#sw wank for ts

[queermania]

Same anon, I also wanted to add that bodily autonomy IS inherently a Sam issue because there are so many instances in the text that has to do with something out of Sam's control. Being Lucifer's true vessel (which yes, Dean was Michael's and he didn't have control over that either, but that's not portrayed as much in the text because they WANTED the viewers to see Sam's struggle with his "destiny" because Lucifer is Lucifer, but it would have been nice to see Dean being Michael's vessel affect him more.) The demon blood was a violation, obviously. John violated both of his children's autonomy by trying to turn them into mindless soldiers. That's why it showed Sam get away, because it was showing a small portion of his life when he gained that autonomy back, only for Azazel and Lucifer to control his life again by killing Jess so that they could manipulate him into leaving the life he made for himself free of control. (Not to mention they controlled more than just Jessica's death. His best friend was a demon, his prom date was a demon, his teacher was a demon, etc etc. His whole life was meticulously planned out in a way that Dean's wasn't.) Then the Special Children stuff, then Ruby comes along, and as I explained before, violates his autonomy. That's why FINALLY in the season 5 finale, which as a reminder was supposed to be the end of the show, it portrayed him getting his autonomy back by taking control of his body!! It doesn't get any clearer than that!! His first words of the series are "Do I have to?" and his last are "You're going to have to make me!" This is his whole story arc of the first 5 seasons, regaining his autonomy and it was done so well. But then the next seasons go back to violating them again when he comes back soulless and his soulless self does a bunch of things to violate it, like sleeping with people and doing certain things Sam would never do. Then the whole Gadreel thing. (Which I wasn't as mad that Dean tricked Sam into bringing him back to life, but moreso that he manipulated him for months and Sam had a whole ANGEL living inside of him and Sam was losing time. THAT is violating his bodily autonomy on multiple levels.) Sure there are instances where other characters get their autonomy violated but none more than Sam's whose entire arc of the first 5 seasons involved it.

first of all, the show didn't only last for five seasons. it lasted for fifteen and everything that happened after season five is still canon. and my entire point was that just because the show sometimes frames it like sam has his autonomy violated more often, doesn't mean it actually happens that way.

being lucifer's true vessel is not a violation of sam's autonomy anymore than any other person being a potential vessel for an angel is. but even if you take that stance, you've already highlighted exactly why that's not specific to sam anyway. dean is also a true vessel, ergo...

i've already agreed the demon blood when he was a baby was a violation of his autonomy.

but again with john.. you've explicitly brought up an example of something that applies to both sam and dean. so once again, not specific to sam.

and if getting away was a restoration of his autonomy and dean didn't get away then i guess we can assume dean was having his autonomy violated while sam wasn't. soooooo... now it's specific to dean and not sam.

demons possessing other people is not a violation of sam's autonomy wtf. it's a violation of those people's autonomy. it's a fucked up thing that happened to sam, yeah, but it has nothing to do with his autonomy.

sam's last line of the series was "dean" because, again, the show went beyond the first five seasons and when i'm talking about the show, i'm talking about the entire thing.

sam's actions when he was soulless are not him violating his own autonomy??? literally WHAT?? but even if you want to use that completely unhinged logic, then that means at the very least that jack's actions when he was soulless were a violation of his autonomy, which again means it's not specific to sam.

i'm not arguing that gadreel possessing sam was a violation of his autonomy.

but again... just because the show made it a recurring theme doesn't mean it actually happened to sam with any more frequency than it did to dean (or cas).

[janiedean]

AAh yes the joint Poe stan and “He’s Han and Leia’s boy how do you expect me to hate him” Ben stan struggle of having the Poe side of fandom be full of antis who call for Ben and Ben stans’ heads at every opportunity and the Ben stans make bitter jabs at Poe because of how bad the anti presence is. A true “I can only tolerate five or ten people in SW fandom” experience

you about summed it up perfectly nothing to add but yeah exactly :)))))))

[empiregalaxy]

It’s really sad to see people desert and bash Rose Tico. I think Kelly Marie Tran is a lovely, talented performer and Rose is a character with alot of heart. To see her get this treatment and her own anti tag is just... kind of upsetting.

