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This is what the dynamic was like
#my art#sketchy sketch#arcane#silco#vander#silco arcane#vander arcane#zaundads#vanco#sadihasdias I can't stop#i am not that into turning this duo into a trio#and downplaying some of the themes and dynamics established earlier on#the political and freedomfighter stuff. Now it's a promise to a keep etc not a fight between two different views on how to handle#a difficult thing as breaking away from oppression and becoming independent and free#and not in individual level but as a whole community/city#and neither of them did it 100% right but both did some things right#anyway haha lol gay
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the idea that 'tma' cis male drag queens experience more misogyny and transphobia than 'tme' trans men (who actually grow up with the systemic disadvantages that being deemed female as you grow up, and are actuallyy yk trans) imo proves a fundamental problem with the tme/tma dichotomy.
In order for this contradiction to exist you either have to say:
-Trans men hold systemic power over certain cis men (straight up untrue)
-Cis male drag queens are not TMA (doesn't work under the established definition of what transmisogyny is, and is contradicted by every major voice in this conversation)
-TMA vs TME doesn't actually work in terms of systemic power dynamics, and only deals with a subset of transphobia, and is not helpful in its current system of use.
#trans discourse#gender dynamics#transandrophobia#eh#im starting to get sick of that word#but its useful as a place holder until enough theory has emerged about transmasculine oppression that a better one can be coined
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The way timebomb would have ate as rivals to reluctant allies/friends (with potential undertones) in S2 while heading a chaotic revolution of Zaun will never not haunt me.
#arcane critical#like they’re called zaun’s royalty for a reason right?#as a shipper I’ve always been the first to say I didn’t want or need them to be canon#I just wanted to dynamic explored and for the characters to reach their potential#I always saw the potential in rebel jinx tbh#also been thinking about both of them are artists in different ways and how oppressive regimes really hate that#jinx arcane#ekko arcane#timebomb
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before you make that post about how annoyed you are at all these dumb idiots calling their interpretation of these two characters something like oh idk siblings or family or whatever maybe ask yourself this:
is someone flattening this dynamic using a familial term or trying to invent a reason why no one can ship them OR are you just pitching a fit about someone else’s interpretation of this dynamic (that they’re expressing in their own space and on their own time, maybe sometimes saying they don’t like the ship or it makes them personally uncomfortable) (again on their own time and in their own space) because it makes you feel weird about your ship and you have zero distress tolerance because you’re so used to all of fandom catering directly to you and your romantic ships that any deviation from that - which isn’t even addressing people who DO ship them just expresses the op not feeling the same - feels like something is being taken away and you’re under attack.
#gav gab#seen a lot of the latter and almost none of the former#JUST SAYING!#is that person who enjoys that relationship as a sibling dynamic#personally oppressing you as a shipper#or do you need to mind your business and do what you always tell other people to do#and curate your space/don’t like don’t read#I’m annoyed today sorry!#‘I don’t ship this and reading ship content makes me uncomfortable bc of my interpretation of this dynamic haha’#‘I CANT BELIEVE YOURE TRYING TO SAY NO ONE CAN SHIP THIS UGH WHY ARE YOU SUCH A REPRESSIVE ASSHOLE NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE NUCLEAR FAMILY’#‘YOURE DUMB AND NAIVE AND REGRESSIVE’
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as someone in this fandom has already said: i don't need the writers or the plots they write to "validate" my own personal politics. there's a lot of shows and books and movies that are good even though they are made, and therefore display, a multitude of political ideas i don't share.
but to me arcane season 2 is bad because the show completely forgets its own premises. you can't base the whole show on the premise that enforcers are a violent and oppressive force (the literal first scene is them murdering vi and jinx's parents) and then expect the audience to root for them.
same thing with vi's abuse, the writers went out of their way to let us know she was getting regularly beaten up in prison, and then they show us caitlyn hitting her with that rifle - wearing an enforcer uniform - and expect the audience to root for them to be back together in the end???
