#(who's a Zionist btw)

[beepmeowiskarkat]

kisses

[torahtot]

i might just lay down and die just found out my ra for this year is someone my roommate used to be friends with til she posted a jews r the new nazis "becoming what you once hated- ironic" on her story and a whole thing supporting oct 7. like not even a post just her own heartfelt thoughts about how awesome it was.

[bisexualseraphim]

I gotta say, I am seriously fucking concerned with the amount of people here who seem to wholeheartedly believe that the correct answer to the genocide against Palestine is ANOTHER genocide except the other way around. Please stand back for 2 minutes and seriously think about whether you think it’s ever a helpful or just cause to advocate for the deaths of millions of people, especially when plenty of said people are Jews whose families fled there after barely surviving the Holocaust because hardly anywhere else would treat them like human beings or accept them at all since the antisemitism that allowed the Holocaust to happen was not solely in Germany and didn’t magically disappear after the war ended.

Look. The situation is simple when you boil it down to this: Israel is bombing and starving Palestinians like fish in a barrel and doesn’t want to allow aid to Gaza, which consists of a population of over 50% children. Israel allowed the Nakba and displacement of Palestinians for decades and tries to hide it from public view. This is genocide. The Israeli government is at fault for this. Israel holds the power here because they have the power to bomb and starve millions of people and force them out of their homes, and Palestine certainly does not. It’s an utterly horrific, inhumane thing to do with no excuses for it and it needs to stop. This is the simple part that is glaringly obvious for everyone to see and it’s almost laughable for anyone to deny it.

Okay. You’ve successfully identified the main problem and the “bad guy,” if you want to put it in childish simplistic terms. So the question now is: what next? Say Israel agrees to an immediate ceasefire. What do you, impassioned activist on the internet, propose should be done to solve this situation after that? What should be done to free the Israeli hostages? Do you think the UK and the US, two of the most powerful countries in the world who actively help Israel commit its atrocities against Palestine, will ever do anything to help the Palestinians once Israel loses its power, even if better governments are eventually elected? How should the Palestinian land be claimed back? Where should all the Israeli citizens go? Should they all be forced out to Europe and America, even if that isn’t where they originate from, where the already-rife antisemitism has spiked even further since October 7th and Jews who live thousands of miles from Israel and have nothing to do with Israel’s actions face horrific hate crimes every day? Do Israeli children deserve that? Who’s going to pay for their travel and accommodation? Or, should they all be allowed to stay there and live side by side with the Palestinians? Do you think most Palestinians would be happy to remain neighbours with the citizens of the country that has oppressed them so fiercely for over 75 years, even if said citizens didn’t partake in it or in fact opposed it? What about the 20% of Israeli citizens who are Arab or Palestinian? Do you hold the same opinion of foreign settlers in Israel as you do its citizens whom have made a home there for many generations? How do you discern between settlers and “real” Israelis? Do you see any difference between them at all? Why? And what should be done about Hamas, the group that openly calls for the genocide of all Jews around the world and commits war crimes against Israeli citizens? How much of the history behind Israel’s occupation of Palestine are you aware of? Do you think the British government should be held accountable for splitting Palestine in the first place? How would you go about that? Would it be fair to punish the British people for their government’s actions when British citizens didn’t vote for it? How does that compare to your view of Israel and its citizens, and why?

I am absolutely NOT asking trick questions here or trying to “gotcha!” anyone. I am asking these questions precisely BECAUSE they are extremely difficult to answer, with several of them contradicting each other, and they are meant to get an emotional reaction out of you. I certainly don’t know what the “correct” answers to most of those questions are, and that’s exactly my point: there is no simple answer to a problem that has been going on for decades with such a wide, complex history. Historians and political experts who know all the facts and have studied this shit for years don’t know the answer and it’s honestly insulting to all the people suffering to log on every day and see so many people go “actually 😌 I, a random 20-30 something year old on the internet who isn’t even touched by what’s happening in Palestine, have figured it out before everyone else! Just delete an entire country and all its citizens off the map 😊 This is a moral thing to suggest! And if you disagree with me you’re promoting Zionism/terrorism 😘” There are no simple answers and if you think there is one — and especially if you think that answer is to kick citizens out of the country their family has lived in for generations — then you are both wilfully ignorant and evidently fuelled more by hatred than an actual desire for peace and an end to death and oppression and I don’t believe there is a crumb of sincerity in your activism.

