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stobotnikbigbang · 3 months ago
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Stobotnik Big Bang 2025
Current stage: Teams sorted; work is underway!
Timeline:
March 27th - Moderator Applications open.
April 8th - Moderator Applications closed and chosen
April 13th - Writer sign-ups open
April 27th - Writer sign-ups close
April 30th - Artist and Beta sign-ups open
May 13th - Artist and Beta sign-ups close
May 17th - All participants will be contacted and invited to the server; you may begin work on your pieces
June 29th - First check-in
July 20th - Second check-in
August 24th - Third check-in
September 14th - Fourth check-in
September 28th - Final check-in
October 12th - Final deadline/posting of finished pieces
Requirements:
Writers: There is a 4000 word minimum for the event.
Artists: A minimum of one fully finished art piece.
Event Runner: EthanTheAnnus
Mods: Sentientflute, go2jail, agentquinn, kerbubbles
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FAQ
What is a Big Bang?
A Big Bang is a fandom event wherein writers and artists come together to create! Typically, a writer will create a fic that meets a certain minimum length requirement, and an artist will create an art piece based upon that work. Writers and artists are paired up to work on their parts until the posting date, where the pieces are posted together!
Who can participate?
Any fans of the Stobotnik pairing are more than welcome to participate! This includes writers and artists, but we are also looking for beta readers and moderators. Currently, there is no cutoff for the number of participants.
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Can I write/draw NSFW?
As long as you are over 18, yes! There will be a question within the application to confirm you are 18 or older; if you lie about this to us, you will be removed from the event. It is also required that writing and art of this nature is appropriately tagged and warned upon posting.
Can I participate as both an artist and writer?
No. For the sake of us here in the mod team and everyone participating, it is far easier if each person only does one thing, so you will need to pick one or the other.
Is there a theme?
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twopoppies · 11 months ago
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Hi Gina, how are you?
Is it true that Liam and Zayn were also part of The bears? I've seen Ziammie using this as proof. But I always thought it was something exclusive to Louis and Harry.
IIRC were a couple of moments where there were red/yellow smiley face/sad face stickers. And I think there were a couple of things mixed into a couple of set ups that seemed like they might fit Zayn or Liam but the bears absolutely were NOT focused on Ziam even 10% of the time.
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cynicallarrie · 3 months ago
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https://www.tumblr.com/policemanofprincesspark/780183167323832320/i-think-realistically-babygate-will-either-never
Not sure about all that but no doubt the kid is going to have his first rant by the age of 18 (directed to babygaters but larries in general) for the weirdest theories based on his existence ever since he was conceived and his dad’s name is still being tied to one of his ex band mates when he, as the most important thing in dad’s life, only knows the guy from his songs and didn’t even meet him in person.
Side note: i don’t think he would mention his daddy issues unless he wants to follow daddy’s footsteps and become a public figure for someone to ask about it particularly.
In what world is F the most important thing in Louis's life? He sees that kid probably three times a year.
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femannihilator · 9 months ago
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Adam Lanza’s very normal response to a question about virginity on SBB forum.
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thesandyhooktragedy · 8 months ago
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was adam lanza a pedophile?
this is a topic of hot debate. personally i don’t believe it add or subtracts much from his case, but nevertheless people love to discuss it. so let’s discuss!
why do people think he’s a pedophile in the first place? from a young age, lanza had a fascination with violence against children. in elementary school, lanza wrote several stories featuring violence against children.
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later in life, lanza would write a 35-page essay defending pedophilia as part of his college application. in this essay, lanza postulated that pedophile rights were part of the “liberation of children”, and that children should be able to make decisions as adults would. lanza also stated that he believed an “adult-child relationship” could be “beneficial for both parties”.
lanza would expand on this essay on his youtube channel, CulturalPhilistine, in an 8 part series titled “On pedophiles and children”. the transcripts for these videos can be found here
after lanza’s attack on Sandy Hook, police would find notes and basic sketches of scenes for a play called “Lovebound”, written by lanza, on his hard drive. the play would depict a relationship between a 10-year-old boy and a 30-year-old man.
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many users of the forum that lanza was on, Shocked Beyond Belief, seemed to have an impression of him that included him having an attraction to children.
