#timoliver

[fox-guardian]

hey guys did you know that um. did you know. first of all did you know i'm losing my mind, secondly, do y'all remember in tma how when someone reads a written statement, they don't really Stop unless they're interrupted? and they read the whole thing easy cheesy, no issues with reading whatever words are there? like. jon literally could read french for a whole statement and was Fine. granted, that's Jon, but like nobody else struggled with pronunciations and whatnot (that i can recall)

presumably, this is an eye thing. either as employees of the institute, or because everyone there is just also eye-aligned in some degree (melanie had the ghost hunting show, the eye is fond of martin, etc)

and then there's tim in season 3 ep 86

[Sigh] Statement of… uh, Benjamin Hatendi… Hateendi? Regarding a… [papers rustling] a blanket. Dead friend. Monster. Regarding his unavoidable and gruesome end. How he tried to hide. He couldn’t. Statement is from… 1983, March 2nd. And I guess… [long sigh] I guess I’m doing this one. Tim Stoker. Archival assistant… Archival prisoner at the Magnus Institute.

correct me if im wrong but i don't recall anyone struggling with pronunciations before this bit. but that's not even the biggest thing here, that's just a lil Taste, a lil Flavor.

note the phrasing there. "Regarding his unavoidable and gruesome end." why would he say this when the written text on the statement says this:

Uh, right. Benjamin Hatendi’s account of… [rustling pages] oh for… a, a strange encounter. Er, statement date, March 2nd, 1983. Melanie King recording. Apparently.

"a strange encounter". that's it. nothing about an unavoidable death, just a "strange encounter". Tim Why Did You Say That.

why would our dear timothy bimothy, who is being pushed to the brink, who is becoming rapidly more depressed and losing hope, say this?

this isn't the only time he's said some weirdly grim shit tho (ep 104)

There was never really any hope for me, though, was there? This was how it was always going to go.

and then there's this bit from elias apparently having Looked into tim (also 104)

TIM All right, hit me with your X-ray eyes then, boss. What do you see? ELIAS Disruption. An unpredictable, angry man with nothing left but the desire to feel in some way revenged. TIM [Sarcastic] Ooh, terrifying! Surely only magic could have let you see so deep inside my very soul.

"nothing left" but the desire to feel revenged. and tim doesn't dispute this, because it's true.

when he first joined the institute he did so in order to look for answers about danny, but then he stopped seriously looking. and now that the circus is back, this is all the drive he has left. not looking for answers, just wanting revenge. closure. an end, if you will.

this is Literally It For Him. a couple lines later he suggests elias kill him, he's At The Breaking Point.

he is so tired, he's lost all hope, and he's saying all this grim shit about "unavoidable death" and "this is how it was always going to go" like hmmmm sounds familiar doesn't it. DOESN'T IT (<- is going insane)

(ep 11) [....] despite the rapid response of the paramedics and how much of his medical history I had immediately to hand, there was nothing I could do to save him. (ep 11) I have no responsibility to try and prevent whatever fate is coming for you. Based on my previous experience, such a thing is likely impossible anyway,[....] (ep 121) There. That was it. That was our fate; where we would always be.

hmmmm sounds a bit like oliver huh? everyone's favorite ex-accountant avatar of the end?? right??

but then there's this last bit i have from ep 86.

why did he stop reading the statement

Statement. “My parents never let me have a nightlight. I was always afraid, but they were ju–” Ugh, this is stupid.

why did he do that. again, correct me if im wrong but when else has someone just Stopped Reading like that without someone or something else interrupting them? why could tim just stop himself?

my theory is this: at this point, tim is completely gone from being aligned with the eye. he no longer seeks to know what happened to danny, he just wants closure. he doesn't wanna do any statement work, and he keeps mentioning these tidbits about hopelessness and the inevitability of terrible events, specifically death.

the eye isn't compelling him to read the statements like it does the others, because it doesn't have as strong a hold anymore. the grip is slipping from him. and by the time the unknowing rolls around, maybe it's lost him for good. maybe he finally fell into a different power he never meant to serve, and yet, he does.

and maybe. just maybe. because i'm so not in denial. but MAYBE. he did die in the unknowing. but maybe he got better.

basically end!tim truthers rise up, this is how end!tim kayaking with his bf oliver banks can still win, etc etc I'm Going Feral <3

[catboymoments]

Olden town scribbles from today and yesterday and some plot ideas

[pocketsizedquasar]

saw you call timoliver end avatars 👀? what's your idea of an end!tim :0?

