#tros opinion

[astranauticus]

shoutout to the experience of watching the new hbomberguy video, a bit like being at a party and having fun until about exactly halfway through when someone shoots you in the stomach

[sunshinedottv]

Babe wake up, TRO dropped a new video!

[fandomsofrandom]

I just watched the latest video from the right opinion on YouTube (the one about the try guys) and I instantly subscribed. I know I’m a little late, but I think this guy‘s content is really solid. Anyone else watch the new release and have thoughts they’d like to share?

[coollyinterferes]

//so...i'm just learning about some BL comic where one of the characters looks like this

and turns out that he's also apparently some gang boss (he's in his mid-30s, so like.. 10-ish years older than PB!Speebs), and he's also tall and buff too?????????? The lighting here doesn't really show it, but he appears to be blond in almost every other colored pic I've seen (his hair curly/wavy)

[unfortunatish]

TRO fanart :]]

[yourfandomfreak]

I feel like we forget that the original trilogy wasn’t fully planned out from the start, but it came together because of 1) George Lucas and other creators, and 2) in my opinion, a lot of luck

I know it wasn’t happenstance, but it wasn’t this meticulously planned story from the get go.

and expecting a new trilogy to “work” the same way a third time is tempting fate. I’m all for some unplanned details, but I feel like by the end of the sequels, they threw everything at the wall hoping it would stick, and none of it did. they expected it to sort of come together at the eleventh hour, and well, it didn’t

[dykeredhood]

Kylo Ren’s scar should’ve been much more pronounced

when there is a crisis (Vice-Admiral Holdo) you tell people the plan or at least assign out jobs so everyone can keep occupied with something to do to help out while a plan is being drawn up

Phasma was criminally underused, she’s big and combat trained and [loud & frantic droid beeps drown out what I’m explaining I want to do to/with/on her complete with hand gestures]

would’ve been fucking nice if Luke & Rey bonded over being desert kids

Luke should’ve taken the fucking shot and killed baby Ben when he sensed the conflict in him

Billie Lourd is absolutely a nepotism hire and she has no acting talent

freeing the racing critters was great but wow could we have freed the slave children? Especially since Finn was there???

[jessiestarkillz]

Star Wars fans: I know it’s been a while since the new trilogy dropped.

I personally really really liked them. And I really like Rey as a character.

I know lots of people think she is a Mary Sue— I have gone through their points time and time again and compared her to Luke, and to other characters in other movies.

I don’t personally think she is a Mary Sue because I think all of her strengths are plot justified, as are the ways that Luke behaves on Ach To training her (but this is just my opinion, I know many people hated Luke’s arc too).

Am I wrong ? I don’t think I am. But so many people (particularly men) LOVE to shit on Rey as a character when to me, she is just a really cool hero with cool powers, who does go through an emotional struggle/hero’s journey. I know the new trilogy’s writing has a ton of flaws, but it really sucks having something you love be considered so un-cool— it makes me feel like I’m delusional or doing something wrong by liking “bad writing”.

What are people’s honest opinions? I’m willing to hear both sides, it’s just been on my mind a lot lately because it almost feels like depicting powerful women is this horrible thing to so many people… or to enjoy something everyone else has unanimously agreed is “bad” is a crime. I think of myself as an objective person but I just can’t get behind their arguments.

I want to hear other people’s takes (specifically from women and nb people, as I hear a lot of takes from men. Even if you disagree I want to know!!)

[thereprisesystem]

yall remember that t//e//am pi//na//t/a di//sso//cia//d/id shit that was fucking crazy. literally left a CRATER in the youtube DID community

[lesbians4scully]

cant stop watching tro + jaubrey Help Me i live internet Stuff and their vids r always So good

[emeraldspiral]

You know, I remember both before and after TLJ dropped people were calling Reylo "Space Pride & Prejudice" but there was one person I recall who said right after getting out of the theater "We were wrong. Kylo isn't Space Darcy, he's Space Rochester" and they were totally right.

