#vanishing of will byers

[byler-4-life]

Haha holy shit. So, you guys know there's been some theorizing about how there's some weird time shit going on, and the time of 8:15 pm keeps potentially popping up as when weird shit happens to Will involving the Upside Down. Which made me "jokingly" say I was gonna go through and screenshot every episode at the 8 minute 15 second mark.

Well...since I was already messing around in episode one and looking around at other stuff, I decided to see what was at 8 mins 15 secs and...well...

How about the very vanishing of Will Byers himself.

[aemiron-main]

OOOOOOHHH SHIT JUST HAD A REALIZATION THIS COULD BE NOTHING BUT when joyce is talking to hopper initially, right after will first goes missing, hopper says “99 out of 100 times, a kid goes missing, they’re with a parent.” and joyce goes “what about the other time?” and hopper goes “what?” and joyce goes  “the other time. THE ONE. THE ONE.”  as we all likely know, the circumstances of will’s disappearance don’t align with other instances of demogorgons taking people/hunting. there wasn’t even any blood to attract them.  but yknow who the circumstances DO fit? vecna. also known as henry. also known as one.  will was literally WITH the other time, the ONE, he was literally taken by ONE. 

[gaysmindpalace]

Category 5 vanishing of will byers @aemiron-main moment

[byler-alarmist]

HAPPY STRANGER THINGS DAY 💖❤️‍🔥🎉.

I wore my Will Byers birthdaygate shirt out and got lots of smiles, but didn't even realize until I took a selfie that my sunglass lenses were the Byler colors!!! I am cringe but I am free lmao

I've admittedly been out of the loop and hanging out on my side blog since I got really into OFMD. Were there any releases or fun s5 hints??

[bylerschmyler]

Will byers vanishing shananigans

Will's vanishing is so weird.

Like

Chester is Barking and Will moves around the corner next to the fan on the table.

and when chester barks again Will should stand there around the corner but he doesn't.

And you cannot tell me that he is hidden by the plant because he wears red and yellow which would be very obvious.

Chester barking

Will moves around the corner

Will should be standing here but he isn't.

He runs away after this shot.

@aemiron-main did you analyze this back in the day when you were focused on the Vanishing stuff?

[dinosssss]

guys when will was in the upside down do you think he ever went to mikes house and like called for him?? or like went into his room and just sobbed and repeatedly called out for mike???

[stranger-chichka]

I keep noticing more library moments, but unfortunately I can't add more photos to my main post, so I here it is.

4x01: The body

After the scene where Nancy approaches Jonathan at the store of funeral services and she confesses to him about the demogorgon ("He didn't have a face") the next shot we see the library and they show us that it's exactly next to Melvald's where Joyce works (it made me think that it should be the place where Will might spend a lot of time while his mom was at work?).

And after that shot of the library and the road we have the scene with Hopper and the man who found Will's "body." And you know what? He calls finding him: "Dumb luck." Do you get deja vu???

Season one. November 7, 1983. The boys were "on petrol" too, looking for Will and found El instead. Moke also says about finding her: "It's just simple dumb luck." But we know that that man didn't find the body by mistake. It was planned by Branner's people to find it in that place at that time. What about El then? Is it a parallel or am I just looking too much into it? Because it looks like someone (Vecna???) wanted the boys to find El. Like, is it possible Vecna somehow has seen into the future and organised the vanishing of Will because he knew the boys would go looking for him and instead find El? But what for? It doesn't connect but I feel like there's a parallel. It was also previously said by Hopper in the library that maybe Will "was in the wrong place at the wrong time and he saw something that he shouldn't have." It also should mean something. Did he see El before? (Because she recognized him o the photo.) If yes, then when and where? At the lab?

[bylerserotonin]

What if season 5 opens with a flashback to Will’s disappearance, and shows a little more then we did in season 1. It’ll make us question even more, calling attention to inaccuracies noticed…And then as the season goes by, we get more flashbacks and exposition, slowly unraveling the entire thing?