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(full sources of picture one and three can be found here and here! these specific screenshots were found from a post by lanzagf.)
so, was he a pedophile? we have no definitive way of knowing, and there’s an equal amount of evidence suggesting that he wasn’t one. when police searched lanza’s hard drive, they found no sexual content featuring children.
it’s well known that lanza was an odd man all around, so perhaps his fascination with violence against children simply came from his “antinatalism” and general violent thoughts rather than an actual attraction to children. maybe the impression that other SBB users had of him came from his awkward personality.
the biggest question, i think, is does it matter?
an article published by the Connecticut Post puts it best—
Dr. Charles Herrick, the head of psychiatry at Danbury Hospital, said it is difficult with the information released to date to know if Lanza's interest in pedophilia had any influence on his behavior.
"The material related to his obsession with mass shootings is far more compelling about what is driving his behavior," he said.
although pedophilia could be a possible motivator of lanza’s attack on Sandy Hook, his fascination with mass shootings—something which appears to be a trend in a lot of mass shooters—is far more relevant. however, the Connecticut Post’s article offers an explanation on how lanza being a pedophile could’ve motivated him to attack Sandy Hook.
[Dr. Fred] Berlin said one could speculate that Lanza, if he had pedophilia tendencies, could have targeted the elementary school in an attempt to eliminate temptation.
"The idea is that someone who has a strong desire for something and they're forbidden to act upon it, they can be angry at the source of temptation," he said. "It's not unreasonable, given what happened. There must have been a tremendous amount of rage inside of him."
as i stated, there’s no definitive way of knowing whether or not adam lanza was a pedophile. either way, i don’t believe it adds or subtracts much from his case, as it does little to change much about his moral character. i don’t believe there’s any point in arguing about something that only serves to make a tragedy more disturbing.
what do you think? was adam lanza a pedophile or not?
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txttletale · 1 year ago
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genuine question--would you mind clarifying why the use of trans lesbian is bad in reference to a trans person who is a lesbian? am i missing some context? i tried googling but i got mostly just a lot of vile garbage. nw if you're done talking about this topic, that is understandable. have a nice day (saluting emoji which i dont have but please imagine it here)
sure. 'trans lesbian' is, like, a compound word that means specifically 'a trans woman who is a lesbian', and not just 'someone who is trans and a lesbian', in the same way that idk a 'little finger' isn't just 'a finger that is small'. & obviously i am all for recognizing that labels are just labels, that words are not the things themselves, but 1. this is not, like, some weird backformation or super restrictive definition that people make up to mean arguments, it's how that word is used in common practice by queer orgs, media outlets, the UN, and 2. i think that there is context here that makes it pretty important to be extremely clear about who is and isn't a trans lesbian in this sense.
the context is that trans lesbians (ie, trans women, who are lesbians) are like at the center of the hurricane of transphobia across the world right now. ray blanchard, the fucking pioneer of modern pseudoscientific transmisogyny, specifically singles out the 'autogynophiles' (as opposed to the 'homosexual transsexuals, who are trans women attracted to men') as dangerous perverts. TERF's most hateful transmisogynistic caricatures and canards of trans women as dangerous sexual predators who are threat to Women's Spaces are implicitly about the Trans Lesbian. it's a term that sent the entire transphobia industrial complex into overdrive when it was used in some UN org's tweet:
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these headlines are not about Trans people who are also Lesbians--both these articles are filled with all the usual bile about how trans women are really sexually predatory men who want to infilitrate womanhood. neither of the people writing these articles would like leslie feinberg for sure, but they also wouldn't think of hir as a Dangerous Predator Infilitrationg Women's Spaces. & so when the trans lesbian is the fucking like cultural boogeyman that politicians are determined to performatively target and punish, i think that using that language to describe people who aren't transfem is diluting our ability to talk about this kind of transmisogyny.
& i mean like, this is not just an abstract concern, right, because the instant that i initially took issue with was someone essentially saying 'wow, why do you think that people who obsess over SBB specifically and The 80s more generally as the end-all be-all of Queerness and Lesbianhood tend towards a transmisogynist view of thoes things when leslie feinberg is literally a trans lesbian.' like it is explictly and obviously a rhetorical sleight of hand which is why i treated that ask with the contempt it deserved.
