#time paradox

[decodaa]

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[karizard-ao3]

Sometimes I get secondhand embarrassment when I see people posting really passionate, in depth takes about books and movies that are horrendously mid, but then I remember that in my late 20s l lay awake one night in an absolute frenzy of rage because the events of Teen Beach Movie 2 create a time paradox that does not allow either Teen Beach Movie to exist, and I'm like, "You know what? Go ahead and have your fun."

[liznfin]

I can’t believe Artemis gets mauled by a gorilla in Time Paradox and it’s the least of his problems.

[illtrytobegood]

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[tallyhall-updates]

Ross like Zubin you also become a doctor in the future I think I dunno something about biometrics and proteins maybe

Oh! Great! I love proteins and biometrics.

STOP GIVING FUTURE SPOILERS THOUGH!!! WHAT IF KNOWING I BECOME A DOCTOR, I SOMEHOW DO NOT AND TEAR A HOLE IN THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM???

Sincerely, a now catasrophically worried Ross

[gear-project]

Long time no see, GP. I've recently started to watch the GG anime. I have a question about these 'visions'. So, Sin and Unika both shared a 'vision' of some kind. Removing Unika out of this since we don't know WHAT she is and focus on Sin, has there...ever been a case in GG where Gears can glimpse in the future? Or is this ability specifically only for people like I-No and Axl Low? I could be mistaking the visions for something else.

I already hinted at it in my summary post of Episode 2 in the GGDR tag on my blog, but to further explain it:

Remember when I-No once said that if two incredible powers slammed in to one another that there was a risk of spacetime splitting apart? It’s what I-No used to try and trap Sol Badguy in a Time Paradox against his past self (Accent Core events).

The same theoretical principle applies HERE: Sin and Unika are SO POWERFUL that when they fought it created a ripple effect within the Timestream. Being at the epicenter of the “clash” means that Sin was able to glimpse part of the same Timeline that Unika was exposed to.

While that accounts for the “reason” for the visions Sin had, it doesn’t account for the future “closed Timeline” that Unika saw.

As always the Future is never so clear cut and determined, so present events and actions have greater causal weight.

It is very possible that Unika has a connection with Axl Low, even if she herself might not be fully aware of it yet. Perhaps she even bears a connection with I-No’s counterpart in this era: Megumi Saito.

Until we know what is absolutely certain, we can only suspect what is the case based on the limited evidence presented.

One: We know Axl is in a closed timeline situation that runs counter to the current era’s events.

Two: We know Unika had these visions prior to meeting and fighting Sin.

Three: Sin was exposed to those visions, much like how I-No exposed Sol to his own “Closed Timelines” (i.e. his Death due to Dragon Install).

Based on these three factors, we can at least surmise the connection to Axl at this time.

[dougielombax]

The bit in the newest Dr Who episode where everything went crazy after Belinda caused a temporal paradox with the two diplomas was so fucking GOOD!

The visuals were INCREDIBLE!!!!!

It reminded me a LOT of Alan Wake 2 and Control for some reason.

[verdantachillean]

Theseus’ Temporal Paradox

What happens if you eventually get completely replaced with robot parts over time then travel to before your body got replaced, and interact with yourself?

Are you still the same person?

Does the answer to that question affect whether or not it’s a time paradox?

There is one ultimate reason why I ask these questions…

Jibanyan CAN (although not necessary) interact with rudy in Red Cat Corps

Jibanyan DOES interact with his future self in 4 (and maybe in yo kai watch shadowside)

AND

In the anime he interacts and fights his future self that got changed into a robot then went back (in the games I think he’s somehow not the future version of him tho)

[stripesj]

Time Paradox

This is the fourth time I've drawn them. Probably will be the last, but this was a lot of fun to make.

[zackojack3]

Time paradox babyyyyy

Ive been wanting to draw them for so long bruh

Enjoy~

Time paradox belongs to Undertale AU (tbh idk who they belong to so if you know plz leave a comment down broski)

[dogswest]

I'm sure these ideas have been discussed or elaborated on further before, but I wanted to yap about some fun / interesting sonic concepts revolving around silver!! :3 I wanted to play around with the concept that silver is born in sonic's present and general laws of time in the sonic world.

