#Twitter syscourse

[cambriancrew]

Again over on Twitter: "I'm younger than you and I'm a college student and you're a loser who's nearly dead you're so old so when I say there was a ton of research on endogenics before 2000 and practically none after I'm automatically right even though you just showed me a 30+ page document of research since 2010 and I can't name a single paper before 2000."

Like this person would definitely fail any part of a course on logical reasoning.

To quote C. S. Lewis, "Dear me, what do they teach them in these schools."

Like I'm not even arguing that endogenics are valid or that the research is right. Just the volume of research. Which is a really easy thing to see. It's wild.

[sophieinwonderland]

So far, this conversation about RAMCOA, the ISSTD and the False Memory Syndrome Foundation has been weirdly lacking in takes from the ISSTD and the victims of the FMSF

I think a lot of people in syscourse are only being told one side of the story, and don't currently know about the memory wars from the perspective of the other side. So why not hear from the current doctor running the RAMCOA special interest group?

Here is the response of Dr. Jennifer Freyd, whose parents founded the FMSF after Dr. Jennifer Freyd accused her father of sexual assault, to that thread.

Here's another thread from Michael Salter discussing how the FMSF pushed the Satanic Panic narrative hard to discredit all survivors of CSA.

And I want to stop to mention here that undermining allegations of sexual abuse by labeling them as SRA to discredit them is exactly what the anti-RAMCOA people have been doing on here recently. Conflating SRA with RAMCOA in general to discredit RAMCOA as a whole.

I also want to mention that the first victim of the FMSF, Dr. Jennifer Freyd, did not accuse her parents of being involved in any sort of cult. But jumping hard on the SRA narrative to boost their False Memory Syndrome claims made it easier for them to discredit their daughter.

There are two sides to the RAMCOA debate. On the one side, you have victims of extreme trauma and a group of doctors who have dedicated their lives to helping those victims.

On the other side...

You have the False Memory Syndrome Foundation that was founded by accused child molesters to defend accused child molesters and discredit victims.

You have the Satanic Temple's Grey Faction which was founded to fuel the narrative of Satanists being victimized, using False Memory Syndrome rhetoric and reviving Satanic Panic claims to fuel their own victim complexes.

Then you have this latest bunch from r/systemscringe, a hate group whose motives don't seem to go any further than mocking systems because they enjoy hurting people.

This is a narrative that for the past 30 years, and has been consistently backed by the worst excuses for human beings on the planet.

And I am incredibly disappointed with anyone who has let themselves be manipulated into buying into the anti-RAMCOA talking points.

[imjustaf444keriguess]

like there has got to be at least one doctor out there that says endogenics are fake right??

there's ones that argue DID isn't even a real thing there's some out there that argue against endogenics openly and actively?? right??

[systemtermz]

Okay, attention whore. Yummy yummy attention for you, because tumblr broke our block button and I’m confused.

For a group of people that love to claim that they aren’t ableist the ones that interact with us sure do love claiming to be DID systems.

You’re not even stealing, you reblogged the post. That’s honestly the only reason I’m making this, you reblogged the post. We literally would have never known you were end0, hell, you could have just. Stolen the post and reposted it. And we wouldn’t have cared. We literally encourage that we don’t care about our flags that much.

I’m not even angry, I’m just confused on why you felt the need to point out that you’re an asshole. That’s. That’s all you’re doing. There was literally no other situation where we would have cared. You could have just reblogged the post normally. You’re claiming to have did and have no pinned post we would have never known.

You. You reblogged the post.

-Baron

[littldollyluna]

「 ✦ 𝐋𝐮𝐧𝐚/𝐀𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐞 ✦ 」

[sysmedsaresexist]

Small reminder: I don't like the guardian's document on pro endo sources :) anons, stop lying about me :)))

[daybreaksys]

Outer world (Twitter) discourse about alter race and bodily race always forgets:

1) nonhumans

2) the inner world is real, it's full of real interactions between real people, we have real experiences there

I literally only started fronting this year, and only inside our house, I only went outside once and I didn't speak to anyone, I'm one of the chronologically oldest alters in the system, I lived my entire life in the inner world where I'm seen as and treated as a Hybrit. Most people in our system didn't know the outer world existed until recently, but we lived a lot of stuff in that time.