Like, P&P really doesn't have that much in common with Reylo. P&P is about misjudging people. Lizzie rejects Darcy at the midpoint of the story because she's had a bad impression of him the whole time and the sudden revelation that he's in love with her does nothing to improve her opinion because Darcy's still clearly communicating that he thinks poorly of her rank and relations and remorselessly sabotaged her sister's relationship with Bingley. By contrast, Jane Eyre is madly in love with Rochester by the story's midpoint but rejects him because there's no way for them to be together without compromising her integrity.

It's easy for Lizzie to reject Darcy because she doesn't like him at all, but it takes Jane tremendous strength to resist temptation and leave Rochester. Rey clearly likes Ben by the end of TLJ. She wouldn't have confided in him, touched his hand, and FedExed herself to the Supremacy if she didn't already like him, and is clearly devastated to have to say "No" when he proposes to her. She even explicitly states in TROS that she was tempted to take his hand. But she didn't, because she would've had to compromise her morals to be with Ben while he was still on the Dark Side. Just like Jane, Rey is someone who's always craved love, so the hardest thing in the world for her is finding her soulmate, only to have to tear herself away from him just when happiness is within her grasp.

[ncfan-1]

I’ve largely avoided news about the upcoming Star Wars movie regarding Rey. Anyone who was around when TROS comes out knows how I feel about it, and since I can’t remember if I ever said it out loud, I’ll say it now: TROS tainted my experience of the entire Sequel Trilogy. I have never watched any of the ST movies again since I watched TROS in theaters, not even TLJ, which in my frank opinion is stronger than TFA and TROS combined. I… I’m not sure how to feel about the Rey movie.

Just based on my memories of TROS, I can’t view the Sequel Trilogy as anything but Rey’s villain origin story. By the end of TROS, she is immensely powerful, most likely the most powerful Force user left alive in the galaxy, and on the same token, intensely isolated. Her relationships with Poe and Finn seem markedly strained; she doesn’t seem especially close to either of them. The one person she felt understood her is dead, and moreover, he died saving her life, which is such a can of worms where guilt and trauma is concerned. Who does she have who she can really confide her troubles in? Who does she have whom she can really lean on? She seems almost totally unmoored from the community she is ostensibly a part of, her ties to her friends superficial at best.

Moreover, she’s reverted back to a more extreme version of her getup from TFA and kept it at the end of the movie, suggesting that she’s regressed emotionally in some way. She certainly seems to be in deep denial about all of the traumatic things that have happened to her and all of the traumatic revelations she’s learned over the course of the three films. The fact that she latches on to ‘Skywalker’ as her new identity signals that she isn’t at peace with her own past and heritage, that she hasn’t addressed and resolved her own feelings about where she came from and who she is. She hasn’t addressed or resolved anything.

And then, to top it all off, we end with Rey in a spiritual wasteland, where her only companions are ghosts and a droid with the emotional maturity of a young child, and the movie leaves it extremely ambiguous as to whether Rey is only on Tatooine to visit, or if she intends to set up shop and live there. It all gives me an extremely ominous feeling about where Rey’s journey is supposed to go next. Maybe she doesn’t become a full-on villain, but unless her upcoming movie devotes a huge chunk of time in the beginning to having her actually work through everything that happened to her and everything that she learned, instead of just sinking further and further into denial about everything, Rey being remotely well-adjusted in that movie is going to come off as so tonally dissonant to me.

Like I said, she doesn’t have to be a full-on villain, but where I would naturally expect to see Rey next from TROS is to see her as a liminal figure, someone who doesn’t really seem to belong anywhere, morally ambiguous, at least somewhat perilous. I could see her as something like a trickster figure. I could see her as an antagonistic force. But as prospective grandmaster to a new Jedi Order? Nah. That makes no sense tonally, based on where we last saw her. Yeah, I know there’s supposed to be about fifteen years between TROS and this film, but the huge time skip isn’t going to be enough to make up for the tonal gap. Not for me. I’ll watch it when it comes out, but I’m not sure how well it’s going to sit with me.

[antianakin]

@theneutralmime

I've gone over a lot of my thoughts on the sequels in my responses to the last two asks you've sent me about them, so I'm going to skip ahead to my thoughts on Luke at this point since I think my feelings on the Sequels in general are pretty clear. I'm glad you enjoyed them, but I've seen the entire trilogy through twice now and I WAS trying to be more generous the second time around to see if my opinion would change and it uh. Didn't. I still don't like them and I still find them a massive mess of squandered potential.

