#4w5

[mistype360]

[coruscatingdust]

I wanted "peace," to be left alone in my underground world. Real life oppressed me with its novelty so much that I could hardly breathe.

Fyodor Dostoevsky, Notes from Underground

[blueopinions49]

Controversial Opinion

What’s the obsession with enneagram 4? I genuinely don’t get why there are so many people so obsessed with this type.

I get that there are some people that just romanticizes some of the mental illness aspects of them HOWEVER mental illness isnt an inherent E4 thing and neither is personal struggle I can see why they correlate that to 4s (maybe cuz of the pseudo depression naranjo described on his work however thats just a false image they portray so?) , which mostly stems from terrible understanding of the type. However the increase in mistypes? The obsession with the SX4 subtype? The obsession with the toxic aspects of E4? Idk I just don’t get it.

I’m asking from a place of genuine wonder cuz this has been going on for a long time. And I want some clarity as to why it happens.

[rainytypology]

Enneagram Type 4

An overview of an enneagram type. Not an expert. May change later.

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Type 4

Center: Heart/Image/Shame

Other triads: Reactive, Withdrawn, Frustration

Basic motivation: Create a unique identity, make personal significance

Basic fear: Being forgotten, not feeling important

Wings: 4w3, 4w5

Disintegration/stress: 2

Integration/growth: 1

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Traits

- Strengths -

In tune with emotions

Expressive and creative

Have an eye for beauty/aesthetics

Empathetic

Tries to be genuine, be themselves

- Weaknesses -

Can be moody and overly sensitive

Self conscious

Feel defective

Can be self pitying

Focus too much on themselves

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Wings

- 4w3 -

The 3 wing adds a spit of spark to the typically melancholic 4 core. A bit more outgoing and friendly. May feel envious of others more often. Want to have validation and praise for their unique accomplishments. 3 wing helps them set goals, which are usually aligned with expression and creativity. 4s want to make a mark/influence on the world and 3 wants to be successful in making that mark. They want their uniqueness to be seen.

- 4w5 -

4 and 5 are both withdrawn types, so it's no surprise 4w5s are often introverted and/or private. Independent type who does what they want. Can intellectualize their emotions. Can get lost in their own world as they are focused on building their creativity and skills rather than focusing on relationships.

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Disintegration: 2

Disintegration to 2 can cause a 4 to lose sense of their independence, instead throwing themselves into relationships. They want to be rescued somehow without putting much effort into building genuine connections. Very clingy and intrusive.

Integration: 1

Integration to 1 can cause a 4 to become more objective and more bold to take actions towards their desired goals and dreams. They learn not to be trapped in their self absorptions. They learn to control/balance their feelings so they are less moody. Integrating 4s have a desire to contribute to the world and make a better difference rather than simply only doing things they want whenever they want.

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Subtypes of 4

- Sp 4 -

Sp 4 is the most internalized and least expressive about their pain and suffering compared to the typical 4. They learn to deal with it by themselves. They want to be recognized and accepted for being so "tough" for not complaining about going through heavy things. They may instead look for those who are visibly suffering in order to provide empathy and help for them.

- Sx 4 -

Sx 4 is the most expressive and intense. They want to be their most authentic selves and chase after their desires. They are very deliberate in trying to attract others with their unique and genuine character - with the way they dress, act, any sort of self expression, they need people to like their uniqueness. They can be more assertive with their needs, which can be used to cover up the actual sadness they have inside. They have a deep need to prove they are worthy.

- So 4 -

So 4 is the most connected to their suffering and will openly show this. They compare themselves a lot to others and feel shame for not having the traits they envy. They want to be accepted but fear their flaws will drive people away. Inferiority and victim complex. There is a lot of inner conflict of wanting to be original and different but fearing having something wrong with them and longing for others acceptance.

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[alkistisnetwide]

People who self-type with rare and "coveted" labels, such as: INFJs, INTJs, 5s, 4s, IEIs, ILIs, Ns by extension

Let me ask, to what extent would your self-worth differ if you concluded you were mistyped?

To what extent would your self-worth change if you found typology to be a false idea?