Nonhumans faced undescribable violence in our system in the era I formed, for the reason of being nonhuman. Outworlders talk about nonhumans as if it is just a silly little pretend that isn't actually real. Like "okay but you're not really nonhuman, right? What's your race?"

Hybrit

"but what's your actual race?"

Hybrit

"The race you experience?"

Hybrit!

Okay, what's your body's race?

I literally don't know, it's complicated (miscigenation, family original cultures erased and homogenised, and more importantly: I DIDN'T LIVE IT, it literally did not affect my life in the slightest, I wasn't in the outer world body being treated as whatever it is you people would assume our body is, I was in the inner world hiding from humans and seeing my nonhuman friends being massacred and killed (put to permant* dormancy through pain))

*people only started coming back from dormancy after we found out we're a system and a lot of effort went into making our interactions healthier and training us to help, protect and support one another, and ending antinonhumanity, that's from covid lockdown to now, until then we thought everyone's deaths were permanent.

Erasing my entire history and experiences as a Hybrit is also erasing my race, but y'all think only outer world poc matter and is real and should be respected. It is and should, obviously, but we're real too, and so is our pain, and our cultures that springed from us living in community among ourselves. It isn't not real just because it didn't happen in the outer world (except it did because our brain is a real part of the outer world)

I know people won't take this seriously once again, and I'm not minimising the experiences you suffer by saying our experiences are real too.

Like "oh my god, you're saying your experiences as something I refuse to take seriously are real just like OUR experiences? You are offending us and our experiences! How dare you compare us to you, nonhunans? That's the highest humiliation and belittlement! That's why we call it ✨dehumanisation✨!"

I promise I'm not usually this angry and discourseful, I just really want to get this out of my chest. Maybe I'm just too used to Twitter, Tumblr is not like Twitter, and I definitely don't want to post this in Twitter.

Some clarifications below cut:

✨✨ Possible questions: ✨✨

• But is your body white? You are strictly forbidden to talk about any race related violence and especially to claim you ever faced any if the body you didn't know existed is classed as "white".

I literally don't know, it's not that simple if you're not from North America, Europe or Australia. Different people asign us different races. Our system has already been called: white, aboringeal, monkey, chimp. Interestingly we strongly suspect we're actually unconnected Jewish due to our body's nose and one of our deadname's surname being a Jewish surname. But if you look at the videos of Palestinians, they look identical to our bio family, the lady who was older than Israel until she was killed by Israel looks just like our grandma, the birthday girl holding a cupcake who was also killed by Israel looks just like our sister. Yeah, watching videos from Palestine is extra hard for our humans who are somewhat more connected to our system's body. So maybe... We literally have no way to know. And please stop Israel.

• What is a Hybrit?

I'm glad you asked. It is a Daybreaker race, meaning it developed in our system and only exist in our system. Please don't try to pair us to any outer world real or fictional species. I'm a feline, yes, but I'm not a house cat, nor any outer world animal species, nor any outer world fictional species or character.

• But do you meow or roar?

I speak

[ugly6astard]

oh my glob bruh syscourse is so annoying and boring go touch grass don't nobody know what an end oh genic or tramagenic means. i thought endogenic was like endothermic like chemistry. plz

[syscurse]

not a fan of this "all about me" mentality in syscourse. niche groups and communities will exist and have always existed. no, they are not fucking "gatekeeping" you for being about something so niche that you don't quite fit in.

if there's a discord group that's for people who are afraid of chickens and you're afraid of dogs, duh don't fucking join it. that space isn't for you. "but they're both animals, though!!!" yeah, so what? why are you wanting to turn a server about alektorophobia into cynophobia? "they're both phobias, though!!!" yeah, but they're different. that isn't a bad thing???

like, them having that space doesn't invalidate your phobia or even gatekeep you from resources. you can literally use the same resources that they use if those are helpful to you, no one is gonna stop you. and if using alektorophobia resources for your cynophobia is genuinely more helpful to you than using cynophobia resources then maybe you should talk to them about that because. they would probably understand!

but them having their own space isn't bad. if a bunch of people are making their own little space to be about chicken phobia and are politely asking that it remain on topic, maybe don't be a dick about it???