Luke's quotes about the Jedi in the sequels (which are really ONLY in TLJ, he never has anything bad to say about them in TROS) are pretty clearly intended to be seen as symptoms of Luke being traumatized and letting that pain and loss and fear consume him to the point that he's placing the blame on an easy target rather than actually acknowledging what happened and how he feels about it and the part he played in it. Luke in TLJ is hiding from his fears, hiding from his own reality, refusing to step up and do what needs to be done and face his own mistakes. So he turns to "the Jedi were weak and need to die" as a way of basically excusing the choices he's currently making. He's not RIGHT, the things he tells Rey aren't TRUE, and that's the whole point behind his arc in TLJ. His last words are to say that he won't be the last Jedi, and he's clearly not upset by that, he says it like it's a TRIUMPH, which indicates that he no longer believes the Jedi need to all die out. Even earlier, he's upset about losing the Jedi texts, indicating that even though he was arguing for the Jedi to die and about to burn them himself, he didn't ACTUALLY believe any of those things he said or want the things he said he wanted, he was just desperately trying to convince himself that he did because it was easier than doing the emotional work of facing what he'd done wrong.

I will say that I think this was a ridiculous and foolish arc for Luke to even HAVE, I think it's unfortunate that most of Luke's screentime in this trilogy is dedicated to him bashing the Jedi and blaming them for their own genocide, and I don't think that the storyline is handled very well in general. But the point of the story IS that Luke is wrong and the Jedi SHOULDN'T die out, so, you know, credit where credit is due here.

Getting into your question about the Jedi, though. I THINK you're asking me what the Jedi actually DO. Which, fair question, it's not something they discuss very much in the films or show (and the show is focused on them during war which makes it harder to figure out what they'd normally be doing during peacetime). I imagine there's a LOT of things the Jedi probably did before the war, it wasn't one job that they all did. But the general idea I got is that the Jedi work as a branch of the Republic Senate that can be called upon to provide aid like treaty mediation and conflict resolution for planets and systems that ask for it. I'll list off as many examples as I can think of where we see Jedi doing work that isn't related to the war in high canon.

In TPM, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are sent to try to NEGOTIATE with the Trade Federation about the blockade of Naboo, but they end up having to quickly adjust when the Trade Federation tries to kill them and sends in armed forced to INVADE Naboo.

Once that happens, their primary goal switches to getting Naboo's leader to Coruscant so she can make her case and plead for aid directly to the Senate because it just became a LOT bigger than two Jedi could actually do anything about.

In AOTC, it's mentioned that Obi-Wan and Anakin just got back from some kind of border dispute.

In TCW, Obi-Wan mentions that he spent a year on the run with Satine during the Mandalorian civil war, presumably called in by Satine's father to just... protect her until the war was over and Satine could take up peaceful leadership or something.

In TCW season 7, Trace and Rafa sort-of imply that the Jedi used to do a lot more work ON CORUSCANT to help poorer people on the lower levels.

Also in TCW, we hear that the Jedi once managed to basically overthrow the Zyggerian slave empire, something the Zyggerians still hold against them.

In TOTJ (if we choose to take that as canon), we see Dooku and Qui-Gon sent to help resolve a dispute where a senator's son has been kidnapped by his people (Dooku ends up siding with the kidnappers when he realizes why they did what they did and how corrupt the senator has become).

In AOTC again, we see Obi-Wan and Anakin act as bodyguards for Padme when an assassin comes after her.

We also routinely see the Jedi doing their own investigations that seem completely independent of the Senate, like Obi-Wan going off to find Kamino and Jango. When he makes his reports, he is clearly reporting directly to the Council, not the Senate or the Chancellor. During TCW, we see Plo Koon, Obi-Wan, and Anakin get involved in an investigation into the clones' creation and Sifo-Dyas's involvement in it and reported death, something that clearly isn't being run by the Chancellor or the Senate.

