#mobius loop

[gamenburger]

ALRIGHT EVERYONE, HERE'S WHAT IM UP TO:

Thank you for finding and following me. Periodically I like to give updates to keep me accountable for what I'm working on. Here is the short list of what You will see from me in the future: MID DECEMBER: UnSanctioned RECollection (Goblin Bunker Zine Jam #3) I run a zine jam in the GOBLIN BUNKER, which I hang out in regularly. This one was about emulation and piracy (vaguely)! I am drawing the cover and finalizing the order as we speak, so expect a release for digital and all printing formats before Christmas! Find older Zine Jam entries here! https://gamenburger.itch.io/ END/BEGINNING OF the YEAR: Every year I write a long blog about every impactful media and every game I played this year. It's quite a bit, and i draw a lot of pictures for it too. Expect it this year as well on my blog, Grim In Pink | Substack SOMETIME MID JANUARY: THE RETURN OF MOBIUS LOOP Some of you may have actually followed me for sonic related reasons. THats right, i run an archie sonic read-along in the goblin bunker too with discord user rist! They're cool... and do most of the real interesting work. Issue 8 will cover EVERYTHING we've read, so it will be a great way to catch up if you want to join! you can find older issues here: https://gamenburger.itch.io/

Soon AFTER, but in no particular order:

ANALYSIS OF THE KILLER: yes. I want to revisit the game and give spoilerfic analysis- i'm not ready to let go just yet. I'll keep you all posted when i draw stuff for it.

FROM THE DESERT SAND, WE BUILT A BURGER: My current passion project... I mean to put into longform words a giant analysis on the politics of food distribution, mcdonalds, and two terrible movies I hate to my core.

A MONTHLY ARTICLE YOU CAN HAVE MAILED TO YOU? MAYBE? I may have an opportunity soon...

Plussing my old articles/ reviews as zines so i can table them? Maybe? IDK? People like that koopa kids article....

Two zines, one about BEFORE THE GREEN MOON and one about 24 KILLERS. please play those games if you havent. They are excellent.

There is an article about Sonic 2's level layouts collecting dust. I swear I will finish it.

And much later, something else...?

Thank you for sticking around everyone.

[misterlemonztenth]

04-04-24 | misterlemonztenth.tumblr.com/archive

[bttrflyblu]

Mobius Loop - Dance While You Can (Official Music Video)

[tothetopvisuals]

[stealingyourbones]

Watching Loki. I’m on episode 4 and I’m trying to see what the hype was about

[cygnaut]

Nothing will ever be funnier to me than the fact that, in Moby Dick, there's long digression and story-within-a-story set at some vague future date after Ishmael's experiences on board the Pequod, during which digression, another character asks Ishmael, the narrator of Moby Dick, what's up with this white whale called "Moby Dick" and Ishmael says "oh I can't tell you that right now, it would take too long."

[pi-slices]

Mobius Cubes - 240313

[loki-is-my-kink-awakening]

Seven Sentence Sunday

Lokius. Loom and repeated timeloops trauma for Loki.

Loki sat on the steps, face buried in his hands, exhausted. His clothes felt too tight and his eyes stung with tears. Everything he had worked so hard for had failed. It had all been for nothing. It would never work.

Beside him, Mobius sat down, putting a hand around his back. “You okay?” he asked.

Tagged by @elodiah @insomniaflarrow @thosegayoldmen

It's too late to tag anyone else, but if you see this and want to play, please do.

[jintsuki]

oh the last two episodes about to destroy me

[your-icarian-carrion]

not only did they leave it to us to decide who “for you” was aimed towards (imo both of them, in whatever way you want it to be Loki loves both of them), they ALSO gave us centuries of time loop to play in. We knew they’d never make lokius canon in full real text but they’ve given us so much space to imagine that anything could have happened during those centuries Loki spent trying to make the world better for his friends.

[posthumanwanderings]

[ Silent Möbius: Genei no Datenshi (PS1) - Neo-Tokyo (NoPlay) ]

[percheduphere]

Loki Season 2 - End Game Theories Part 2

Part 1: (read here)

Part 2:

5.) Mobius's Plotline

6.) Sylvie's Role

7.) John = Mobius?

8.) The Original Timekeepers & Time Paradoxes

He is so wounded and lost. If he can't get a hug from anybody, he'll settle for something sweet to eat.

MOBIUS'S PLOTLINE

As I mentioned in Part 1 of my theory dump, Mobius is narratively positioned to be at his lowest point. Renslayer claims he cannot make the hard decisions or the sacrifices required to do what must be done, Brad accuses Mobius of being a nobody, and Sylvie accuses Mobius for not taking the danger facing the multiple timelines seriously (more on this in Sylvie's section).

*Sidenote: I bet Mobius has a really common name like John. More on this in John = Mobius? section.

