#Thor discourse

[notagrayjedi]

Posts I want to write:

1. MCU!Thor’s hair as a reflection of his mental health (it’s more common than you might think!)

2. Comics!Thor’s casual alcoholism (PLAY DRUMS AND WAILING!)

3. Weird shit Thor has in his house

4. Endgame is not Thor’s Iron Man 3, it’s his Iron Man 2, ask me how (and it’s not for the reasons you might think)

5. Why Thor’s tentative character development in Love and Thunder makes the ending kind of troubling

Obviously feel free to shriek at me about any of these things in my asks or post or tags any time.

[sjbattleangel]

Face it, Darth Vader, Zuko, Piccolo, Vegeta, Magneto, Loki and Venom did far worse, unforgivable things yet when they were redeemed to varying degrees, fandom gave them free passes. Yet when Catra ,a child soldier who was physically and mentally abused by her mentor, realizes how much she has hurt the people around her; strives to be a better person; saves her childhood best friend and the entire world with the literal power of love (in spite of the series being cut short), fandom screams for her blood, yelling that she was "the real villain" and "should've died".

I have nothing against either Vader, Zuko, Piccolo, Vegeta, Magneto, Loki or Venom. However, when fandom declares a queer catgirl to be "the face of unforgivable evil", that's when we need to call out the blatant sexist, and kind of queerphobic, double standards.

And no, don't even give me that "BuT BaD WrItInG" thought-terminating rubbish. Funny how everything seems to be "BaD WrItInG" only when it involves some form of media made by and/or starring women, queer people and other minorities. Don't you think?

[helpwhatsthis]

I've been seeing a lot of discourse around Bob and Yelena in Thunderbolts* and I just want to remind everyone that Florence's idea of their relationship based on their scripts and what she knows from Marvel is FAMILIAR.

If people are arguing with you about why it's not okay to ship them, you need to think outside of the realm of "they just want yelena to have her comic sexuality" and start thinking about the fact THAT SHE SEES BOB AS A LITTLE BROTHER.

Would you ship Thor and Loki even though they aren't blood related? NO, because they view each other as siblings!

Would you ship Yelena and Natasha? NO, because even through they aren't blood related; THEY SEE EACH OTHER AS SIBLINGS!

Hell, even Wanda and Pietro aren't blood related in most of the comics but THEY SEE ONE ANOTHER AS SIBLING AND THAT'S WHY EVERYONE HATES THAT ONE COMIC RUN (iykyk.)

[the-end--of--the-line]

saw someone say that like. thor fans should be grateful t0ny exists, otherwise thor wouldn't have his sense of humour. how do i tell that person that the last two thor movies suck, and i hate his humour and the way he's written. i liked when mcu characters were written differently to each other, and didn't have the same senses of humour.

[alienfailboy]

do y'all remember when endgame said

"yeah the avengers left Thor to rot and become a alcoholic" ?

like yeah okay???? no?????? you mean to tell me bruce banner sacrificed his own autonomy to save Thor and his people and he didn't check on him ONCE after the death of his brother? after the death of Heimdall?? after the destruction of the refugee ship and desecration of half the universe, that Thor BLAMES HIMSELF FOR???? not bruce, not one avenger? not for FIVE YEARS????

yeah. okay. sounds fake but sure!

[curiositysavesthecat]

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[teh-nos]

the safeword is 'magna carta'

(that's latin for "wow this is a long list of things i am not allowed to do anymore")

[notagrayjedi]

almost all of Loki’s plans are extremely short-sighted and build on each other like a house of cards until they all fall down around him. He’s rarely two steps ahead of himself, and each decision is made based on how well the result will benefit Loki. Sometimes those decisions lead to him working for Thanos, sometimes they lead to him saving the people of Asgard. Loki isn’t really good or bad, he’s just Loki.

[worstloki]

oh god oh please not odin it's just a matter of time until frigga is here too

Upcoming discourse where people argue it’s more moral to bang a variant of your adoptee father than a girl version of yourself/your brother from another timeline

[lokiinmediasideblog]

Salty Take

My hot take is that I think "Thor was parentified" HCs don't make sense. He's royalty? With servants and such? He doesn't cook or clean for Loki.