(now substitute alektorophobia with "CDDs" and cynophobia with "non-CDD plurality" and there you go. syscourse bullshit.)

[cambriancrew]

"we have lines and lines of research saying that DID is caused by trauma"

For starters we don't say that DID is never caused by trauma. We agree, trauma can cause it. We DON'T agree that plurality, both disordered and non, are always only caused by trauma.

For another... Lines and lines? ROFLMAO. We have a multiple paged* document linking to sources with relevant excerpts, and a 25 tweet thread with images of some of the sources.

Lines and lines. Hilarious.

*I can't check how many pages at the moment as Google Docs keeps wanting to show it without pagination but I'm sure someone else can grab that statistic for me

[sophieinwonderland]

TIL Moods Can Technically Make You Into a Different Person

I don't think you understand what mood is...

Or a person...

Or the word "technically..."

[qcharlie]

hi this is ashton @codecicle's new blog, i had to move for safety reasons if i wanted to return to tumblr ^_^ if my old mutuals could spread this around so the people know that would be awesome love you all

"ashton" @codecicle -> @qcharlie. | i use he/him but it/its is cool too | plural | 16 y/o, i have chronic annoying teenage boy disease and its incurable, sorry!

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[sysmedsaresexist]

Tag urself

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[guardianssystem]

Tumblr Post of our Endogenic and Non-traumagenic Plurality Research

THIS POST IS OUDATED. PLEASE READ THE UPDATED VERSION HERE

Endogenic & Non-Traumagenic Plurality

By Guardians System, a diagnosed traumagenic DID system with PTSD and CPTSD

For use by everyone, to be read by EVERYONE

Brought to you by sysmeds who say “I’m not reading all that” (/j)

Feel free to DM on Twitter at GuardiansSystemOpen for anonymous questions on Tellonym also under GuardiansSystemOtherwise, just comment! :)

Lists of Links

Put together by community members! (Not thoroughly checked)

Plurality/Multiplicity + Syscourse Resources and Findings

Pastebin by ButterflyBlood - contains info from the DSM-3 to the DSM-V, medical info, community info, Tulpa info, syscourse info, and a video

Cambrian's Thread of Experts

Thread by the Cambrian Crew - contains info from Dr Eric Yarbrough (Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association), info from Dr Nijenhuis and Van Der Hart (two of the writers of the Theory of Structural Dissociation), info from the ICD-11 and DSM-V-TR, and an interview by Dr Richard Loewenstein (lead editor of the DSM-V’s section on DIssociative Disorders)

Studies into non-disordered and/or endogenic plurality

Pastebin by Oliviaset - contains multiple science/government links and a video

Collected Plurality Info - 8 pages of resources - Fractal System

Document by The Fractal System - contains explanations on multiple types of plurality and references links to each, contains community info, history info, academic info, and more

Scientific Papers on Endogenic Plurality - r/Plural

Post and comments by numerous systems/supporters - contains a massive amount of uncategorised links to all types of information on non-traumagenic plurality

Multiplicity Links - SARAH K REECE

Site by Sarah K Reece - a previously diagnosed traumagenic DID system that no longer fits the criteria but is still a system, links focus mainly on general helpful system information

Scientific Articles on Nondisordered Systems

Document by Tabellenblatt1 (?) - contains info specific to non-disordered plurality, including the interview by Dr Richard Loewenstein

Ex Uno Plures - Articles

Community site by Plures House - contains explanations on plurality, info on living plural, info on personal experiences, medical info, philosophical info, social info, and syscourse info

An Endogenic Proof Masterlist - Plural Anomaly

Document by Plural Anomaly - contains community info, academic info, and criticisms on the Theory of Structural Dissociation

Plurality Studies - Multiplicity and Plurality Wiki

Wiki made by numerous community members - contains uncategorised abstracts from medical info and info on Tulpas

