#vmin friendzoned

[minieggukie]

NAURRR BUT VMIN DIVORCE ALLEGATIONS IN 2024 IS SO SICK

[not-goldy]

Oh boy. I just got one question and I'm being dead ass serious. Not even joking. Is it mutual? Cause if so, I have major questions right now. He sure seems to think its mutual, cause once again he's saying he's back to those feelings and once again asking his friend to let him out of the Friendzone one and for all. Ooooohkay. The title alone was a jumpscare, a deliberate choice, now the lyrics. It all seems too easy to connect, but subtlety has also never been this man's thing, ever. Blunt more like it. Anyways, I'm way too into my overthinking today, to deal. I am gonna have to rewatch the video again.

He's more delulu than I am is more like it😩😹😹😹😹

He's out here singing friends to lovers while Jimin thinks they are more of a mystery loving on each other one day, being enemies the next 🤣🤣🤣

Mutual bby boy join the circus 😆

1st off THAT MAN IS FFFFFFFFFFOOOOINE DUUUUUUUMMMMM whew

Like let's not lie he's a gorgeous human being 🥵

Ladies and gays I get it 😌

No need to explain yourselves I get it🤭

Fantasize away😏

Also the song is 🔥 🔥 🔥

It's exactly as it should be. its done what songs do- give us the tickles 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭

It's giving Olivia Her Jungkook and Ariana in one song

And I think the meaning is clear. Dude caught feelings for his friend and he wants to be taken out of the friendzone. Such a beautiful tale of friends to lovers fantasies

Which is what we were all thinking it was so another L to those delusional solos and antis who thought we were mad how does it feel to be a clown guys.

Friends don't say words that make Friends feel like more than just Friends- which words sir juseyo 🎤

And sir what do you mean.... who is leading you on cos I know it's not Park Jimin🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Not gonna lie all my Vmin fantasies are coming to life

That emotional entanglement they had going on like two emo lesbians I knew one was bound to catch feelings and it was not going to be Jimin🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jimin tried that shit with Jungkook and now Jungkook is stuck on him for life😆

Such potent magic.

Now of course it leaves room for speculation as to who this friend he is singing about is but the fact he has a few songs asking what are we? Are you my best friend? And Jimin has a responding song saying we are friends and soulmates and now he's here saying friends don't feel this way let's end the friendship and start something is a bit 😝

I can understand why they didn't want him to sing that song with Jimin the sus level would have been high💀💀💀💀

Imagine thinking he has a boyfriend who went away to ms with his other besties meanwhile dudes just pining here over his best friend 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The jokes write themselves 🤣

[btsandvmin]

why do u think fandom brozone vmin so much? it doesnt happen nearly as often w other ships

I have talked about this a great deal before, and for good reason. It does happen a lot, and it has always been like this. At least I can speak for the years I have been in the fandom as the first post I ever made properly was about this exact topic. (The “bromance” issue) It’s short and a bit outdated, and honestly we also have to admit that while a lot of people still keep insisting on Vmin not being shippable and being “brozoned or friendzoned” there are also a lot more people who both ship Vmin and even see actual real potential in them being more. (You can even tell by the increase in analysis here on tumblr.)

Personally regarding the “issue” of how Vmin are viewed I am no longer as annoyed with it as I used to be. I do think it’s mainly a problem when other shippers come and say it about Vmin, because that is frankly just hypocritical. I have also written  Normalizing Vmin or “Vmin” and  Shipping vs Believing that explains more about my views on the subject of friendzoning and shipping as a whole. (Personally I feel Vmin get more friendzoned than brozoned, but that’s just a minor detail.)

But your question was about why you think the fandom brozone/friendzone Vmin so much, so let’s get to that.

First of all I obviously think there are several reasons, but this is all based on my speculations after being in this fandom for so long and what I have seen. Every person could have their own very different reasons to why they think the way they do. I think all the reasons play a part, but might not be equally important and might also not apply to every single person, but rather affect the fandom as a whole in one way or another.

So let’s break it down to the things I think play the biggest role in why Vmin are seen as platonic, regardless of if they are or not, just simply compared to a lot of the other ships.

1. They have since the start used the label “friend” or “best friend” to describe each other. In particular the label “chingu” of course, which in actuality is used to described someone of the same age that you are close with. 

2. The English translation and constant use of “friend” will when repeated constantly get stuck in people’s minds and affect how they view a dynamic. Just how “hyung” gets translated to brother, but a lot less well known and noted by the fandom. Basically the western fandom will likely get even more platonic feelings towards Vmin because of the word being translated to friends.

3. Compared to the other “chingus” in the group, Namjoon and Hobi, there is much more emphasis on Vmin as the same age and as being close and best friends. Namjoon himself made a comment on this. I also think the use of “friends” or more recently “soulmates” by editors is a reply to this, basically that the editors too use these words because they are used a lot by the members first. Hence it gets doubly reinforced. Every time we hear it or read it we get another reminder of Vmin being friends.

4. Their early dymanics were less soft. A lot of their interactions were teasing like Taehyung’s “Jiminie pabo” and fans saw it as two siblings or friends rather than as the “teasing your crush”. Basically people didn't read their behavior as romantic. When BTS first started Vmin already called each other best friends, and that stuck, even more so in combination with people basically not seeing any "spark" between them. I would call this preference in a lot of cases.

5. There were in the beginning already a lot of competition between ships. Jimin often focused in a lot on JK and basically flirted with him while he at the same time brushed off Tae when he did similar towards Jimin. Meanwhile Tae and JK had a very physical relationship as well and JK often seemed the most open and comfortable with Tae. I think both of Vmin kind of pushing themselves on and teasing JK was a dynamic many shippers like. Meanwhile you aslo had Yoonmin getting popular due to Yoongi seeming a bit soft on Jimin and Jimin being very open and loud with wanting attention from Yoongi.