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steddiebbang · 3 months ago
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Steddie Bang '25: SIGN UPS ARE OPEN
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It's tiiiiiiime! Sign Ups for all roles are officially open!
Author Sign Up Form Artist Sign Up Form Beta Sign Up Form
Like last year, we will be sending welcome emails in batches to not overwhelm our email account, so please don't panic if you don't get a confirmation immediately! There should be a confirmation message that appears on the screen once you submit to show that it's been received.
Also like last year, we will have a cap on authors to ensure we can keep up with all of your projects and do our best to pair teams in a reasonable ratio of artist-to-author! This year, we are capping teams at 125 authors on a first-come, first-serve basis. This may increase based on artist sign ups, and yes, there will be a waitlist should someone need to drop out during the sign up period! There is no cap on artists.
Please take a look at our guidelines, FAQ, and schedule linked below. As always, reach out to the mod team with any questions!
We're excited to see what you all create!
-SBB 2025 Mods
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cuties-in-codices · 1 year ago
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Congrats on the bachelor’s. Ang good manuscripts about justice, torture and execution? Its for my end of studies project lol
sure! it kind of depends on what you're actually looking for though. i could point you to hundreds of manuscripts that portray gory martyrdoms, torture in hell, fictional executions etc. in some shape or form (see my latest compilation of isaiah being sawn in half!). those aren't necessarily indicative of real-world practices/norms of justice though, if that's what you're interested in. anyways, here's some stuff i had to think of that might or might not be relevant to your question. keep in mind i'm not an expert on the contents of these manuscripts, i just collect images. :)
1.) the livre de la vigne nostre seigneur (france, 1450–70) is, imo, the place to go if you're looking for cool depictions of hell, demons torturing sinners etc... as for real-world methods of execution, scenes like the one on fol. 30r might be somewhat insightful (christians being persecuted and tortured by the antichrist in various ways):
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Oxford, Boudleain Library, MS. Douce 134, fol. 30r
2.) as for justice, i had to think of the sachsenspiegel, which "is one of the most important law books and custumals compiled during the holy roman empire" (wikipedia). here are some impression from a 14th c. edition, one of the first/original ones. every page is composed of the legal text on one side, and matching illustrations on the other. so, for example: at the bottom of the first image here (12v), there's an illustration for the law that said that pregnant women should only be penalized/tortured in a relatively mild way (penalties "on the skin and hair"):
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Heidelberg, UB, Cod. Pal. germ. 164, fol. 12v and 20r
3.) here's another manuscript that contains illustrations of henchmen of the antichrist getting creative with torturing people (bavaria, c. 1440):
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Berlin, SBB, Ms. germ. fol. 733, fol. 6v and 7r
4.) now this one's niche, but i personally really really love this 15th century (bavarian) series of images depicting ways in which various sinners/sins receive different eternal punishments in hell. each miniature is dedicated to a different cardinal sin or violation of one of the ten commandments. to give you an impression, here's a selection of sins and their punishments:
unchastity and gluttony:
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envy and wrath:
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adultery and false testimony:
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Nürnberg, STN, Cent. V, App. 34a, fol. 114r-123r
regarding medieval ideas of justice, i feel like this series illustrates the same concept that can be found in dante's divine comedy: "the punishment of souls by a process either resembling or contrasting with the sin itself" (see contrapasso).
so those were just some manuscripts that came to mind -- maybe some of this was useful to you, either way best wishes for your project. :)
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fookinhellcurlyyy · 4 months ago
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Is it okay to be Larrie but believe that Freddie is Louis's son? I feel like I get a lot of conflicting responses to that question but I wanted to know your opinion. Because I don't think I'm an anti, but does thinking Freddie's his son make me one? Same with the people who think that Larrie was real only during fetus days. Love your blog btw <3
Hi, Anon! Thanks for dropping by my little bubble lol ☺️♡
Tbh, I try my best to be as understanding as possible when it comes to how people consume and interpret the information they see. I don’t mind fans having different opinions than me—whether they think H and L are straight/bi, that Louis is a father, or that Larry isn’t real to them. As long as they stay on their side of the internet and don’t degrade Larries for having different opinions (I hate ableist language the most), it’s whatever.