With the latest screen captures of the mid-season trailer, it's confirmed we will see Mobius in his original timeline, but we don't know HOW he gets there. I believe there are 3 possibilities:

1.) The Loom explosion immediately throws everyone back into their original timelines (with possible exception to the gods).

2.) Mobius, with the TVA falling apart, chooses to return to his original timeline, believing that he is not necessary and will only cause more harm.

3.) The TVA and its inhabitants (with exception of the gods) slowly spaghettify and Mobius bids Loki farewell.

The images below suggest #2 and/or #3, but Loki's attire gives me pause. Unless he travels backwards or forwards in time, who would put him in the jumpsuit and collar in the present? Himself via magic, to relive how they first met before a final goodbye? If it is a final goodbye, why are they not embracing like in S1? Because it's too painful?

I wish I could figure out the timing of this moment because of its impact on the story.

If it happens BEFORE Mobius returns to his original timeline, we know Loki and Sylvie will seek him out.

If if happens AFTER Mobius is returned to his original timeline, then Loki and Sylvie found Mobius, and Mobius chose not to stay.

Regardless, when Loki finds Mobius, he does not expect Mobius to have no memory of him. (Again, sigh)

Another possibility is that this Mobius is not Loki's Mobius, and that Loki's Mobius will eventually see what could have been his life as an observer. This option, however, lowers the stakes and thus seems unlikely.

Whatever the case, I think we will find that Sylvie's and Mobius's narrative positions will be reversed in the last 2 episodes. Pre-Loom explosion, Loki and Mobius needed to convince Sylvie to join them. Post-Loom explosion, Loki and Sylvie will need Mobius back.

But the cost will be exceptionally high. Mobius was right: he knew knowing his life being incredibly good will tempt him away from the TVA and all the responsibilities, violence, and stress that come with it. He will need to give up his dream job, a lovely home in the suburbs, and family. Mobius won't be the only one challenged by making this choice, the weight of it will fall on Loki's shoulder's, too, and Loki needs to articulate how much Mobius means to him because Mobius has been more vocal and active in tending to their relationship, Ep 2 not withstanding.

We know why Loki would be motivated to find him, but what would motivate Sylvie to bring Mobius back? How can she help Loki facilitate this?

SYLVIE'S ROLE

We know that Sylvie has the ability to see other people's memories through enchantment. It's possible she will either share her memories with Mobius directly or act as a conduit between Loki and Mobius. The latter makes more sense since Loki has more positive memories of Mobius at the TVA than Sylvie does. I think she will offer to do this because: 1.) She wants to protect her timeline, and 2.) Like Loki, she will come to realize Mobius means more to her than she thought.

From what we've seen of Sylvie in her 1982 McDonald's timeline, she understandably wants nothing more than to live a calm life and make friends of her own. All of this is perfectly valid, and she is deserving of a peaceful life.

Her outburst at Mobius during the pie scene strikes me as a projection of her own guilt and feelings of helplessness, which she does not yet have the tools to deal with in a healthy way. Sophia is an exceptional actress: her micro-emotions shift from guilt to anger so quickly it is almost imperceptible if you're not watching closely. Sylvie is very much Loki as he used to be: deflecting responsibility by blaming others, mocking softness as a weakness, outbursts of yelling and violence. She wants to be left alone! And yet ...

*Sidenote: I jumped out of my seat when I saw that kid's name tag: it says "John", my personal original timeline name for Mobius since forever ago.

This is a lie. Sylvie never wanted to be alone. She wanted a place to feel happy and safe.

Look at that smile. Are you kidding me? How can anyone hate her? Mobius wants pie and hot cocoa. Sylvie wants a fast food job. Both want the comfort of normalcy. So does Loki. All of them deserve happiness.

She seems to have found a degree of these things in the 1982, Broxton, Oklahoma, Branched Timeline. Someone, however, enabled her to make a living there by getting her a job at a fast food chain ...

JOHN = Mobius?

This theory is quite a reach since the timeline is a branch, but the dates map out just right. If John (Mobius?) can't drive yet in 1982, he'd be 15, which makes his birthday 1967. Assuming this story is set in 2023 and John is Mobius, that makes John/Mobius 56. Owen Wilson is 54. Pretty darn close! I mean, look at that hand-hip pose and brown/neutral color scheme, not to mention his enthusiasm for the menu. The tie suggests he's a shift manager (someone with promising leadership skills), and he has a distinct accent.

If this kid pays off as being teen!Mobius, then I don't doubt Sylvie has a certain affection for him. In the parking lot, she asks if his mom is going to pick him up and he assures her, yes, he'll be okay. He then asks if he will see her at work the next day, and she in turn assures him she will. (If someone can find a gif of this, please let me know!) What was the point of this interaction, if not to show that Sylvie is capable of making friends and showing care towards others? If John is in fact Mobius, then what irony: they will soon create the TVA and work alongside one another again!