So what do the Jedi do? They keep the peace, whether that means acting as a temporary bodyguard for a planetary leader, taking down slave empires, or negotiating treaties and conflicts of varying kinds. Presumably, before Palpatine took power, the Jedi had enough time and independence that they were able to do a lot more work of their own that didn't necessarily directly involve the Senate, too, which could be anything from investigating corruption in the galaxy to providing aid and services to the poorer populations on planets in the Republic.

I don't think it's made clear whether the Jedi actively SEARCH for Force sensitive children or if they're just so established as a group that they're often MADE AWARE of Force sensitive children by parents calling for help somehow. That list they have of children is of presumably people whose parents have said maybe or not yet (rather than parents who have firmly said no) because I believe Mace refers to the holocron as the future of the Order. These are children who could potentially become Jedi or who are PLANNING to become Jedi but whose parents wanted to wait a year or something. This doesn't indicate to me that the Jedi actively sought them out, but that these were probably children whose parents sought out the Jedi themselves when it became clear their child was Force sensitive. We see something like this happen in TOTJ when Ahsoka disappears off with a massive wild cat and comes back RIDING said wild cat and the entire village is made abruptly aware that she's Force sensitive and meant to be a Jedi. If the Jedi come and confirm those suspicions, but the parents are uncertain or just explicitly ask for more time, the Jedi seem inclined to give it to them (up to a point, presumably, they obviously usually don't accept kids over a certain age so they can't wait forever).

The reason the Jedi have that rule about training children early is because the Jedi lifestyle requires certain sacrifices that can be difficult to adjust to if you weren't raised in it. For a lot of people, their friends and family are always going to be their first priority because they care about them more than any random stranger. And this is totally fine, this is natural and normal. The Jedi cannot do that, though. They can't prioritize the people they care about above their duty to the galaxy at large. This is the promise they make by choosing to be Jedi and it is generally incompatible with the promises you make to people like spouses and children (this is for a myriad of reasons like the amount of time a Jedi would have to spend doing work vs being with their family and the ways this would ultimately impact their relationships with people who are relying on them). The Jedi have to be willing to sacrifice the people they love for the greater good if it becomes necessary. And while the children who are raised among the Jedi can still ultimately decide this lifestyle isn't for them and walk away from it (and can do this at any age, even after they've made their oaths and become an adult), it's a lot EASIER to life this way if you ARE raised in it from a young age and don't already have a bunch of connections with other people to overcome.

This is why Anakin struggles so much. He was raised with his mother until he was nine and so he has this connection with her where the two of them were always going to be more important to each other than anybody else. That's just how that relationship worked and that's fine. But when he became a Jedi, Anakin had to stop thinking of his mother as more important than anybody else, and he CAN'T. He ultimately abandons his duty as a Jedi, his duty to protect Padme, in order to go protect Shmi because Shmi is more important to him than anyone else. Had Padme gotten assassinated as a result of him abandoning that duty, it could've had some repercussions for a lot of people, but Anakin DOES NOT CARE because Shmi is more important. And of course, we see him then make the exact same mistake with Padme herself after Shmi is dead. He prioritizes Padme above everyone else because he legitimately just CANNOT live any other way, he CANNOT not prioritize Padme more than everyone else, ESPECIALLY when she is his wife, and he ultimately is willing to sacrifice the Jedi, the clones, and the Republic to save her.

We even see him blatantly TELL Padme this in TCW where he says that ideals are important, but they'll never be more important to him than how he FEELS about Padme. He clearly tells Padme that he EXPECTS her to prioritize him as her husband more than once, something Padme usually TRIES to push back on but ultimately usually capitulates to. Even Padme ends up getting jealous and upset once when Anakin can't stay the night with her upon returning from the war because he has to go make a report to the Council. Padme and Anakin have clear expectations of each other as husband and wife that seem to be in contradiction to what their respective careers require of them that cause them distress in their relationship more than once.

