#thunder tnr

[thereweredragonshere]

Pleeeease redesign the other fucks from the nine realms.

Oooo this was such a fun little project! Not a fan of the nine realms which is pretty standard within this fandom, but I do like the uh. Vibe. Of some dragons. The designs are always a miss apart from like. One or two.

Starting off with Thunder - species Night light:

Thunder being so night furyish makes little sense if we’re taking Toothless being the last night fury as canon. Either that mother fucker had the strongest genetics known to man, or dragons live for hundreds and hundreds of years, which considering httyd likes its realism(sometimes), I doubt is the case for a species like the night or light fury. So, I made his design lean way way more into being a light fury, but still making it clear that he is actually a night light.

Also, didn’t include any of the weird fucked up ‘evolution’ to the tail/wings/earnubs, because little short from it being a birth defect or cross breeding with a non-fury dragon (Which genetically speaking is 99.99% impossible) is absolutely NOT possible at all. 1000 years is fucking NOTHING for evolution. Maybe you’d get a slight gene change or something but you are not getting anatomical shifts that fucking visible in only 1000 years.

And anyway, the evolution Thunder supposedly went through is so stupid?? What’s the point of his wings’ surface area being decreased?? He can catch marginally less draft with those shit fuck wings??? And his PROPORTIONS OH MY LORDDD. He’s just inbred I have no other explanation. And his stupid fucking snout. Pugification of the night light. And I’m not even going to comment on the stupid ass tail there is literally no point. Why did they give him an aeroplane tail. They took one of the most recognisable features of the fury species and just fucked it. He can’t fucking shift air flow and change direction with that shit oml😭

Anyway moving on before this post just turns into a tnr night-light rant,

Feathers!!! - Species Featherhide (how creative)

Feathers is probably my favourite design from the canonical tnr dragons. I’m a massive fan of the parrot theme they went with!!! But one gripe I have is that she does seem just a bit too generic. She has pretty colours and some feathers on her head and tail. But like. That’s it. They didn’t really do anything else with the chameleon crap she’s got going on (for those who don’t know, her species has the same camouflaging ability as the changewings).

So, I went a lot more traditional reptile looking with her, and added way more feathers and general details to her design. I did consider making her eyes chameleon like, but it ended up looking a bit off. I like to think she scampers around and constantly licks her eyes, even though she’s perfectly capable of blinking.

Next up, Plowhorn - Species Gembreaker

I love love LOVE the beetle thing going on with her wings!!. It’s just incorporated into the design in such an awkward way😭 There’s so much space Beneath the beetle shell and her back, which makes them look glued on.

Anyway for the redesign I leaned more into the rhino theme they got going on, tough skin and big chunky face horns. (By the way- the placement of the horn on her face is SO off putting and I can’t quite explain why. It’s just. ????. Why is she an extremely scaly unicorn that got the pug treatment???) and I gave her ears cuz her canon design looks insanely bald.

I also attempted to un-derp her a bit. Cuz. I mean fucking look at her bro that shit is NOT scary😭

Neeeeeext is Wu & Wei - Species Mist Twister

The eastern zippleback

I really like the idea of half blue half red on this guy (I think it’s a he?), it makes for a cool Fire and Water theme.

My main problem with the canon design is how forced the colours kinda feel. Hard red to yellow to blue with a slight fade transition. Come on guys, incorporate your colours into the design!

Their heads as well. They’re just. Not nice to look at. The ends of their noses are making me incredibly uncomfortable. They look like spoon billed borzois

Anywho, I really enjoyed designing those guys!! Maybe I’ll do some of the other tnr dragons in the future lol

[chameshida]

Haven't post it here yet but over the new year i painted Thunder model as a pet project! I'm really proud of how he turned out. Here is he with his great great peepaw and meemaw (official figure) as reference!

[local-dragon-haunt]

I SAW YOUR MERMAN HICCUP AU AND I AM OBSESSED

Made me think though about what if the dragons in a mermaid AU were different sea creatures. Toothless would definitely be an orca.

See me personally, I just figured I'd give the dragons the gills that they had in the books! That way I get my two favorite things: mermaids and dragons in one AU LMAO

It is funny that you mention orcas though, because I actually did a redesign of Thunder from TNR wayyy back when the show first premiered, and one of the iterations I fell in love with was this orca inspired design (which I then proceeded to do nothing with):

but yeah I TOTALLY fuck with night/light furies being whales of some sort. I still remember back when THW was first premiering and I was so convinced that Light Fury was gonna be semiaquatic bc...she just looks like!!!! A beluga whale!!!!!