6. Some people find Vmin's dynamics boring. To a lot of shippers “too” obvious closeness might be a little boring and get labeled as just being friends or bros. This was in particular evident in the early days of Vmin. It also matters for fan content, and we can see a lot of Vmin fiction use a bit more “soft” tropes and might not get as many readers as more conflict driven plot. For me I would also include Vmin’s bias towards each other as another point here, that people might see as too much if they are a couple and have to hide. Basically a lot of people don’t see friendship to romance as the most interesting, or the "obvious and equal dynamic" as interesting. BTS said Vmin were the closest or the “best duo” etc. but since all of them were close people picked based on preference for their ship. Of course this still applies to shippers now, they fall for the type of dynamic they like, but now they also have a easier time getting convinced by material from other shippers. Having analysis is another thing that can make a ship more appealing as well.

7. Speaking of, fan content getting created and spread will reinforce certain images. Reading BTS fanfiction or watching moment videos you will see a lot of Vmin being “the best friends”. Basically once the image is used a lot, it will get more spread and used even more. It will be a constant in many places and when talking to a lot of people. It will also of course pull people in to other ships that makes Vmin impossible. Not to mention the big ships will get bigger and spread more easily.

8. Now this might not be true for a lot of people. But I have come across a lot of fans who seem to think being a friend is something that makes romance less likely. For me I want my partner to be my best friend as well, but a lot of people do see these two things as mutually exclusive. Many see friend and lover as two very different things and that you have one best friend and one partner, not someone that are both. Basically just the view on friendships and labels and how that might lead to some feeling being romantically involved is something separate from a close friendship. 

9. Other ships spreading the narrative even further. It’s easier to just call Vmin friends, honestly. It’s often hard to deny their closeness (not that you should have to just because you ship something else, doesn’t change reality). But Vmin being so close and being part of the three biggest ships in BTS of course their label as best friends will be spread and used even more by those shippers. And because of the size of those ships it eventually gets turned into not just those shippers views, but the whole fandom’s.

10. More recently I would also say fear is a reason why people push back and try to remind the fandom that Vmin are “just friends”. Because we have very bad examples of what happens when shipping goes too far, basically it makes many non shippers try to protect Vmin from the same faith. Not a bad thing (again, as long as you don’t ship something else and is a hypocrite), but it surely does further the narrative of Vmin being very platonic. (A bad group is of course included here, which are homophobic fans, but since they feel the same about all ships it’s just a sidenote.)

11. Lastly, and probably most influentual, is the fact that Vmin and BTS friendzone Vmin in many ways, constantly. 

I won’t go into all the examples, but I think we all know a few moments even at the top of our heads by now.

I mean.... They called their song about being soulmates and wanting to be together for eternity "Friends". And maybe that's what they are, but they sure like to remind us.

So we have times when BTS or Vmin basically remind us and spells it out even more clearly that Vmin are FRIENDS. They use it very very often, and personally to me sometimes at very weird moments. Even so, the things most fans see will of course be what they say. Vmin are friends and that is it.

And at face value that is true. I just personally don’t see being best friends (and soulmates) as meaning they can’t be more as well. Especially since they wouldn’t even be able to say more than that. I mean, if Vmin are basically described as the closest in BTS, then why does that mean they have less odds of being real? Being friends doesn’t have to equal being only friends.

However, Vmin have in fact said things against being interested/denied the other, I don’t want to lie. I am sure some would see this as 100% truth and use it againt the possibility of Vmin being real. Like when Taehyung basically said he would rather date Hobi.

However, Jimin said he would definitely choose Taehyung to date, but that gets ignored by people who ship Jimin with others, so it’s really just about choosing what fits your narrative. All ships have contradicting moments or statments or answers where they answer two different things at two different times in general.

We also have how Jimin answered back to Taehyung about liking men by saying he isnt “like that” to Taehyung.

There are moments like this, and even though they might be small and forgotten by most I think they could in a sense still have registered in some fans who then basically managed to spreak the “vmin are just bros/friends” into the more common perception. 

However we also have opposite moments when they try to appeal to each other, or like when Taehyung asks Jimin to be the girlfriend etc. and personally though I do take these things into account it’s a bit like when you see members say “men can’t do this or that” and it doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t be queer. To me even though there are things against most ships, there are still a lot that speaks for some, and that’s why I remain unsure.

Sometimes you might get more defensive or nervous if there is some truth in there as well. It’s all about interpretation, even though I don’t want to blatantly ignore what they say. But since they have said and done directly contradicting things (like how Jimin said he would choose to date Tae while also saying he doesn’t act like “that” to Tae, or how they have changed a lot of answers in general) I also don’t see it as something definitely against them being more. Not to mention time can change things as well. 

In the end though this isn’t about what other things there might be that show Vmin might be more than friends or not, but simply reasons for the fandom’s view of them as platonic. (Personally I think they do a lot of things not normally seen as platonic, which is obviously the reason for me having this blog and writing anlysis on them.)

So, Vmin is friendzoned by the group, and by shippers of bigger ships, and even by themselves at times. Then everything else is reinforcement and inability to view them as anything more than friends.

There are some other things I think might play a part in it as well, but most comes down to personal preferences or what you get exposed to. Like who is the bias of the shipper and what things do they come across to make them a shipper, what kind of dynamics do they like etc. (It's more likely for someone who "falls" for JK to have JK in his ship, for example. Because they will focus on him and notice his interactions and then likely fall for a certain dynamic.)

History is a huge factor in general, and trying to change the perspective of the fandom might not be easy. But with a lot of new fans coming in and seeing with their own eyes how Vmin have behaved the last two years in particular, I think we can see a change.