Back when I believed socionics was the answer to everything at 15, I was negatively affected by that interest. I questioned things about myself because I seemed to have traits that didn't fit my EII (INFP,INFj) type, but I settled on it eitherway because of my focus on morality. It didn't help how little self esteem I had to be of the least impressive of the 4 "intelligent" types. Even worse, socionics changed how I saw others. I believed others lacked moral values and intelligence, thought in a manner inconceivable to me and would fundamentally be bad company for me

The enneagram had me constantly questioning every aspect of my behavior in order to affirm that I was indeed a 5w4

If you are invested in personality typing, I think you should consider the influence of your emotions on your investment and take a short break. People who are no longer certain about these systems, it might be useful to share your opinion of them in retrospect

[lord-of-the-muses]

Cold Shot of Jealousy

Pairings: Wednesday Addams X Enid Sinclair x Femme Reader (Y/N)

Wednesday sat at the bar of the local watering hole, nursing a drink and watching Enid and Y/N as they laughed and chatted with a shapeshifting boy named Robin. She couldn't quite put her finger on it, but something about the way he was interacting with her girlfriends made her uneasy.

As she watched, she noticed that Robin seemed to be flirting with both Enid and Y/N, and she could feel a twinge of jealousy beginning to build inside of her. She had never felt this way before, and she wasn't quite sure what to make of it.

Despite her uncertainty, Wednesday couldn't shake the feeling that something was off about Robin. She decided to take matters into her own hands and approached the group.

"Hey," she said, trying to keep her tone light and casual. "What's going on here?"

Enid and Y/N looked up at her and smiled, but Robin's expression remained guarded.

"Oh, just hanging out," Enid said, sipping her drink. "Robin here was just telling us about his travels. He's quite the shapeshifter and mindbender."

Wednesday's jealousy flared even hotter at the mention of Robin's abilities. She knew that Enid and Y/N were drawn to powerful and mysterious men, but she couldn't shake the feeling that Robin was just trying to use those abilities to charm her girlfriends.

"Well, I'm sure he's very interesting," Wednesday said through gritted teeth. "But I think it's time for us to head home. Enid and Y/N have a big day tomorrow, and they need their rest."

Enid and Y/N looked at each other, clearly disappointed that their fun was being cut short, but they nodded and said their goodbyes to Robin.

As they walked home, Wednesday could feel the tension building between her and her girlfriends. She knew she was being possessive and jealous, but she couldn't help it. She didn't want to share Enid and Y/N with anyone else.

"Is everything okay, Wednesday?" Enid asked, looking up at her. "You've been acting kind of strange tonight."

"I'm fine," Wednesday said, trying to shake off her feelings. "I just didn't like the way that Robin was flirting with you both. He seemed like a shady character to me."

"Robin is a nice guy," Y/N said, defending the shapeshifter. "I thought he was just trying to be friendly."

"I'm sure he was," Wednesday said, trying to hide the jealousy in her voice. "I just don't want anyone to take advantage of you two."

Enid and Y/N exchanged a knowing look, and Wednesday knew she had overstepped her boundaries. She couldn't help but feel guilty for ruining their night, but she couldn't shake the feeling that Robin was not to be trusted.

The next day, Wednesday decided to take matters into her own hands and investigate Robin. She couldn't stand the thought of him being around her girlfriends, so she needed to find something that would make him leave town.

Using her skills she did some digging and discovered that Robin had a criminal past. He had been arrested for theft and fraud, and had even served time in prison. Wednesday knew she had found the leverage she needed to get rid of him.

Feeling satisfied with her findings, Wednesday went to Enid and Y/N and told them what she had discovered about Robin. She could see the shock and disappointment on their faces, and she knew she had made the right decision

As soon as Wednesday had the evidence, she knew she had to act fast. She waited for the right moment, biding her time until she saw Robin trying to flirt with Y/N and Enid again. This time, however, he had taken it a step further and had started to make physical advances towards them.

Wednesday knew she couldn't just sit back and watch this happen. Without hesitation, she marched over to Robin and pulled him aside.

"We need to talk," she said firmly.

Robin looked at her with confusion, clearly unaware of what was going on.

"I know all about your past," Wednesday continued, her voice cold and steady. "I know about the theft and fraud charges, and I know that you have served time in prison."

Robin's face paled, and he knew he had been caught. He stammered and stuttered, trying to come up with an excuse, but Wednesday was not interested in hearing his lies.

"I'm going to make this very simple for you," she said, her voice low and dangerous. "You are going to leave town and never come back. If you try to contact Enid or Y/N, or if I ever see you around here again, I will go to the authorities with the information I have on you. Do you understand?"

