#unevidenced

[mortalityplays]

sorry but everyone else has the punchlines handled so I am going to be a broken record: do not let high emotions, low info, and narrative compulsion make you a soft target for conspiracy grifters. it does not help. it does not end well.

remember, even entertaining baseless hypotheticals out loud passes them on to your followers. get on the disease model of unevidenced conspiracy: mask up, do not be a vector.

[utilitycaster]

I think we need a return to 2000s-era "word of god is a cop out" attitudes. Like... it's one thing if someone clarifies something supported by canon or adds character details in interviews, and but like. Even before jkr revealed herself to be horribly transphobic we were side-eyeing the "Dumbledore is gay I just never wrote a single word indicating that in the text" statement and now people will be like hello creator could you confirm my crack ships and unevidenced headcanons as if that means anything.

[kayvsworld]

it's my personal unevidenced belief that your average stark-brand starkphone lasts a decade+ on average and has indestructible nokia reputation and is easy to self-repair and the company's like "tony that's not sustainable financially. tony we need to release a phone every year" and he's like "i can't make it bad. i tried it but it gave me hives. i can't make bad tech it gives me hives" so it's just like that. it has a 5 day battery life it's recycled when you trade it in it doesn't need a case. it comes with iron man themed notification sounds. apple who

[feminismisstillahatemovement]

In 2017 I interviewed Bernadette Wren, then head of psychology at the Tavistock Gids clinic, and asked what effect puberty blocking drugs have on the adolescent brain. Looking highly uncomfortable, she replied that the evidence so far was only anecdotal but that the clinic would study its patients “well into their adult lives so that we can see”.

Even back then, before whistleblowers had exposed the rush to medically transition children, it was alarming to hear that heavy-duty GnRH agonists such as triptorelin — used to treat advanced prostate cancer and “chemically castrate” sex offenders — were being prescribed to arrest puberty in hundreds of children as young as 11.

Moreover, they were being used “off-label” before any clinical trials. And the long-term study Wren promised never materialised: Gids (the Gender Identity Development Service) routinely lost touch with patients, and the 44 it did follow reported little long-term mental health improvement.

This shocking chapter in medical history, where the ideological objectives of trans rights campaigners trumped the welfare of disturbed children, is coming to an end worldwide. The decision by NHS England effectively to ban the prescription of puberty blockers comes after the Cass review noted these drugs could “permanently disrupt” brain development, reduce bone density and lock children into a regime of cross-sex hormones requiring life-long patienthood.

NHS England unites with other national health services including those in Finland, France, Sweden and, most notably, the Netherlands — where the “Dutch protocol”, a regime of early blockers then hormones, was devised in 1998 — in pulling back from prescribing them.

Even in the United States, where a toxic combination of extreme activism and medical capitalism has pushed child gender medicine to grotesque extremes, with double mastectomies performed on 14-year-old girls, there is some retrenchment.

Leaks from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, the body which formulates guidance on “trans healthcare”, reveal doctors perplexed at how they should explain to an 11-year-old child that drugs will render them infertile. Crucially, liberal media such as The New York Times are now reporting grave medical misgivings about child transition, once dismissed as a culture-war issue for the Republican right.

Yet the question remains: how was this ever allowed to happen? For years, puberty blockers were cheerily billed as a mere “pause button”. In 2014, Dr Polly Carmichael, the last head of Gids before the Cass review ordered its closure, went on CBBC in a show called I Am Leo, saying of blockers: “The good thing is, if you stop the injections, it’s like pressing ‘start’ and the body carries on developing as it would if you hadn’t started.”

The BBC permitted her to make this unevidenced claim to an impressionable audience of six to 12-year-olds. Imagine hearing this as a developing girl, freaked out by your new breasts and periods. No wonder Gids referrals subsequently rocketed.

Carmichael failed to mention that she did not know if pressing “restart” on puberty is always medically possible — it is not — and in fact, almost every child Gids put on blockers went on to irreversible cross-sex hormones.

After years in a Peter Pan state while their peers developed, they understandably felt there was no way back and forged on with treatment. Yet if allowed to experience natural puberty, almost 85 per cent of gender dysphoria cases resolve themselves.