[cantinabandmp3]

i just imagined the pitching of this week's episode. "um, jack black and, uh, lizzo... are like, royals… on a planet with, ummm...battle droids. and, uh, doc brown….. also, remember count dooku?"

it really is just like the mcu too with how they bring in these big names to play these small goofy roles, expecting everyone to just laugh and go like "hey, i know that (insert celebrity) it's so cool, they're in star wars now!" instead of, you know... give them something interesting to work with.

also, what's this "but he's not mandalorian blood"? ancestry is suddenly important now?

din has become a side character in 'the bo katan show'. why did he even get the darksaber in the first place if they were going to just give it back to bo without any interesting conflict at all?

i don't know what to say. this episode was dumb and the only thing relevant to the overall plot happened at the very end.

[him-e]

"#this obsession with Accuracy is fun and all but when it comes to the appearance of characters who were played by real actors#it's just creepy and weird" i've wondered about that and maybe they intend their audience to suspend disbelief and pretend that these new shows were made at the same time as the original series? thinking about how janky and puppet-like they made the grogu cgi, like something from the 1980s workshop

They're definitely trying to do that - create a seamless continuity with the OT and completely immerse the viewer into the illusion. But while the old school / analog vibe of the special effects works wonderfully with Grogu (and creatures / set design in general), they're doing the opposite with Luke, and no matter how state-of-the-art the CGI is, the result is uncanny (other than vaguely morbid and unethical, because it's not an inanimate prop that they're trying to replicate accurately, it's the younger self of a real, still living and breathing person. That might be tolerable if Old!Luke were the main character, and Young!Luke just existed in flashbacks with a valid purpose or something. But Mark Hamill as he looks now is useless to them, yet they're going to any lengths trying to replicate every pore and hair of his 30-something self, because that's the Luke that sells, huh?)

the irony is that in doing so they've written themselves in a corner because this technique can be sustainable for short scenes but certainly not for an entire movie or 10-episodes show, and now that the fans got a taste of accurate-looking OT-era Luke Skywalker, it's even more unlikely that they will be okay with a recast. Yet recasting is the only viable option to create a new story organically developed around Luke and with Luke as protagonist. You need a spontaneous, nuanced, real performance by a real actor who can move and act freely, not an agonizing CGI process for every single frame Luke is in, that still looks goofy and uncanny when you look a little closer.

[samstiels-deactivated20201212]

idk why Disney even bothers with movie writers these days, like the cookie cutter formula is pretty apparent already

villain with no plan

plot full of holes

three seconds of background gays

a bunch of POCs being ignored

major battle

a major plot twist no one expects bc it’s unrealistic and/or stupid

faux feminist moment

the hero sacrifices themselves for greater good 

the end

[dying-suffering-french-stalkers]

Every day I'm gladder I managed to pull myself at least partway out of the online SW hype/wank machine

[sersi]

I know what post you mean by “THAT post”, i saw it yesterday and i was like... really? people are still out there thinking that about steve? it’s ridiculous tbh

people are free to think whatever they want but that take is very musty and didn’t belong in any of steve’s tags like it originally was 🤷🏽‍♀️😒!!

[anghraine]

wank

I’m still baffled at how Paige Tico’s death gets included in criticisms of SW’s female characters dying to forward a man’s story. You could argue that her death partly serves Poe’s story, but it’s obvious that it primarily serves Rose’s story.

I mean, that would entail treating Rose’s character with a modicum of respect, so.

[emperorren]

I know lots of Reylos want to dismiss these leaks as BS but I really think there’s some truth to them (definitely lots of overlap now between what different leakers said) and so far everything I’ve read points to a not very satisfying conclusion to the Skywalker saga. Rey has become the lone overpowered protagonist and Kylo has regressed to an incompetent villain, probably with a last minute redemptive act a la Vader in ROTJ. If anything matches with these leaks in the new trailer, we’re doomed.

I would really avoid reaching these apocalyptic conclusions because of vague, probably inaccurate, almost certainly incomplete leaks. 

If anything, the leaks sound encouraging re: bendemption not happening last minute. He’s supposed to actively team up with Rey against Palpatine, not stand there idly until he has this sudden redemptive eureka moment a la vader and then dies.

Also, Rey’s not THAT overpowered if Ghost!Luke needs to help her defeat Palpatine, am I right?

[ayrennaranaaldmeri]

no fence but like if you’re a grown ass adult man who took over directing a beloved franchise and bungled it, and can’t even take criticism?? that’s embarrassing.