Anyways uhhhh thanks for liking my merman!Hiccup au! You're a real one for that lmao. I have a WIP in my fanfiction folder for it that I hope to publish one day but I have like....200k words worth of other WIPs that I need to finish first LMAO

[otiksimr]

More biblically accurate Thunder redesign.

He's not a night fury. He's part of a Light Fury subspecies that adapted to the deeper, darker parts of the Hidden World, thus the darker/black-ish coloration. Some parts of the great-something-grandparents generations probably cross bred with Light Furies. Thus the white patterning and. Freckles.

Thunder was flying so close to the surface (the fissure) because the Fault Ripper was causing problems, effectively driving Thunder out of the caves and closer to the surface. So yada yada. Child and dragon meet. You get the idea.

[beebooca]

I completely forgot to share this screenshot redraw I did of TNR! featuring my redesigns for them <3

The original screencap is under the cut!

[howtodrawyourdragon]

When the Dragon Club first discovers about Jörmungandr's existence and how he's been locked away in the Dark Realm for the past 1,300 years, I genuinely thought that this episodes was going to be like one of those "oh, The Big Bad isn't actually the Big Bad, but just Scary And Misunderstood and we're going to find out that Hiccup was actually wrong about locking it away, teaching Tom that sometimes the people before us were wrong."

Then Thunder unlocked Jörmungandr's cage to save Tom's life, much to the horror of the Dragon Club kids, and the first thing that thing did was eat the Sky Torcher Buzzsaw brought. A really big dragon!

Just grabbed him by his neck, dragged him into the cage, and ate him.

You could hear the crunching noises.

Like Snotlout once eloquently said... Hiccup is always right.

[demhen]

when it comes to the flaws of TNR's designs, I feel like these are the main flaws. Thunder's anatomy is just... weird and I feel like he should be more like a light fury. Feathers needs actual feathers. those are scale-sausages, not plumage. Wu and Wei need knees, less bulbous snouts, and for their yellow scales to be made purple, I feel like the gold works better as an accent color. Plowhorn needs an ocular transplant because why does the dragon have human eyes. and Webmaster... his. his everything. his legs look so clunky and just kinda squished together.

So this is gonna be a long rant...

Thunder is a mess. He is probarbly the worst dragon from this show. I wouldnt even say because he has too much black because we are shown that the Hidden World is big in Dragons the Nine realms, now if you want to belive them or not is your decision seen as their are so many realms but they also are all near that one place in scandanavia (or north america... thats where the meteor seems to land in the opening sence.) So I can belive that their are more nightfuries in their. But if we go down the route of their arnt anymore... either nightfuries live long lives or the gene is just that dominate, or its really an inbreeding thing (which is canon John tellegren confirmed it)

To go more into it his entire body is a mess.

His head?! Weird, its a deformed nose. He always looks this smug even in the last shot that we see of him in the end credits of the last episode.

Why does this face move like that?! Its too much. And Thunder always looks like this. He is having too much facial expressions.

His neck? Its so... horse neck? Idk how else to descibe it. Seeing Thunder fly? It doesnt look good. Same thing with his wings. Why do they look like this. Also a cool thing on Toothless and the light fury was the aquatic thin after the wings, because it looked like toothless evolved from being a water dragon. But here? It too is weird. Thunders tail thin?... is that a trident? Thunder flying is also a nightmare.

One of the cool things about toothless was that it was really plausible that he could fly, at least he looked like he could. Thunder? He looks horrible and I am 100% sure that he couldnt fly if real.

Feather while she is the stead of the Queen has too few feathers I agree.

She also needs more colours! More feathers and more colours. With the rest of it I am actully fine.

Wu and Wei are a mess and when I am gonna redesign this I fear I will have to come up with an entire new dragon. I just dont like them.

The Colour scheme just isnt good. Also their mouths are too big and round. Also the wings look to be more of a water dragon and it doesnt look to be great at flying, but I can excuse that since other dragons that arnt nightfuries had this too. But why does this need to be a 2 headed dragon? I get that its to mirror barth and belch but why do that. One head that does fire and the other does water/ice?! I just dont like it very much.

Plowhorn also is a mess.

