openly allowed her teenage audience download it and read it (she put it on Google drive and MEGA Drive for free, and most of her audience was teenagers, particularly at that time), at least according to Courtney she may have based portions of it on her real abuse of Courtney. While she was writing it and shortly afterward, she acted like everyone else was the weird one for saying "hey, Lily, what the actual fuck". Like she literally distributed a work that's essentially child porn, and beyond that included really severe content regardless, and acted like it was "Family Guy meets Equestria Girls". And her favorite one was the Razzle Dazzle, where 38 year old Adagio kidnaps the 15 year old Sonata, and she said she wrote her as "a loving matriarch who rivals fluttershy when it comes to sincere kindness". Like... Lily what the fuck.

For me, it crosses a line when you start trying to act like the stuff you're writing isn't fucked up, and when you're writing it with an audience of TEENAGERS AND CHILDREN, and DISTRIBUTING IT OPENLY.

And also, for the record, many many characters in the work are under 18. The CMC were definitely underage, and are depicted having sex with each other and with Rainbow Dash, and Pinkie Pie and her SISTER are also depicted having sex at 14.

God this shit pisses me off. You have every right to be pissed.

Also, lest anyone say I'm making this all up, anyone wants archive links of any of this, I've got 'em.

[poppyandzena]

You hit the nail on the head with Proshippers and Lolita. Nobody’s jacking off while reading Lolita. The same cannot be said about their fanfics.

Hard disagree on Flowers in the Attic though. The books are fundamentally about the cycle of abuse. The siblings getting together is not portrayed in a positive light, and leads to the cycle of abuse continuing in their family.

While stories about overcoming abuse are important, it is also important to have stories about failing to overcome abuse.

Absolutely. I think Flowers struggles the more it tries to add more twists and drama, like the grandma coming back over and over. It's a narrative consequence of being a pulp fiction at a time where mental illness and abuse was not quite understood. I just would have preferred if the siblings didn't end up in a romantic relationship as adults. It doesn't make the series devoid of value as a whole.

I really appreciated MertKayKay's analysis of The Suicide of Rachel Foster. It draws comparisons to Lolita in how perpetrators are portrayed based on the narrative framing.

Being anti-proship isn't wanting to eliminate content that covers the taboo. If we did that, societal progress would come to a standstill. Anti-proship is questioning WHY proshippers use free speech absolutism, specifically as an excuse to make harmful forms of pornography.

I'm not going to shame the person making content about what it's like to be with an abusive partner, what it's like to survive incest or pedophilia. I shame those who hide behind the former to inject fetishistic abuse content into that community, whk use it to groom children or traumatized adults. I cannot be like "not all proshippers" when the ideology is made to protect these bad faith actors--like Lily.

[lilyorchard-exposed]

Lily Orchard wrote Stockholm

And the excuse that someone changed her writing because she had a Google Drive for 'Scars' is a total lie. If you think that she wrote an innocent story that was changed by stalkers, then explain this:

Reminder that Spike is a minor in My Little Pony. Lily Orchard is describing an adult, Rainbow Dash, doing it with a child.

Doesn't seem very innocent now, does it?

Not only did Lily Orchard write 'Stockholm' (or 'Scars' or whatever), but she explicitly wrote the horrific content within it. That was her ideas.

And here are the links to the reblog if you don't believe me. There are some extras here too. I reblogged them so you can click yourself on the lily-orchard profile and see that it is indeed her. Anonymous asked: So, exactly why did you decide to make Twilight an atrocious, unlikable character in Stockholm?

Stockholm - Fast Food

sucky-boi asked: Would you agree with the criticism that Stockholm!Ascentia is too adored by the rest of the characters and rarely ever faces criticism?

Stockholm - Tranquil Fury

sucky-boi asked: Why does it seem like people are more than eager to accuse you of being "the thing that you hate" but don't put that same criticism on the right?

sucky-boi asked: What do you think about the argument that Twilight's arc in Stockholm was pro-abuse?

sucky-boi asked: If you could change any plot element from Stockholm you were previously stuck with, what would it be?

Anonymous asked: What are your stories and what genres do they fall into?

the-last-alicorn asked: Is there any context behind that timetable?

the-last-alicorn asked: 8, 26, 40, 48. - lily-orchard answered: 8. What’s the best piece of feedback you’ve ever gotten? Somebody mentioned that the original Stockholm was...

jasuchin asked: If/when you start doing Stockholm again, what will you do with Starlight Glimmer?

the-last-alicorn asked: That's why I prefer Stockholm. For all the faults that those characters had, they were usually redeemable. Not so with Ryder. Every time he shows up, I just want someone to kill him.

the-last-alicorn asked: If Stockholm Acentia and Val'kyr Acentia met, what would they think of each other? Stockholm Short - “Wake Me Up”

I'll add more evidence the more I find.