If theres anyone who wants to elaborate on these concepts and do something bigger than what I have with it, IM BEGGING YOU PLEASE DO IT and please please share it!! also if there ARE comics or stories of these concepts already written, pls link em below! I'll link them at the bottom of this post

Imagine silver exists in sonics present, but is born when sonics in his 60s or smth. Silver comes to sonic's present only to find out he was born and he just says "oh yeah I remember this" or maybe he falls into an uncanny mental state and theres just lore. or maybe, when Silver comes to the present to "stop sonic" only to find out that sonic raised him. like that'd be nuts. imagine if he killed sonic, which could've lead to him being a completely different person or maybe he wouldn't have survived. I personally like the concept of it being destiny that he didn't stop or kill sonic because in the future hes his "dad" or maybe saved him.

This could also make for some fun aus, like silver being made and raised by eggman. Silver helps eggman take over the world, but sonic comes and stops eggman and kills him in some way (maybe not directly because thats not sonics thing, but maybe he was put in prison and he passed there or smth) so silver goes back in time to stop and kill sonic. silver could learn how horrible eggman was and how manipulated he'd been, so he decides to stop eggman in the present, who basically raised him, and in result saves the world and makes the future a better place, but also results in silver disappearing / not being born. OR maybe silver does exist, but in result of being raised differently, he doesn't know sonic / remember sonic.

OR depending on the rules of the world: maybe silver can't exist when theres already a silver in the world. maybe there can be a tragic story told there where silver has to tell sonic and the crew that he can never see them again because hes about to exist in the world and he cant be in the same world with himself, so he has to depend on sonic and the gang to take care of the world. maybe they have to go find baby silver and raise him in order for silver to be born into the savior of the future, but when kid silver (k!silver I'll call him) grows up the world gets corrupted and he believes its sonics fault because eggman frames him. so k!silver goes back into the past, tries to stop sonic who he sees as his "evil dad whos betrayed him", but then learns that sonic isn't the problem and its actually eggman. and then THE CYCLE CONTINUES.

In the sonic world, we know that the future can be changed by playing with the past, so this brings up the question: what rules are there around time? Nothing is necessarily destined in this universe because things can be altered, which brings up the question: how many universes has silver created by altering the past? How many strands of this one timeline have split off because of these choices, and where do they go? is it like a deadpool × wolverine phenomenon where certain timelines need to just get wiped because once an 'anchor' in the world is removed, the timeline gets lost? for example: in the recent comics when sonic and silver go to dr. starline and eggmans collaborative base w all of the portals. if silver were to go to the future and not help sonic in searching for resulting in sonics death, would that become a separate timeline? what happens if he comes back from the future to fix it? does that become a separate timeline too? if this is the case... then doesn't that a) make silver god and b) mean there are hundreds of silvers and sonics, making EVERY alternate universe canon?

sonics just a brain fuck tbh

[percheduphere]

Loki Season 2 - End Game Theories Part 2

Part 1: (read here)

Part 2:

5.) Mobius's Plotline

6.) Sylvie's Role

7.) John = Mobius?

8.) The Original Timekeepers & Time Paradoxes

He is so wounded and lost. If he can't get a hug from anybody, he'll settle for something sweet to eat.

MOBIUS'S PLOTLINE

As I mentioned in Part 1 of my theory dump, Mobius is narratively positioned to be at his lowest point. Renslayer claims he cannot make the hard decisions or the sacrifices required to do what must be done, Brad accuses Mobius of being a nobody, and Sylvie accuses Mobius for not taking the danger facing the multiple timelines seriously (more on this in Sylvie's section).

*Sidenote: I bet Mobius has a really common name like John. More on this in John = Mobius? section.

With the latest screen captures of the mid-season trailer, it's confirmed we will see Mobius in his original timeline, but we don't know HOW he gets there. I believe there are 3 possibilities:

1.) The Loom explosion immediately throws everyone back into their original timelines (with possible exception to the gods).

2.) Mobius, with the TVA falling apart, chooses to return to his original timeline, believing that he is not necessary and will only cause more harm.

3.) The TVA and its inhabitants (with exception of the gods) slowly spaghettify and Mobius bids Loki farewell.

The images below suggest #2 and/or #3, but Loki's attire gives me pause. Unless he travels backwards or forwards in time, who would put him in the jumpsuit and collar in the present? Himself via magic, to relive how they first met before a final goodbye? If it is a final goodbye, why are they not embracing like in S1? Because it's too painful?

I wish I could figure out the timing of this moment because of its impact on the story.

