#wouldn’t have been this bitter if they weren’t treating their minorities like absolute shit WHILE having the straight white dude be happy af

[pookienayeon]

good god. this luther and sloane storyline got boring so fucking fast. Who even asked for this? lmao they’re so vanilla, it’s sickening.

[petekaos]

hey, bro! i read u listing elements that could have been better developed in 2gether and started thinking about it. when it comes to conflicts, i'd like to see couples going through different experiences and dealing w/ them. we all know the love triangle trope - honestly this is extremely tiring for me - and i feel like having a third party is not always the best way to face problems and show a relationship development. +

in 2gether for instance, wtf is mil doing? at this point, what's his contribution to the story? i feel like instead of this weird crush on tine, he could be living his life and facing different obstacles. anything really. maybe explore why he hates sarawat and how he deals being close to wat's bro, idk. when it comes to sarawatine, we know that tine is insecure, so why not explore it in a more subjective way, getting to know the roots of this insecurity? +

i see how having a third party can bring this subject to light, but will the problem be solved after the other person disappears? there are many things that might make tine insecure and it would honestly be amazing to see him facing different situations and slowly overcome his insecurity issues. that would involve conflict, drama, fights, etc. and would be kinda refreshing to see (instead of jealousy then "oh ok that person is not going to tear us apart so everything is fine now"). +

i also agree that it would feel amazing to see them saying the words bi and gay, but i guess i am happy with the fact that we don't have to be constantly listening to ppl say "wife/husband" as if they weren't two men. i am happy the show explores friendship, tho i also think we could see more about their family relationships. if we are going to watch the characters' development, why not get to know more about them as individuals (someone's brother and son and friend), right? +

and holy shit, the way women are treated needs to seriously change! gmm loves to portray women as crazy beings about guys (yea TOL this also applies to u), which is disrespectful to say the least. the fact it's a mlm doesn't mean it's ok to pretend women don't need personalities or a more well-written role. i hope this will change in the future. and that we'll also get wlw from these great companies. i ended up talking to much. i hope i made sense. as always, thx for your insight! -- emo sis

hi hi! ah i absolutely agree with all of your points, like one of my biggest pet peeves is the need for a third party to jumpstart growth in a relationship. this isn’t all too prevalent in 2gether, but mil’s character just really pisses me off? not he himself, but the way he’s been written. like you said, he could have had his own storyline and progressed in his relationship with phukong wonderfully. there comes a point for every antagonist where you can’t redeem them anymore, and mil is hurtling towards that point of no return. and i really don’t want him to! he was a good source of conflict initially but his character feels flat now. like why does he hate sarawat? is there any ulterior motive or reason to his crush on tine? how does he feel about phukong being sarawat’s brother? why did he get a bit choked up telling phukong that he likes him... like a brother? his character could have been super multifaceted and three-dimensional and a good example of someone who makes mistakes (ie hitting on tine even when he has a boyfriend and doesn’t want to be hit on) but apologises for them (we could have had a great apology scene in ep 10!). but he just keeps pushing! and it makes me so sad because we could have had a TOL style storyline between mil and phukong where mil redeems himself and proves to phukong he’s worthy of his love, y’know? because right now i’m kind of like :/ about their relationship. phukong deserves better. 

god, yeah! tine’s insecurities hit so hard on my rewatch of ep 10. i see so much of myself in him--he’s in his first proper relationship and he’s scared he’s gonna mess everything up and all of these objectively minor things keep happening and he’s so frightened that sarawat will feel it isn’t worth it that he sneaks out to right the lil spirit house thing. how many times did he apologise this episode? too many. i feel the scene where he asks if sarawat really thinks they’ll be together in 10 years exposed how much tine truly feels that he’s not enough and not worth it. he tries to keep up the chic chic demeanor and while he’s soft with sarawat and shows him all parts of him, he’s scared that sarawat... won’t want him anymore. tine and the mortifying ordeal of being known... it hits so close to home and god i wish they would explore that in a way that doesn’t have to do with other people! i hope this will be touched on a bit more next episode with pam’s entrance but how much of that is gonna hang off pam? that’s the real question.

yeah i’m happy that they don’t use the wife/husband thing too much. the bar is underground, but... well, you know. and yes! the friendships are done so so well in 2gether and i really do wish we could get to see more of tine and his friends. familial relationships would be such a wonderful added bonus to this show, especially considering that tine and sarawat’s brothers are also part of side romance storylines. tine and type are amazing and i adore their relationship. as an older sibling, i see so much of myself in type, like we’ve known our younger siblings all our lives, know all their insecurities and exactly how they could be hurt, and that’s why we protect them with all our lives, y’know? i would love to see more of sarawat and phukong and wat as an older brother! i think wat being the older brother is something really interesting? and i wish they would explore more of his relationship to phukong and being his p’.