Non-Traumagenic & Endogenic System Information

General medical/clinical studies and research

It's just a body: A community-based participatory exploration of the experiences and health care needs for transgender plural people

Study by numerous people including a system - repeatedly references and explains multiple types of plurality, both traumagenic and non-traumagenic

Multiplicity: An Explorative Interview Study on Personal Experiences of People with Multiple Selves

Study by numerous people - uses some outdated language, however, explores how systems exist both with and without Dissociative Identity Disorder

Conceptualising multiplicity spectrum experiences: a systematic review and thematic synthesis

Study by numerous people - explores how multiplicity exists outside of Dissociative Identity Disorder in a medical context in order to recommend appropriate health services

Critiquing the Requirement of Oneness over Multiplicity: An Examination of  Dissociative Identity (Disorder) in Five Clinical Texts (Alternative Link)

Study by Kymbra Clayton - explains how multiple selves can be healthy without the need for singularity

NORMAL DIMENSIONS OF MULTIPLE PERSONALITY WITHOUT AMNESIA

Study by multiple people - uses slightly outdated language, describes how multiplicity can be considered natural without the dissociative disorders, and how the dissociative disorders could simply be expanding upon multiplicity

Cognitive processes in dissociation: An analysis of core theoretical assumptions

Study by numerous people - discusses potentially healthy dissociation and the existence of dissociation without trauma

MODES OF EXISTENCE: TOWARDS A PHENOMENOLOGICAL POLYPSYCHISM

Study by Mick Cooper - discusses alternative ways for multiple selves to exist

A plurality of selves? An illustration of polypsychism in a recovered addict

Study by Peter T.F. Raggatt - discusses the normality of non-traumagenic multiplicity and different ways for natural plurality to exist

A Jungian Perspective on the Dissociability of the Self

Study by Brian R. Skea - includes multiple mentions of Freud, extremely explicit and triggering language, and repeated use of outdated terms, however helps to provide an understanding of much older views on non-traumagenic dissociation and plurality

TRANSGENDER Mental Health - chapter 11

Book by Dr. Eric Yarbrough of the American Psychiatric Association - states repeatedly throughout the chapter that plurality is only a part of dissociative identity disorder and exists without the disorder, as well as trauma only being reported in some cases of plurality and that trauma is not the only cause for plurality, and states that plurality itself is only a collection of alters

"I've Learned to Treat my Characters like People": Varieties of Agency and Interaction of Writers' Experiences of their Characters' Voices

Study by multiple people - describes authors’ common experience of accidental multiplicity caused by their characters gaining autonomy

Dissociation in Trauma: A New Definition and Comparison with Previous Formulations

Article by Ellert R S Nijenhuis and Onno van der Hart (two of the writers of the Theory of Structural Dissociation) - page 27, at the end of the article, they recognise mediumship and similar practices as a “division of personality,” which is what they refer to the dissociative disorders as

Exploring the Experiences of Young People with Multiplicity

Research by Zarah Eve and Sarah Perry - begins with multiplicity only sometimes being applicable for a DID/OSDD diagnosis, and continues that multiplicity itself and the dissociative disorders are not the same, as well as some respondents not associating their multiplicity with trauma alongside the dissociative disorders not applying to some of the respondents, and having a section for some multiplicity not being based in trauma

Comparison of Brazilian spiritist mediumship and dissociative identity disorder

Study by multiple people - in comparing Dissociative Identity Disorder with Brazilian Spiritist Mediumship, it was found the two shared very similar results, only that the Mediumship results appeared slightly healthier than DID

Tulpamancy

Studies and research specifically on Tulpas, though can apply to other plurality

Tibetan Buddhist with a Tulpa - Opinion on Plurality

Post by Dharma Yokeyodasampa - a Tibetan Buddhist with a more traditional Tulpa asking community members for questions, discussions include what they think about plurality, western Tulpamancy, how their Tulpa feels, and the difference between western Tulpamancy and the Tibetan practice. (This is a post compiling and explaining most of it, with a response from Dharma.)