Nor did Carmichael tell CBBC kids that the blockers-hormones combination, if taken early enough, not only results in sterility but kills the libido so that a young person will never experience an orgasm.

At the 2020 judicial review brought by a former Tavistock clinician and Keira Bell, the brave young detransitioner rushed onto hormones by Gids, judges expressed astonishment at Gids’s lack of an evidence base.

Reporting on this issue for seven years, I too have been struck by a complete clinical incuriosity. Not only was data not collected, but those who queried treatments or pressed for evidence faced angry condemnation. Perhaps activists knew what research might find because one long-term Finnish study, recently reported in the BMJ, destroyed the myth used to justify blockers: that a child will commit suicide if denied them.

The Finns found that “gender-affirming care” does not make a dysphoric child less suicidal. Rather, such children had the same suicide risk as others with severe psychiatric issues. In other words, changing bodies does not fix troubled minds.

Yet even after NHS England’s announcement, activists refuse to heed the now-overwhelming evidence. In its response, Stonewall persists with the myth that puberty blockers “give a young person extra time to evaluate their next steps”.

Many questions remain unanswered: will private clinics still be permitted to prescribe puberty blockers; and is Scotland’s Sandyford child gender clinic still determined to close its ears to all evidence? Plus, we have few details on how the NHS’s new “holistic” treatment for gender-questioning children will operate when it opens next month.

This repellent experiment — in which girls who like trucks or little boys who dress as princesses, and who invariably grow up to be gay, are corralled inexorably down a road towards life-changing treatments — belongs in the book of medical disgraces. As do the cheerleaders who raised money for Mermaids and those who persecuted whistleblowers or damned journalists asking questions as transphobic.

In 50 years, chemically freezing the puberty of healthy children with troubled minds will be regarded with the same horrified fascination as lobotomies — which, never forget, won the Portuguese neurologist Antonio Egas Moniz the 1949 Nobel prize.

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[transgenderer]

its not hard to justify an epistemology where personal revelation has precedence over patterns in sense-experience, this has been done to death, empiricism is a useful choice but it is a choice and you can reject it at will. but im perpetually unsatisfied by epistemologies that value *other peoples revelation*. like, *your* revelation could reveal truths to your truth-organ (which is also what you use to evaluate empiricist claims) directly. but other people's revelation is just like, some thing a guy said. he could be lying, or wrong. people say falsehoods all the time.

so it seems to me any "revealed wisdom" tradition has to be an *instruction* set, rather than a set of truth claims. or like, it can contain the truth claims. but it should also tell you how to verify them by undergoing the same revelatory experiences. and the part where they say certain events happened in the distant past shouldnt be important basically at all. unless the mystical revelation experiences give you visions of those distant events i guess? this genuinely confuses me about religion. like. people know about lies. even if you believe in god, i dont understand why you would place great importance on poorly-evidenced (i mean, not unevidenced, just poorly) events that happened 1000+ years ago. there are events i think probably happened 1000+ years ago on kind of weak evidence but those events arent like, significant to me, it would not be a big deal if it turned out they were false. cuz i believe them weakly

[txttletale]

The "callout post" also calls you antiblack with no evidence whatsoever

i mean that could refer to many things. in february this year i did say some awful shit! it was pretty wretched of me, i was wrong and confidently (arrogantly, even) so. as a result i talked down to Black women, including Black trans women, who were approaching me in good faith & that was shitty & racist of me. i apologized for it at the time & have openly addressed & acknowledged it a bunch of times since, most recently this very month. if someone's still mad at me about that, like, fair enough, don't blame em!

if it's unevidenced it could also refer to all sorts of outlandish shit, like when i got called antiblack for saying 'usamerican' or for acknowledging the basic economic realities of anti-imperialism or that time someone ran a harassment campaign against anyone within five degrees of separation of a trans brazilian blogger on here.

either way tbqh i think it is beyond cynical and grotesque to bring up that completely unrelated incident when baselessly accusing me of pedophilia.

[darkmaga-retard]

We live in a world where oligarchs accumulate land, use their media assets to denigrate natural foods and invest in fake alternatives. On the other ‘side’, wealthy professionals calling themselves freedom fighters travel the world and the internet insisting we should eat organic and local. Meanwhile, the food security of many of the eight billion-plus of us remains at the mercy of the weather, diseases and insects. Neither side offers a viable solution or much benefit for many beyond themselves.