Anakin struggles with this and my personal interpretation of Anakin is that he'd ALWAYS have struggled with this because he wants to be able to prioritize the people he loves, even before it gets to the point where he's willing to murder millions of people to do it. His desires are just incompatible with the way the Jedi choose to live, but if he'd been adopted by the Jedi before he was old enough to really make that kind of connection, he'd have had an easier time managing that because he just wouldn't necessarily have ever HAD those kinds of desires. He would've grown up learning about love and family in a very different way that would allow him to prioritize his duty to the galaxy because he WANTS to prioritize his duty to the galaxy and no one person would be more important than that. But in canon, Anakin WANTS to be able to prioritize the people he cares about, more than anything else this is what he wants. And he wants those same people to also prioritize HIM in return (it's one of the reasons his relationship with Obi-Wan is both one of his healthiest ones, because Obi-Wan refuses to do this and expects the same of Anakin, but also one of the ones most easily discarded and replaced because Anakin knows that Obi-Wan will never give him what he wants).

So yes, it's GOOD that the Jedi insist on training their children early because it helps them be better Jedi with fewer struggles, even as they always keep the door open for their members to make a different choice as they grow and change if this life isn't one they want to live still. It's why they let Ahsoka walk away after the Wrong Jedi arc even though they also brought her into the Order when she was young. Being raised a Jedi gave Ahsoka a really great foundation, but things changed as she got older and she ended up deciding she had to leave the Order, even if temporarily, to figure out some things for herself and manage her mental health. The Order was happy to support her no matter what she chose, whether she chose to leave or stay, and would've supported her if she'd chosen to return, too.

The Jedi take children whose parents give them up so they can have a better life, they take children who might not HAVE parents anymore, they take children whose parents don't WANT them, and they give them a wonderful supportive life that gives them incredible amounts of education and resources so they can live their life in service to the galaxy and the Force, using their abilities to help others. They provide the children they take in with everything they could need or want to be able to live a happy, healthy life, whether that life ends up being as a Jedi in service to the Republic and the Force or not.

There's also what's been called like a "call to destiny" that the Jedi have, where becoming a Jedi is, in some ways, a destiny for them to fulfill. But much like Anakin's prophecy, it is choice they have to make, not something entirely predestined and chosen for them. The path is THERE, and it calls to them, but they can absolutely ignore that call or misunderstand it or have circumstances keep them from it. But it means that nearly everyone who becomes a Jedi makes that choice because they hear and feel that call to this destiny and have chosen to ANSWER IT. Helping people, serving the galaxy, this is what they were meant to do, and they know it and find joy and satisfaction in that knowledge.

So when the war starts, they obviously know something has gone wrong, they've known it was going wrong for YEARS, at the very least since Maul popped up as the first confirmed Sith in 1000 years, but they are 10,000 people (and whether this number referred to only those Jedi that were in the field and the actual total was much higher or whether this was in fact the ENTIRE TOTAL of Jedi is unconfirmed, but either way they're a small group so the point remains) in a galaxy of TRILLIONS. People have done the math on what this would mean adjusted to the population of the Earth and it's like expecting a church group of 70 people to somehow solve the whole planet's problems. There's only so much they can do. So while they're very cognizant of the growing issues in the Republic even before the war starts, they can only put out so many tire fires at once. Once the war DOES start, they're immediately required to try to put out this one raging wildfire and all the other regular tire fires have to go by the wayside until the wildfire is dealt with. So what are they doing? They're putting out the damn wildfire as quickly as they can with as little loss of life as they can and just hoping the rest of the galaxy can keep itself together long enough for them to DO THAT.

I don't even necessarily agree that they should've been "more involved in politics" because, quite honestly, they seem more aware of how bad things are getting politically than ANYONE ELSE IN THIS STORY (aside from the dude making the situation worse to begin with). It's the JEDI who are actively arguing with the Chancellor about not sending them to war and saying they're not supposed to be an army, it's the JEDI tracking down Kamino and Geonosis and figuring out some of what's actually happening there, it's the JEDI who continue to investigate that even while the war is going on and actually figure out that the clones are a Sith trap, it's the JEDI who ultimately figure out Palpatine is too corrupt to stay in office and then actually DO something about it before anybody does. They might not be active politicians, sure, I'll grant you that, but they're very very clearly aware of what's happening politically and are responding to it more than anyone else we ever see. I'm not sure what more they could've done besides, like, BE politicians which clearly just isn't the role they want to play in the galaxy anyway and wouldn't be good for the kind of work they want to do.