[dinitride-art]

@aemiron-main​ you’ve got me thinking about Will and Vecna and I remembered something from when I was looking around ep one for watergate things (you also got me talking about light and the lighting in stranger things is my weakness)

So we all know this guy right? But I noticed a while ago that he’s literally surrounded by blue- like that light above the elevator door

And the button he presses to open it

And like his whole outfit is blue. Thinking about how in season four-

Max is also surrounded by blue light?? And also how all of Vecna’s vitims look up and their eyes roll back

And that’s like exactly what happens here???

And it’s always been weird to me how he’s suspended in the air as he dies? Like that’s also a very Vecna thing to do.

Then right after that we’ve got water- which is a bad sign and somehow connected to the Upside Down. BUT ALSO- the growling that comes from the thing thats killing everyone would make sense if Henry’s voiced got all messed up- because we know it is in season four. But what if it was worse before?

And I’ve had some thoughts on Vecna and whether or not he’s made contact to other people in the world. Because him and Brenner are really sketchy in season four. With Brenner not letting El leave, and Henry not caring/not being surprised that Brenner’s dead. Like it’s just weird. 

And then we were talking about the harsh white ligthing- and it’s exactly like The Thing poster in Mike’s basement. And The light coming in from the window is blue, but the light from the lamp is green (similar to the overhead lights in the lab AND the lamp behind Eddie when Chrissy’s getting Vecna’d)- and the one behind Will is yellow. So this is kinda colour theory with the yellow and blue behind Mike and Will, but what if that’s connected to more than just Mike and Will? Because when Max is vecna’d the first time she’s wearing yellow and blue- and even weirder than that??

The Creel’s are surrounded by yellow and blue. But when Vecna kills from his place in the Upside Down, the theme is red and blue. It’s weird. And I’ve got more to do with the lights (sorry if you’ve already pointed any of this stuff out already- my brains just running around with red string right now lol. And I can’t remember if you’ve gone into this before)

Also the demogorgon has two heads- so that could mean that both the demogrogon AND Henry were in Hawkins. The yellow and blue pen behind it also makes me think that this is what’s going on. 

These lights are just really harsh and bright and I thought they were weird. Could just be foreshadoiwng what’s going to happen- BUT it could be foreshadowing what’s about to happen. What’s about to happen being Will getting Vecna’d. Maybe. Kinda sorta- half vecna’d. yeah. But something to do with Vecna

Also we’ve got a lot more blue lighting and clothes prior to Will going missing. And when Nancy’s talking to Barb she’s leaning on a yellow and blue pillow, which could mean that Barb (was gay) was taken by Vecna into the upside down- but like a team up with the Demogorgon? Because Barb just straight up disappeared. And the only demogorgon we’ve seen have that type of power- to open gates when it kills someone- is in season one. So what if Henry’s using the demogorgon as a part of the hive mind to kill people and then is somehow absorbing them? Maybe? It’s just really weird that when Vecna kills people in season four he opens gates and the same thing happens in season one with the demogorgon (and El banishes the demogorgon the same way she banished Henry)

Yellow and blue coolers in the Wheelers (garage? overhang thing? Idk what this is called) before Will get’s taken. And the ligths on Lucas, Dustin and Will’s Bike’s are different colours. 

And then we know that weird shit happening to the lights is a sign of vecna, so if Henry is in Hawkins- then he’s already following Will. 

And then there’s another blue light with Dustin's Bike light and Green with Lucas and Will’s.

And here we’ve got the harsh white light- even before we get to see the Demogorgon/Vecna?

And Dustin’s blue bike light is weirdly even brighter when Will leaves. 

And then there’s this flash of a blue light on Will’s foot (like a bike reflecter of something I think)

But then there’s a second where the blue flashes and there’s a red flash on the upper left. And Will’s light dims (either before or after the flash I can’t remember exactly but it’s really REALLY close to it.)

Just like when Chrissy got Vecna’d- the red and blue light behind Eddie’s head.

And it’s probably already been pointed out- but that figure never opens its head like the demogrogon is able to do. Will also first sees this figure outside of Hawkins lab. And if that’s Henry, and he just killed someone, maybe he has the power at hand to do whatever he’s about to do to Will? And when we see him again the lighting is yellow. 