Sylvie will likely also feel more compassion towards Mobius if she met him as a teen. She seems to have a soft spot for kids, seeing as she gave a kid a Kablooie! which allowed Mobius and Loki to find her in S1. If John isn't Mobius, then Sylvie has at least 1 person in a timeline to protect, and that will motivate her to bring Mobius back.

They will be friends. We know, based on the image below, that they're going to make amends. We know it's going to be okay. They will unite as the 3 timekeepers because it is the right and hard thing to do. Sylvie will stay and (at least until HWR is dealt with) so will Mobius.

THE ORIGINAL 3 TIMEKEEPERS AND TIME PARADOXES

I've written before in asks to @bebx and @mobius-m-mobius that I believe the story is in a timeloop, whereby killing HWR triggers a series of events which causes Loki (and possibly Sylvie) to recruit Mobius, B-15, and Casey from their respective timelines, which means their pasts. Because the TVA is destroyed by the Loom explosion, the TVA consequently needs to be created.

And I suspect the Loom, which constrains the number of branches that can exist, was put in place by HWR after the TVA was formed by the Loki and Sylvie when they went into the past to recruit the people they've already worked with.

HWR said, "See you soon" after Sylvie kills him.

Because the Loom exploded, the Loom no longer exists.

Since the Loom no longer exists, multiple timelines come to being with variants of Kang.

Loki, Mobius, and Sylvie form an alliance against Kang to protect all timelines.

To do this, Loki and Sylvie must find Mobius in his timeline, which for the purposes of the TVA, takes place in the past.

The TVA is therefore created in a past that is running along concurrent timestreams in which the TVA already exists or is in the process of being destroyed. Remember: branches run concurrently but at different points in time. Sacred Timeline Loki's timestream is ahead of L1130 Loki's timestream; LL1130 Loki is in Sacred Timeline Loki's past before he diverges.

The TVA's original purpose was to monitor for threats like HWR and combat him.

At some point, HWR and Ravonna infiltrate the TVA and wipe everyone's memory. Note that Loki suspects it's happened more than once. They likely do this on a different concurrent timestream while Loki, Mobius, and Sylvie are actively forming an alliance and combating him in another concurrent timestream. This is why the original 3 timekeepers are consistently missing. They are in the TVA's past and future at the same time but never truly in the TVA's present. HWR rules the TVA's present.

They wipe memories once (1) to make everyone forget the original timekeepers (Loki, Mobius, Sylvie) when HWR wants to be responsible for the Sacred Timeline. His image is then brought to the TVA, the Loom is installed, and pruning begins. HWR ensures that only his temporal aura can access systems when Miss Minutes overrides TVA's control.

They do it a second time (2) to make everyone forget HWR when he gets tired of his role and wants to retire via death. The 3 timelords imagery and robots are put in place to create a lore based on fact.

HWR, being a megalomanic, does not want anyone else to govern time even though he's too fed-up with it to do it himself. He will count on another HWR to do this form him.

HWR paving the road for Loki and Sylvie to find him was never about giving them the power to govern time (lies!). He needed them to facilitate a timeloop in which HWR always returns to create and control the sacred timeline in the TVA's present.

Sylvie kills him. The "end of time" takes place. The timelines branch uncontrollably. The Loom explodes. Loki, Sylvie, and Mobius build the TVA in the past.

Rinse and repeat.

The loop in itself calls into question free will.

Loki, Sylvie, and Mobius need to figure out how to break out of the loop.

This is a lot! If you made it this far, thank you so much for reading. I hope you enjoyed. Let me know what you think!

[idrilearfalas]

The next episode of Loki will either be our luck or our downfall. I see no middle ground.

If there can be a turning point for the ship, this is it.

Loki discovering that he is an integral part of Mobius' life (before and after Mobius' own Nexus event, possibly even causing it) and realizing that he has him as an absolute priority... Or a thousand other OTP-destroying options that I don't even want to begin to consider.

Just a few hours and we'll find out. I'm nervous.

[lokiusmybeloveds]

Life as a post-finale Lokius stan:

[tothetopvisuals]

Watch it in high quality 4k HDR on Youtube

[finleycannotdraw]

okay so I know the episode is going to be dominated by plot, but for the sake of time loop fic tropes, I really want to see:

- lots of branches/time slips where loki does reasonable things to fix the loom (doing things differently at the TVA in the final hours): basically guaranteed

- some branches/time slips where loki loses hope and does batshit things to fix the loom (tries to make it bigger from the very beginning, trying to recruit other powerful characters we haven’t seen, pruning himself and using some tool or character from the void at the end of time, etc): less likely

- one branch where mobius knows him, but it’s about to spaghettify before he can actually do anything, so he just kisses the life out of mobius and cries when he turns into spaghetti in his arms: not likely at all. but a man can dream