An increasing realisation of the corruption and greed that drives much of our New Normal is motivating a growing movement for self-sufficiency. Local sourcing of natural-grown foods is coupled with denigration of big agribusiness and industrialised food production. Incoherently, it is also often coupled with claims that those backing the big agribusiness enemy are aiming for depopulation, while the way in which small-scale agriculture will feed the world’s growing population is left unexplained.

From the comfort of big jet planes made in huge factories, it is now possible to gain likes by posting photos of the organic and rather cute livestock we left back home. These can be supplemented with pictures of the Thai rice, Costa Rican coffee and Mexican avocados from our favorite brunch spot. This approach to food and agriculture is a hobby, and a good one. But the world cannot support eight billion such hobbies.

The other side of the agriculture coin has also been doing us harm: an obese population in rich countries with declining life expectancy, fat on industrial corn syrup, seed oils and other unnatural metabolism adulterators, coupled with declining physical activity. Nor are we benefiting from unevidenced claims that diets including meat or raw milk will somehow restart an age of plagues. Or that humans should transform themselves into insectivores.

[brainrotbutobsessed]

Building off my post about Gale's Autonomy it is my firm (unevidenced) belief that Gale's final relationship and possibly interactions overall with Mystra were changed in light of the team running out of time.

I believe that Mystra was originally intended to take a more adversarial role in Gale's story. But as the deadlines neared they needed to fully drop most of it to give him any kind of ending in time for release. I am not certain what the true intended ending would have been but I suspect keeping with the themeing present in EVERY other companions stories it would be a more meaningful breakaway from her. But for release they had to make their relationship more palatable to justify his return to her service. Which is why a lot of the characterization of their relationship was dropped after EA.

(Also goes without saying but people who use Mystra’s actual FR lore as some kind of gotcha are purposefully ignoring that Larian played pretty fast and loose with the lore. They had a story they wanted to tell in a world that had background but they didn't treat the source material as immutable as people pretend.)

[lavenderfeminist]

Do you think Sexual Orientation OCD is a real thing, or are people who claim to have it and develop "false attraction" because of it bisexuals in denial?

I’m not a psychologist or person with OCD, so I don’t have any kind of experience to make a call on that. But I can say it makes sense to me that in a society where being same-sex attracted is othered/stigmatized/worse (which to a a certain extent will always be true, since gay people make up a tiny percentage of the population) there would be

A) Straight people with a deep, unevidenced fear of Being the Other or of suffering the way gay people have, spurred on by mental illness and a disorder that is know for intrusive, unwanted thoughts.

B) Gay people with deep, unevidenced paranoia that they are not exclusively homosexual (just like every aspect of society is constantly telling them) and that all of the hardship they have faced as a result of this was unnecessary, spurred on by mental illness and a disorder that is known for intrusive, unwanted thoughts.

My college roommate had OCD, and struggled in particular with intrusive thoughts. Unlike what Tiktok pop psych would have you believe, intrusive thoughts are NEVER things you want to do; that’s what makes them intrusive. You can’t “give in to the intrusive thoughts”; they are things that are horrifying, repulsive, and shameful to you, that you never want anybody to know about because you are afraid of what they will think their existence says about you. They are not evidence of what someone truly wants; they are evidence of debilitating mental illness. There is plenty of evidence that people can have intrusive thoughts related to unwanted sexual behavior, and sexual behavior that is disgusting and repulsive specifically *because* it is outside of the realm of your sexuality is inevitably a part of that for some people.

TLDR: Yes, I think sexual orientation OCD is a real thing, if rare, and I don’t think it’s a productive use of my time to target or question people suffering from extreme mental illness when there are an abundance of mentally healthy people shitting all over the LGB community as it is.

[walkingstackofbooks]

Too many DBIP feelings! #2

Part 1: Richard's insecurity over Julian's enhancements Part 3: Amsha's manipulations Part 4: Their 'apologies' Part 5: Their disregard for Julian's wants

Part 2: Richard's arguing tactics

It managed to surprise me, somehow, how it really is Richard instigating the arguments, with Julian making sarcastic reponses for as long as he can before he resorts to yelling. In both conversations, however, once Julian starts shouting it's made to seem like he's the one being unreasonable. And honestly, I don't think it's an overstatement to call it gaslighting.