#i read that interview that was like “we wanted to make it as difficult as possible for them [vi and caitlyn] to be together” but like#okay you want to represent an oppressor × oppressed dynamic (icky) but in order to make a dynamic like that realistic you got to#and i repeat you got to be able to handle it and that means being able to write a decent plot#and even then you can't be offended when a lot of people won't like said dynamic even if it's well written#arcane critical#anti caitlyn kiramman#anti caitvi#arcane discourse#arcane season 2#arcane fandom
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okay, but, like, THAT'S how you do a villain story. in the FIRST scene, you watch him shoot a man in cold blood. the show tells you right away "this man is not a good man".
but then it gets you to sympathize - look at how much the world has stepped on him. look at how terrible the whole of gotham is. and even when he kills more people, does more terrible things, you still root for him. because it's fun to watch someone be terrible to terrible people. you root for sofia too, because if anyone deserves revenge its her, but you're rooting for both of them somehow.
and then the show tells you "when he was a boy he killed his brothers". but even still, you want to see what he'll do. the show is called the penguin, you want to see the penguin rise. when he lets his mother's finger almost get cut off, you pity him. he's a sad, broken thing. how could he be anything but bad? but he loves, so there must be something else there.
but then. but THEN
the show always told you: "this is the devil". but you thought, maybe the devil can make hell a little more bearable for some people. the devil is so often nuanced, sympathetic, complex. maybe he's like that.
you're wrong. there's nothing good within him and YOU rooted for him to succeed. you wanted to watch the destruction. and now you have to live with the consequences of thinking, even for a second, that he could be redeemed.
#lauren feels things#penguin spoilers#the penguin#the penguin spoilers#network execs are always talking about how they want something#'surprising but inevitable'#which is NOTHING that's a nothing phrase#eXCEPT THIS WAS EXACTLY THAT#don't even get me started on everything else#the performances the COSTUMES!!!#the story they told with sofia's costumes!!!!!!!!!!!!!#but god#the thing that got me so good#was seeing the scratches on oz's hands as he strangled vic#just like carmine and sofia's mom#i hope sofia murders oz so bad#oh and DEF don't get me started on the POWER DYNAMICS#the conversation the show was having about power#and being a woman and being a man and being rich and being poor and being white and being disabled#and how the systems of power and oppression are not at all neat#oz is a white man born poor with a disability#but he ultimately has more privilege than sofia#sofia was born on third base and inherited her kingdom but is still a woman they called crazy#who went down for a man's crime#oz is STILL right when he calls her out for her relative privilege#they both have more power over the other depending on circumstance#and then VIC#poor non-white disabled#he gets crushed under everyone#and yet has the power of LABOR ORGANIZING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If it weren't so sad and sinister, it would actually be pretty funny how a whole generation has reduced an important and thought-provoking concept like intersectionality to a warped version of the Four Yorkshiremen sketch.
#ButIfYouTellThatToTheYoungPeopleToday #...TheyWontBelieveYou
Bwahahahahahaha! You're right!
Oppression Olympics, circa 1948:
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Featuring Marty Feldman, John Cleese, and Graham Chapman before Monty Python
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I'm so tired of people pretending Jon only likes warrior women. What about his interactions with Ygritte make them think he likes her romantically because she's a warrior and she's unladylike and all that? GRRM said he saw in Ygritte some of Arya's traits, and since he loves Arya, those traits aren't off putting to him. But they aren't attractive to him either. Period. 1) He didn't have much of a choice regarding Ygritte. Would he ever have laid eyes on her if she wasn't so insistent and if his life wasn't at risk? 2) He doesn't like her violence. He felt like a dog while being with her near the other wildlings. He constantly argued with her whenever her values were made clear. He tried to comfort her as a gallant boyfriend when she cried because the wall "tried to kill her" and she punched him too hard for it. He abandoned her because she was ruthless and killed an innocent old man. 3) He doesn't find her attractive at first, when he actually compares her a lot with Arya. He thinks it's silly that the wildlings consider her a great beauty because of her red hair. Like, it looks unbrushed! Things he actually likes about her: her singing, the way his hair shines with the firelight, the way she looks at him, when they're kissing and talking nonsense. That's it. They talk for more than 2 minutes and there's nothing left. They're too different and he doesn't agree with her views on the world. But people are so insistent in denying the mere possibility of jonsa that they look at this mess of a relationship and think "oh yes, Jon walked willingly into this and he would never look at another woman if she's not like Ygritte because she's his perfect type" 😑. And even if he did like her completely and felt attracted to all those things about her, do people really think that humans are only ever attracted to one type of person through their whole lifes? Be for real now.