That said, in my opinion, if you’re a no-stunt Larrie who doesn’t believe or support any of HL’s previous PR relationships, believes in the ironclad closet they were placed in, fully understood the RBB/SBB phenomenon (@skepticalarrie's post about this is a great read), and has learned the patterns and consistencies in Larry’s actions for the past (nearly) 15 years—then believing in L’s fatherhood is very contradictory. L is a gay man, so is H, and based on the information and clues we’ve seen over the years, we should all know they’ve been in a long-term relationship. The idea that L randomly cheated with a woman at one point, got her pregnant, and didn’t bother to disprove it (in any way possible like a simple paternity test) despite being at the peak of their careers at the time is a very weird concept to me.
If a Larrie chooses to limit their beliefs—whether they think H and L only dated in their youth, believe they’re bi, or simply 'ship' them because they look 'cute' together (partly influenced by the BL/MLM wave)—I really don’t mind. I’m not here to convince anyone, as long as they don’t shit on Larries who believe otherwise. Like I said, there are years and years’ worth of information we can analyze that point to the opposite.
Same goes for those who choose to step back; that’s totally fine, but it’s heartbreaking to see some of them turn against HL and Larries. And that’s what I meant when I said that some people just are just not invested enough to understand what’s happening (all of us have our own different lives, battles, interests, and priorities)—which is fine, as long as they don’t contribute to the hate (again, ableist language and constantly using mental health slurs). You do you.
But I'm not gonna be the one to scream at 'chill' Larries “NO, YOU’RE WRONG, SUCH A FAKE FAN” "you're not understanding it enough!" "you're dumb and naive" or "you don't care about them!"—nor go out of my way to trash-talk antis (eyeing you lurkers out here 🤨). Like what @tonix3 told me, for a fandom that has a TPWK tagline, most of us don't do it enough. 🥲
I think, at the end of the day, I care more about the Larries who keep the fandom alive, guide others (new and old), and continue to truly see H and L for who they are (because HL knows we see them, and occasionally they'd give us reassurances - no matter how small they are - knowing we'd understand them anyway). ♡
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louisisalarrie · 1 month ago
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struggle anon here. This is going to be an unpopular opinion but i really don’t get RBB and SBB. Yes the bears were at concerts and posted lots of gay references, but i haven’t seen enough evidence HL specifically were behind them. Maybe there is, but they’re such a big part of old fandom that a lot of discussions and even masterposts act like everything is obvious, which makes it hard for new fans like me to learn. Then when i ask older blogs questions, i get labeled an anti and ignored
HL were 100% behind it. have a look through the tags here for a bunch of resources which are nicely palatable due to being so broken down, and there’s so many things to go through and learn but you’ll have a bit of a better background and feel more comfy asking questions :)
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stobotnikbigbang · 3 months ago
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hiii genuine question for the writer and artist signups, will we be required to show examples of our work? because uh. none of my fics have ever been published, and i just wanted to check and see if i should speedrun editing one of them before the sign-ups open, aha
No examples of work required; the event is just for fun so there's no skill requirement or anything like that! The only thing that may impact people being accepted in is the amount of mods we end up with. So, in short, no worries if none of your fics have been published, because you do not need to have posted any writing or art anywhere prior to this event - you just have to be willing to post your finished pieces for the event itself!
