#robert carr

[yrsonpurpose]

"I didn't ever want to keep you from the King, but the King from you."

[fanfrelon]

Nicholas Galitzine & Laurie Davidson in Mary & George

[unstablecryptid]

Mary & George

ep 3: Not So Much as Love as by Awe

[voidstilesplease]

Sorry, I just can't stop thinking about that one sequence in the Mary & George trailer. George on the floor with a bucket (what the gay Cinderella is happening) and Robert looking over his shoulder at him like he wants to kick him in the face for coming and stealing King James' attention and get him on top of him at the same time. They're going to be so unhealthy, so toxic, so lethal for each other and I'll be here eating it all up 😭 Like, I'm all about enemies to lovers, but they're not even that, are they. Rivals to lovers? Rivals but lovers. Rivals and lovers? Rivals who look good dicking each other down.

[googlewinnie]

laurie davidson as robert carr in mary and george

[huariqueje]

Informal library    -    Robert Burns Carr, 1936.

American, b. 1906  - ?

Oil on canvas

[moonbreezes]

saw Mary and George

and here’s mine spoiler free review

i wish that Mary & George was Mary & George not MARY & ᵍᵉᵒʳᵍᵉ

iykyk

I think I’ll write a full on thing once I’ll watch it again and think things through

[auselysium]

SHUT THE FRONT DOOR

I am only now putting together that the guy playing Robert Carr played Shakespeare in the short lived but incredibly, colorfully chaotic Will back in 2017.

He had chemistry with EVERYONE in that show. And since Nick also exudes the same energy, I just know I need to mentally prepare myself.

[james-vi-stan-blog]

to your knowledge, did King James ever abuse George in some way? I’ve seen people throw that word around

tw abuse, child abuse, coercion, violence against animals and stuff

It depends on what you mean by abuse. If you consider a severely power-differentiated relationship abuse, then the whole thing is abusive, but also every interpersonal relationship in the 17th century is abusive.

I don’t know of any reported instance of James hitting George, nor of overt sexual coercion (though we know very little about their bedroom life, such as it is possible for historians to argue that they never had sex, although this is a minority view now). James was VERY into marrying off his courtiers, including his favorites, and when George married Katherine, while James still expected George to be constantly at his side, he encouraged them to go at it and make babies. Most of James’s favorites seem to have transitioned out of sleeping with him, and he remained very affectionate with them. Also, remember how James called Carr not wanting to sleep with him “a mere unkindness”? He was hurt, and I read those words as being whiny and guilt trip-y, but it’s not like he was demanding constant service. (Also, many historians think George was probably not having sex with James towards the end of James’s reign simply because James was very sick. Yet this is the period of James’s most intensely romantic letters.)

James, we should remember, hated violence (at least between humans) and had trauma over being shouted at. This doesn’t mean he would never perpetuate it. He did have a temper (nothing like Henry VIII levels though). He led armies, personally oversaw torture, sentenced people to brutal death, etc. — although in this period these would be seen as just actions that a moral king should do, protecting his people against criminals and outlaws. James was popularly criticized for being too soft.

There is an oft-repeated story about him trying to strike a teenage Henry Frederick with his cane during a hunt. This would have been considered acceptable discipline for a father to mete on his son, if “justified” by bad behavior. However, Henry Frederick simply rode off and most of the hunting party went with him, signaling that the prince was more popular than the king and James was not considered justified in this case. (Though, I heard this story told once where HENRY FREDERICK is the one who tried to hit JAMES.)

James and George did argue with raised voices, James publically snubbed George during problem periods of their relationship, but I don’t know that these would really be “abuse” rather than conflict. There is the aspect of the power differential, where George has to grovel and apologize to get James to forgive him, because James was the king. However, James very readily gave his forgiveness (and not just to George, he was generally very eager to forgive any of his friends or favorites for anything if they promised him their love).

Robert Carr DID yell at James, and the main thrust of James’s extremely long feelingsdump letter to him was that he felt hurt and betrayed that Carr wanted to “hold him by awe” (fear) “rather than by love”. So James felt Carr was controlling him by threats and angry outbursts, which James resented, saying that he would do anything for Carr for love, but if he felt he was being taken for granted and Carr was bullying him, that that love would swiftly turn to hate.

(Of course, we must remember that James was a divine right king, so we should be suspicious of his characterization of Carr’s behavior. When James is this massively entitled, such that he genuinely thinks it is a religious sin to resist his will, is he correctly perceiving this situation? Is he overreacting to a relatively modest drawing of boundaries by Carr? I’m inclined to think James genuinely felt betrayed and Carr really was yelling at him and scaring him, but we can’t fully trust James’s perspective.)

So, the short answer is, I don’t know of any instance between James and George that is unambiguously abuse, although of course their whole relationship is colored by power and manipulation. But I’m not a historian or biographer or anything. I’m just a James enjoyer, constantly learning new things, so there could have been an instance somewhere, I simply haven’t learned of it yet.

In the Mary & George trailer, there’s an instance of James wiping George’s face with blood, but this is not from violence against humans; this is a ritual of the deer hunt, where the leader of the hunt (James) marks his companions with the fresh blood of the kill. So this is an act of favor and weird homoerotic intimacy rather than violence towards George.

[yrsonpurpose]

Mary & George (2024) Episode 3 'Not So Much as Love as by Awe'

[diana9241livejournalcom]

George to Robbie after "the fireplace scene"

[edwardiionlyfans]

House of Stuart + politically controversial relationships

[musicwithoutborders]

Robert Carr /Annette John/Susanne Peuker, Divisions upon an Italian Ground I For Several Friends, 2019

[jthurlow]

We "All" Live in a Ancient Indian Archeological Zone

We “All” Live in a Ancient Indian Archeological Zone

-Erosion at Santa Lucea Beach, Martin County , FL  11-11-22, JTLJust a few days ago, hurricane Nicole whipped up the Atlantic Ocean and unearthed an ancient Ais Indian burial site at Chastain Beach, near Bathtub Beach and Sailfish Point. Once again, we are reminded of history and those who lived here before us. I would hope, in time, these remains will be sacredly reinterred. 11-12-22 TCPalm…

[hugeegosorry]

things that happen when you use the hunger games simulator incorrectly, on the other hand

[moonbreezes]

Things they would have made Mary and George infinitely better (or funnier) in my humble opinion

- historically accurate pet names (oh come on you’ve had access to those letters and speeches shame on you), literally why there is no my wife my child my steenie my husband my dad my gossip your dog your wife your child ETCETERA

- SWEAR BOX SWEAR BOX SWEAR BOX

- “my little beagle” *wink wonk*

- james moping around on a horseback

- any of James’s bestsellers being mentioned

-sickly Georgie (literally trauma bonding through sickness and period accurate “medicine”) he was ill every other month why not use it

- CARRIAGE INCIDENT

- gunpowder plot mention?????

- selling land and titles in Ireland (literally you have sandy why not make her slap George for selling pieces of her homeland ffs)

- letters??????????

- one singular mention of 30 years war / princess Elizabeth (rip liz)

- at least one impeachment oh come onnnnn it would be so much fun to see George sweat

- Robbie telling George to fuck off when he asked for *guidance*

- Robbie and Frances pardoned by yours truly james

(and less Mary - this too would make this show infinitely better)

- looking for the pot of gold (mention) and the subsequent assassination attempt

- witch trials (I really don’t count the Somerset trial in the show)