And then he opens the door with his mind- and I don’t think we’ve seen Henry do anything like that (besides floating people and snapping their bones) from his place in the Upside down. Similar to how El can’t touch people when she’s in the water/mind plane (save for Will that one time but he’s different). So Henry would have to be there to do this type of fuckery. And also that light in the window of the Byer’s door is yellow

And then we see the shed and the light underneath the door is blue, and Will’s got harsh white light on him and-

He doesn’t really seem like he’s looking at a monster. We never see the person in the shed, not really. And it’s hard to say whether or not that’s even the Byer’s shed- or if anything's really what it is. Like the phone, and the clock behind Will’s head (still shook by that). So what if Will is in the Byer’s shed, but he doesn’t see Vecna or the demogorgon here- what if he’s seeing Lonnie? Because if he is getting Vecna’d in a weird way, the discrepancies in the shed and the way Will is reacting kind of make sense? But I think that Vecna was definitely pressent physically in Hawkins- maybe just for the time that Will went missing, maybe that’s how he transferred a version of it into the Upside Down? I don’t know, this whole thing is so weird. 

[if-not-now-tell-me-when]

Whatever you do, try not to think about the fact that when Will was in the Upside Down, he could probably hear his family calling for him as they searched for him in the woods

[byler-4-life]

Okay, so this is related to this post by @aemiron-main about how the phone in the byers house changes from when Will tries to call 911, and when Joyce gets a phone call from Will in the Upside Down (maybe) later in the same Episode. Season 1, Ep 1.

As you can see in this photo that I lifted from the linked post, it says area code 501 on it.

However this is real interesting because later in the seaon in Episode 5, Jonathan and Nancy are looking over a map to go "monster hunting". The map is supposedly taken from a telephone directory, according to the ST Wiki. That seems to be proven by this shot, in which you can see it has directions on how to connect or disconnect your phone.

And here on the other side of it, next to the map? You can see it says that "phones begin with 344". In other words, the area code for Hawkins is really 344, so why does the phone Will is dialing on say 501?

[aemiron-main]

~what the hell is going on the night will disappeared? TIME FUCKERY, PERCEPTION FUCKERY, SOME EXTREME STRANGENESS REGARDING JOYCE BYERS AND TERRY IVES THAT IVE NEVER SEEN MENTIONED ANYWHERE BEFORE~ i dont have all the pieces put together yet but there’s too many strange coincidences. ill make a proper document or smthn abt this theory at some point but for rn im just throwing this together

SO. THIS IMAGE. which i’ve made posts about here and here.  Long story short: im basically certain that this netflix still image, which is not from a scene that exists in the show but IS shown on the s1 ep1 pause/idle screen, is from the exact moment that we saw will disappear/the lightbulb get all bright in s1 ep1.  Which means that this is seemingly an image of Will watching himself disappear inside the shed OR watching whatever ACTUALLY happened when the lightbulb started glowing in the shed. 

Now, my focus for this writeup is going to be pointing out the little discrepancies that indicate that we’re not seeing the whole story in s1 ep1 the night will disappears. IMO there’s some pov/memory/unreliable narration fuckery afoot. SO, i wrote about how the door to the shed is completely different when will’s in the shed vs when hoppers in it in this post. Long story short: outside view of door the night will disappears + outside view of door when hopper goes to the shed + inside view of the door when hopper goes in the shed are all the same door. but will’s inside view of the door the night he disappears is a COMPLETELY different door with no spaces in between the planks- it’s not just a different door from hopper, but it’s a different door than the one we see from the outside the night that will disappears, as from the outside view, the gaps are clearly visible, whereas they’re nonexistent from the inside view.

I also want to point out the LAUNDRY. *charlie kelly voice* “can we talk about the laundry? i’ve been dying to talk about the laundry” This post has a more in-depth explanation of what I noticed with the laundry, but long story short: a.) that scene where will seemingly looks out of the living room window and sees the demogorgon was absolutely not physically shot from the living room window. it is not possible with the location of the clothesline. they cannot put a camera outside of the living room window and get that shot. however, it DOES line up EXACTLY with the location of will’s bedroom window. and b.) the clothes on the line the night will disappears vs the clothes on the line the morning immediately after, are completely different clothes. There is very clearly a plaid shirt with some sort of large, thick towel-like item next to it. However, the next morning, the laundry line has a pair of pants and a polka-dot shirt. This could indicate either time fuckery or perception fuckery, as the laundry could be from another day OR just edited entirely if it’s perception fuckery. I’m not sure which it is, but it COULD be time fuckery if we’re seeing will’s pov from a different time/date somehow in that scene?? 