A lot of people like to say things like that, that the Jedi should've been more political and whatnot, but what would that actually have accomplished? What could they have done if they were "more political" than they were already doing? At BEST, the Jedi might be able to get a representative into the Senate and provide one more person capable of speaking out against the Chancellor and the corruption in the Republic, but Padme at a delegation of 2000 Senators with her that were apparently willing to at least recognize Palpatine's corruption and that STILL wasn't enough to stem the tide. One more politician wasn't going to make that big of a difference. So could they have been more political? Yeah, sure, they could've more literally been politicians I guess, but how does that help them more than what they were ACTUALLY doing? Would this somehow have prevented Palpatine from enacting Order 66 or starting the war at all? Or would it have led to the same conclusion no matter what they did because the Jedi's genocide wasn't about the choices the JEDI were making at all?

[reylogirlie]

“When do you think Rey and Ben fell in love?”

My Answer

So, I feel like this is a common topic in the Reylo community and maybe even Star Wars community. Some argue it starts in TFA, others say the TLJ, some even think there aren’t any real feelings till TROS. Here’s my opinion, which might be a bit common, but I’ll explain why

So, it’s my personal opinion that Kylo/Ben developed a crush on Rey by the end of TFA. Not any feelings of love, but a little crush. Rey, on the other hand, feels slight physical attraction but hates his ass and wants to end him. I’ll elaborate on that;

Here is when they first meet. Frankly, he was not expecting “the girl” to be remotely close to what he finds attractive. You can tell he was charging at her but when he got a better look, his voice softened. And, ya know, he carried her as if she were his damn bride.

So at this point, Kylo feels attraction but not a legit crush. Rey’s scared for her life, clearly.

Now I’m not gonna go too deep into the integration scene because many others have analyzed that and you can find it easily on here. But to put it simply, Rey got much better treatment than Poe. Now, Kylo does go into her mind without consent, and learns about her life; she’s lonely. She’s scared. She’s desperate. He relates to all of this, so he becomes more fond of her. He even comforts her (in his fucked up way) and tells her not to be scared. He also learns she has the force and tells Snoke of this eagerly.

Rey, on the other hand, has NOT taken a liking to him. She does, however, notice that he’s not hideous under the mask. (As does the rest of the audience) Further down the line, the two engage in a light saber duel and Kylo is extremely impressed by Rey’s natural talent and offers to train her. She denies his offer; despite all this, Kylo is mesmerized by her from her looks to her story and feelings to her abilities. He has a total crush but isn’t love by all means where as Rey sees him as a monster.

So by the end of TFA Kylo/Ben has a crush and Rey prays for his downfall.

So let’s jump into the start of TLJ; specifically, when Kylo/Ben is having force connections with Rey. He’s excited to see her at first but she won’t have it. Every time they connect Rey treats it like torture where as Kylo acts as if the force made his day. This is until he tells her what Luke did to him. This is when she starts to see him as less of a monster and more of a human. Sees he’s lonely and hurt just like herself. Rey then confides in him, tells him her darkest thoughts and fears, and instead of teasing her like “you came to me” or something, he tells her she’s not alone. Then they hold hands and see themselves together:

Ben is past his attraction/crush phase; he is now fully in love with this woman. It’s not just her looks and ability, it’s the fact he sees himself in her and they can trust one and other. This is the moment he’s willing to turn on anyone for her, even the First Order. As for Rey, she doesn’t hate him anymore: she understands Ben’s story, she sees he feels the same way she does, and no longer sees him as the enemy but as a victim of the enemy. Not to mention her attraction to him only grew (😏) but she doesn’t resent it anymore.

This is the very moment they fell in love. This is when they became devoted. Ben went from attracted, to crushing, to in love. Rey went from hate and begrudging attraction, to crushing, to in love. This is when they came together as they were meant to being a force Dyad.

So my short answer: Ben and Rey mutually fell in love during the hand holding scene from TLJ. But the physical attraction definitely started prior. And Ben caught feelings first. Just my opinion though.