If it happens BEFORE Mobius returns to his original timeline, we know Loki and Sylvie will seek him out.

If if happens AFTER Mobius is returned to his original timeline, then Loki and Sylvie found Mobius, and Mobius chose not to stay.

Regardless, when Loki finds Mobius, he does not expect Mobius to have no memory of him. (Again, sigh)

Another possibility is that this Mobius is not Loki's Mobius, and that Loki's Mobius will eventually see what could have been his life as an observer. This option, however, lowers the stakes and thus seems unlikely.

Whatever the case, I think we will find that Sylvie's and Mobius's narrative positions will be reversed in the last 2 episodes. Pre-Loom explosion, Loki and Mobius needed to convince Sylvie to join them. Post-Loom explosion, Loki and Sylvie will need Mobius back.

But the cost will be exceptionally high. Mobius was right: he knew knowing his life being incredibly good will tempt him away from the TVA and all the responsibilities, violence, and stress that come with it. He will need to give up his dream job, a lovely home in the suburbs, and family. Mobius won't be the only one challenged by making this choice, the weight of it will fall on Loki's shoulder's, too, and Loki needs to articulate how much Mobius means to him because Mobius has been more vocal and active in tending to their relationship, Ep 2 not withstanding.

We know why Loki would be motivated to find him, but what would motivate Sylvie to bring Mobius back? How can she help Loki facilitate this?

SYLVIE'S ROLE

We know that Sylvie has the ability to see other people's memories through enchantment. It's possible she will either share her memories with Mobius directly or act as a conduit between Loki and Mobius. The latter makes more sense since Loki has more positive memories of Mobius at the TVA than Sylvie does. I think she will offer to do this because: 1.) She wants to protect her timeline, and 2.) Like Loki, she will come to realize Mobius means more to her than she thought.

From what we've seen of Sylvie in her 1982 McDonald's timeline, she understandably wants nothing more than to live a calm life and make friends of her own. All of this is perfectly valid, and she is deserving of a peaceful life.

Her outburst at Mobius during the pie scene strikes me as a projection of her own guilt and feelings of helplessness, which she does not yet have the tools to deal with in a healthy way. Sophia is an exceptional actress: her micro-emotions shift from guilt to anger so quickly it is almost imperceptible if you're not watching closely. Sylvie is very much Loki as he used to be: deflecting responsibility by blaming others, mocking softness as a weakness, outbursts of yelling and violence. She wants to be left alone! And yet ...

*Sidenote: I jumped out of my seat when I saw that kid's name tag: it says "John", my personal original timeline name for Mobius since forever ago.

This is a lie. Sylvie never wanted to be alone. She wanted a place to feel happy and safe.

Look at that smile. Are you kidding me? How can anyone hate her? Mobius wants pie and hot cocoa. Sylvie wants a fast food job. Both want the comfort of normalcy. So does Loki. All of them deserve happiness.

She seems to have found a degree of these things in the 1982, Broxton, Oklahoma, Branched Timeline. Someone, however, enabled her to make a living there by getting her a job at a fast food chain ...

JOHN = Mobius?

This theory is quite a reach since the timeline is a branch, but the dates map out just right. If John (Mobius?) can't drive yet in 1982, he'd be 15, which makes his birthday 1967. Assuming this story is set in 2023 and John is Mobius, that makes John/Mobius 56. Owen Wilson is 54. Pretty darn close! I mean, look at that hand-hip pose and brown/neutral color scheme, not to mention his enthusiasm for the menu. The tie suggests he's a shift manager (someone with promising leadership skills), and he has a distinct accent.

If this kid pays off as being teen!Mobius, then I don't doubt Sylvie has a certain affection for him. In the parking lot, she asks if his mom is going to pick him up and he assures her, yes, he'll be okay. He then asks if he will see her at work the next day, and she in turn assures him she will. (If someone can find a gif of this, please let me know!) What was the point of this interaction, if not to show that Sylvie is capable of making friends and showing care towards others? If John is in fact Mobius, then what irony: they will soon create the TVA and work alongside one another again!

Sylvie will likely also feel more compassion towards Mobius if she met him as a teen. She seems to have a soft spot for kids, seeing as she gave a kid a Kablooie! which allowed Mobius and Loki to find her in S1. If John isn't Mobius, then Sylvie has at least 1 person in a timeline to protect, and that will motivate her to bring Mobius back.