I like the bug wings and shell, what i cant get behind is the gems? That giant gem stucking out of her head... how does that grow? Httyd dragons were always great when they made sense in the real world (yes i know they are dragons) but that belivablity is what got me into the franchise. And a gem growing from her forhead? I just dont see how that can happen.

Webmaster.

He is also a mess. From the wings to the main body, the legs and the tail. I love the spider idea. I also have to assume that they used the silkspanners (a dragon form the comics) desigin. And put some wings on it and make the neck longer. (this graph is form the dragons rise of berk game.)

And while I get that the Dragon needs wings, because of all the exploration they do in the show. But why not just use another dragon all together?

What they tried to do i think is to base the dragons off the once form the HTTYD gang.

Thunder being Toothless

Feather being Stormfly

Wu and Wei being Barth and Belch

Plowhorn being Meatlug

And Webmaster... being...

I guess Hookfang doesnt have a counterpart.

TLDR: They are all horrible and I will redesign all of them for my TNR rewrite.

[pancakesmythie]

I made Thunder from Dragons The Nine Realms in Blender! This took around 3 hours, I kept trying to redo the wings but they still didn't turn out too nicely. I've been trying to improve my wings and texture painting on Blender. Not sure I got far with the wings on this one but the texture painting feels like an improvement. I listened to Dreamworks Dragons Legends of the Nine Realms soundtrack during all steps of making this model, I also made a handful of goofy renders of the little guy!

And here are some WIPs I screenshotted during making Thunder...

And finally the meme...

[cl0wnj0k3s]

the nine realms rewrite ideas

discover one of the dragon eyes, that somehow survived. And discover things that the previous riders never saw/found/ or looked into.

The researchers of the fissure actually do stuff. They’re threats to the dragons due to experimentation, capture, and probably more.

thunder and his family aren’t the only ‘nightlights’ seen, and they’re seen occasionally around.

the nightlights are light fury-skrill hybrids. And various other hybrids and mixes descended from furies.

Sand wraiths survived, and are seen in the main show. Maybe not a ridden dragon, maybe a dragon battled, saved, or having an amount of screen time at all.

[artaintfartwarriors]

Design update for Thunder

[thereweredragonshere]

I pretended that The Nine Realms is canon for a bit and gave the inbred a re design

Thunder they did you so dirty you could have been so cool🙏

Also hey hi hi my hand is better I can draw again

[chameshida]

Some Night Light skin Mods I made

[zoomzooml]

Fan redesign concepts: Sky Torcher & Flame Thrower

not much changed tbh

The mafia of TNR. I do not have much to say about them tbh.

Sky Torcher is a rather typical eastern dragon. I tried to make sense of his her coloration, so in my world these dragons camouflage for volcanic ash.

Sky Torchers have insane tolerance for heat and will nap and rest at the bottom of the lava/magma lakes, only their snouts poking out if anything at all.

Now Torchie has a dewlap she displays when intimidating her opponents. It will glow orange when she's charging an attack and attacking with fire. I replaced the tiny wings along her tail with just a long sail, which doesn't look very unique but not that awkward, I think? I'm trying to keep as similiar to original as possible lol

Torchie is a big girl

Flame Throwers. I do like their design in most part.

My biggest issue with them was their legs (which they share with a lot of other dragons native to TNR). The legs of the dragons in HTTYD were always one of the most distinctive things for me—they do not have long fingers. Most of them have a foot with nubs for fingers and impressive claws. So when a dragon has long fingers, it looks kind of out-of-franchise for me, if that makes sense? There were some exceptions, like Submaripper, who didn't have claws at all but frog-like paws instead, but my point stands imo lol

My Flame Throwers have bigger tusks that they use mostly for display; their bite force is actually very weak. They do, however, have VERY hot fire. Like they can stand toe-to-toe with Deadly Nadders, maybe even best them.

They're vaguely Thunder-sized

Symbiosis

Symbiosis of these two is kind of similar to the one between burrowing tarantulas and frogs.

Sky Torchers like to be hot, too hot for their eggs to bear and survive; therefore, their nesting grounds need to be at least a bit away from adults' perfect chill spot. But eggs are a very nutritious snack and easy to get when a parent is napping a bit away. Especially given the fact that most egg-eaters are much smaller, it is easy to not notice them from a distance or fight them when trying to not harm eggs.

Some Sky Torchers sacrifice their comfort and stay in colder places until their young hatch, doing their best to intimidate any possible annoyances, and some get themselves bodyguards—Flame Throwers. Flame Throwers will protect eggs from thieves in exchange for food and protection from bigger dragons.