Robin nodded, clearly frightened by Wednesday's threats. He knew he had been outmaneuvered and had no choice but to do as she said. Without another word, he gathered his things and quickly left the bar.

As Wednesday watched him go, she couldn't help but feel a sense of satisfaction. She had protected her girlfriends and kept them safe from someone who would have harmed them. Enid and Y/N came to her and thanked her for her actions and they went home together.

Wednesday knew that she had done the right thing, even if it meant going against her usual silent and reserved nature. She knew that sometimes, in order to protect the ones you love, you have to take matters into your own hands. And she would do it again in a heartbeat, if it meant keeping Enid and Y/N safe and happy.

[moondustinfj]

MBTI AND ENNEAGRAM ANALYSIS OF INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE CHARACTERS

Part 1

Louis de Pointe du Lac

Mbti

Introverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving

Infps are highly idealistic, sensitive and driven by their values

Especially because their leading function Fi (introverted feeling) allows them to be in tune with their emotions. Very much so that they are driven by their inner compass. They have a clear sense of right and wrong and it's not likely or easy for them to change their mind about something, especially moral issues

Armand: I would have made this woman a vampire. But I thought it best you have a hand in it. Otherwise you would not give Claudia up. You must know you wanted it

Louis: I loathe what I did!

Armand: Then loathe me, not yourself

Louis: No, you don't understand. You nearly destroyed the thing you value in me when this happened. I resisted you with all my power even when I didn't know it was your force which was working on me. Something nearly died in me! Passion nearly died in me! I was all but destroyed when Madeline was created!

Armand: But that thing is no longer dead, that passion, that humanity, whatever you wish to name it. If it were not alive there wouldn't be tears in your eyes right now. There wouldn't be rage in your voice

Infps are very emphatatic and sensitive. They want to make the world a better place and they try hard to help others

"But why, with this passion and this sense of justice, do you wish to call yourself the child of Satan!" - Armand

Louis: I'm incapable of your detachment. I know what it is, and I do not possess it and I doubt that I ever will. I accept this

Armand: I understand. I saw you in the theatre, your suffering, your sympathy with that girl. I saw your sympathy for Dennis when I offered him to you; you die when you kill

They are introspective and they desire to find their meaning in life

"It's a terrible feeling, not knowing, not understanding, not being in control of your own destiny" - Louis

"I would have to know from what... from what it comes. Whether it came from other vampires...or elsewhere" - Louis

They focus on the big picture and are very intuitive

"No need to tell him what to observe, or what to remember. He always knew such things. Years ago, when I'd done the dark magic on him, I hadn't had to tell him anything; he had savored the smallest aspects of it all on his own. Then later he said I'd failed to guide him. Didn't he know how unnecessary that had always been?" - Lestat

With their strive for authenticity and their sensitivity, they look for ways to express themselves through art and stories

Enneagram

Basic fear: that they have no meaning or significance

Basic desire: to have their own identity and purpose, their meaning

Type fours are sensitive, self aware and reserved. They are also prone to be moody and self conscious. They can suffer from self pity and melancholy

Type fours see themselves as fundamentally different from other people. More than any other type, they are acutely aware of their weaknesses and defiances. They see themselves as uniquely disadvantaged or flawed

And because they see themselves as so different, they feel like nobody can see their true selves and therefore no one can love them for who they really are

"For the first time in my life, I was seen"

They might romanticize pain and bittersweet feelings

"I think to be this happy is to be miserable, to feel this much satisfaction is to burn"

Type fours often feel like there is something missing in them that others possess. This thing can't be properly identified but they feel like there is a hole in them that can not be filled

"If I ever thought we have souls, mine is gone forever"

So they feel like with this thing missing, everyone but them can fully understand who they are and their meaning

Type fours struggle to let go of their feelings from the past. They nurse their old wounds and hold onto their feelings about people who hurt them

4w5 (four wing five): The Bohemian

This subtype is combined with type five. So they're more reserved than the usual type four. But they're also more observant and speculative

"Louis, the watcher, the patient one, was there on account of love pure and simple"

Overall, infps and type fours are generally sensitive, creative, melancholic, empathatic, understanding, authentic, emotionally expressive and introspective people

"Louis, whose green eyes are soulful, the very mirror of patient misery, soft voiced, very human, weak; having lived only two hundred years, unable to read minds, or to levitate, or to spellbind others except inadvertently, which can be hilarious, an immortal with whom mortals fall in love" -Armand