Vmin are loved by the majority of this fandom, and that’s far better than them having people be anti them because of their ship being too big or too toxic. So in the end I do feel it’s a good things for them and for us that Vmin is being viewed as mostly platonic while they manage to slowly include more “normally not platonic things” into their platonic box. (I mean we are at a point where they can casually mention sleeping together and sing about being soulmates and hold hands in public).

Thank you for the ask and I hope you found this interesting. This is a topic I have a lot of opinions on and think is interesting myself, so I hope you enjoyed this post. No matter what we all know that one truth won’t change; 95z is love!

[archlovesvmin]

Someday, I will accept my tragic death due to Vmin overload

[akookminsupporter]

Hi, I'm the anon who asked about trolling. Thank you for the response.♡ . . . I already sent this ask to another blog (lol), but as I said, I love different perspectives... I wanted to know why VMIN is such an underrated ship in Maknae Line. Why it's "friendzoned" by the majority of the fandom? I always see "Friendship Goals" comments in videos about their moments compared to Jikook and Taekook moments which a majority of shippers always romanticize?

Hi anon, welcome back. The simplest answer is because they did it themselves. Jimin and Tae friendzoned their relationship, as you said, since the beggining almost, I think ahahaha. Jimin and Tae since the begginnig labelled their relationship very well: They are friends. Soulmates but friends.

[theangryjikooker]

Jikook are sus but so are Vmin. Its like they cancel EO out for me. Jikook spend alot of time together, but Vmin write songs about EO & are SUPER CAUTIOUS & will rarely be seen together in a car or going out. BTS friendzones them too. JM saying Tae's making his heart race & RM saying yeah cause he's your friend. JK saying from a friend when Tae handed JM his letter to read. Vmin calling their song about being soulmates FRIENDS it seems TOO cautious. Then again Jikook seem to be dating. I'm torn.

I don't know much about Vmin, so I can't really comment on this without being fair about what other Vminers see. Of the Vmin content that does appear on my timeline, however, I've seen a few moments that I'd consider questionable and could understand why some ship Vmin.

I would still choose Jikook over the others, though. There are more times where it feels intrusive when I'm watching them compared to the others, and that's the distinction for me (which may be the case for other people who ship different members, so again it boils down to perception).

[arameow-blog]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[thoughts-on-bangtan]

Majority of people friendzone VMIN, even though they're clearly sweeter/softer compared to other ships. But do you think, JM and V likes it that way? I mean, bec people friendzone them, they can somehow freely do anything with lesser suspicions. They can getaway with handholding or any other actions that can seem "too romantic" for some. What do you think?

This is a really interesting question and we’ll admit we’ve thought and talked about it a couple of times before. And we agree. Especially if you take Friends into consideration which, on a marketing and PR level, was a genius move on both Jimin’s (and Tae’s) but also BHs part. By giving the song such a name, it validated certain people’s opinion that “they are just friends”, highlighting the age old agenda of downplaying vmin interactions, as a large portion of the fandom do, so that now, like you said, they can hold hands or do other cute things together and they don’t have to worry about anyone suspecting anything, besides maybe vminnies but in comparison there are far fewer of us. We’ve seen countless instances where the comment section under a cute/soft vmin picture or video were filled with “awww they are such cute friends” and “aww they remind me of me and my sister” type replies, while if you look at similar pictures/videos of any other two members, the comments are filled to the brim with “awww boyfriends” or “x and x are so married, look how cute they are”.

The thing is that, in a way, Friends and the “vmin are just besties” agenda have fulfilled several different purposes, besides being a song that celebrates their bond (being the primary point of it all). What we mean is more about how by “confirming” vmin as “just” friends, it gave certain people a sense of security, as in that vmin are no longer a “threat” to their fantasies, but also a feeling of security that “if they are just friends than that means they are not gay and I can continue liking them and B/TS” (yes, I’ve seen such comments and they left me feelings very yikes as well). And those are just a few examples.

Let’s look at the way Friends was performed at BangBangCon. Jimin and Tae wore their former school uniforms, had dumpling props, and the stage was designed to mimic the bus stops for their school but also where BH used to be. Through this they’ve essentially created this vision and idea in people’s minds that “aw they are such cute school friends” (you can find comments like that on all possible sns platforms under any and all vmin content that reaches past just vminnies). They knew many won’t go read the lyrics and thus won’t know how meaningful and deep they are, most just heard a happy, upbeat song along with seeing that stage performance, and voila the “vmin friends” agenda is thriving.

But, in the grand scheme of things, even if some of this might sound a little harsh or stupid (which it is), it makes sense if you remember how private Jimin is about his private life (here’s a great review of Friends that goes into detail about Jimin in this context), how he rarely shares anything truly personal with us, and he himself once said that he doesn’t like sharing his favorite things and people (Winter Bear or “Go play with your hwarang hyungs”). Tae might seem a bit more open when it comes to gushing about Jimin, and yet even he still chooses his words very wisely, carefully, and says just enough for us to understand what he means yet without giving away any too specific details. So, by creating Friends and playing into that idea that some in the fandom already had/have, they’ve created this kind of shield for themselves behind which they can hide and feel safe, at least to a certain degree. They can do and say a lot of things, and yet no one really pay attention to it, like Tae asking Jimin to come sleep next to him, which has a variety of implications, very meaningful ones at that. And yet most have already forgotten that, or not even noticed that being said to begin with. 

Remember that song Tae shared with us on twitter? About the umbrella? How he wants to protect his love with an umbrella? Which is also a motif that shows up on the cover of Snow Flower as well? Friends and the “vmin are just besties” agenda are like that umbrella. 