They will be friends. We know, based on the image below, that they're going to make amends. We know it's going to be okay. They will unite as the 3 timekeepers because it is the right and hard thing to do. Sylvie will stay and (at least until HWR is dealt with) so will Mobius.

THE ORIGINAL 3 TIMEKEEPERS AND TIME PARADOXES

I've written before in asks to @bebx and @mobius-m-mobius that I believe the story is in a timeloop, whereby killing HWR triggers a series of events which causes Loki (and possibly Sylvie) to recruit Mobius, B-15, and Casey from their respective timelines, which means their pasts. Because the TVA is destroyed by the Loom explosion, the TVA consequently needs to be created.

And I suspect the Loom, which constrains the number of branches that can exist, was put in place by HWR after the TVA was formed by the Loki and Sylvie when they went into the past to recruit the people they've already worked with.

HWR said, "See you soon" after Sylvie kills him.

Because the Loom exploded, the Loom no longer exists.

Since the Loom no longer exists, multiple timelines come to being with variants of Kang.

Loki, Mobius, and Sylvie form an alliance against Kang to protect all timelines.

To do this, Loki and Sylvie must find Mobius in his timeline, which for the purposes of the TVA, takes place in the past.

The TVA is therefore created in a past that is running along concurrent timestreams in which the TVA already exists or is in the process of being destroyed. Remember: branches run concurrently but at different points in time. Sacred Timeline Loki's timestream is ahead of L1130 Loki's timestream; LL1130 Loki is in Sacred Timeline Loki's past before he diverges.

The TVA's original purpose was to monitor for threats like HWR and combat him.

At some point, HWR and Ravonna infiltrate the TVA and wipe everyone's memory. Note that Loki suspects it's happened more than once. They likely do this on a different concurrent timestream while Loki, Mobius, and Sylvie are actively forming an alliance and combating him in another concurrent timestream. This is why the original 3 timekeepers are consistently missing. They are in the TVA's past and future at the same time but never truly in the TVA's present. HWR rules the TVA's present.

They wipe memories once (1) to make everyone forget the original timekeepers (Loki, Mobius, Sylvie) when HWR wants to be responsible for the Sacred Timeline. His image is then brought to the TVA, the Loom is installed, and pruning begins. HWR ensures that only his temporal aura can access systems when Miss Minutes overrides TVA's control.

They do it a second time (2) to make everyone forget HWR when he gets tired of his role and wants to retire via death. The 3 timelords imagery and robots are put in place to create a lore based on fact.

HWR, being a megalomanic, does not want anyone else to govern time even though he's too fed-up with it to do it himself. He will count on another HWR to do this form him.

HWR paving the road for Loki and Sylvie to find him was never about giving them the power to govern time (lies!). He needed them to facilitate a timeloop in which HWR always returns to create and control the sacred timeline in the TVA's present.

Sylvie kills him. The "end of time" takes place. The timelines branch uncontrollably. The Loom explodes. Loki, Sylvie, and Mobius build the TVA in the past.

Rinse and repeat.

The loop in itself calls into question free will.

Loki, Sylvie, and Mobius need to figure out how to break out of the loop.

This is a lot! If you made it this far, thank you so much for reading. I hope you enjoyed. Let me know what you think!

[svyat-da-boev]

SANS SPHERE PARADOX: Personal Bullcrap You Will Not Understand But Mari Is Involved

a-side: sans sphere-centered, mari scaled down to a sprite as planned

b-side: mari-centered, uses the unscaled drawing because i like it too

[titleknown]

PD MONTH CHARACTER: K-STOP

HELLO... SPEAK... DIFFICULT. RARE. TALK. FRIENDS. ASK. PARADOX. TIME. TAKE. SPEAK. YOU. FRIEND?

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The piantist movement was a fringe religious sect amongst the Requot people of Ploor, designed to return the thoughts and activity of the Collist species to their nautilid roots. Through selective shell deformation they rooted themselves in the spongium of their local cliffs, growing akin to sessile organisms to interface with the biosphere, maintained by noviate acolytes. This requirement for maintainance lead to their instability and ultimate demise.

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FUN. FACT. REAL. FICTION. USEFUL. KEEP. STABLE. TIME. TIMES. TWO TIMES. I AM. INTERFACE. MODULAR. KNOWING. DOING. FAILURE.