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ishipmutualrespect · 1 month ago
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Seen you reblog. Number one thing that makes me believe Larry is real/ they were still together in 2015: rbb and sbb. Even we took anti’s perspective that it was the crew if Louis and Harry truly hated each other as was being marketed we would the crew do that. That would be so strange to fuel speculation’s your employers are gay.In a world were Larry were broken up or never real surely rbb and sbb would stop entirely or stop using gay allusion. To me their tip of the ice burg existence confirms Larry let alone all the deep dive stuff. Fandom can be tiresome so sometimes like this I try and think about how could this be the case if it weren’t real. Like if Harry’s straight referring to love interests were the question is explicitly female as ‘person’ ‘someone’ ‘they’ is such an unusual quirk. Or like Harry wearing Jay’s wedding wristband for ages if my straight bandmate bro did that I’d be weirded out like picture it was Niall who kept the wristband on and it just seems comical. I follow you because your opinons feel balanced, you don’t search for nonsensical clues that some people do out of boredom and I think you don’t harp on about stunts too much
Helloo and thank you so much for sending me this! I really really appreciated you telling me the reasons why you follow me. You couldn’t make me happier because those are the exact reasons I’d love people to follow me 😊
Back to SBB and RBB, I understand why people were so in awe of them AND I always wish I was here to appreciate them even more and in real time. It must have been so chaotic and I would have lived for it.
Tattoos are another thing that makes me say that yeah they are truly in love and in this. Their complementary tattoos are too self explanatory to me. When I first saw Harry and saw his tattoos on the big screen (but also not on the screen because the seats were luckily too good to be true 😭) I was shocked by his tattoos, like really seeing them on him was 🤯
That bracelet is another thing that keep me awake at night lol but also that post that I recently rb about the anniversary gifts… mindblowing! Also Louis is too romantic for my own good 🥹
Thanks again for sending me this message 🌸
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candle-lamp · 11 months ago
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Rereading SBB and writing what I notice: Episode 31-40:
- phantom npc pose
- Aiden jumping off the bus, Taylor holding the ladder for Logan, Ben holding Logan’s gun
- Aiden going “oop” when Ashlyn reacts to Taylor wanting to stay put
- the rest of the gang looking awkward while Ash and Tyler are arguing
- Ashlyn decided to become the leader out of guilt and I feel like that’s underused by the fanbase
- Aiden being like “hurry up or I’m jumping the wall by myself”
- Taylor’s pep talk saves the day, honestly the group would’ve probably torn themselves apart without her there
- I love Ashlyn’s parents but what the heck were they thinking putting  knives in her shoes when she was a kid
- Taylor and Ben standing together before they leave for the jeep
- Logan’s injuries fading to a scar in about a month
- party walkers!
- Aiden “I’m durable!” Clark
- the concerned faces of everyone when he jumped
- “I need a document for work and because the author needs a reason for you to grab your keys, it’s trapped in here”
- you can see the phantom that grabs Ash a few panels before
- Ashlyn coming up with “Mr Durable”
- first time we see Aiden really not smiling
- the phantom understanding Ashlyn (before getting boinked)
- Tyler carrying Ash, Ben carrying Aiden, also Taylor can drive (not well)
- Ben protecting Aiden and Ashlyn in the backseat
- Tyler getting sick (motion sickness, stress, both?)
- everything becomes more saturated as Taylor celebrates
- Aiden being the one to complement Logan’s shot (Aidlo shippers come get your juice)
- Logan previously practiced with Aiden’s airsoft gun (who let him have that?)
- happy Ashlyn (only possible when concussed)
- crane base is a warehouse somewhere in the woods
- the gang being goofy in the bg while Ashlyn hears the guy spying
- “EXAMS!! sobbing, crying, the end is near”
- the recording devices bug out in the graveyard
- bald crane is Ryan
- hooded crane refers to “both sides”, who are they talking about?
- tour guide is Jasmine
- Jasmine has takeout like she mentioned in her first appearance
- Jasmine can see the rift
- what is the crane’s “cause” they keep referring to?
- Ash’s dad “maybe we should call an exorcist?”
- still lots of questions about Ashlyn’s connection to the phantoms
- the twins telling Ash and Aiden to work things out bc they’re ruining the vibe
- Aidlyn hug <3333
- “you seemed like the type of person who wouldn’t become close to someone unless they were actually special to you” Aiden my boy do you hear yourself
- “*correct. you’re both socially inept”
- Tyler calling them cringy
- Logan comforting Ben after midterms, everyone looking depressed and Aiden just having a snack
- Ashlyn’s parents talk to Aiden’s parents
- Ash’s dad adding an extra seat to fit all the kids (he’s such a good dad I love him)
- Ashlyn that is not a safe way to sit in a car
- neither Ashlyn or Logan had ever been to an arcade
- Ashlyn plays DDR
- group study session where Tyler has given up and is just laying with a book on his face
- more Aidlyn moments
- Taylor also plays DDR
- Ashlyn giving advice on the basketball game
- Logan taking an air hockey puck to the face
- Logan destroying Ben in a shooting game
- Ben winning a ton of tickets from a strength game, Taylor clapping
- ew Barron
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deconreconstruction · 2 years ago
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does admin have a favorite troll ?
vast error admins, ASSEMBLE!!!
