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[liedownquisition]

Jason Todd's timeline and "Age"

So, there's a lot of discussion of Jason Todd's age esp as relative to other sidekick vigilantes, particularly Tim and Mia. I believe the exact words are usually something about a "grown ass man beating up/trying to kill teenagers."

DISCLAIMER: This particular post is specifically regarding the "grown ass man vs teenagers" statement, I have posts regarding the "tried to kill them" portion and other stuff like "seriously Jason Todd is like being shot by a marshmallow gun compared to what goes on directly before and after him in these incidents, also you don't bitch about the right stuff, also a lot of you prop up characters who are Objectively Worse, and no that's not hate on your fave it's just me calling out hypocrisy". It just takes time to find digital copies of the panels I'm using. NOTE I AM NOT JUSTIFYING HIS ACTIONS. I'm just saying y'all blow it out of proportion for petty character hate. Like, shit, they're superheroes. Jason's soooo fuckin' tame. He's not even framed as a big deal to the teens it's only the adults that think it's that much of a problem.

Courtesy readmore post cut:

Now, to start off, we all know Jason died at 15 & a few months off from 16 (if you want me to dig up panels, sure, but I figured at this point that wasn't in question). Tim at this point is somewhere between 12-13, and we have this panel in Lonely Place of Dying which takes place a few months later:

So that's a ballpark of 2-3 years between Jason and Tim.

But Tim's age is really fucky and they keep de-aging him tbh. We can extrapolate that his confrontation with Jason was between the ages of 16-17 bcs it's after the arc where he has his incredibly shitty 16th birthday in Robin Vol2 #116 and before Red Robin where he's stated to be 17. This would put Jason between 18-19 at the time. (If you really want me to find panel sources for Tim's birthday and his age in RR then, sure, but I don't think they're necessary. I used it more as a guidepost for Jason's age, since we have a clear idea of what the age gap is.)

At least, on paper.

Mia for her part I've had a hard time finding like, on panel mentions of her age and if anyone can direct me to it being explicitly stated I'd love that. I'm rereading old comics but it's a LOT of comics to hunt down & dig through. To my understanding she was fifteen when Ollie first met her, and there's at Minimum of about a year and a half between that to her meeting Red Hood, more likely at least two? because there's at least few months between that and her joining the Titans, the Doctor Light stuff, then One Year Later, and then returned to Star some 3 months after Ollie came back to run for mayor? And then Jason not too long after. So, two years feels safe. Puts her at 17-ish, Jason at 19-20

Once again, I specify: on paper.

People would happily point out at this point that the upward stretch of a 4 year age gap is a "huge gap in maturity." And yeah, under normal circumstances, I'd agree.

But, and this is going to get contradictory bcs I found Two different timelines (BOTH written by Winick, lmao), and depending on how you read it it could be up to three different possibilities. Let's Start with Batman Annual #25: Daedalus & Icarus.

Timestamp before Jason's resurrection, which is pretty well known at this point:

Next, him waking up from a coma afterwards, when he escapes the hospital:

Now the above could be interpreted as either 1 year after he died if we're assuming that it's using the same "start" point to count as the resurrection (unlikely), or one year after he came back (more likely).

Next, the timestamp right before a guy recognizes him and sells him out:

And, finally, the timestamp before being put in the Pit:

That is, count it up, between 3-3 1/2 years where Jason was dead, in a coma, or otherwise not particularly... cognizant of the world around him. His ass is NOT developing emotionally, socially, or mentally like this, which pretty handily bridges the gaps there. Taken at face value, Jason's maturity level is going to be, unironically, younger than Tim's in the wake of these setbacks.

Now, if we go to Lost Days issue 1, it doesn't specify how long he was dead, nor how long he was in a coma, so we'll just carry those two over, what we DO have is this from just after Talia brought him home:

This puts him as being on the streets for five months, so we're at just shy of two years so far. And then we have this:

Which is right before Talia puts him in the Pit.

So, in summary: 6 months dead, 1 year coma, 5 months on the street, and something like 1-1 1/2 years with the League which...

Actually puts us on almost the exact same timeframe either way. 3 to 3 1/2 years. It just changes whether Jason was on the streets or with the League for longer.

And is utterly incomprehensible because comic timelines are a freaking nightmare.

If we're being generous, then that would put Jason at a minimum of 19, maybe toeing the line of 20 for UTRH, again, on paper, because like hell are you convincing me he did less than a year's worth of training abroad throughout Lost Days. Yeah maybe they trained him in fighting while he was catatonic, muscle memory and all that. But the other teachers that we KNOW of? The bombs, guns, probably something to get him up to date on handling all that tech we see him using, Egon, potentially arguably All-Caste if you want to draw from n52...

but you'd have to knock at least a year and a half off of his internal/personal development from death & coma, at minimum. Maybe you could argue he was somewhat developing while in his "the lights are on, but nobody's home" phase, you can't say it's at the same level as a normal person might when going about their day to day life, and it's difficult to measure. But he's not hitting the kind of milestones that he should be for his age. I wouldn't put him at anything less than two years behind. So if we use our upper estimates on Jason, and lower estimates on both the developmental setbacks and Tim/Mia's ages that gives us:

Jason toeing 20, mentally 18, fighting Tim at 16. 2 year gap, kind of stretching the physical age gap if we assume Tim had just barely turned 13 when he showed up to be Robin. - OR LESS

Jason maybe 21, mentally 19, fighting Mia at 17, two year age gap again. Honestly, still not that big of a difference - OR LESS

And, to be frank, that's not even counting the mental development issues that come from the intense physical trauma from dying - and I swear to fuck don't give me the "He's not the only one who died he's not special" speech.