Personality Characteristics of Tulpamancers and Their Tulpas

Study by multiple people - examines and explores what Tulpas are, what they do, their role, Tulpa experiences, some history, and more

Sentient companions predicted and modeled into existence: explaining the Tulpa phenomenon

Study by Kaj Sotala - describes a theory on how Tulpas may be psychologically caused via “feedback loops” (can also be applied to various other types of plurality, such as multiplicity caused by authors/artists and caused by other disorders)

A Time for Tulpas

Thesis by Nick Stager - discusses what a Tulpa is, experiences with Tulpas, the development of Tulpas, how other practices may be similar, how an author can accidentally create Tulpas, and more

Tracking the Tulpa - Exploring the "Tibetan" Origins of a Contemporary Paranormal Idea

Book by Natasha L. Mikles and Joseph P. Laycock - explains what Tulpas are, how Tulpas are created both intentionally and unintentionally, some of the history behind Tulpa, and Tulpas based on theosophy instead of the Tibetan practice

Tulpas and Mental Health: A Study of Non-Traumagenic Plural Experiences

Study by Jacob J. Isler - explains what Tulpamancy is and how it can differ from Dissociative Identity Disorder but still be plural 

Paranormalizing the Popular through the Tibetan Tulpa: Or what the next Dalai Lama, the X Files and Affect Theory (might) have in common

Article by Ben Joffe - explains what Tulpas are, how Tulpas develop, Tulpa experiences in the outside world, the difference between Tulpamancy and the Tibetan practice, some of the history behind Tulpas, Theosophy-related Tulpas, and Tibetan Sprulpa experiences

Making Friends - Transcript of a Podcast on Tulpas

(Slightly incorrect: more info here) Discussion by multiple people - explains multiple personal experiences with a Tulpa, actions of a Tulpa, accidental creation of Tulpas through writing, Tulpas taking over the physical body, Tulpas having a different identity, purposeful creation of Tulpas, discussions with professionals (Richard J. Loewenstein,) the difference between Tulpas and psychosis, the similarity between Tulpas and Dissociative Identity Disorder, how without distress then it can’t be disordered, and more

Daring to Hear Voices

Dalai Lama - Buddhist practices are open to those who need them

Clinical Information

Helpful medical information not specifically related to non-traumagenic systems

DID Brain Pattern Study Doesn't Measure Up - December 2018

Critique by Spot&Cerberus - discusses the multiple flaws with the MRI scan on DID patients

Moral Status and the Treatment of DID Study by Timothy J. Bane - discusses the current known treatments for DID in the context of integration being commonly used, how it may be unethical and unhealthy to force integration, and that a multiple can healthily exist

DID, OSDD, and UDD Diagnostic Guide (NZ)

Diagnostic guide by ACC (Accident Compensation Corporation) - the New Zealand guide to diagnosing patients with DID, OSDD, and UDD, includes history of the diagnosis, problems with the diagnosis, alternative diagnoses, requirements for a diagnosis, what to avoid in a diagnosis, what to look for in a diagnosis, and similar

The Theory of Structural Dissociation

Theory by multiple people - the most commonly used theory to explain dissociation, often specifically related to dissociative disorders

Problems with the Theory of Structural Dissociation

Research by multiple people - discusses multiple problems with the Theory of Structural Dissociation, including it being a theory, the discarding of derealisation, depersonalisation, dissociative fugue, dissociative amnesia, the lack of association with trauma and PTSD in the DSM-V, and proposes some different ideas

ICD-11 for Mortality and Morbidity Statistics

Book by the World Health Ogranisation - Dissociative disorders on 6B64

DSM DID ALTERATIONS

DSM-V-TR

DSM-V (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition)

Book by the American Psychiatric Association - Dissociative Disorders on page 336

DSM-IV-TR

DSM-IV

DSM-III-R

DSM-III

DSM-II-SPECIAL

DSM-II

DSM-I-SPECIAL

DSM-I

Plural History

Explanations and references to different parts of plural history

Plural History - 1811

Collection by Lb Lee - contains multiple parts of history in which systems of all types have existed (there are 4 different chapters)