In the first conversation, when Julian storms out, Richard calls after him "No, let him go. He can barely stand to be in the same room with us!" - implying that there's no good reason why Julian should want to leave (there is), and that it's Julian's fault for getting angry with them, rather than being based on their actions. He also repeatedly twists Julian's words, making them into attacks against him, implying that Julian is selfish and thoughtless ("We could go to prison, Jules. Have you ever thought about that?") in a way that's either completely unevidenced -- or, again, dismissive of any grounds Julian might have even if it were true. (RICHARD: You don't trust us? AMSHA: He didn't say that, Richard. RICHARD: No, but that's what he meant, isn't it? You think we're going to slip up, say the wrong thing, get us all in trouble.)

Later on, when they're discussing what they're going to do about the reveal, Richard tells Julian "You'd better change that attitude right now if you want to hang on to your career!" and "Well you'd better grow up right now or you're going to lose everything!". At this point, Julian's made it quite clear that he doesn't want to go through the courts, yet Richard insists on continuing to portray this as something Julian needs to do for himself, rather than something that Richard wants to do. And Julian calls him out on it -- "You mean, you're going to lose everything"... But how many arguments did he have to try to fight as a child before he learnt to spot Richard's blame is misplaced?

Other rotten implications in this scene:

the idea that Julian's being childish for taking the decision to resign form Starfleet rather than fight any judgement that came his way (it's not);

that even his "gifts" don't make him as clear-sighted and smart as Richard (gah, see part 1);

and through it all, again, that he's the one being unreasonable.

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

By: Kathleen Stock

Published: Apr 14, 2024

It is a cliché that when the US sneezes, the world catches a cold. Thankfully, when it comes to the phenomenon of wokeness — loosely understood as a box set of holier-than-thou attitudes about race, gender identity and sexual minorities, with accompanying punishment beatings for dissenters — many now appear to be reaching for the antivirals.

A friend of mine who teaches in a famous North American liberal arts college, full of achingly cool rich kids, tells me her undergrads are “so over” pronoun rounds, eye-rolling whenever staff try to introduce them in the classroom. Taste-making East Coast broadsheets are dipping nervous toes in the water on subjects such as unfair male advantage in women’s sport and the experimental status of medicalised child transition, having avoided or spiked such stories for years. The once ubiquitous hashtag #BlackLivesMatter has fallen out of favour with many, after accusations that the founders of the namesake organisation misused donations and enriched themselves.

Meanwhile in Britain, football players taking the knee are an increasingly rare sight. Organisations such as Sports England and the Arts Council are quietly exiting Stonewall’s Diversity Champions scheme, and the once-ebullient charity no longer feels confident enough to advertise the list of members on its own website. Free speech societies are forming with renewed vitality in British universities; and last week even saw those bellwethers of middle-class humour, the blokes on Have I Got News For You, pluck up courage to make a tentative joke about gender identity flags in NHS hospitals.

So can the rest of us — the ones who knew all along that wokeness was a pseudo-progressive hobby for guilty rich people, role-playing as meaningful political action — relax? Unfortunately not yet. For I’m afraid the demise of woke won’t be like the end of toothbrush moustaches, indie folk music or any other temporary behaviour supercharged by the whims of the young and the hip, then dropped without consequence. Wokeness, in contrast, is a bit like a hulking great boulder launched into the middle of a calm lake: waves will be crashing on the shoreline long after the epicentre bears no trace.

The most obvious difference between wokeness and other passing fashions is that nobody working in HR ever decreed that moustache-wearers or indie folk-listeners be considered uniquely oppressed minority groups. In contrast, thanks to wild and unevidenced claims made at the height of wokemania by lobbying groups, thousands of organisations have been left with unfair, illiberal and sometimes even illegal policies that blatantly cater to the special interests of a few: rules about how social spaces can be accessed and by whom; what data can and cannot be collected; what conversations are allowed and which are not. Policies tend to dictate organisational behaviour long after those who first championed them move on ideologically; and especially when propped up by a raft of specially created career positions, whose occupants have a financial interest in maintaining the momentum.