YES I HAVE IDEAS!! (mentioned in the tag of @fox-guardian ‘s lovely timoliver art here)

Ok so full disclosure i’ve actually written an end!tim fic for @corvidszines entity swap zine; just waiting on the zines to actually be delivered out so i can post my fic !! which im very excited to post!!! BUT some thoughts tm that went into it:

- a lot of s2-3 tim is like . very much tim resigning himself to his own death as an inevitability and as smthn that he can’t avoid, no matter what he does. it’s that good good depression tm

- i think he walks out of the unknowing an end-eye avatar. the main cast doesn’t know tim survived until the eyepocalypse though. his fear type of thing revolves specifically around the fear of Watching people (particularly loved ones) die and being unable to stop it — what he went through with danny, and then with sasha. that very stifling and helpless feeling of knowing you’re watching something awful happen, Watching someone u love die, but ur unable to do anything to prevent that inevitability. it’s always coming. all you can do is Watch.

- in the eyepocalypse, jon and martin stumble across tim’s domain and find out he survived (well. died but he got better <3) and after reunions and emotions statement etc etc the three of them make their way to the panopticon together but that’s neither here nor there

- timoliver end avatar boyfriends <3

[possumsquat]

oliver and tim are just hanging out in the corpseroutes while the rest of the world burns dw abt it

[biolliam]

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[fox-guardian]

[ID: A digital drawing of Oliver Banks and Tim Stoker on a pink background. Oliver is a thin black man with dark skin, locs half pulled into a bun, and eyebrow piercing, a lip ring, stud earrings, and cartilage piercings. He is wearing oval glasses on a chain, a red t-shirt, gray boxers, and white crew socks. Tim is a mid-sized Latino trans man with light brown skin, a lilac side-shaved mullet, a small goatee, body hair, and a cut in his brow. He is wearing rectangular glasses, a purple t-shirt, aqua boxers, and dark purple socks with lighter purple toes. Tim is sitting cross-legged and is holding a game controller in one hand, and Oliver is sitting behind him, leaning into him as he hugs him from behind, squeezing his middle and reaching for his chest under his shirt with one hand. Tim holds that arm with his free hand, and smiles as Oliver kisses at his neck. "Comfy?" he asks, and Oliver replies "mhm~". end ID]

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happy tim stoker tuesday have my rarepair being cute and gay

[fox-guardian]

may i ask who ur personal favorite oliver ship is 👁️ (and may i also suggest, unrelated, for ur consideration: gerryoliver, simply to rotate)

gerryoliver is EXCELLENT we love goth4goth.

as for my crackship, as i said it is very predictable for me BUT I HAVE MY REASONS SO HEAR ME OUT

[ID: Two colored digital doodles of Oliver Banks and Tim Stoker smiling and holding hands. Oliver is a thin black man with dark brown skin and his locs half pulled into a bun. He has various piercings and oval glasses. Tim is a shorter, mid-sized Latino man with light brown skin, a cut in his brow, plug gauges, rectangular glasses, a small goatee and body hair. They are posed the same in both images, and the background is a warm pink, with bulleted lists next to each of them.

The first image shows Oliver pre-avatar and Tim during season one, and they are labelled as such. Oliver's hair and eyes are completely dark and he is wearing a dark grey button-down, light grey cuffed jeans, dark grey socks, and grey dress shoes. Tim's hair is a lilac mullet with the sides shaved and his eyes are dark dots. He is wearing a lilac and purple striped shirt, a purple cardigan with aqua cuffs, and dark trousers, shoes and a watch. The bulleted list next to Oliver reads "gay that can do math, goth, sleepytired, kiki". The bulleted list next to Tim reads "bi w/ reading comprehension, Mr. Frizzle-core, more energy, bouba".