A Partial History of Plural Self-Advocacy

Collection by Alt H - describes times in history starting from 1987 when non-traumagenic plural advocacy was recorded

It's Not Just a Tumblr Thing - Kerry Dawkins

Article by Ex Uno Plures - contains references in history to plurality outside of and before Tumblr

A Brief History of the Use of "System" in a Non-DID Space

Collection by Lb Lee - describes the history of the word “system” being used to describe those with multiple selves, and how it isn’t a disorder-specific term

A Quick'N'Dirty History of "System" as Plural Slang

Collection by Lb Lee - explains the history of the word “system” and the different uses

"Endogenic" was not coined by Freud

Collection by Sophie in Wonderland - a discussion on the anti-endos claim that “endogenic” was coined by Freud

Origin of the term Endogenic

Explanation by the Lunastus Collective - details how the term “endogenic” came to be created, what led up to it, and what happened after

I saw a post saying we should just believe RAMCOA surivors... okay... so how about this one?

Explanation by Sophie in Wonderland - describes how and why anti-endos think “system hopping” was stolen by endogenic systems from RAMCOA systems, including an explanation from the RAMCOA system that anti-endos reference

Community Explanations

Explanations on endogenic plurality by community members (sources are used)

Debunking the Anti-Endo Carrd - Guardians System

To be updated

What do Sysmeds say That is Transphobic/TERF Rhetoric?

Post by multiple people - a discussion on the comparison of sysmeds and transmeds, and how their arguments and the language they use is the same

Why Not Just Use Thoughtform?

Collection by Sophie in Wonderland and Olivia Set - describes why some parogenic systems prefer using Tulpa over Thoughtform 

Debunking Sysmeds - Claims and Rebuttals

Carrd by Ozymandias& - lists claims that anti-endos make against endogenic systems, and critiques the claims alongside referencing studies

I would define a plural system as having multiple, compartmentalised, self-conscious agents - SophieInWonderland

Collection by Sophie in Wonderland - an explanation of the validity of endogenic and non-traumagenic systems complete with referenced research and studies

Studies and Research into Endogenic and Non-Disordered Plurality

Masterpost - Academia on Endogenic and non-traumagenic plurality

Post by Inclusive Syscourse - contains an explanation on the validity of endogenic and non-traumagenic plurality complete with referenced research

Claims There is No Research On Endogenics

Post by Unknown - a list of research on endogenic and non-traumagenic plurality alongside explanations and descriptions

Origins of Plurality and Levels of Dissociation

Study by The Phoenixes - uses the DES to gain insight into plurality not caused by trauma

The Tulpa Carrd - explain the nature and origins of Tulpamancy and what surrounds it

Carrd by Unknown - lists an explanation and some history of Tulpamancy alongside references to research

Likely Origins of "Tulpamancy is Cultural Appropriation"

Post by the Dragonheart System - critiques a Carrd claiming that Tulpamancy is cultural appropriation, referencing research and studies

Resources

General helpful resources for all systems

Multiplicity Wiki - A wiki by plurals and multiples, for plurals and multiples

Wiki by multiple people - contains terms, definitions, and general information on all types of plurality and multiplicity

Layman's Guide to Multiplicity

Guide by Unknown - contains terms, definitions, information, explanations, and experiences on multiple types of plurality

The Plural Association - For Dissociative Identity Disorder & all other forms of Multiplicity under the Plural umbrella

Organisation by the Stronghold System (?) - contains help sites for all types of struggling systems, alongside helpful information and articles on multiple areas

Pluralpedia - the collaborative plurality dictionary

Dictionary by multiple people - contains a massive amount of information on the majority of plural terms and history

Endogenic Hub -  a site dedicated to endogenic plurality

Hub by the Hordes System - contains information and experiences on multiple types of non-traumagenic plurality, alongside explanations of what plurality is

More Than One - Plurality (or multiplicity) is the existence of multiple self-aware entities inside one physical brain

Site by Unknown - contains information on terms, different system origins, denounces myths about plurality, and different plural experiences

The Dissociative Initiative - For, by, and about people with multiplicity, dissociation, and amnesia

Run by Sarah K Reece - a support group for systems that contains different information and resources on plurality

Tulpa Info - "For Science"

Guide by Unknown - multiple different languages, explains what a Tulpa is, why they can exist, and where to begin when making a Tulpa

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Feel free to share this post and/or the document with anybody. We're open to (genuine) criticism about our links or socument if something's wrong. You're also welcome to tag us in anything or DM us, with questions or to talk about our links or to respond to somebody. We are a pro-endo, diagnosed traumagenic DID system, with PTSD and CPTSD. We collectively use phe/phex/phins, and go by Guardians.