And alongside such policies, superficially moralised gestures have become embedded in many workplaces, embraced by senior figures for no better reason than they think everyone else is doing it too and by junior figures because the boss is doing it. Students at liberal arts colleges may no longer be listing their pronouns but the head of MI6 currently has his in his Twitter/X bio. Activist-sanctioned holy weeks and days are carefully observed by blue-chip managers. Hospitals, construction sites, police stations, council buildings, banks and hotels are festooned with the visual monstrosity that is the Progress flag. None of this happened with the craze for platform shoes or Agas.

In effect, the storm-surge of wokeness throughout British institutions from 2020 onwards was what the political scientist Cass Sunstein has called a “reputational cascade”: a relatively small number of people started acting in a certain way, each for roughly independent reasons; then at a certain point, a wider group of people started observing the behaviour of the smaller group and copying them, each privately assuming their reputations would be damaged if they did not. Before long, this pattern expanded exponentially, helped by the odd bit of public witch-burning.

Here again is a difference with more benign aesthetic crazes: if you don’t keep up with the moral version, you risk losing your social circle or even your job. But the reputational cascade that was wokeness didn’t just deter dissent from those frightened to swim against the perceived tide. It also incentivised opportunists, who actively used the surging tide to swim further ahead than their competitors. Many organisations latched on to it as a positive marketing strategy, thereby creating workplace structures and habits that, from the inside, now seem very difficult to unpick.

Perhaps, though, we shouldn’t be too gloomy. For of course, the existence of a reputational cascade doesn’t require sincere belief in the rectitude or wisdom of whatever behaviours you are copying, only the sincere belief that nearly everybody else thinks such behaviours are good ones. And, while no doubt depressing as a fact about human nature, this also has an upside: it only takes widespread realisation that other people don’t actually believe what you thought they believed for a reputational cascade to collapse. As organisations start to cotton on properly to the fact the tides of fashion are turning, it will be interesting to see what happens next.

[ Via: https://archive.today/z6ilh ]

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This feels like it belongs with my "decline of religion" tag.

We're going to see a lot of historical revisionism, lying, ass-covering and gaslighting as the hold of "woke" falls apart, first gradually, then very, very quickly.

The Salem Witch Trials ended almost as quickly as they began once people in charge stopped pretending that they believed the crazy little girls and their theatrics.

The fallout and damage is going to be with us for a long time to come, though.

[someone-will-remember-us]

A government-ordered review has dismissed claims that suicide rates in young people with gender dysphoria have risen sharply since the NHS restricted access to puberty-blocking drugs.

A report by the government’s adviser on suicide prevention also found that the claims – made by the campaign group the Good Law Project – were not supported by data and could prompt children under the age of 18 to take their own life.

The health secretary, Wes Streeting, last week asked Prof Louis Appleby, a leading authority on mental health at Manchester University, to look at suicide rates among current and former patients of the now-discontinued gender identity development service (Gids) at the Tavistock and Portman NHS trust.

And in his paper, published on Friday, Appleby said he had found no evidence to back up the claims.

“The data do not support the claim that there has been a large rise in suicide by young patients attending the gender services at the Tavistock since the High Court ruling in 2020 or after any other recent date,” his analysis concluded. It covered the care received by and outcomes seen among patients of the London-based specialist mental heath trust.

The Good Law Project’s executive director, Jo Maugham, said in response: “I was not contacted in advance of the statement being released and will obviously need time to respond. I do have difficulties with the figures and analysis and will respond in due course.”

Appleby also advised patients, NHS staff and campaign groups to not see the provision of puberty blockers “as the touchstone issue, the difference between acceptance and non-acceptance [of gender dysphoria]. We need to move away from this perception.”

He was asked to examine the evidential base for claims that the NHS’s decision to limit access to puberty-blocking drugs after the high court’s ruling in the Keira Bell case in December 2020 had led to a “surge” or “explosion” in suicides among young people with gender dysphoria. Three judges ruled that those under 16 lacked the capacity to decide whether or not to give informed consent to take the drugs.

As well as finding no evidence to support the suicide claims, Appleby also highlighted “the way that this issue has been discussed on social media has been insensitive, distressing and dangerous, and goes against [Samaritans] guidance on safe reporting of suicide”.