For plot, Torchie and her gang will try expanding her territory (quite aggressively) for more prey as she is preparing to lay her eggs

[otiksimr]

This is by far the most unfaithful 'redesign' I've done so far. But that being said, I don't call myself a butcher for no reason.

I don't enjoy how TNR brings back dragons from the original series, as it's set far, far into the future the fact that those species still exist and are practically unchanged is well, weird to me. The fact that NIGHTLIGHTS still exist is also extremely odd to me, as they are a hybrid species they should be long gone due to the fact that Nightfuries have been long extinct (Toothless is an outlier).

This redesign is mainly just me having fun tbh. That's what most of my redesigns are. it's less what the og could've done better and more what I would find more interesting as a concept. There's quite a few tidal class dragons in the HTTYD franchise, yet there's not really any that are a 'main rider dragon.' This is one part appreciating Tidal class dragons and one part an ode to the book series.

[f-angy77]

Thunder family time skip

Another headcanon connected to the end credits of TNR.

I'm working on a more extensive family tree.

Thunder's babies are inspired by the end credits of the series and Thunder's mate is inspired by a Night Light from the game.

[pyromaniacldrt]

Welp, I tried.

I may have bever mentioned it, but I'm a Httyd fan to the core, and the hiperfixation is back and it hit me like a bullet train.

So, after going berserker and watching a RoB marathon, I remembered Nine Realms exists, and yes, it gave me the ick, but I decided to try it out.

You see, I dont like hating things, I need a VALID REASON to actually hate something or at least feel that my hate is acceptable.

Add that with my desire to expand the httyd lore and marvel myself with ANY content, ohhh boyy-

So yeah, so far I've seen season 1 and I'm on chapter 3 of season 2, and to be honest? I expected worse, although that show has already done a LOT of damage to my heart.

Like, wtf is THIS????

It's just there. Staring at me. Evil thing.

I literally searched "httyd ugly unicorn thing" and this EMBODIMENT OF THE WORST THINGS ALIVE showed up. There's no way you can tell me that thing is "cute", it's EVERYTHING but CUTE! I also really hated Jun on that episode, but even more the writers. How can you compare something like KILLING in SELF DEFENCE with bringing ducking SATAN to the human world because "I love unicorns??" Girl not even my eleven year old sister would do something like that and she LOVES unicorns. Also, did I forget to say she never apologised? Like, just joked about the incident and acted like Tom was the one in the wrong? What kind of message is that writers!?

On another note, I really like Tom's mom, is the only caracter that seems to be her own person in the entire series besides Alex, hope she doesn't turn out bad or anything.

Which brings me to my biggest problem with this series: It's not its own thing. The literal second episode is just a compilation of parallels between Tom &Thunder and Hiccup & Toothless, and I hate it. "Oh look! It's just like your favorite dragon riders, they are so similar! They are descendant of Hiccup and Toothless, so it's just like seeing them reflected in them! It's the same! Come and let us take your money!!!"

This show is doing everything at its power to be "just like httyd", when it's not: It's a whole new scenario with a interesting concept with the whole ICARUS thing (even though I'm sure they just copied that from Camp Cretaceus, given with how much tnr relies on its own creativity) as well as the one-season mysteries, the semi-likeable teenagers which is asking a lot in media, and a huge chance of LORE EXPANDING (my fav thing everrr) and this show could be SO MUCH BETTER but they just stick with creating parallels and showing how this spin-off is just identical to the other shows and it's exactly the same and ARGGHHGGGHHH-

Let them have their OWN UNIQUE BOND so that we can like them BECAUSE they are TOM AND THUNDER and NOT BECAUSE THEY RESEMBLE HICCUP AND TOOTHLESS. Let me like the rest of the cast BECAUSE WE GOT NEW RIDERS, not because they are all the NEW RIDERS WE'VE GOT.

I want to like this show, I really do, but it's getting harder every time I click the next episode, because there are so many lost ideas, plotholes and terrible designs (which I dont usually complain about, I never minded the character design of any media until this show), that I just pray to myself that the next chapter will be better, because I'm not sure what to expect will ruin my day or make it harder for me to watch.

But I want to be an informed hater, or even perhaps a unlucky enjoyer, so I'll keep watching, and I'll try to undertand why so many people hate it, and justify the few who love it.

Pyro Out.