Am I naive enough to think that fighting against oppression and occupation is always going to be peaceful? Obviously not. But you’ve got to think about where and when said violence is actually going to be beneficial, and where and when it’s violence purely for the sake of violence, which is NEVER justified. You can’t advocate for human rights and then turn around and say “oh, but not for you.” EVERYONE deserves food and water. EVERYONE deserves shelter. EVERYONE deserves to receive treatment for sickness or injury. NOBODY deserves cruel and unusual punishment or torture. And EVERYONE deserves to be alive. Those are essential human rights that should never, ever be denied wherever it is possible to give them, and disagreeing with that reflects extremely poorly on you and your principles. Think about what narrative you are pushing when you claim an entire people “deserves” bad things. The constant dehumanisation I see happening in online activism (and far too often in real life too) is actually terrifying and if you want to do some real good in the world, I need everyone reading this to examine their potential internal prejudices, even the ones you don’t think you have, and think about who exactly you’re helping when you express thoughts that perpetuate them, and who you may be harming in the process.

Anyway, now that I’ve gotten that out of the way…

Here are some useful resources if you want to make a difference and help people:

Standing Together (an Israeli movement advocating for ceasefire and peace between Israelis and Palestinians)

Zochrot (an Instagram page that seeks to educate the public about the Nakba)

Parents’ Circle (an organisation run by relatives of Israelis and Palestinians killed in the conflict who advocate for peace)

Operation Olive Branch (a Google Doc of Palestinian families seeking evacuation)

Mesarvot Network (an Instagram page run by young Israelis seeking to refuse the IDF draft and end military violence committed by both Hamas and the IDF)

Other Gaza aid organisations to donate to

[luckylunatix]

Listen idk if I should name names here but Crash Bandicoot fans should probably start checking people's blogs before interacting with their posts cuz I'm pretty sure this one artist who's done some fairly popular art of N. Gin is a Zionist even tho the majority of the fandom is, from what I've seen, pro-Palestine.

Like a lot of people who are very vocally anti-zionist have liked and reblogged their art and I'm not gonna assume the worst of people but I'm really just confused as to how it happened cuz they've literally got the Israeli flag in the blog title.

[robotclownindulgence]

it's all about holding famous people accountable until it's famous men who were put on a pedestal for being "quirky wholsome dad" everyone trusts can do no wrong. this may seem like a wild thing to hear but just because an actor has cultivated a certain agreeable persona over the course of their career doesn't mean they can't be massive bigots in real life

[venusmages]

truly insane to lose a friend to zionist propaganda and then have them turn around and imply all of the friends they've pushed away have been brainwashed - not the other way around.

[lesbianchemicalplant]

what's up with adults on here who make their whole personality—I'm triangulating a bit here, but basically—

“well I'm a Grown Adult, a real well-rounded grown actual adult person, with actual perspective, actual problems, unlike you 20-something sweet summer children on here [read: slightly younger adults]”

and like, I know plenty of people on tumblr in their 30's and up who are not at all like this, and also people in their mid-to-late 20's who very much are. anyhow it's very obnoxious

[thedreadvampy]

Jewish person here. No matter if we do or do not support Israel, Israel does in fact largely tie to us as over 40% of us live there. If we do not live there we usually know someone. A friend, a loved one.

Most of us know someone who has died, been kidnapped and / or raped on October 7th. So to a degree we all do represent Israel, diaspora or not. If things go bad it is the ONLY state we can flee to.

There are several places for Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc to go. There is ONE for Jews, be they religious or ethnically Jewish. Even if we do not support the government and wish for it to change ( which BTW the Israeli government is indeed not standing for most Jews, not the country itself. Israelis have been protesting before the massacre and now during the war too. ( Standing together is an Israeli-Palestinian peace group!)

Also btw Hamas are monsters. Palestine will never be free under their regime - even in a scenario where Israel disappears. Hamas will then simply kill anyone speaking out against them, kill their queer community.

So please, your group is right. You can actually offend Jews by being antisemitic, shocker!

Ok so is "genocide is bad" a statement you agree with or not? Because the thing is, I personally think it is bad to kill tens of thousands of refugees. I think it's fairly reasonable to say that it's good when babies are alive and ungood when they are bombed, shot and starved to death for 5 months. I think it is Bad when people perform colonial apartheid and I think it is Good if they do Not That. I also don't think it's fair to say that Killing Tens Of Thousands Of Civilians and Surveilling and Bombing An Entire Population are intrinsic parts of Jewishness.

As you say, many Jews and many Israelis don't agree with the actions of the Israeli government either - are they also being antisemitic? Is there something intrinsically Jewish about colonial violence? If not, why is it antisemitic to say that colonial violence is bad?

So to close again I guess my question is Is Killing Thousands Of Civilians Good? Or is it in fact a reasonable thing to say 'we would like it if thousands of civilians were not being killed day in day out for months'?