i could go on about the treatment of women in 2gether and gmmtv in general. honestly there are very few times they’ve done women right (he’s coming to me was a good one!) and i wish they wouldn’t portray women as part of fanclubs and as fetishisers. i would love to see more earn and pear, obviously, as tine and sarawat’s friends and people they’re close to! it would make sense to see more of them, especially considering the fact that earn had that wack catfishing subplot with man. i’d have loved to seen an actual apology from him for that one as well. and air! air could have been featured heavily in ep 10 and i’m slightly bitter they didn’t actually, i mean she’s a huge part of the music club and it was a music club trip. i really hope that they do pam right and establish her as a character and not a plot device, if they do that right, then i’ll be satisfied. and yeah, i would love a wlw series from gmmtv. there are so many brilliant actresses who would take on those roles and execute them wonderfully! hopefully they listen to our prayers and see how many people would actually watch a wlw series and deliver soon. 

thank you for these asks, my friend! they really made me think and i always love to provide insight on all things 2gether and lgbt thai series stuff in general :’)

[monotype-on-phantom]

Do you think Kindred Spirits should've been the season 1 finale? Bitter Reunions, Shades of Gray and Maternal Instict are all set up to Kindred Spirits. Having the episode just be part of season 2 makes no sense. Especially since in season 2 Vlad doesn't really seem to care about having Danny as a son anymore. (That being said The Million Dollar Ghost should've been an Season 2 episode)

I absolutely do not think that, no. Sorry, but there are a number of reasons I think that would’ve been a terrible season 1 finale. Do those episodes contain some setup for Kindred Spirits? Yes, but moving the payoff for that to as early as the season 1 finale would’ve been hella rushed.

For one thing, Valerie’s character already gets the short end of the stick. Shades of Grey and Life Lessons are the only episodes in season 1 that dedicate any time to her at all. I’m not talking about solely episodes that focused on her. These are the only episodes that feature her at all aside from the time she spent as a background character before Shades of Grey. Valerie needs more attention prior to Kindred Spirits because a) that increases the emotional impact of the revelation that Valerie was being used to monitor Danny and b) she is extremely relevant in literally Danielle’s only other episode.

I will begrudgingly admit, Valerie’s kind of a minor point here, but I’m starting with her because she’s one of the characters who would suffer the least for this change.

You could make the argument that moving Kindred Spirits would do something for the plot, but it would destroy Danny as a character. Kindred Spirits taking place that early would see us missing such important development episodes for Danny as: Pirate Radio, Reign Storm, The Ultimate Enemy, Secret Weapons, Flirting With Disaster, and Masters of All Time. Season 1 Danny is still public enemy #1. He hasn’t worked out a lot of his self-loathing or character flaws. He’s still not that great at controlling his powers (and he doesn’t have the ghostly wail, which makes a significant appearance in Kindred Spirits). He hasn’t had the opportunity to mend his familial relationships. He’s met only two ghosts that weren’t enemies (one of which was a very minor character and the other started as an enemy).

While I love Danny, his development in season 1 wouldn’t have left him with much reason to give a single solitary shit about Danielle. He still sees basically all ghosts as evil. He hasn’t had his values challenged much. He’s still more of a fight first talk later kind of kid. Valerie was willing to let Danielle die at first because she was part ghost, and it took Danny some pushing to get her to realize she’d be helping to kill a human girl as well. For Danny, who grew up having it drilled into his head that all ghosts are evil, it’s easy to see why he’d have a similar mentality. He doesn’t even value himself all that much.

Kindred Spirits is originally toward the end of season 2. By then, Danny’s seen how complex ghosts can be. He’s seen that morality isn’t black and white. He’s seen himself go off the deep end. He’s seen Vlad could be redeemed. He’s managed to make friends out of enemies. He’s even fought alongside some of this greatest enemies. He’s grown a lot, and his ability to see Danielle as a person and even accept her as family is a great way to showcase that.

Now let’s talk about Vlad. If we go with your idea of moving Kindred Spirits to the end of season 1 and The Million Dollar Ghost into season 2, that gives us exactly two episodes before Kindred Spirits where Vlad is the main antagonist. People often cite Kindred Spirits as Vlad’s Moral Event Horizon, which I completely agree with. He plans to kill Danny, experiments on and clones him, treats Danielle as a pawn even though she truly loved him as her father, and falls so far into his delusions that he’s essentially replacing Maddie with a hologram and Danny with a clone.