Nothing but true facts, anon.
Jon's type = not actually violent sexual predators.
#anti jon x ygritte#anti ygritte#jon snow#protect him#jonsa#<- for filtering#because it was mentioned not because it's strictly relevant#you don't need to ship jonsa to see how oppressive that relationship dynamic was to jon#and what he actually liked about her and what he does not.#but hey this fandom has been notorious about missing the obvious when it comes to abuse
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What response would you recommend to people attacking shipping? For that matter, what response would you recommend to Hamas doing that thing they did last October, which everyone has decided didn't happen and wouldn't matter if it did? I don't think the current response is good, but the alternative being offered is literally "roll over and die."
We are so far past a reasonable response to what Hamas did in October that “well what would you have done?” feels like a question that’s in extraordinarily bad faith, whether or not you mean it that way. A policy genuinely aimed at preventing massacres like the one in October starts with not illegally occupying territory, stalling a peace process indefinitely, and persistently dehumanizing and abusing a large civilian population—by the time we’re asking “how do you respond to a group like Hamas attacking civilians” we are already in the realm of abject policy failures, because a group like Hamas only exists because of Israeli policies. An honest response would be something like “fundamentally reassess our approach to Palestine.”
But if Israel has the kind of politics, and Netanyahu was the kind of leader, capable of doing that, it’s hard to imagine things getting this bad in the first place. This is one reason it’s important to put pressure on governments like the UK and US to criticize Israel’s actions, because the push for restraint is not going to come from within Israeli politics.
#there’s this consistent dynamic in dehumanizing politics#where a population gets abused and oppressed and exploited#for years on end#and when someone in that population#finally lashes out in anger#even does something shocking#their oppressors go ‘see? we told you they were animals’#and uses that as an excuse to maintain the oppression#they were going to continue anyway#the correct response to hamas’s massacre was to do nothing#that would have required extraordinary courage and restraint#but it would have shown Hamas they were wrong about Israel#ditto for that matter 9/11#the correct response to a provocation#is not to let yourself be provoked!
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OMG Y’ALL GELPHIE IS CAITVI IF IT WAS WRITTEN WELL
#embrace the toxicity and oppressor x oppressed dynamic and don’t sugarcoat it and then let them have sex in a train instead of a cell#and then have them not be endgame#brilliant#gelphie#anti caitvi#wicked#wicked 2024#anti arcane
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look everyone is entitled to their own interpretation and i am by no means saying the loumand relationship is in any way a healthy one but everyone reading that face down in the coffin scene as louis putting on his "pimp persona" and armand being unhappy about it... are we watching the same show? you think armand can't tell him no?? that man was TURNED ON and tore off those suspenders without hesitation. just like i would if louis would put on his big boy voice like that. yes maître
#all jokes aside if i see anyone bring up louis acting like a pimp again i will snap#yall think this is him oppressing armand or something?? as if armand is not in on this???#you can't even see that their shifting power dynamic is a ruse because it just makes louis think he's the one in control#just because he can boss armand around in the bedroom like i'm sorry but armand knows exactly what he's doing here too#not saying he's not vulnerable to louis in a way because he is but pls keep ur disgusting pimp/sex slave readings out of this thank u#interview with the vampire#iwtv#loumand
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that's not the point being made here and You People fucking know that
#'it's not about who's a good person it's about who your favorite war criminal is'#yes i love watering down dynamics of oppressors vs the oppressed#'both sides are bad' but 'piltover has a right to defend themselves'#(<- an actual take. it's easy to guess what their pfp was)#because yes the side that doesn't have a proper military and had to make weapons from scratch out of materials left by their oppressors#is definitely the same as the side that have an entire armed task force who have gassed innocent victims and are a-okay shooting kids#thinking about that one person who said they got wokebaited by arcane 😭#yeah maybe it's our fault for expecting better from a show made by white centrists for white centrists#arcane#anti caitlyn kiramman
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Anders stannies who are critical of Fenris and act as though Anders’s political ideology is wonderful and great 100% of the time, my beloathed.