Is there fundamentally an issue with saying that the violence did not start on October 7, when over 200 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces in the 9 months before that alone? Or is that what makes it antisemitic? Pointing out that Israeli forces have consistently killed 100+ Palestinians every year this decade? Is that the antisemitic bit?

(btw weird thing here but either Israel is the Only Safe Place To Be Jewish or there's an amount of violence constantly coming from Palestinians that somehow justifies kidnap, arrest without trial, and mass murder including of infants. you can't have both, because of the definition of the word 'safe')

[zubeia]

now why does this encapsulate barnard students getting arrested by the nypd and evicted by the college they once called "home for the next four"

[thetisming]

my hot take is that some people who hate jkr do also let other people off the hook a lot easier

like you can say 'oh yeah i dont buy anything hp related because i hate jkr and i don't want my money to go to transphobia' but if you turn around and say you just bought lots of fnaf stuff it feels like it cancels out. like yeah you hate this one transphobe but what about the others. how much do you really care about our rights.

now i know it's different because jkr openly talks about terf stuff. so you shouldn't engage in her work! because she talks about it and even pushes this in her work! but even if people dont talk about it, but have still given money to transphobic charities, that is not okay.

you can pirate things. you can buy things second hand. please pirate things. please buy things second hand. im saying this as someone who does like fnaf btw. you can enjoy things. but do not give money to people who want to strip people of their rights, and will use your money to do that.

fuck jkr, fuck scott cawthon, fuck every rich creator that uses their profits to harm others

[chaiaurchaandni]

[hucowboyification]

I really feel like too many people are too chicken to say that the person they used to Really Admire is a useless, shit-eating, brainless sack of discarded balls.

[gentil-minou]

[cayde6feetunder]

If you think my support for Palestine = antisemitism you are not very smart. You’re actually fucking stupid. If you see the statistics of this genocide and cry “it’s antisemitism!” Or you take “Israel is a settler colonial state and needs to be dismantled” as “massacre the Jews lol” not even a brain grown in a lab by expert scientists for the sole purpose of filling the cavity in your skull can save you and it sure as all hell can’t save you from the fucking bullshit conditioning you grew up under (that you have to save yourself from).

Taking “giving Palestine back to its indigenous landowners” as “we are going to violently kick out the people who presently live in Israel” is not only disgustingly inaccurate but is also the exact same shit that racists say about Landback over here on Turtle Island. Landback is the reversal of colonialism, not the continuation of it. Dear lord why the fuck does this have to be spelled out.

There are antizionist Jews. There ar Palestinian Jews. There is an entire coalition of antizionist Jews, with a site FULL OF INFORMATION, including about Zionism, readily available. Can’t put links cos I’m on mobile right now but it takes one google search to find Jewish Voice For Peace.

And also, the phrase “from the river to the sea” is OLDER THAN HAMAS. This I’m not even gonna bother citing a source for because it’s so surface level it’s on fucking WIKIPEDIA as the first thing to pop up on google which is as surface level as it gets.

There are absolutely people who are jumping at the opportunity to be antisemitic. That I’m not doubting. But trust me, TRUST ME, if you’re in the right circles and have the brain capacity to detect an Actual Nazi you shouldn’t even have to look at them. That doesn’t mean that it’s a nonissue, it absolutely has to be addressed and it is being addressed by many people already. BUT. Generalizing the entire antizionist movement as “neonazis” is fucking reductive, general and frankly disgusting because of just why so many people are antizionists in light of recent events. You have a toddler level black and white association and it shows agonizingly. And, ergo, THERE ARE ANTIZIONIST JEWS.

Dear fucking lord I’m so angry and I’m so fucking tired. God fucking dammit. There’s more I want to say but I am so close to just throwing my phone at the wall.

[sybbi]

Jewish people in the diaspora: Hey I believe Palestinians should have self-determination and rights that have for too long been denied to them and I believe the architects of Israel's response have gone too far and slaughtered and displaced innocents and the human cost of this "self defense" is too great and something needs to be done to stop this before it's too late, Palestinians deserve their place in the Levant and the ability to self-govern, but hey it's also kind of concerning that some of you will ignore when actual dangerous antisemitism is being displayed and spread and I'd just really appreciate if you also would watch out for people like that in the pro-Palestine movement and call people like that out, thank you

You freaks:

[s-s-s-sideblog]

this is gonna have to go on the sideblog cuz it’ll make people mad but unpopular opinion:

we’d have a lot more jews in support of palestine if y’all didn’t demonize every single jew as evil zionists when we didn’t magically unlearn everything we’d been taught about israel in 24 hours.

american jews are essentially indoctrinated from childhood when it comes to israel. unlearning takes time. especially when it comes to supporting a cause that you’ve been taught wants you dead. y’all have empathy with every other minority except jewish people and it’s tiring.