Also, I (Admin 2) don’t know if you’ve noticed this but occasionally/often times when Jimin initiates some form of physical contact with Tae, he tends to look as though beyond the camera like he’s trying to see if it’s okay or if he isn’t going too far, you know what I mean? Or that time at MOTS ON:E at the end of EGO where Jimin was playing around with Tae yet straightened up and pretended like nothing happened the second he realized they were on camera. Or during the Break the Silence: Persona movie commentary when Jimin was laughing and threw himself toward Tae’s lap, he turned his head toward the staff and cameras, thus remembered they are not alone, and quickly moved back to his spot on the sofa. That makes me wonder if there aren’t also people at BH who control/oversee this aspect of things as well when it comes to vmin, while not necessarily doing the same things with other members. If maybe the whole idea behind it is to keep the main ships going while “hiding” (and by that I don’t mean that ridiculous theory of hiding one gay ship with another because we all know that’s stupid) the one that is/has potentially to actually be real as to not ruin it or pull it onto a level of potentially coming across as just fan service or boys being silly with each other as well.

To sum all of this up, we agree and we think that Tae and Jimin are surely in favor of being friend zoned by most since it means no one (or at least fewer people than with others in a similar context) is trying to push themselves into their bond, to pry at their privacy and do with them what they do with others, as in create some kind of warped version that has nothing to do with the truth or reality. Besides, even if vmin are real, it doesn’t change the fact that they are best friends/chingu as well. So really, it isn’t the kind of drag or downgrade people might think it is since really, the strongest romantic bonds are built on deep friendship, and it seems like Tae and Jimin have built themselves a very strong foundation, one that the notion of friend zoning them will never be able to shake or break. After all 95z is love.

Thank you for the great question!

[lesbian-vmin]

Ask Roundup #1 - Vmin

Hey, guys! I promised to be here at least once this weekend and answer some asks. As I’ve been terribly busy with work, a lot has built up in the in box. With over 200 asks to get to, I decided it would be better to take an idea from romanticdrift and do an ask roundup and sort of answer what I have so far. No, I won’t answer all 200 in this post because a lot are very similar. But I’ll be summarizing asks and clearing out my inbox. Many of these are paraphrased, but keeping the original context. (vmin focus only)

Discussed in here

The importance of vmin friendship

4 o’clock

Chim’s reaction to Tae calling during kimbap live

No vmin live

Sad Tae / Vmin tension

Vmin friendzoning

I was going to add more asks to the mix, but this got really long with just the few that I answered. I also tried to do a mix of soft vmin and people wanting me to expand on some idea of vmin not being close or the “friendzone” thing.

(BELOW THE CUT)

anonymous asked:

Part of me wishes that vmin was real. Another part of me doesn’t want them to be. Don’t get me wrong, I ship them and don’t have a problem with the idea of them being gay and in love. But somehow I really like the idea of them being best friends who just really care deeply about each other. Does that make sense?

That makes perfect sense to me, honestly. I often talk about the value of friendship on this blog and how friendships are just as important as romantic relationships. If vmin have the close bond they do with each other, and it’s totally platonic, it sort of proves that there are friendships out there that have connections just as deep as romantic love.

This is one of the reasons I don’t push the “romantic vmin” agenda too hard. Because their friendship is perfect and ideal if that’s all it is. It really puts the statement “something deeper than friendship” to shame. Because what’s deeper than friendship? In fact, a romance with someone you can’t also consider your best friend doesn’t seem deep at all. It’s almost like “friendship” is what make romantic relationships deep. You know what I mean? You just won’t have the same connection with a romantic partner if you’re not also friends with them. So it’s silly to me how friendships are often devalued.

Regardless of what type of relationship vmin have, I think it’s okay for them to be the model of the type of relationship someone else would want to have. Whether it be with a friend or an s/o. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to have a romantic relationship that matches someone else’s friendship. And, if you don’t think vmin is real but still relate to them as “couple goals” because that’s the kind of relationship you want, then that’s fine. That’s actually sort of the kind of shipper that I am.

someone asked:

Tae started crying at the end of 4 o’clock during their performance. But if it’s just about the dumpling fight, why would he cry? Am I delulu? Was the fight really that intense?

someone else said:

Chim was smiling and stuff during the practice of 4 o’clock. So I think he had to have known that the song was about him?

These asks were from an anonymous person, but they were two separate asks. So I wanted to specify them as two separate asks in this post, but answer them together.

First things first. Let’s get a few links in here that you can reference to understand my answer a little better if you don’t know the whole story.

Four O’Clock | RM & V perform 4 o’clock live | The practice for the performance | The Friends Unit Interview | My (Old) Analysis of the Interview | Vlive in Which Chim Talks about The Incident | Vlive in Which Tae talks about the Incident

Okay. Let’s talk about Tae crying during the performance. I can’t actually say that he really cried, but he did seem to get emotional at the end. It’s a song that’s about a fight that is a big staple in their friendship. I think it’s pretty obvious that there’s more to the dumpling incident that they’re not telling us. I don’t think that’s the first time they would have had such an argument. They probably argue about whether to eat pizza or burgers all the time, and whether they should have dinner first and then watch a movie or watch a movie and then eat dinner.

Just the fact that Chim stated that he had to go and have a drink with Syub after the fight tells us that there was more to the incident than they are telling us. You don’t go and drink yourself drunk because you and your best friend can’t agree on whether to eat dumplings before or after practice.

I think that incident is one of the building blocks of their friendship. I think that it happened at a time they were going through a lot of changes. We know that Chim tends to be pretty possessive, and this was at a time that Tae started having his own schedule because of Hwarang. I think there were a lot of sudden changes to things, and that stressed them out and put some strain on their friendship. And it’s possible that’s entirely wrong.