That wouldn’t have any impact if the only episodes we’d spent with him before that were two where his obsession with Maddie is the entire focus of his character. The Million Dollar Ghost needs to be before Kindred Spirits because in this instance, he’s still trying to turn Danny against Jack. He hasn’t given up on making him his son yet. Reign Storm is important because it shows just how manipulative Vlad can be and hints at his greater plans, and it even shows Vlad helping Danny and saving his life. While I have my issues with The Ultimate Enemy, that episode is crucial because it shows that Vlad isn’t completely irredeemable. In a sense, having Kindred Spirits take place after The Ultimate Enemy is a good way of showing contrast. The only way Vlad can be good is if Danny isn’t, and vice versa. It’s also significant to have Vlad’s Moral Event Horizon take place after we’ve seen a world where Vlad was able to realize his mistakes.

I’m also going to throw Secret Weapons in here as an important episode, because that could easily be the last straw for him. Jazz isn’t as important to Vlad as Danny and Maddie, but she’s still Maddie’s child. He was overjoyed at the idea that Jazz abandoned Jack for him, and was willing to adopt her on the spot. Once even Jazz has rejected him and called him a fruit loop to his face, going to such drastic lengths as cloning Danny seems logical for Vlad, especially since we’ve spent so much time getting to know him.

Throwing Danielle in there so early would’ve also been a mistake, unless you planned to rewrite the entire rest of the show so that it included her.

Personally, I would’ve made Reign Storm the season 1 finale. To begin with, it’s the first two part episode, so it’s got the right feel for a season finale. It has the greatest stakes out of any episode up until that point. It’s got almost all the characters from past episodes returning to play at least a small part in the story. It gives significant development to multiple important characters.

Most importantly, it follows up on so much more than just Vlad’s obsession with Danny and experiments. It continues Valerie’s story arc. It gives Vlad more development and shows that there’s more going on with him than just being a creep. It addresses the development Danny, Jazz, Sam, and Tucker have gone through up to that point. The inclusion of Jazz is especially significant.

It’s also the episode where Danny is publicly acknowledged as a hero. His status as public enemy #1 was far more significant in the first season than Vlad was, especially if you only included two episodes in that season where Vlad was the main antagonist. Even when it’s not the main focus, Danny’s bad reputation is addressed in several episodes. I could easily argue that nearly half the episodes of season 1 are at least partially about that.

For my part, I’d much rather have Kindred Spirits show up late in the timeline, when other things have been resolved and the characters have been given enough time for it to pack a punch.

Besides, after episodes like Lucky in Love, Teacher of the Year, and friggin’ Attack of the Killer Garage Sale, Kindred Spirits would’ve felt like a really weird sudden shift in tone. It could be worse, of course. The Ultimate Enemy would’ve made a much more garbage season finale in this respect, but Reign Storm has a good enough balance of fun and intense while not having too much there that can genuinely disturb someone. The image of the melty clone’s eye falling out and dissolving on the floor might be too intense for this early in the show.

You’re more than welcome to disagree, but I can’t see any real benefit to making Kindred Spirits the season 1 finale.

Also, I apologize for the lack of images in this post. I didn’t really have the energy to go get a bunch from all over the course of two seasons.

[bievamohn]

Hi! First of all I wanna say your blog is really cool! But I wanted to ask: I gather you ship Eva and Sana so I was wandering if you'd mind telling me why? I feel like all of tumblr started shipping them overnight and I don't really see them together myself so I'm curious because I feel like if I've missed something. Thanks !! xx

I’d written a long ass thing for this and then accidentally pressed return. I somehow managed to write a really long post anyway, so I’ll put some of it under a cut.Disclaimer: I will be using the word q**er a lot, because it is a word the I personally am comfortable and identify with.

I’m just so in love with the idea of the two of them together, because I think it’s the kind of relationship that no one expected, but is great anyway. There are so many posts that I want to write about these two, but I haven’t yet. There are so many points that are central to why I ship Evana, but I can’t possibly fit them all in this post, so instead this has just become the backstory of my Evana shipping, and I’ll probably make another long ass post tomorrow.

First off, as I said, I’m queer. Plain ole gay. I love girls, and I love wlw ships, however many shows don’t really care about women characters and I am bitter.