Please always rely on the document over this post, it's much more up to date.

[floral-atom-collective]

Hii! What is a system?? /genq

I've been often seeing this term but I don't fully know what it means, I suppose it has something to do with multiple personalities but I don't wanna jump to conclusions and end up accidentally making people uncomfortable, so if you could explain with details I'd appreciate it ^^

hi! Glad you asked

You're on the right track there with "multiple personalities" but it's a bit more than that.

Important note!

We are not professionals, we know little outside of our own experience. If someone sees this and knows we are sharing misinformation, please correct us!

Systems, in their simplest definition, are when someone has multiple beings [ headmates, alters, whatever they call them ] that inhabit one body.

There is a ton of variation as being plural [ being part of a system/are a system ] is a very diverse condition.

This will likely get long so more info will be put under the cut. If you need any more clarification we are more than willing to provide information.

There's a lot of different types of plurality.

While it's a bit of a controversial opinion [ even though we believe it's entirely true ] there are non-disordered, disordered, non-traumagenic/endogenic, traumagenic, and many other subcategories.

Keep in mind that our syscourse stance will change the type of info we add here. Anti-endos are allowed to use this post for information if they want to but please remember we are traumaendo. And we ask that hate isn't directed at us on this post [ or in general ].

Lets start with:

Disordered traumagenic plurality

I do not know much about this being we are not one. Disordered traumagenic plurality is something that can actually be diagnosed since it is disordered. DID, OSDD, and other disorders can be defined with these labels. Traumagenic refers to how a system has formed by trauma. Trauma is inherently a very complicated topic. Many different situations causing trauma and certain traumatizing experiences nobeing validated as trauma male it this way.

Non-disordered traumagenic plurality

This kind of plurality could be caused by healing from disordered plurality [ losing the symptoms that makes a system disordered ] or not having enough symptoms to consider themselves disordered. Despite it not being disordered it is still just as valid, as are any other types of plurality.

Non-traumagenic/Endogenic plurality

"Endogenic" is a blanket term for any system that formed without/regardless of trauma. Meaning there are many subcategories within the term. It's so diverse that I would suggest doing your own research on specific terms if you want to.

Willogenic means a person willed their headmates/system into existence. They created it intentionally rather than by chance or to cope with trauma.

Resources

-PluralPedia. Very helpful, helps with many terms!

-r/plural, r/pluralsystems, r/plural_irl (memes and community), r/pluralmemes (on Reddit), r/DIDinclusivity

-the multiplicity wiki on fandom

-simply plural resource page

[ ^ edited, from @ plural-dictionary ]

[ ^ posts/websites proving endogenic plurality if I remember correctly ]

These sources will be/lean pro endo as that is our stance. You are allowed to do whatever other research you find necessary though.

[ ^ some of our own posts explaining our experience ]

We hope this helped!

[cambriancrew]

I find it funny how I can quote the DSM-V-TR and the ICD-11 on Twitter and anti-endos think that that's just some random kook of a doctor saying something and not, like, some of the most thorough, evidence based documents on mental health in the world that were most recently updated just two years ago and that are used by most doctors around the world, in every major country except China. Literally the only other reference books used anywhere near that often are the Physician's Desk Reference and the Nurse's Drug Handbook.

It's always Twitter. I swear, Twitter is the lowest common denominator in syscourse.

Bonus points for this time me quoting the aforementioned sources means that if I'm a psychologist I need to have my license taken away. 😂 Like they so much just don't get what actually happens in the world of medicine that it bypasses frustration and goes straight into hilarity.