Since that first screenshot labelled “will pov s1 ep1″ could not physically have been shot from the living room window, and instead aligns exactly with will’s bedroom window, it’s also worth noting that the blinds in will’s bedroom are pulled UP the morning after he disappears, and we don’t know if they’d been closed or opened before he got home, but we DO know that joyce or jonathan didn’t open those blinds since they would have noticed that will was missing if they went into his room. So, there’s a solid chance imo that will opened those blinds and was somehow looking through his bedroom window at the demogorgon- which would align with that still image that we see of will looking into a glowing shed, because both of these things point to a different will POV that we haven’t been shown yet/possibly point towards will somehow watching himself the night he disappeared.

  There’s also the phone. Two things about the phone: a.) will leaves it hanging off the hook the night he disappears, and b.) there’s different writing on the phone the night will disappears vs when joyce uses the phone the next morning. Who put the phone back on the hook?? Did joyce and jonathan just come home that night and go “oh, the phone ringing off the hook, that’s completely normal, let me just put that back and not check on will at all or bring it up whatsoever”?? Or, maybe, did something happen and the phone was never actually left off of the hook- was that scene part of an illusion/warped memory? I’m not sure but it’s definitely strange. And speaking of coming home that night: this is mostly speculation, but why didn’t jonathan check to see if will was home? was he just so tired that he went to bed + didn’t think to check if will made it back? did joyce not think to check on will either? did neither of them notice that his bike wasn’t outside? or that his shoes and coat weren’t at the door? Now, regarding part b.) of the phones- the phone in will’s disappearance scene just says AREA CODE 501, which, I made a post about here, and @byler-4-life​ made a post here about how 501 isn’t even the hawkins area code. The phone in joyce’s scene the next morning, and in the scene where joyce gets zapped by the phone for the first time, the phone has another line of writing underneath it, which is NOT present the night that will disappears.

As well, we’ve got the light switch. The light is already on when will seemingly runs into the shed. And it’s also on when we see him disappear/the light bulb gets all bright and then returns to normal. However, the light is then switched off, not just a dead bulb, but switched off, the next morning, when hopper goes into the shed and switches the light on.

NOW: something ELSE i’ve noticed: the fog. not only is there fog the night will disappears, just like how there’s fog in the upside-down, and fog in max’s upside-down billy graveyard vecna vision, but the fog literally seems to follow will. And it seems to emanate from behind the demogorgon, much in the same way that it seems to emanate from behind vecna in max’s  graveyard vision.  And also- WHERE IS THE SHED LIGHT? In the scene where will’s running into the house, we can SEE the shed in the fog: but we CANNOT see any light coming from it. which is extremely odd considering that when will gets to the back of the house, the door is open and the beam of light stretches across the backyard. We should be able to see it in that initial shot, espeically considering that the gaps in the shed walls allow light to seep through, as seen in that first netflix still image in the beginning of this post, but the shed is dark.

Visually, the image of billy/vecna disguised as billy in the fog is very similar to the demogorgon in the fog the night that will disappears. As well, vecna even sounds like billy in that scene- so there’s a chance that he could have disguised himself to look and sound like a demogorgon (like not actually disguised but rather done the same sort of perception warping/vision stuff that he does to max). As well, max runs into the fog in s4 in order to get away, and ends up in vecna’s mindscape. The fog literally seems to act like a barrier in vecna visions, almost like the invisible walls in a videogame. Will, however, does not run into the fog, so unlike max, he doesn’t escape the weird upside-down vision world. And also, note the lack of weird tentacles or typical upside-down stuff in max’s graveyard, despite the fact that it looks like the upside-down. That indicates that there’s a chance that what we see of the byers house on the night that will disappears COULD be a similar sort of upside-down looking vision situation except without the tentacles and other upside-down stuff??? and that will is going both physically and mentally between the real world and the upside-down on the night he disappears, just like he does in s2 with his episodes (he is able to interact physically with BOTH worlds at the same time in his episodes), which could explain why certain actions like leaving the phone off the hook didn’t actually happen in reality, but other ones like slamming open the back door and leaving an indent DID. (basically, the phone was never left off the hook in the real world because that scene happened when he was in the upside-down/vision/whatever, whereas the door slamming was when he came back to reality and then the shed would be when he went back again into upside-down/vision land) Going back to the fog again, it’s also interesting to me that this imagery of billy/vecna in the fog is blue-toned, whereas for will’s it’s warm and yellow-toned. which seems like nothing until we recall that picture of henry with the mindflayer in the yellow section of the upside-down. I wonder, if like how the red area started to peek through the blue for max + how running through that fog lead her to vecna’s mind lair, that if the fog would have lead to the yellow area for will. It’s an interesting lighting choice that i think is worth noting, at least, because aside from that moment, the fog is always lit in cool/blue tones for Will. 