[purpledemonlilyposting]

BREAKING LORCH UPDATE

Kaiser Shounen, one of the people in my tiny niche YouTube circle, is streaming right now and just showed proof of an old Glass of Water video from 2015 in which Lily Orchard flashes the "Razzle Dazzle" entry of Stockholm when saying she writes fanfic and original fiction.

https://archive.md/tCvQB

Reupload of Lily's video to check for yourself:

[confused-rat]

Visual Stockholm Guide + More Information

I don’t think some people really realize how absolutely absurd it is for Lily to deny writing Stockholm, the metric shit ton of receipts proving she did in-fact write it aside, because Stockholm itself is so heavily interconnected with Lily’s other stories and characters.

Stockholm was literally just an Equestria Girls AU of her Doomsday Ascending story. NintendoGal liked the chemistry between Ascentia (Lily’s OC) and Twilight Sparkle in DA and decided to post her own drabble of the two, which inevitably led to her and Lily teaming up to write an entire separate universe around the pairing—Stockholm.

(source) Of course, Lily just had to add the darker shit to the story. Like Twilight repeatedly beating and assaulting her girlfriend/wife Ascentia, or literally everything involving Rainbow Dash.

(source)

Spectrum/Spectra/Saige was also an original character from Stockholm. They were first created to be FlutterDash’s child (hence the rainbow hair); but was later reused in the later version of Scars as Ascentia/Assana’s boyfriend. 

(source)(2) Another story aspect reused from Stockholm involved Ascentia’s daughter (Sunrise) being attracted to her mother. This same detail would be used in Lily’s Scars universe, with its version of Ascentia’s daughter (Magselyn) also having an unhealthy attraction towards her mother.

She can repaint this shit all she wants, but the foundation remains the same, and it’s rotting all around her.

[that-one-kiddo-in-the-back]

Okay, look.

The last time I checked, none of them wrote child porn...

The creators of Saw said in an interview that they don't really like blood and guts, and also, they didn’t use their personal real-life experiences to make the traps.

Sure, a writer writing a story about killing people doesn't mean that person is gonna go out and kill someone.

But if that was the case for Stockholm, then it would just disappear into the waves of the internet as another shity gross pony fanfic, but that's not the case

Stockholm is a pure unfiltered child porn where the abuser is treated like a good person who simply can't help themselves.

You're not supposed to like Walter White or John Kramer.

Stockholm has the same energy of vomit slaughter dolls, A Serbian film, and fucking Splice as in those are the few movies where I think the writers are fucked up people who made pointless movies.

[fight-nights-at-freddys]

I just think its somewhat funny how Lily might avoid those two things because of a certain fanfiction thats out there

[miloyupancake]

Typical lily and mikaila interaction be like

[liquid-bonhomme]

I need to see your flowers in the attic post

We're going to be talking about Lorch's general skullduggery when it comes to the fucking creepy implications to her incest obsession. Because it's not wholly just an obsession with incest, per se.

People (including myself) make fun of her in a way that implies it's just a fetish, but I think it's more than that.

I've had to have a bit of a think about how to go about talking about this appropriately without a) speculating about shit that happened to her when she was a kid, b) armchair psychoanalyzing her and c) talking about anything too directly involving Courtney like the Peet family drama is some Geek Show to rubberneck at. I'm going to try to stick to the realm of just pointing out there's a whole lotta common themes, and try to carefully word why I believe this appeals to Lily. Trying to keep this in the bounds of tasteful analysis.

I've also heard enough about the Coffin of Andy and Leyley to conclude that I probably should familiarize myself with that, too.

So that's going to be the next write up: the common themes in Flowers in the Attic, Iris and Kiera, a little bit on Pokemadhouse and Stockholm, The Coffin of Andy and Leyley, and why I think Lily gravitates towards certain ideas in fiction.

[britts-galaxy-brain]

Joon is not a "drama youtuber". Joon is a documentarian. He presents the events as they occurred using archived evidence and first-hand accounts. His personal opinions are never stated. He's a straight-shooter.

You've either never watched his content, or this is the tactic you've landed on to desperately try to convince your audience not to watch it when it comes out.

And if that anon is real, it is completely fucking mind-blowing that you've brainwashed your fanbase so hard that they see a DOCUMENTARIAN preparing a video on you and still believe the evidence is fake. Enjoy that while it lasts, I guess.