Either way. It’s pretty clear there’s more to it than dumplings. But we can’t begin to analyze and figure out what it is and expect to be remotely accurate. And quite frankly, no matter how curious any of us may be, it’s none of our business. If they wanted us to know the “obviously more to the story” part of the story, they’d tell us.

And now. I guess I could have handles the two asks separately. But anyway. I’ve already talked about how I think Chim did already know that 4 o’clock was about that incident. So check the interview analysis I linked above for my discussion on that topic. I’m going to be going through my analyses soon and updating them, but that answer will do for now.

anonymous asked

You talked about Tae calling Chim on his live but what your thoughts about Tae caling during Ji / kook live. Chim was so unprepared and Kook was laughing about Tae calling and I guess Chim’s reaction to it. Chim didn’t seem to be in the flirting mood. I just wanted to know your thoughts on it.

I believe I have talked about this before somewhere, but I’m not entirely sure. So the live you are referring to is the kimbap making one (x). So, I’m going to reference the Mandago Incident in this answer, and I did an analysis on this live before. I’m going to link to the analysis I made. A link to the last mandago live can be found in that analysis. (x)

During the last mandago that we got, I really got the feeling that Chim wanted to do a live with Tae, but Tae didn’t want to join him. We have Chim being all sour and pouty and even down right petty in that last live, and I sort of got the same vibes from his behavior when Tae called during the kimbap live.

We know that Chim keeps saying he want to do a vlive with Tae, but it never happens. What the real story behind their lack of a live together is, we may never know.

I have a theory about this one, but it is just a theory. It’s probably not even remotely true, and there are thousands of other possibilities than what I’m about to say in regards to this live.

I think that it’s possible that the Ji / kook kimbap making live was supposed to be a vmin kimbap making live. Or vmin / kook, but I’m leaning further away from that option for this analysis to make a little more sense in relation to the mandago one (which I compare it to).

This analysis is assuming (1) that the kimbap making was supposed to be Chim’s live originally (2) he originally invited Tae to do the live with him (3) Tae refused (4) Chim wanted to do the live, but not alone (5) He asked Kook (6) Kook accepted, and they did the live together.

That’s a lot of assumptions to make for a logical analysis, but it’s seriously the vibe I got from Tae’s phone call.

Let’s look at the key points from the mandago live:

(1) Chim wanted to do Mandago (2) He wanted to do with Tae because it’s their thing (3) Tae didn’t want to come (4) Chim invited Kook instead (5) Kook came

After Kook joined the Mandago live, it didn’t take long before Tae joined as well. As stated in my analysis, you could make the argument that he wanted to eat as well (because they had food), but he ended up bringing his own food. He didn’t have to join the live to eat if he already had food on his own. I think he was upset because Chim was doing “mandago” without him. Even thought it ended up not really being a mandago live and more of Eat Jin.

Chim’s behavior in both lives really seems similar to me. So I sort of got the feeling that Tae was originally supposed to be part of the live but refused. Then when he saw that Chim was with Kook instead, he got upset. He called Chim, and Chim got upset. A “if you wanted to be in the live, why didn’t you just do it” sort of upset. Like, if Tae didn’t want to do the live with him, why is he calling during the live? Knowing they’re live? You get what I’m saying.

And, no. I’m not saying this is a Ji / kook vs vmin thing. And I’m not even trying to imply any sort of unhealthy level of jealousy here. I just think (if this theory is remotely correct) it shows how Chim is being real with us. He’s not just pulling our leg and saying that he wants to do a live with Tae but he really doesn’t and it’ll never happen. I think, again - if my theory is remotely correct, this shows how Tae doesn’t want to do a solo vmin live with Chim. Even if this theory is correct, it’s possible that Tae would have called regardless if Kook was there or not. Because, based on the theory, he was initially invited, but he didn’t want to be there in person. Alone. With Chim. For whatever reason.

Again, relating it to my theory, I think Tae either called because (1) If Kook was going to be there, he would have joined. Because that would have been a third person, keeping it from being him and Chim alone. So when he saw Kook there, he wanted to make himself part of it somehow. Or (2) He would have called even if it was just Chim because he’s more okay with talking on the phone than being there in person. 

I might do an actual analysis of the kimbap live, but we’ll see. It’s easier to talk about a theory here than to actually analyze because there’s not a lot to go off of without making assumptions.

related to this, anonymous asked:

Why do you think vmin won’t do a vlive together?

With some other saying that them not doing so makes it hard for us to see that they are really friends.

So, my idea on why they won’t do a vlive together is a little different than what I’ve read around. I think the reason it doesn’t happen is simply because they don’t want to, but not for any particular reason other than taking the time to do it. I’m going to explain.

We can make the argument that they are comfortable with each other and don’t want to have to be too careful. But I think that’s a copout for thinking a little deeper about it and making it more realistic. Yeah, it’s possible that they’ll have to watch themselves while they’re live, but what makes that different than any of the other members?

Ji / kook can have a live together, look into each other’s eyes, tease each other, and all kinds of things during vlive, so...why is the case different for them than with vmin? I don’t really think that them having to “watch it” has anything to do with them not doing a live together. It’s not like they’re really going to “forget about the camera” and accidentally make out or something. Even if they are in a relationship. They wouldn’t do that.

My honest belief, until I’m given reason to believe otherwise, is because they simply don’t want to. Vlives are often done from the studio or some other place where they work (if not hotel rooms). We don’t get random vlives of them living day-to-day life or going to Lotte World. So this means that most vlives we get are planned for work, or done during down time from work. But it’s always related to work somehow.