#it’s obvious when yall are white leftists#who don’t understand intersectionality#and like I joke that I don’t like Anders#but it is a joke#yall tho are so quick to be vile about Fenris#honestly their whole dynamic wand teh intersections of their oppression was written poorly#and they both obviously have bad takes#Fenris is prejudice#and Anders only likes elves when they agree with him#anyway#dragon age#da2#fenris#fenris dragon age#Anders#anders dragon age#discourse#dragon age 2
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Not to complain about something 100% trivial, but. I've not yet entertained the thought of drawing davidcest art before due to how very Weird it'd feel to do just that, and yet — seeing everyone get it so, so wrong and backwards almost frustrates me enough to just grab the fucking pen and do it myself.
#dav text#It's like y'all just see that one character design is looking disheveled and the other is looking proper and are just rolling with that#like you've not seen shit of david before otherwise#which is fucking wild since davidcest seems to be a niche thing from long standing fans#how can you get it so very wrong. how#it's 'painfully oppressive control guised in gentle positivity' + 'hatred that is dulled by fatigue and defeatism'#not an 'annoyed prudent boy' + a 'whore having fun'#If you're already going to draw selfcest then get the selfhatred in it right#if that's too abusive/““darkship”” of a dynamic to you then whyyy would you -#- even grab the most mentally ill character you could've for this in the first place#Go make selfcest of Eden or something smfh
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Been big into trans guy x cis guy recently, which is a massive surprise to me bc I usually rlly dislike most of the content ppl make abt that specific dynamic (eg: trans guy small and is pre everything and basically a woman and a bottom and shit, cis guy big and strong and Has A Dick or whatever), but there's smth very cool to me abt a trans guy being in a relationship w a cis person who genuinely and wholly sees them as a man and treats them as such, no matter what their physical transition status is. It's very healing as a guy who's dated people who I know only viewed me as "nonbinary at best," if not just a woman, and expected me to fill a role in a lesbian relationship with them
#mewo rambles :3#tw sex mention#Feeling very cringe posting shit like this rn but cringe culture is dead and I like to enjoy my fictional trans guys 👍#I try not to get into past relationship shit on here bc... that's weird to post imo but my past experiences#As sum1 who was consistently feminized in my relationships are a large part of my taste in dynamics when it comes to transmasc hcs#It's also just a rlly important part of why I believe in transmasc specific oppression due to how specific#Our experiences in dating can be but that's another topic#Posting this before I can chicken out and berate myself for being a stereotypical fandom-goer
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when youre watching a show that is so deeply about humanity and the intricacies of relationships between all the characters and the only way you interact with that show is by looking at every single character purely as a representation of their social standing, youre going to basically have the worlds worst understanding of those characters, their relationships, and the show as a whole.
#sometimes youre searching too hard for symbols of oppression in an interaction that is between people who are meant to be people not blank#slates reading 'poor baby' and 'rich cunt'#a power dynamic existing does not actually mean the characters are suddenly entirely separate from everything else about them#you guys just see yuri and immediately need to deconstruct it until the characters involved are unrecognisable#like sometimes theres more to them that the one trait you like to fucking focus on#SOMETIMES THE FUCKING POINT IS THAT THEY HAVE MORE THAN ONE FUCKING TRAIT#arcane fans pmo again
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