you know what, I actually will talk about this because it's bothering me. The issue with focussing so heavily on syd and carmy's potential for a romantic relationship isn't that there's something inherently unintellectual about romance or whatever, it's that a lot of people seem incapable of doing that without immediately flattening the story and ignoring or intentionally misreading any and all nuance for the sake of that romance. Every scene suddenly becomes about how it impacts their relationship, every analysis is done through a romantic lens, every frame or line of dialogue becomes about finding some easter egg or hint that "proves" these people should start dating. Their dynamic is absolutely a fundamental part of this show, but if you can only see it as a will-they-won't-they, you miss so much of what the story is actually trying to say with these two.
There are good versions of this story where their relationship is romantic and there are good versions of this story where it isn't, but as soon as you decide them being together is "the point," you lose the ability to actually judge the story for what it is, not what you want it to be.
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Personally, think the biggest byler evidence is the fact that Will is canonically in love with Mike.
Like, as a writer, why would they make that a full-on plot line in season 4 if they weren't gonna do anything about it?
Do people think the writers are like "hi! This is season 4! btw, Will is gay and in love with mike. We made a lot of scenes about it! It doesn't really mean anything, tho. It doesn't have to do with the plot... We just wanted to make those for fun."
Like, why byler if no byler????
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Irks me a little bit whenever Dean torturing in Hell is positioned as his own fault, or even really his choice to do. We get given the solid number, 30 years of torture for him and 10 inflicting it on other people (which was also more torture for him because it’s Hell, the torture evolves, it doesn’t stop), and we get told that wasn’t long enough. That John held out longer. That angels were going to pull Dean out of Hell and if he’d just held on a few years more, the seal wouldn’t have been broken.
But that isn’t true, right? We know Heaven wanted the seal broken, ergo Dean wasn’t getting saved until it was. Until it, and he, we’re thoroughly broken and usable by Heaven to achieve their own ends (ie to make him into a good (obedient) Michael sword.) So, it wouldn’t have mattered how long he held out in Apocalyptic terms because the game (that he didn’t know he was playing) was rigged against him.
But more importantly for Dean, the amount of time he managed not to break literally does not matter. Because it was never going to be long enough. Thirty years, forty, a hundred, a thousand, it does not matter how long he held out because the breaking itself is the unforgivable part to him and the breaking was always inevitable.
Anyway. There’s my Dean meta for the year. Eat up, I guess.
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Random oc thought: I think I mentioned before somewhere that Saiph was actually the one to like Al first. But it was when they were kids, and eventually Saiph is like "Well, if I'm going to be a boy, I guess there's no shot, so I should stop stressing and we can just be regular buddies" and then, like, 4 years later Al is like "I think I'm gay" and Saiph is like "FUCK- I mean I'm happy for you." through gritted teeth because he lost his excuse to not stress about it.
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