I really think that Tae and Chim are best friends and enjoy spending time with each other the same way any other friends do. When they are together, that’s their time, and they probably don’t want to share it with us. Because they share a lot of things with us, and I’m sure they have things (like their friendship or time together) that they want to keep for themselves. Despite Chim acting like the more private one, yet wanting to do a vlive with Tae, I think this is why Tae refuses. Because, although he doesn’t seem to be shy about expressing his love for Chim, he wants to keep their private time private as well. 

And that’s all I think it is. And, honestly, if that’s the case, we can relish in the fact that we don’t get vmin lives. Even if getting one would be nice. It’s nicer to know that they want to keep their private time private because their friendship is important to them and they don’t want to make it about us. And. Who knows? Maybe the mandago thing and the dumpling incident all have a part to play in this. Because maybe the publicity put on their friendship at the time is what caused those kinds of strains to happen. And to avoid something like that again, maybe that’s why they won’t go live.

But. I think it’s possible we’ll get one eventually. I haven’t given up yet.

anonymous said:

HI. I would just like to remind your readers about 2020 Festa: Unit Interview @12:31 VMIN was asked: What do you want to say to each other? Tae somehow refused to answer and just said: "WE ALWAYS SAY IT TO EACH OTHER." There's NO NEED to say what they feel for each other openly. No explanations whatsoever. As Chim said in Bon Voyage 2, not us, not even the members can fully understand what they feel about each other.

Remember what I said about no theory being good enough to be truth behind vmin? This anon gets it.

a mix of asks relates to

I don’t know why people keep saying Tae is sad or that vmin are fighting. They are fine. Nothing’s wrong.

I don’t know what’s more harmful. Assuming someone is sad all the time. Or assuming they’re fine all the time.

There are times when Tae is obviously down, and he shows it. I think he doesn’t try so hard to put on a fake happy face for us, and I think that’s wonderful. It’s okay not to be okay, and we really don’t have a lot of icons out there that let us know that. They may tweet and talk about mental health and the importance of it. But celebrities that actually show their mental status or even talk about their own level of happiness is far and few between. People think they’re happy all the time, and those that do say they’re not often get attacked because “why wouldn’t they be happy? They have fame, money, and everything?”

If you don’t see that Tae might be sad at a particular moment, or don’t think that vmin has a moment of tension, I guess that’s fine. But to say that it never happens is obviously false. Everyone gets sad sometimes, and everyone has tension with their closest friends.

That being said, those who go overboard and act like Tae is never happy or that vmin hate each other...yeah. That’s a bit much and needs to stop. Tae’s emotions are dynamic, and vmin love each other.

another mix of asks relates to

Do you think vmin are intentionally trying to friendzone themselves because they don’t want us to get suspicious? Or do you think they want us to know that they are only friends and shipping makes them uncomfortable?

Friendzone what? Like. What?

Regardless of what Tae and Chim are together, they are still best friends. The one thing that we confirm about their relationship is indeed that.

I really don’t think they ever say “he’s my best friend” in a “no-homo” kind of way, and that’s sort of what both scenarios presume. Two men can call each other “best friends” without having an implied “no-homo” label onto it.

And let me talk about this “no-homo” thing, okay? I’m not sure how many lgbt people are asking this question, but from my own lgbt perspective “no-homo” was always a little offensive to me. Like, why can’t you just give your bro a hug? Or why can’t you just say “I love you” to a friend? Are we really to the point where people have to say “no-homo” because they don’t want to give someone the wrong idea?

Honestly, my best straight male friend hugs me and tells me he loves me all the time, and he sometimes says “no-hetero” when he does it. And I love him to bits and pieces in a completely no-hetero kind of way because he started the joke because he realized how offensive the other statement was. At least, how much it bothered me regardless of how any other lgbt people felt about it.

Anyway. My point is, regardless of what kind of relationship vmin have together, I’m sure they say “he’s my best friend” because they are best friends. Regardless of any other labels they could have, they are best friends, and that’s what they want to let us know. I don’t think it has anything to do with dumbass “friendzoning” or “no-homo” shit. I don’t think they have some ulterior motive by simply stating that they are best friends.

And. Honestly. I if I asked my sister who her best friend is? She’d say her husband (or me lmao). If I asked my best friend who her best friend is? She’d say her husband (or me lmao). If I asked my straight male best friend? He’d say his wife (or me lmao). So. Again. My point is. Your significant other can be your best friend, and referring to them as such doesn’t mean you are friendzoning them.

It doesn’t mean that vmin is a real couple. It doesn’t mean that they’re not a real couple. It just means that, if they are, they’re obviously not going around introducing each other or talking about each other as boyfriends.

[milamess]

Jimin

Enquanto você ri, sinto todo o seu brilho; Mas não sei se são dos seus olhos ou do seu sorriso. Sinto meu coração acelerar Meu corpo está se deteriorando E apenas por te amar Estou me entregando. Está sentindo? Sou tão desastroso Você pode estar mentindo Enquanto me olha e fala choroso. "Somos só amigos nada mais" Eu sei que meu lugar estará sempre aí Mesmo que desse modo não me satisfaça Mesmo que a dor venha me consumir Espero que nossa amizade nunca se desfaça. Eu te amo Jimin. E você também me ama. Como seu amigo.

[nekathyran]

FESTA 2020 - Subunit interviews - Vmin

Hello there~ Now that Festa is over, I can finally breathe and analyse everything. It was a ride for all vminies, that’s for sure!

I want to talk about the Vmin Subunit interview. A lot of very interesting things were said, so buckle up, that will be a long post!

With the song and now the first performance of Chingu, we know that Jimin wanted it to be cute and funny. Everytime they talked about it, they focused on the first part - the one talking about their youth and developing friendship.

Surprisingly (or not), they are very shy about the “let’s-always-stay-together-my-soulmate” part. During the performance, they barely sang it face to face.