What do you think, I’m curious.

[thescarletsith]

Just popping in to post some Ben Solo *nonsense* after over-analyzing episode 5 of Ahsoka.

Don't mind me.

Ahsoka, episode 5 spoilers coming up (sort of, I guess).

Okay, so, Ahsoka was drowning, correct? Like, she died, basically (we are going to say she did for the sake of my *nonsense*). And for whatever Star Wars reason, upon drowning, she goes to the WBW, faces her past and her fear, then she leaves the WBW and is back in the ocean. That's cool, I dig it. That's an opening if I've ever seen one.

Can we agree to say that perhaps Ben did actually (per 29773 fanfictions, mine included) vanish into the WBW at the end of TRoS to face his past and fears? Perhaps also with Anakin himself there to guide him? I think we can agree on that. Which means after Ben learned his lesson, he woke back up on Exegol and he is fine, alive and well.

Really hope there's this mystery character in the Rey movie that wears a cloak and keeps their face covered, but is an ally to Rey and helps her from a distance throughout the movie, then eventually it's revealed to be Ben. After watching Ahsoka, I don't think Rey having to go and find Ben is a thing that needs to happen like most fans have discussed/wanted. I think he really just woke back up on Exegol and went into hiding for a bit.

Anyway, I enjoyed diving back into that. Leave me your hopes, dreams and nonsense for Ben Solo below. And if everything I just said is already a popular opinion, I apologize for making you read something you've read before. I haven't really been in too deep in the Star Wars Fandom as of lately. Life been busy :(

[canonmisogynyvictimstournament]

PROPAGANDA

IRENE ADLER (BBC SHERLOCK) (CW: Lesbophobia)

1.) Ooh, she's a woman, so she got to be sexy seductive sultry sexy lady! And in love with the male protagonist even though she's gay. She got so nerfed compared to her short story version! She doesn't outwit Holmes like she does in the book, she gets saved by him and she's gotta be in looooove.

2.) awesome woman who outsmarts Sherlock holmes in the books turned into a lesbian dominatrix that mysteriously falls in love with Sherlock and gets outsmarted then rescued by him

3.) I don’t mind the sex worker thing; it’s a reasonable cultural translation decision in my book. But the character’s defining trait in the original story is that she beats Sherlock Holmes, and the BBC Sherlock creators were plainly too in love with their genius to let that pass. And the way she loses? She lets her emotions get the better of her in the end while he’s too rational to show such a womanly human weakness. Barf.

LEIA ORGANA (STAR WARS)

1.) In A New Hope, her main purpose is to be rescued by Han and Luke and then to comfort Luke over Obi-Wan's death even though her entire planet had been destroyed literally the day before. The sequels mostly see her as an extension of Luke. She names her son Ben despite (when the movie was written) having no established relationship with Obi-Wan and calling him "Obi-Wan" the only times she'd ever said his name on screen. Ben was the name Luke knew him by. His last name is Solo even though Alderaan is canonically a matriarchal society and she'd have good reasons to want to pass on her last name as the last living member of her family and one of the few Alderaanian survivors of a genocide. Her lightsaber was also buried with Luke's on Tatooine because that was where Luke grew up and where his family history was, even though the only time she personally was on Tatooine was when she was enslaved there (in a golden bikini), and the canon books made it clear that Leia didn't have or want any connection to Anakin. Rey takes the last name Skywalker when Leia was the one who trained her and whom she had a connection with, and again, Leia's last name was Organa. In TROS, Luke says that Leia stopped training as a Jedi because she had a force vision about her son (not yet even conceived), even though there was already an existing canon reason that made sense for her and had nothing to do with needing to stop training to be a mother.

2.) metal bikini. that’s it. (jk there’s so much more. the way she’s sexualized is just so icky and she just HAS to have a love interest apparently. she’s more competent than most of the other characters but she never really gets her own chance to shine. in the main media her character is never explored outside of her relationships with men)

3.) Leia is more than a piece of meat. In my opinion, she is a badass bitch who needs more screentime and story. I really loved her more over her brother Luke and her lover Hans.