“The claims that have been placed in the public domain do not meet basic standards for statistical evidence,” he added.

He flagged up the possibility of “already-distressed adolescents hearing the message that ‘people like you, facing similar problems, are killing themselves’, leading to imitative suicide or self-harm”.

Appleby, an expert in mental health statistics, found evidence of 12 suicides among current and former Gids patients in the six years between 2018-19 and 2023-24. Six of them were among under-18s.

Five suicides occurred in the three years before 2020-21 and seven in the three afterwards. “This is essentially no difference, taking account of expected fluctuations in small numbers”, he said.

Kate Barker, chief executive of the LGB Alliance, said: “It’s distressing that the completely unevidenced claims of increased suicidality were allowed to take root, and given credence by people in public life who should have known better than to play politics with such an emotive issue.

“Now the whole world can see these claims for what they are: a cynical attempt to spread misinformation to serve a dangerous and homophobic ideology.”

[utilitycaster]

You mentioned privately speculating about character subclasses—any guesses/predictions you’d be willing to share?

Sure! It's just largely unevidenced because we know very, very little

Ayden: Rary's Telepathic Bond indicates he's likely either Peace or Empathy domain and at least 9 levels in cleric. No idea on Paladin class; Ancients, Devotion, and Redemption would all fit the Pelor vibe. @essektheylyss mentioned Circle of Stars for the druid class given his staff and what he mentioned. No idea on Barbarian though Zealot would be fitting and fun. My personal guess incidentally for his level breakdown is assuming level 20 overall, he's 9 cleric/6 paladin/3 barbarian/2 druid (not necessarily taken in that order).

Trist: Almost certainly redemption paladin; would personally like to see light domain cleric especially since Pelor is somewhat in her domain.

Emhira: UA Raven Queen Warlock would be extremely fun as would Hexblade (which does reference the Raven Queen in the D&D lore; what if she not only created the first hexblade weapon but was, as Emhira, the first hexblade warlock?); honestly no other warlock classes really fit for her since she doesn't seem to volunteer that she can heal, (though as an part of my...undying The Undying Warlock Class Is Good You're Just A DPS Obsessed Loser soapbox I'd scream at Undying) so that's my guess.

Asha: honestly given that it's Taliesin and I don't know what of her shapeshifting is class vs. race-based this could very well be fully homebrewed, but Four Elements or Long Death seem most fitting of the existing classes

SILAHA: He says he can heal, so my guess is Celestial warlock and clockwork soul sorcerer but he could be divine soul

The Emissary: Zealot definitely seems like the move here.

[flipchild]

So curious abt the effect of outside temp and humidity on the vapor space of my shower, which is about 6ft aboveground.. usually I open the window to vent steam, but it's ~100° and ~80% humidity here, which at least perceptually affected how the steam dispersed...? Seemed much less eager to vent... sidenote, so nervies about job market considering my majors are essentially copywriting and sci. comm.¹, given how ChatGPT is turning every 10 copywriting jobs into 2 copyediting jobs (unevidenced, but phenom exists at +5 max [totally bullshitting]) & considering how I have about zero domain expertise... I'm good at interviewing, so I'm told, but that might be all I've got... and PR is banal poetics but I'm good at that too. End goal is grant writing but there are only so many cases where bringing on a SKILLED grant writer is in the books, let alone a novice²...

¹ most HPS ppl are in some kind of scientific pursuit but I went from bioinformatics into HPS into HPS + pub. and prof. writing, which is why I say that interviewing might be my out...

² nonprofits might b more accommodating to novices but also potentially have less funding to spare, and thus more likely to use edited ChatGPT...? I could aim for the editing, I spose...