HOW MANY OF THE OTHERS YOU'RE USING AS A GOTCHA LOST, *GESTURING AGGRESSIVELY ABOVE*, LITERALLY MULTIPLE YEARS OF THEIR LIFE.

Not counting adults, of course. Barry lost years, Hal lost years, Ollie I think also lost a couple years? but A) they came back still adults, bodies pretty much the same. B) While Jason's body didn't go through a magic growth spurt in canon, it did still grow esp while with the League.

I'll eventually get around to Titan's Tower & GA#72 (tbh, there are other people who've already done Titan's Tower and it'd probably be better than what I do, so I'm more going to focus on the latter, but there IS a specific part of the former that drives me nuts that I don't see brought up a lot), and maybe if we're feeling spicy all my issues with UTRH starting with how Winick is just as guilty of retroactively writing Jason as being inherently a bad penny since his Robin days as any of the other "modern" writers. Like, bud, Severe enough Head Trauma is legitimately enough to change someone's personality, not to mention trauma. It wouldn't hurt your narrative for that eerie difference, the Shade of What Once Was if you're really going for RH being Like that.

Final addition: I swear to god if you use my post to start up some kind of petty-ass ship war or flame other characters I will immediately turn off reblogs and replies I am Not Dealing With That Shit, please and thank you.

Anyways, @glitter-stained, your interest made me decide to actually put the work in now to pull it up rather than passively gather stuff to dump whenever discourse pushes me over the edge so, here ya are. Looks like you did have it closer on the mark than I did.

[inkz123]

Cute Ink using washi tape and markers💕

[cyberscratch]

some pokémon inspired cat designs!!

these designs are for sale, 15 usd a pop - dm here or on toyhouse to claim :]

[kaiserouo]

can i get on his shoulder if im being annoying enough

[itspileofgoodthings]

I go off about Catholic/christian religious influencers of all kinds and I do so for many reasons but one of the main ones is just. the feeling they’re selling (and it is a feeling and they’re selling it, even if just for views) it doesn’t feel like that for everyone. That whole simplistic set-up of struggle struggle struggle, breakthrough, clarity, emotional peace, tears streaming down the face. That’s not real. Or at least it’s not real much of the time in MANY cases and even when it is real that isn’t the only part or the most important part of having a relationship with God. It’s probably the least important part, the feeling. and so it fills me with RAGE when the emotional part of religion is sold and packaged and paraded and presented on Instagram as “inspiration”! it distorts the whole reality of a relationship with God and puts a literal and figurative Instagram filter over the whole thing.

[despairforme]

Okay, but why the fuck isn't he being prioritized?

[schellis]

Two new gijinkas of Flight Rising dragons for sale :]

Both for 3kg on AH (treasure/mixed accepted, let me know in the forum or by PM), links in the reblog :D

Edit: October 1st, 2023: Ignis has been sold! Opal is still up :] Edit: October 8th, 2023: Opal has been sold! Thank you both for giving them good homes :D

[do-not-forget-the-llama]

Can I interest anyone in some fine gheggs on this most joyous of occasions?

[crownedinmarigolds]

Special Sale - Friday/Early Saturday Only!

**These are sold out for now! I may re-open again when I have some time! Thank you all for letting me practice!** Hello~! So after some thought, I would like to move away from using Photoshop for my art due to Adobe's terrible business practices. Even if they change their tune, the fact of the matter is they're untrustworthy with their users' data and will probably try again. So I've purchased Clip Studio Paint, but am still working through it and trying to figure things out. I definitely can't fully transition over until I get it all together, so for a while I'm going to need some practice! I am doing a little request sale! For $9 I will do a little black and white sketch of your character to get the feel of the new program! I may add another tier or etc if I feel comfortable with slightly bigger and more complicated pieces. I do not have a good grasp of the program so I am not comfortable taking bigger projects on it just yet - if I did I'm not sure how good it will look. I will be taking payment exclusively through my KO-FI as it keeps good track of everything for me. BUT if you can only pay through another method, just let me know and I can work it out. At this time I am opening ten slots at a time! I may open more later! :D Related but also unrelated, my normal sketch commissions that I draw in Photoshop are also reopened! (I will let people know when I fully move over.) SO if you would like a little commission but don't want my messy new sketches, feel free to take a look. No pressure either way to anyone, this is just some practice for me! Thank you all so much!

This sale will at this time only take place June 28th (Friday), and some of early Saturday June 29th! I may do limits at a time and release blocks as I go depending on interest. I assure you I'm quick!

[catboykhudobin]

love you guys. we've still got the best fans in the league and the best commentators in josh and razor. even with everything seeming to go against us the boys still gave it hell and phenomenotter lived up to the monicker in net. this was a fucking wild postseason, and i really thought this was gonna be our year. its been real and im glad we all got to lose our minds together in this tag.

[toothpaste-for-the-skin]

World’s WORST Comp Player Throws the THIRD Scrim in a ROW! And more at 8!

[kagooleo]

while i'm online i'm scratching an itch that's been on my mind

i'm still new to this sort of thing but the first two options that get picked will likely be my starting focus (others will be likely to come later on!) or if you have any recommendations, let me know!

[virsancte]

good days aren't easy to come by

[chaotic-ace-arts]

🦇🖤Deadpool comic canvas art is now available for purchase🖤🦇

💀I fucked up, the reference I was using was flipped so now it looks off to me. I'm still proud of it even if I am missing a few details but it was good practice for skulls and the palette colours for bone. please be nice I know I should have spotted the flip but I've been tired💀

[maze-of-tones]

LIVE SOON! Figure Drawing from Imagination

BLACK WEEK SALE 28Nov. - 3Dec. 2024 for my 2nd eBook ILLUSTRATIONS: A Collection of Animal Drawings, Plants and some Doodles Amazon US SALE Amazon UK SALE