VICTORIA: PASCALSWEEP LETS GO!! for the real answer, its genuinely difficult... i was thinking about how fuckin phenomenal a protagonist arcjec is like. yesterday. but i think the funniest and the one i least complicatedly enjoy reading is jentha so. either arcjec or jentha
TYSON: i love arcjec and taz but they are like a unit to me. if forced to pick a single character at gunpoint i would have to say dismas, he reminds me a lot of a beloved oc i've had since like 12
XAM: murt. but she's lucky i also can't separate sestro and hamifi
EDDIE: my fellow murrit warrior!!! i've been in these goddamn trenches for years and no one will drag me out of here while i draw breath. i stand with my cancelled wife (special shoutouts to the runner ups arcjec, edolon and secily)
CIRO: if i have to pick one of the main cast, murt was my first love technically. if we're being historians about it
EDDIE: well not just main cast necessarily, the question was about favorite troll
CIRO: okay. edolo (sniper shoots me down before i can finish)
AUSTINADO: its arcjec. i think thats obvious to everyone and their mom
ALIEN: #serpazsweep
AUSTINWYNN: Fav Main 12: Murrit, Fav SBB: Necron
MARCIE: ellsee babey. but hamifi is a close second
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srldesigns6277 · 1 year ago
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Louis is SBB Harry is RBB take it up with them they decided but that is the way it is
Ok, if that's what you believe... but as someone who watched the insanity in 2015, and had seen young Louis know so many gay references before he was shoved it the closet, I have to disagree. Early on, there were multiple times where Louis would answer questions with slight lgbtq remarks as Harry and the other boys watched on, "early bird gets the worm", and it wasn't till later that Harry began making queer references.
Additionally once the bears existed their was originally no knowledge of which one was which. Throughout the lifespan of rbb, he seemed to wear more Louis style clothing; the ray ban sunglasses, the football kits and have a king crown. Often something attributed to Louis by multiple sides of the fandom. When sbb came into the picture in about the end of June - beginning of July, it was the more effeminate character wearing fairy costumes, skirts and a collar. Many considered this as the way Harry dressed and acted at the time. (Including the bandana as Harry’s day collar). It had nothing to do with size between h and l.
I got to see rbb and sbb once in the two concerts I went to. 08.05.15 and 09.12.15. Similar dress to as I explained was seen on them, however it was also a liam tribute due to hate. (Rbb was batman).
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velvetvexations · 8 months ago
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Anon who said I don't have to post their anons about CAGAB, I wasn't clear on if you wanted me to not publish them or just giving me permission not to. I still have them in my inbox. Your feelings are valid and you're always allowed to vent. <3
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The thing is, as you say, this is separate from the question of gender identity. What that post said about no trans woman being binary is true in extremely pedantic sense, the words themselves are technically accurate, but only divorced from the actual context of what it means to go against the cis-heteropatriarchal binary vs. people who identify outside of the division of humanity into just two genders based on any criteria. They are two almost entirely separate subjects. It's like saying you're Native American because you were born in America.
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I'm sorry anon. Your gender expression is just as valid, I promise. You're loved, I love you. <3
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The effort and care is nonetheless appreciated. I will always endeavor to pay you back.
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Yes, because it's the bad kinna trans.
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It's okay to be frustrated, anon. <3
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Ultimately people's gender expression is down to them but I get being annoyed at things that you can recognize as valid but have a tough time wrapping your head around. I'm very much the same way where there have been multiple things I didn't understand, at least at the time, and it bothered me because I'm just prickly like that but it's not acceptable to express that prickliness because you recognize you'd be the dick in that situation.
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Popular people often pull the ladder up behind them.
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I thought transandrophobes hated SBB?
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