[tamelee]

hi tamelee :) i’ve been thinking a lot recently about how fucked up konoha really is (i won’t go as far as saying everyone there is a bad person) but aspects of the shinobi system is so fucked up. even everything with the uchiha clan. like konoha was literally made to bring peace between the senju and the uchiha. and when the first hokage was chosen to be a senju, the uchiha said and did nothing in opposition. but despite everything, the senju still commanded more trust and respect than the uchiha. and the second hokage (who i strongly believe should’ve been an uchiha but alas was just another senju. like how have there been eight hokages with not a single one of them have been an uchiha. which have literally been said to be one of two strongest clans there) passed on the konoha military police onto the uchiha. which only made it so that the uchiha would have less of an impact on the konoha government. the uchiha were said to be rightfully pissed but they did nothing. as in nothing bad. and then the real kicker was the nine tailed demon fox’s attack. their sharingan would have helped much better on the demon fox but where were they forced off to out of unevidenced suspicions? to patrol the borders. and so many people see naruto’s dad’s sacrifice as this big sacrifice (which it was) but THERE WAS LITERALLY NO NEED. they didn’t let one of the strongest clans to help and then praise the sacrifice that had to happen because of it. naruto was forced to live with a literal demon inside of him and two dead parents. the uchiha were right to want to revolt. they’ve done nothing but serve konoha only to be met with suspicion and distrust. and of course everyone knows what happened after that (the uchiha massacre). i will never understand boruto because how does aasuke go from hating konoha and literally saying that he would never forgive them to saying that he was out his life down for konoha. sounds like bad writing. because part 1 and 2 but mainly part2, we see naruto understanding how fucked up things are. BUT NOTHINGS CHANGED. naruto became hokage and we see that nothing has changed. and that’s not an attack on naruto but i think kishinoto sees nothing wrong with konoha. either that or he can’t write another naruto with boruto if things start changing.

and that was only one example. not to mention the chunin exams where literal kids are met with the very real possibility of death and the teachers barely even act like it’s a big deal. like it’s an entire system based on the death of teenagers. and yeah they “have the option” of not partaking but look at the numbers that partake year after year. oh and then the hyuga clan. i could literally go on.

i’m sorry that was so unprovoked and probably doesn’t make any sense. i was talking to someone else in the naruto fandom and it honestly baffles me how rude some people get towards people who hold different opinions. and i love that you don’t so i really wanted to know your opinions. (i’m gonna be completely honest, i just rambling. I don’t even know what I wrote so it’s totally understandable if you don’t want to answer)

Hi~ 💕

Definitely. Well, It wasn’t that Konoha had to be built so Senju and Uchiha could be at peace, it was Senju and Uchiha putting aside their differences and becoming allies that Konoha could exist in the first place. Regardless, it’s fucked what happened to the Uchiha and I would’ve like to see one have become Hokage also. 

‘M not sure where they were during the attack. Itachi said their parents were ‘out’. Any other info came from that Shinden novel which has many mistakes in it also, screwing up the Akatsuki timeline even more. Keeping them out may have been a deliberate choice to keep any ‘suspicion’ up for the reader if there was any. Yeah those are major problems with anything that came after the original story, huh? In order to even make place for it they had to shift the world/system problems towards Aliens. (It also brushes aside all the pain characters had to endure because of it since "it was never a problem if it doesn't exist!" which pisses me off.) That way, Sasuke’s “they only worked together because they had a common enemy” and Naruto’s “we can all work together” both hold true, but in the cheapest, most lousy, awful, second-rate rotten way possible. It’s hateful. Nothing needs to change for the ‘Boruto-verse’ if you just change the way things work. That’s why it’s not the same world, not the same rules and certainly not a continuation of that which we’ve come to know and love. Because if we follow the original story, then both Naruto and Sasuke would’ve had to work their asses off to make it happen even if there suddenly are a bunch of aliens. I even would’ve understood Sasuke’s “I’d give my life for Konoha” because it wouldn’t be just about the village, it would be because they’re working on their dream. Because Naruto being Hokage would be important and meaningful. They would’ve made progress so this ‘Konoha’ wouldn’t even be the Konoha we knew anymore- things would’ve changed, but it didn’t. Now, Sasuke saying it rightfully feels off. A straight up lie. Naruto claiming the village is ‘family’ just the same. He doesn’t say it because he means it, he said it literally parroting previous Hokage ‘because the Third always said so’. All meaning is lost man. But yeah it’s not their fault. The posts blaming Naruto for the shitshow that is the sequel are so ridiculous lmao. Anyway, like you, I could go on about it as well 🤷🏻‍♀️

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"pro-library, anti-piracy" is the default position on books and i think this either an obvious unwillingness to inspect your beliefs OR an unevidenced claim that the particular material golden mean lies between these two states (possible, but i dont think you know).