But the girls in SKAM, god. As a young scandinavian, it is so refreshing to see an accurate portrayal of someone like me in a mainstream show, and I especially recognised myself in Isak, but that’s not what this post is about.The female characters of SKAM are (or were…) so well written, and while I initially did not actually expect to like the show, I did, because of the characters. Eva seems like what I would call one of Those Girls™ (I hate saying that, but you know, we’re all a little prejudiced), but we’re shown that she’s lonely, that she’s eats ice cream alone in her bed while watching Dr Phil, and that her skirt accidentally gets stuck in her tights. Now enter Noora, who’s kind to Eva, who ID’s as a feminist and I’ll say is definitely queer coded, more specifically coded as a lesbian. Eva get’s all excited about her accepting her friend request on Facebook and basically I’m head over heels for this ship before I even realised it. (rest is under the cut)

Come season 2, I find myself hopeful and then endlessly disappointed. I hated that season. I genuinely thought that Noora was going to be revealed (or whatever you say) as a lesbian, but no. Instead self-proclaimed feminist Noora falls in love with Willhell, after the way he has treated Vilde, the creepy shit he has said to Noora, and after him basically blackmailing Noora into going on a date with him. Excuse me, what?? Noora is a smart girl, and a lesbian I thought. He was terrible and Noora was so lovely and I just couldn’t comprehend it. Anyway, I didn’t let Noora’s sudden infatuation with Mr Terrible take away all my hopes. Bi, pan and ply people exist, @asianbambi recently introduced me to the idea of pan Noora, which I am absolutely not opposed to, or Noora could be experiencing comp het, which is a very real thing for many lesbians. With Eva kissing Vilde and also just being overall Great and Bi™, Nooreva still very much has my heart.This is probably where I should mention, that I didn’t like Sana originally. I thought she was too agressive and dominant, but as we got to know her more as a character during s1 and s2 I started liking her more and more, and at the end of season 2 I definitely liked her enough that she and her yellow hijab and sunshine smile in the last episode had me deceased.

Season 3 came with not a lot of girls, but a great deal of gay and also Sana. I was a bit disappointed by the lack of Eva & Isak friendship, but it is what it is. Season 3 was so so good and important, and I can’t even begin to express my love for it. O Helga Natt had me bawling for like a solid half hour and I’m getting emotional just thinking about it.I’m getting sidetracked, bc this is about Sana. I loved Sana in s3, everything she said was even more iconic than usual, and a thing that really made me love her was the talk she had with Isak about how homosexuality actually plays a natural role in evolution, because it showed us, that while she is an opinionated and independent character, she’s not afraid of admitting that she’s wrong. Throughout the season she’s just overall great and smart and beautiful (sorry i just love her sm) and she becomes my favourite character after Isak (who is mainly my fave because I recognise myself in his struggle with his sexuality and all that).

I was ecstatic when I found out Sana was going to be then season 4 main, and I was excited to see more of the girl group. While I was aware of some of the nasty shit Vilde had said, it just became so clear this season and also her and Magnus kind of make me want to barf (sorry), so let’s be real, Vilde high key cancelled. Evilde had been a minor ship of mine, but it never really took off because Nooreva had my heart and Evak took over my life (whooops). The first episode of season 4 was everything I’d hoped for, but then Julie wouldn’t let Noora and Willhell fucking go. Like it was bad enough with her interrupting Isak and Even in s3, but like it was an intersting way to build tension and I get it. But now? This is Sana’s season, and Sana and Noora weren’t very close before, what is happening?? Until recently, I didn’t really see Sana with anyone, but Yousef happened and boi was I excited about Yousana. They were cute, Yousef seemed to genuinely care for Sana, and I just want the best for her, so I was all aboard.Then episode 5 happens.

Noora? Cancelled. Yousef? Cancelled. Sana? Heartbroken. Me? Likewise. Evers since season 1 I have lowkey headcanoned Eva as bi, especially after the Vilde thing (you can pry bi Eva from my cold dead hands. god i love my url), and since Noora is now fully cancelled (or just don’t exist after s1, idk I suddenly haven’t seen her for 2.5 seasons) my bi daughter is all lonely and w/o a gf. But then @sanaseva saves me with a post about Eva x Sana and I’m like HECK YEAH. Because I love both Eva and Sana, and Sana deserves so much better than Yousef, and to me Eva is better. I’m very disappointed in the party girl Eva is currently being reduced to; basically Julie is making her one of Those Girls™, which is such a shame. But I love both Sana and Eva, and I am all about gal pals, to be honest I just see an opportunity. Sana is a smart sciency gal, can be a bit quiet, but is also fierce as fuck, and I think Eva compliments her nicely with her extrovertedness, her gentleness, her respect and loyalty to her friends, and the maturity we see at the end of season 1.

Also because I Sana was interested in Yousef and I don’t want to discredit that, I see her as bi, and tbh two bi people dating is great, regardless of their gender, because having someone who undestands that part of yourself is such a great feeling and so validating.So in short, Sana and Eva are bi girlfriends and they’re both great separately and together, and I love them..