SO: my conclusion? i don’t quite know HOW this all ties together yet, but something’s not right about the night will disappeared. I don’t think what we saw in s1 ep1 was what actually happened, I think it’s possibly what will remembers, but it’s not the entirety of what happened. I think that SOMEHOW, and im not sure HOW, or WHY, but i think that somehow, will was either watching himself go through what we saw in s1 ep that night, AND/OR will was flipping between dimensions/in and out of a vecna vision like he does in s2/when hes in the upside down using his true sight in s1/ AND OR, something else entirely happened in that shed, and will witnessed it (hopper even mentions at the library in s1 that there’s a chance that will ‘saw something he shouldn’t have’ related to hawkins lab + they got rid of him as a result). Hopper’s comment about will witnessing something becomes even more interesting when we consider the following:

a.) the discrepancy between the s1 article vs the s2 article I’ve written about this more in-depth here, but long story short, the article in the police station in season 1 tells a completely different story with a completely different timeline than the article in will’s locker in season 2. In the season 1 article, it says that will was found as a subject of the hawkins lab after a week of searching, having been subjected to mind control experiments/  In the season 2 article, however, it says that will was missing for eight days (”had gone missing two days prior” and “six days later hopper found him in a cabin”, so according to this article, will’s body was found after he was missing for 2 days, and then 6 days after the body was found, hopper found him, making him missing for 8 days), and claims that hopper found will in a cabin and that the coroner misidentified the body.  Strangely enough, the season 1 article makes no mention of will’s fake body/the one that they found in the quarry.  Both articles are written by the same person, with the same headline, and the same photo. They both seem to have been published at the same time (as i don’t think that they’d publish an article about will’s disappearance in s2), and they almost look like the exact same article except with difference content (again, same author same headline same photo), and part of me wonders if this is some sort of vecna perception warping/unreliable narration, because it really does strike me as strange that there was a whole article about will being tortured at the lab, an article that specifically says that joyce claims that will was taken to the lab and tortured, when the whole stipulation of joyce and hopper being allowed to go into the upside-down and rescue will, was that the lab had nothing to do with it. And why would joyce say that will was experimented on at the lab? Because as far as we know/joyce knows, that’s not true- he was stuck in the upside-down, not found in the lab having been part of mind experiments. So if joyce WAS going to break her agreement and expose the lab, then why wouldn’t she just expose the truth? 