[janiedean]

JKDHKJDSGHSDJKGSDJKGHDSJKHGDSJK GOD PLS DON’T LET HANLANDO END UP LIKE FINNPOE IS2G I’m gonna die

What the hell?

[samstiels-deactivated20201212]

Star Wars TROS spoilers

i’m so goddamn grateful that I didn’t let myself get emotionally invested in anything after the disaster that was Endgame because

Palpatine is the villain 

i’m not even kidding

he has a bunch of clone Snokes in clone tanks

Rey is his granddaughter 😂

so you know, that whole thing they did a million interviews on saying how you don’t have to be descended from someone special to be powerful like Rey? bullshit

also

someone had sex with Palpatine like what

he spends the movie basically talking shit to Kylo who doesn’t actually listen to him anyway

Rey is supposed to “balance the force” like Anakin did

Finn is “force sensitive” and that’s all there is to that

we literally don’t find out anything else about Finn bc apparently he doesn’t matter

another stormtrooper goes over to resistance so he’s not even the only one like, like let’s make Finn completely irrelevant 

Poe and Rey snipe at each other for no reason except bad writing

Rey has a yellow crystal saber now but no one bothers to explain how or where she got it

Rose is made completely irrelevant as well

Hux becomes a traitor not bc he wants to help the resistance but bc he wants to fuck Kylo over

he actually helps Poe and Finn escape, but then gets killed by Pryde

there’s a ton of "they astral project so hard that it kills them" deaths in this and it’s funny as hell

first order merges with the sith fleet to make *drumroll* Final Order

I don’t know if that’s funny or terrible or both

Kylo Ren “dies” half way through the film and he’s Ben Solo again

then Ben Solo dies giving his life force to Rey at the end

they kiss

the actual death is pretty hilarious apparently bc they kiss and then he just disappears, like this is gonna be a meme I can just see it

meanwhile Leia Organa who’s been dead and lying under a sheet for hours I guess was waiting for Ben to disappear so she can disappear at the same time

Rey buries Luke’s and Leia’s??? lightsabers on Tatooine and takes the last name Skywalker

there’s a whole thing about Leia’s lightsaber that comes off as an afterthought and makes no sense

but who cares I guess

and that’s literally the end, Rey alone on a desert planet

all the actual Skywalkers are dead

but Rey’s like I’m a Skywalker now

and then the movie suggests that she’s pretty much gonna live alone forever on this desert planet because God forbid she had a purpose aside from giving a meaning to a long-suffering now-dead white boy

oh and she has BB-8 because why the fuck not

everything else was written like a bad fanfic so why not that too

I’m laughing so hard

honestly I dislike r*los so much like can you imagine seeing a film that made three trilogies spanning over 50 years into a complete joke but then saying “it’s okay bc they kissed at the end” lmao

Palpatine’s granddaughter

chriST

I’d like to personally apologize to all the POC’s involved in this mess like we all thought this time would be different

what a shitshow

[sovietarchive-blog]

today is a day for reflection over romanticization of abusive relationships

[janiedean]

and this is the only opinion on this mess i’m reblogging thanks for the exemplary answer and op really needs to stop advocating bullying people based on a goddamned fictional ship thank you and goodbye

also for the love of god KELLY MARIE TRAN WAS HARASSED 50% BY FANBOYS AND 50% BY THE TUMBLR CROWD EXCEPT THE REYLO SHIPPERS stop lying about that already

john boyega, oscar isaac, and kelly marie tran endured years of racist abuse and harassment (mostly) from r*ylos. they were sidelined from a film series in which they were originally promised much larger roles. finn was advertised as part of the new generation of jedi in the marketing for tfa, a film with also set up finn, rey, and poe as the new trio. kelly marie tran had to delete all of her social media, and oscar has repeatedly stated that, knowing what he knows now, he would have asked for poe to be killed off rather than have himself and the character treated the way he was. so if john wants to “lash out~” or whatever, he has every right. disney doesn’t own him, oscar, or kelly, and if any or all of them want to say “fuck disney and fuck the people who harassed us”, more power to them.

grow up and realize that not everything revolves around your fictional ship and your white faves.

[anghraine]

sexyroguejedi replied to your post “wank[[MOR] I’m still baffled at how Paige Tico’s death gets included...”

I’m just annoyed that marketing implied she’d have more screen time than she actually did.

Funny, most people seem to wish she had less.