This won't be the only video that gets made on you, Lily. This is going to get you on the fuckin map. Most youtubers don't know the depths of the abyss that is your disgusting, unhinged history. People are going to be shocked, appalled, and very curious after this.

Millions of people are about to find out everything you've done, and there's not a goddamn thing you can do to stop it this time.

[purpledemonlilyposting]

What’s this about laughing at Lily’s fanfic, the one we have reason to believe is based on what she did/wanted to do to Courtney

Laughing at bad sex scene writing.

In a scene between two adult women who are, miraculously, not related by blood.

"tangy" girl that's a uti

[spacefrog1984]

Lily Orchard recently started using the term tardigrade as an insult because she would really like to call her detractors a different word and tardigrade sort of sounds similar, I guess. This has inspired me put together a little educational aid:

And just in case you need a little more help spotting the difference, here's a higher res image:

The original tardigrade scanning electron micrograph is from Steve Gschmeissner/Science Photo Library

[confused-rat]

Thanks for the Scars collection. Lily shouldn't get to hide the evidence of her deciding to write about a little girl having a crush on her mother "for the lols" on top of the rest of the instances of incest Lily cannot HELP but to include in all of her writing. Keeping in mind too that she wrote those specific vignettes before Courtney came on the scene too...

You’re very welcome.

While looking for those vignettes, I also found proof Lily never wrote the series as a teenager, completely dismantling her “Stockholm is just Scars rewritten by angry bronies” defense.

(source, 2)

Lily created Scars in 2018. Its entire plot revolves around Magselyn and her life. Magselyn didn’t exist in 2012, because she was a fanchild someone made for Lily and Lizzy’s OCs. It’s ridiculous how she rewrites events and gets away with it because all evidence to the contrary has been scrubbed.

[that-one-kiddo-in-the-back]

The funny thing is that unlike Stockholm, Lily can't deny writing Don't Move because it was officially posted on her Tumblr.

Yeah, no kidding.

[thomasadventurestory]

Be thankful your not someone who wrote an entire MLP fanfic that disgusting beyond belief.

[meimesworld]

I know everyone should focus on the allegations of Lily orchard because ultimately that’s the most important, I’d like to raise a point and swing back to the fanfiction to ask a question to die hard Lily supporters.

No need to get into specifics, Stockholm was a story created by Lily under her dead deadname that involved abuse, pedophilia, etc etc.

What i can’t seem to fathom when there’s an argument against her lying is…why? Lily has constantly changed her story of the fanfiction multiple times.

Starting with the most well known quote of “can’t use Stockholm, I wrote that one” Lily has multiple sources where she directly acknowledges that she was part of the stories creation

The most interesting part of this, is that multiple times she has addressed the work by its name, Stockholm.

Then she went on to deny ever creating the piece in the height of the drama with Josh, where he flat out states that she wrote it, only for her in audio to say that he “could’ve pulled it from any fanfiction site” and show a censored screen shot blurring any information pointing to the exact contents of the story. While that tweet directly had been deleted, this tweet, posted on the same day he showed a screenshot of the fanfiction, proving exactly what the contents involved were.

She then some years later posted that, no, actually, it was originally called Scars, and the sex scenes were only added in because haters gonna hate man. So now it was “I didn’t write Stockholm, I wrote something else” despite, for years, only ever acknowledging it as Stockholm

All of these things are flown out the water when you remember that the @the-last-alicorn is still up and if you search her name on the blog it directly shows her account (now nuked) tied to the series.

And now, in its conclusion, both in KP’s video and in a recent stream she did, she finally admits that she did write Stockholm, addressing it by its actual name, and that it was taken out of context and, in stream, that she simply was just dumb and shouldn’t have wrote the things she did.

So my apologies, that’s actually five different stories, not 4.

This is where I have to ask supporters: at what point do you acknowledge that Lily is simply a liar? Instead of from the jump just saying “I wrote something that I don’t agree with now” as she did in her recent stream, she went on for years blaming haters, bronies, AI even when it wasn’t in public use yet. I’m pretty sure the amount of dragging she got for that alone wouldn’t have been as severe as it has been. Yeah there prolly still would ppl be weirded out by her but at least she wouldn’t be a liar. And in turn, if she can lie about something as simple as this, why in the hell is it so unbelievable that she could lie about molesting her sister, or being an abusive friend, or anything else?

Personally, I don’t even buy the idea that her tumblr just suddenly got mass reported so bad it was deleted, I genuinely think she started to realize just how much shit is housed on her account that she simply deleted it herself, but I could always just be a biased lil shit waffle constantly inclined to think the worst.