As well, when you look at this uncropped image of the s1, article, there’s something VERY strange when you read further down in the second paragraph: “In a statement issued yesterday mornning (can’t see the other half of the word but ‘morning’ is inferred), Ives mentioned her ‘disgust’ towards, (word ‘towards’ isnt visible but we can infer it) the organziation, saying ‘our own american people are being treated like the enemy (again, with ‘enemy,’ we can only see the last two letters so its inferred), we should be directing out ___tion (not sure what word that is) to the real target, the Soviets, not our own daughters and sons” Wait- Ives? Ives who? What first name? It’s never mentioned.Why’d they just mention an “Ives” out of nowhere with no first name and no introduction, as if Ives was who they’d been speaking about the entire time?  “In a statement issued yesterday morning-” Which ives is even capable of issuing a statement in 1983? We know that terry isn’t, because she was tortured by brenner long before 1983. But we also know that Becky is very unlikely to issue a statement either, as she didn’t even believe terry’s story until El came to visit in s2. So that only leaves terry. But this statement was issued “yesterday,” which means that it’s from 1983. With the way that the last name “Ives” is dropped without a firstname, it almost feels like they’re conflating Joyce and Terry- because Joyce is mentioned with her first and last name, and JOYCE is mentioned as being the one who is making the allegations against the lab, so it would make sense for them to refer to her with her last name regarding statements and allegations in the second paragraph, but instead, they just say “Ives,” and don’t say any first name or give any context to Ives. It feels like it’s absolutely out of nowhere, especially considering what I just talked about with how we only know two Ives, and one of them (terry) isnt physically capable of giving a statement, and the other one (becky) doesn’t even believe in the words being stated.  This smells like time fuckery and perception fuckery, ESPECIALLY time fuckery in regards to “Ives” giving a statement “yesterday” in 1983. It’s very, very interesting to me that things are phrased in a way where it seems to conflate joyce and ives, ESPECIALLY since the story that is being credited to “joyce,” about will being the subject of mind control experiments at hawkins lab, is the EXACT story that we find out that Terry was saying about El at the lab, ESPECIALLY since at no point has Joyce ever said that Will was tortured/found at the lab, because as far as we see in the sshow/joyce sees, he WASNT!! And  that line at the bottom, about brenner issuing no comment- as far as anyone knew, brenner was DEAD at the end of s1. Even owens claims to jonathan and nancy in s2 that anyone involved with will’s and barb’s disappearance is dead. So why are articles being published claiming that he’s declined comment??  What the HELL is going on here?? Why is Terry’s story about El being credited to Joyce as being about Will???? This smells like timeline fuckery. 

b.) the fact that will seems to recognize brenner in s4 I know the 8flix scripts were a contentious affair, but i’m personally of the belief that they weren’t entirely fake, even if they were from earlier in production. And in the 8flix script, it’s mentioned that Will recognizes Brenner when he’s dying in s4. And even the script aside, watching that scene, Will’s reaction/expression towards Brenner is definitely different from Mike’s, and Will’s definitely looks like recognition/realization, imo.  c.) the fact that hawkins lab was able to create a perfect replica of will’s body How on earth did they manage to create such an extremely lifelike version of will’s body?? especially with the technology available in the 80s, compared to what we have today, that’s no easy feat. and it’s even harder, if not borderline impossible, if you don’t have the person to use as a reference or tons and tons of detailed images of that person. Will’s missing flyers were all in black and white, and yet they even managed to nail his hair colour and skintone. And even then, doing that sort of intricately detailed and accurate work based on a few photos from a small handful of angles alone?? I don’t buy it.  d.) the fact that the hawkins lab team, including brenner,  immediately went back to the shed when they visited the byers house.  They didn’t even go into the actual house. They immediately went around back to the shed, and YES they had their little machines that they were using to track, so that could totally be a large part of the reason, but it’s still a little odd to me that they basically made a beeline for the AND were geared up for the upside-down before they even got there, meaning that they knew/highly suspected that some upside-down shit had gone down at the byers household. I also wonder if there’s a chance that THIS is when will saw brenner + why he recognized him, since maybe he was in the upside-down version of the shed at the time, and with his true sight shenanigans, was able to see brenner the same way that he could see the alphabet that joyce painted.  long story short: there’s an absolute metric fuckton of discrepancies between the shed and the byers house the night that will disappeared vs the next day, and this isn’t even all of them. and that still image of will looking into the shed at the exact same moment that he would have been disappearing keeps me up at night because WHAT THE FUCK?? there could be time fuckery at play (i’m looking at you, laundry that’s definitely not clothes from the day that will disappeared), there could be memory/perception fuckery at play, there could be both!! and WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON WITH THE JOYCE AND TERRY STUFF?? IM BAFFLED. I’m probably gonna go compare that Will article to the actual articels written about terry’s comments. Much to think about. 

[im-mr-loverman]

I got sick, i have a shit ton of fever so i am just laying down searching for all the gates i can find in this fandom

[bylerschmyler]

[mangoesandraspberries]

Only my pillow knows the amount of emotions I hold.