Also, if you are going to argue about that Thor trusted Loki so much therefore nearly starting a war in Jotunheim was not his fault and it's all on scheming Loki". That sounds A LOT like Loki had to clean up his messes. And speaks to the opposite of "parentification" and being the more sheltered of the two.

Also, the claim that he has "eldest daughter syndrome" when in cannon he's an "eldest son" has the same vibes as those people that claim Tony Stark/Bucky/Loki/etc is "female-coded."

As if society had the exact same expectations for an "eldest daughter" and "eldest son", and as if "eldest son" wasn't historically the most privileged familial position. If you're going to use "eldest daughter syndrome" use it on Hela.

And also, it reeks of those people that think younger siblings are privileged and the oppressors of older siblings.

[nerdby]

If Loki knowing about the Infinity Stones in the television series has been tripping you up, please go back and rewatch the first Avengers movie--

In the first Avengers film, Loki had two Infinity Stones in his possession while battling the Avengers. One of them is the space stone which was encased in the tesseract and the other was the mind stone which was encased in Loki's staff. The mind stone was given to Loki by Thanos because Thanos knew it would aid him in making Loki betray Thor and try to take over Earth. This is because the mind stone acting as a drug that would allow Thanos to control Loki's thoughts and actions.

Because, like it or not, Loki is not stronger than an Infinity Stone.

So if you're confused about how TVA!Loki knows about the Infinity Stones, the answer is simple--

Thanos told Loki about the Infinity Stone in his staff and about the other Stones in the first Avengers movie, but also failed to mention the effect the stone would have on Loki himself. So TVA!Loki would NOT have needed to live through the events of any of the post-2012 MCU films to know of the Stones' existence.

[teh-nos]

right so u know that bit in thor: ragnarok when thor tells us about when him and his wee bro were the exact same age and his tiny brother turned into a snake and then stabbed him, having brutally exploited tiny thor's love of snakes?

and u know how in the wider thorverse context this story doesn't really make sense (how were they both eight. go back to that thor. explain it to us.) but the story being told is funny to me so i don't really care?

that is my attitude to the whole film really. and indeed to the rest of the thor films. they often make no fukcing sense. but i laughed so it's fine. (was i supposed to laugh? well that's a different question and one we can discuss at a later date when i can make myself care enough.)

[plutonis-sacerdos]

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[notagrayjedi]

Ragnarok loki is the best no one can change my mind

Agreed! To me Ragnarok Loki is a Loki who has spent the past few years feeling safe and working through his angst through theater and being fed grapes and it’s pretty darn great. But then Thor shows up and ruins it. Then he gets to hang out and be hedonistic on Sakaar, and Thor shows up and ruins it.

Except Loki’s not super bitter and angry anymore and they’re not at direct odds. Loki, at this point, is ready to move forward. Thor, at this point, isn’t ready to talk about any of it. It’s a role reversal that clearly makes Loki uncomfortable and he pushes all the buttons he knows exist.

Anyway, Ragnarok Loki had a lot more going on than just not being a pretty emo fuck anymore. (Also I get sad when people say they’d rather see him more like he is in Thor1 and Avengers1 - he was miserable in both of those! He actually seems happy in Ragnarok! Or at least more comfortable with himself and his relationship with his family.)

[varangianviper]

@king-of-darkness did you just call OG MCU Loki a monster in the tags?

Could you elaborate what you mean by that? I would suggest watching the first Thor movie, maybe it helps you understand Loki better as a character.

I mean you don’t have to like him, but calling him a monster is kind of… strange for a ‚Loki-fan‘? Or aren’t you one, then please just ignore.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but as an old-school Loki fan it hurts me deeply when someone calls themselves a Loki fan without getting basic stuff about his character right.

Like.. Calling him a monster is just cruel.

Thor (2011) and Avengers (2012) Loki.

The series is supposed to take place just after Loki was captured some minutes/hours later.