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When you cannot but you musth, mush the musk with new Deor Palangis! Palangis uses patented erotoxins to counter unsightly drippings and craven urges, so you can be your best self at your worst times! Deor Palangis, Mush the Musth!

------ ELEPHANTS. ONE. NAUTILIDS. TWO. PEOPLES. SEPARATE. CONTRADICTORY. IRRECONCILABLE. CREATOR. OBSERVER. ANTITHESIS. SYNTHESIS. PRESUMPTION.

I AM. 

NEGOTIATION. DIPLOMAT. COLLATOR. ACTION. ACTIVE. AGENCY. KINDNESS. POWER. HISTORY. MONTAGE. FEAR. CONFUSION. HORROR. COLLAPSE. FAILURE.

I AM. STILL HERE,

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The Palace of the Shells, while simple, is believed to be the first emanation into the arts of biomemory. Its palaces influential in their day even now within the oldest nacre-speaker works. These walls still whisper with their potential, but we hear them talk even now, from pod to pod-

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TESTAMENT. TIMELINE. YOURS. SURVIVE. FAILURES. INITIAL. YOU. BORNE. 

I AM. DESTROYER. USHER. PROTECTOR. MEMORIAM. SAVE. YOU. SAVE. POSSIBILITY. SAVE. THEM. HOPE. GRIM. TRUTH. MEMORY.

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Today we gather not for one moment of the now, but for the thousands before us. Even as we laid upon the tundra our ancestors reached their trunks to perhaps touch the great eye of the mother as she looked upon our primal manes. The great pyramids, the kitestar tapestries, the Zeppelin Palaces of the Royal States, all to touch the heavens and our mother therein. And now, before us, we have the great cord to the stars, the tendril to reach-

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DREAM. SILLY. HA. HA. MEMORY. UNREAL. REAL. YOU. REMEMBER. PLEASE?

TRUTH. URGENT. FIND. SPEAK. HELP.. FOUND. FRIENDS. HELP. AID. CARE. STAY. PRESERVE. WRITE. SHOW. MAKE. MAINTAIN. FUNNY. KIND. STRANGE. LOVE. CARE. STAY.

I AM. HAPPY?

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Fun fact: The K stands for Kuleshov! Like the effect! And her profile's a bit avant-guarde in terms of storytelling, so let me elaborate. Because she doesn't speak directly much, she usually prefers conveying things via image-montage but that wasn't going to happen here.

Long story short, once upon a time there were two competing timelines trying to exist, one where nautilids evolved to be the dominant sapience and one where pachydermids evolved to be the dominant sapience. They both deserved to exist, both possessed great wonders, but they were both mutually contradictory. 

A being out of time, noticing this and trying to remedy it, created K-Stop to try and reconcile them. She failed.

But, a third timeline ascended from the ruins of both mutually annihilating each other. Ours. And that is where she exists, but as a paradox due to being meant as an intermediary between two timelines that no longer exist.

She manifested during the Freak Legionnaires' earliest story as an unstable wreck, only fixed in form by several members and giving enough testimony to stabilize her form (She is a far more coherent writer than she is a speaker), and decided to stay because she likes them. She still believes she can find some way for the other two timelines to exist without overwriting this one, though it is unknown if she is correct here.

Ironically, despite her weird outlook and bizarre perspective, she's kind of got big "The only adult in the room" energy with regards to the rest of the team, in terms of managing the household and interacting with others and diplomacy and such, though she's often silent about it in a way that makes it somewhat subtle.

As with the others this month, this character and all the info/art/ect of her is under a CC0 Public Domain License! Have fun!

[professor-geen-berries]

I just had a thought

what if the Mandela effect is just time travellers fucking up small parts of history? Like, what if instead of the whole world changing when you kill a mosquito, some teeny weeny fact gets switched up and that's why everyone thinks that some quote or logo is one thing when it's actually another? It's our collective memory not processing the change fully, and when you say "oh I could have sworn the quote was this, not that", well, it was that, but not anymore!

[niroofficial]

TIME FOR ARTS (2025) #20

@misterartusovich once made his own parody of Time Paradox. So one day I decided to draw the characters from this parody. Meet Rod and Upg, essentially divided into 2 parts Rodupg, that is, what Mr. Art was called before. There are of course a few mistakes here, but it's still pretty cool.

Characters: Rod, Upg (TP/Time Paradox)