When Jimin mentions the “cuteness” of the song, Taehyung says that he did not expect such a lightweight song, and that’s very interesting.

[To be continued under the cut]

Taehyung said that he expected them to do a “weighty” and “serious” song. Why would a song about a blooming friendship be such a serious matter?

Like always, Jimin’s body language says everything. They surely discussed the question many times : Taehyung prefers serious and romantic songs (Sweet Night being the latest example).

So Taehyung expected to do a serious song about their relationship. But we know that romantic songs between two men are a big no no : Tae’s Christmas Song is still in boxes. Jimin adopted the practical and pragmatic option : doing a lightweight song about youth and friendship, so the song is less controversial. It screams “we’re only good friends”, and at the same time the “soulmate” part is still deep and serious. It surely was the only way to release a song about their relationship without being censored all the way.

That’s why the duality of Chingu is fascinating. It wasn’t “predictable” because even with the cute-friendship-part, it still had the serious-soulmate-part.

About the question “What changed after spending their teenage and twenties together” :

Soulmates at their finest <3 It’s interesting that Jimin mentions patience two times. I remember Jimin’s letter to himself in BV3 :

Be next to people I want to be with Do things I want to do for a long time Do everything I want to do later It will happen at some point

That seems to be Jimin’s philosophy concerning his relationship with Taehyung : be patient. Now is not a good time - in the future they will be able to live peacefully together. One day when this cheer dies down, stay hey You are my soulmate

I think Jimin and Taehyung disagreed on the publicity of their relationship, but they finally accepted the fact that they need to keep it a secret. Taehyung is still out there writing romantic songs about Jimin (and apparently only vminies understand everything *cough* 4 O’Clock *cough*), but nothing is too obvious, because they also keep the distance and friendzone each other all the time.

Okay, that’s incredibly cute. Their relationship has so much more to be, and they want to keep building it stronger than ever. <3

Now let’s talk a moment about 4 O’Clock, shall we. 

Taehyung says that he wrote 4 O’Clock after the park-incident. Jimin acts surprised, like he didn’t know that. He looks right, left, at the camera - he seems shy and avoiding. No wonder why, since 4 O’Clock is an ambiguous romantic song - Jimins wonders if it’s okay to say that in front of the camera.

Taehyung doesn’t understand why Jimin seems to have forgotten that fact, and says that he already told him.

Even if Taehyung already told him, Jimin says he had no idea. He could have honestly forgotten that fact, who knows. To hide his embarrassment, he jokes about the incident, trying to close the subject.

Taehyung surely knows that Jimin wants to avoid the subject in front of the camera, but nonetheless, he repeats it : this is seriously how he wrote that song. Jimin jokes again and repeats “you can’t do this” : you can’t go around revealing things like that Tae!

To end this interview, I really was shocked about the GIANT CUT here. Taehyung was saying “We always say it to each other” - and then he was cut. His answer is edited and we will never know. But us Vminies know that it was something along the lines of I love you or something. It apparently was judged inappropriate by the editors, who cutted to them saying a neutral “Good work”.

Tae’s words are surprising, because the only very unexpected things that were said in this edited interview was the reveal about 4 O’Clock, or more details about the Dumpling incident. Option 1 : Taehyung thought that this information really was unexpected by us Option 2 : they said more things and these things were edited out.

Jimin says that they don’t know how this interview will be edited and published - so they don’t really know which segments were cut. When Vmin talk about their relationship, there’s so much to say and so much to keep secret that it’s delicate.

Aaaaaaand we end this on the famous Vmin-Friendzone-Thingy.

They really want to convince us that they are just some very, very ordinary friends. Jimin could mean by that that even if they’re famous, it’s an ordinary friendship like every other. But we know that their bond is a very special one.

Taehyung’s words could have a double meaning here. It could mean : “We’re just two boys in love. It’s not special. We’re not different than any other people. Don’t find it awkward”. Since Korea is not very open to LGBT+ issues, and there are still improvement to see all over the world on this particular question, it’s a sensitive subject. Taehyung is joking around : yes I have written a romantic song about my best friend, no it’s not weird, yes we like to talk about our relationship, no it’s still not weird.

And voilà, my thoughts about the Vmin interview. These are my personal thoughts, and I do not possess the power to read Tae’s and Jimin’s mind, and I do not know anything about the truth of their relationship. I still hope that you enjoyed this analysis! Have a good day~

[not-goldy]

So is Taehyung about to drop a diss track love song friends to lovers to exes back to lovers on Jimin or hit him with an, I wanna end the Friends and be more with you Jimin song to add to his Jimin song collection over the years, cause what on earth is this man doing? Look I love Jikook & will fight you over Jikook, but No way in hell Tae didn't know the title friends was gonna be associated with Jimin. Vmin been trending all day cause of it. I saw Tkk and jikookers raging all day fighting Vmin shippers. LMAO. Anyways. Does he even know what he's doing, is more the question? He is so confusing most of the time. Out here telling Jimin he likes him the most, while carting off to Paris and holding his GF's hand, well maybe ex girlfriend now, while namedropping Jk every other day. This man is so unpredictable. Posting Jikook doing questionable shit on a bday post for Hobi, but then posts pictures of his matching clothes with jennie, but then wants to drop a 'LOVE' song with the same title as a song he has with Jimin. SIGH. Anyways, COIN TOSS. Is it about Jennie or Jimin cause we know damn well its not about Jk or any other member, cause I don't think for a second, he'd outright shit on a title track he has with Jimin to relate to any other member. Pretty sure Jimin would throw hands over that anyways.