The second image shows Oliver post-avatar and Tim post-s3 as an End avatar, and are labelled as such. Both of them have slightly greyer skin and white pupils. Oliver's hair is longer and white, getting darker towards the roots, he is wearing a dark cardigan and darker turtleneck underneath, dark grey cuffed jeans, black socks, and black dress shoes. Tim's hair is shorter and brown with grey streaks, and he is slightly thinner with burn scars on the side of his face and one of his arms. He also has pale hole scars on all visible skin. His entire outfit is just a darker version of the one from the previous image, only his shirt is now dark purple with a skull pattern on it. The bulleted list next to Oliver reads "nihilistic for over a decade now, super undead, gets more goth, still sleepy". The bulleted list next to Tim reads "growing nihilistic for years now, super undead, spooky Mr. Frizzle, GREAT pillow". end ID]

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the thing is, is that i enjoy both of these flavors of timoliver for different reasons.

the first one is cute and sweet, very much a sort of "oliver isolated himself due to his Dream Torment and tim is trying to break him out of his shell and also kiss him so much" and their contrasting vibes are so Fun while the other one is basically "Oliver Visited Tim In The Hospital Too After S3 And Now Tim Is An End Avatar And They're Goth And Dramatic Together"

and yes i am an end!tim truther and no i do not have a more clever shipname for them. help me <3

[fox-guardian]

Timoliver is a ship that I love that I believe the fandom needs to talk about more (I do not care they’ve never interacted)

tim "this was always how it was going to go" stoker meeting oliver "that was our fate; where we would always be" banks like "hey do you wanna kiss"

and again, depending on when in the timeline they meet, you could have the bright and colorful, joyful bf and the duller tired bf dynamic (at least relative to each other) or the "we are both so fucked up and hopeless but fuck it we ball" dynamic and it's just lovely.

they bond over their family losses. they bond over having loved ones taken by the not!them (after oliver has a crisis over that whole thing because He Didn't Know That Part). they bond over. love of aminals. (they get at least two pets together)

[catboymoments]

moar olden town stuffies.......... slowly developing this universe and im very excited about it

[fox-guardian]

just opened google docs wanting to write a new fic and am confronted with 2 wips i Completely Forgot Existed

[fox-guardian]

i've been slowly picking away at this one timoliver comic, and while i may post the full thing eventually if i finish it, i'm tempted to just Write It since i have ao3 now and just like. post the comic wip when i post the fic link to tumblr

[fox-guardian]

idk if anyones asked u this but what's ur fav rarepair in tma ? and or what's the headcanon that u will defend to the grave

im not sure if this is more of a rarepair or a crackship but. jondanny asjldadhlshd I JUST THINK THEY'D BE CUTE TOGETHER mostly as a qpr tho, since i like to imagine that they dated and then split because danny is aro. either that or the equally ridiculous timoliver

and headcanon?? huh. either bee danny (i completely made it up but it's too far to stop now) OR on a more serious note, my headcanon of danny still being alive at the unknowing. it's a small thing and doesn't change the greater story but it adds Flavor and also it's supported by the text so. yeah <3

[fox-guardian]

Purely because of your timoliver post i have decided that, in my fanfic, tim went on a few dates with oliver before danny's death. making it so that tim unintentionally knows Gerry, who is under a different name and is oliver's roommate. Gerry is literally the single most important character their actively searching for in the current chapters, so this is hilarious to me.

But also, for your consideration:

Oliver, while dating Tim, sees Danny in his dream with no face or some other rare tendril mark, and he can't decipher the way it happens before it actually does. Cue angst.

Sorry for rambling about my fic but you have very good ideas, thank you

alsjskaksks you're welcome <3 also Where's The Fic Can I Read It Pretty Please <3 <3 <3 <3

[possumsquat]

there’s only two canonically attractive men in the magnus archives and i think they should kiss