I'm honestly half kidding around here, but Someone pass the popcorn still, cause I'm seated for this one, considering I still have questions about Love Me Again, Blue, Rainy Days & For Us having coincidental Vmin references in them. Just repair whatever the hell is going on you two, cause we tired and want our 'Vmin Lesbians' era back.

Giving how bored and desperate I've been lately for some content- I'll take this and run with it

Love how it has us all fired up stretching our brains.

Could be the end of his being friendzoned by someone else or a melodramatic request to be taken out of the friendzone or just a plain ass earth to shippers friends is over cos hoes can't be trusted these days.

Either way I'm here for it🙂

I feel alive again 🙃

Just what I was craving for- drama and chaos 🙂

Oh- it better not be about Jimin if it's the later cos what the hell dude jx be minding his business don't go and get him dragged by your toxic stans and shippers 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[btsandvmin]

“Don’t ship friends”

You might have seen the small drama on Vmin twitter, but even if you haven’t first of all good for you. Secondly, as a Vminie I am sure you’ve heard it many times before either way. Vmin are PLATONIC soulmates. Don’t ship them, they are JUST FRIENDS. etc. (I mean we must all be quite tired of it by now.)

The thing is....

1. I am sure ALL members are actually friends, or even consider each other as family. If it doesn’t stop you from shipping all of them don’t dictate what other shippers should do. If you can ship one ship but need to insist others doesn’t ship a rival ship that’s you being a hypocrite no matter what reason you might try to tell yourself.

2. Falling in love with a best friend is a real thing. It happens and it does not make shipping two people who consider each other best friends (and soulmates) impossible or immoral.

3. You need to remember that shipping is FANTASY! You can’t dictate why or who someone ships because it’s based on preference and imagination. 

4. Taehyung himself has a song with the lyrics “are you my best friend” and “how could I know one day I would wake up feeling more”, if even he seems to believe falling for a friend is possible then who are shippers to say we shouldn’t ship Vmin.

5. Do these people know anything about being LGBT+ and how many couples have referred to each other through history?

(Just gonna leave this scene from Bohemian Rhapsody here, don’t mind me.)

“Jimin is my only friend“, sure. But honestly it doesn’t have to mean “Jimin is only my friend.” And even if it did it shouldn’t matter because once again, shipping is fantasy not reality.

Anyways, sorry for this rant. I am sure I am preaching to the wrong crowd (as Vminies I am sure most of you are already well aware of what I am saying in this post), but I just need to went my frustrations. It just amazes me how hypocritical some people can be. I really need people to understand what shipping is and what it isn’t and let other shippers ship in peace.

(I can’t believe this brought me back from my break... Sorry.)

[handsomejinspiration-blog]

okay but why do people keep friendzoning vmin though????

[not-goldy]

So let me get this right, people actually think Tae likes JM as more than a friend, but people ship him beyond all doubt with JK, whilst people also ship JM with Yoongi, and just about anyone in the group at any given moment, and then we have JK and JM, who seem genuinely real. . So which is it? There is something about Tae that gives me bad vibes sometimes so I really hope it’s nothing but a good song and he doesn’t drag any of the members into some bizarre shipping war.

Some of us are Multis yea....

Jikook are an alt ship so I understand why that can be confusing to some of you.

Think of it this way, just because they are married don't mean we can't celebrate their friendships with other people 🙂

For Vmin sigh sneeze deep sigh

People make those connections because he has a weird obsession with Jimin that's lowkey like 😩

Every time we've theorized his songs are about jimin he's almost always confirmed that to be the case so vminers aren't exactly nuts when they say these things.

He has a tendency to write songs inspired by his friendship with Jimin. Cute. Not gonna lie.

I remember we all making jokes Jimin made friends to officially friendzone that man so yea it is fascinating to see him come back with a song that says friends with the emphasis END.

He's very innovative creative and enmeshed in fan lore so I won't be surprised if this is a play on that and a cute way of pulling vminers legs. He does feed Tuktukkers so why not vminers or even Taejinners🙂

My only concern is if it's not executed properly it can turn sour quickly especially as he has a history of subconsciously triggering Stan wars due to his sometimes passive aggressive remarks and behaviors towards some of the members especially Jimin.

I mean if he posted a dumpling as cover to this song we all would have said it's reference to his dumpling fight with Jimin so I understand why people are trying to make a connection to Friends as well

[btsandvmin]

What do you think about namjoon saying things like "because you're close" , "because he's your friend" or "look at this heartwarming friendship" about vmin relationship (there's others but I don't remember right now) when vmin do something together or talked about each other fondly ?

What I think about this is probably fairly clear by now for those of you who have followed me for a while.

I think the members reactions and Vmin’s own reactions to some things that Vmin do are one of the weirdest and most questionable things about them. I really don’t see why they have to friendzone or act nervous etc. about Vmin when all ships in BTS (including Vmin at times) can do a lot of things without general fans thinking much about it. Mostly it’s just shippers who hone in on and over analyze, but even so they still keep doing things, sometimes even in ways like they want a reaction. 

But when Namjoon literally goes “relationship... friendship” or has to add excuses or commentary like “because he is your friend” to Vmin’s actions when it sometimes doesn’t even seem to make sense... Of course I will raise my eyebrows a bit. On top of that we also have the push and pull from Vmin themselves and other indications that they could possibly be a bit nervous or careful when they are alone or has the focus on them etc. And of course the other members as well, who all have their very own ways to react to Vmin. Namjoon just happens to be the weirdest one and less smooth about it. Which you know, is just Namjoon being Namjoon and a bit of a worried and perhaps over-involved leader.

I’ll talk about this in more detail of course, with examples, in my longer analysis. Thank you for the ask and excuse me holding in on a lot and saving it for later. But yeah, Namjoon is the prime suspect in the friendzoning Vmin case.

In short:  👀👀👀👀👀