" And it occured to me. If Louis does end his life, if he does bring his supernatural journey to conclusion, how will I ever answer for it to Lestat or Armand? It was the love of Louis which had at times crippled Lestat, and enslaved Armand" - David

"The first thing I'd ever noticed about him-well, after his green eyes that is- was his black hair. No, all that's a lie. It was his expression; the passion and the innocence and the delicacy of conscience. I just loved it!" - Lestat

"If I knew a mortal of that sensitivity, that pain, that focus, I would make him a vampire in an instant. But such can rarely be done. No, I've had to wait and watch for you. And now I'll fight for you. Do you see how ruthless I am in love?" - Armand

"Louis, my handsome Louis, in his dark wool and old fashioned high-collared linen, gazing down on us with a look of thinly veiled amusement, but with a secret in his hypnotic green eyes" - Lestat

[funkymbtifiction]

Emily: Emily Brontë [INFP 4w5]

MBTI Type: INFP Emily sees the world through her own subjective opinions. She’s deeply emotional and mostly pours all of her passion and feelings into her poetry and writing; it is unfathomable to her that Charlotte might stop writing altogether or consider it a “childish” thing to do, since it’s all she cares about, her lifeline, and gives her a way to say the things she cannot find words for…

[sp6ghetti]

Enneatype 4 summarised!!

Core type-  Passion: envy. E4s feel as though something is missing in their life. Whether this is a person, thing or feeling, they feel like others have achieved this while they stayed behind. Fixation: melancholy. Due to this loss, they feel like they don't belong amongst the people they assume have achieved this thing they want. They feel disconnected and unrelated to those. Trap: authenticity. E4s believe that that what is missing can come anytime. When it does come, they can finally feel fulfilled and authentic. Defence mechanism: introjection. To avoid ordinariness and keep their self image of being authentic, they take external negativity directed towards them and internalise them in a way that helps them feel in control of these critiques. Virtue: equanimity. They need to allow themselves to be happy in the present and with what they have, this is called equanimity. And so, they overcome their envy. Key traits: Inferior self-image, focus on suffering, emotional sensitivity and empathic ability, aesthetic sensibility, push-pull pattern in relationships.

Subtypes-  Self preservation [sp]: Sp4s are stoic and learned to stay strong during painful situations. Sp4s are extremely demanding of themselves, they work hard to achieve what they’re missing. When this ends up stressing them out, they won't show or tell anyone. Their suffering is constantly suppressed, they hope to find validation and love because of how strong and enduring they are. Sexual [sx]: Envy is very present in the sx4. They feel as though they’re constantly made to compete with others they should be better than. Despite suffering from the inferiority all e4s deal with, this is much more socially suppressed in sx4s. They feel as though they must be superior or their efforts aren't worth anything. Social [so]: So4s are kind of the stereotypical e4s. They feel as though their suffering and pain is a part of them, while they do tend to talk about it a lot, this is often seen as their only trait which is not true. They are convinced something is fundamentally wrong with them and due to this constantly compare themselves to others in hopes to figure out what this is.

Contradictions-  INTP, ISTP, ENTP, ESTP, INTJ, ISTJ, ESTJ, ENTJ, ESFJ, ENFJ The main contradiction in e4 is the thinking dichotomy. Similar to e2, e4s highly value emotions and feelings. This doesn’t mean they don't value logic nor that thinking types don't value emotion, it just means they prefer one over the other. Another contradiction is Fe dominance. This is due to external emotion and a desire to please the group.  Types you might want to look into if you are on this list are e2, e3, e5, e6, e7 and e9.

Compatible types- Self preservation: INFP, ISFP, INFJ, ISFJ Social: INFP, ISFP, INFJ, ENFP, ESFP Sexual: INFP, ISFP, ENFP, ESFP

[xxx-ang3l-w1th-a-sh0tgun-xxx]

Heya! Can I get a "this user is INFP-T & 4w5" userbox? Thanks a lot! :)

ofc, here u go :)

feel free to reblog/download and use on your profile but keep my username visible ty! :)

[tweefiend]

Can any typology nerds held me figure out if my typing is contradictory?:

MBTI - INFP

Jungian- IF(N)

enneagram- 4w5

Tritype -458

Enneagram subtype - Sx/so4

Socionics- EII

Psychosophy - ELVF (3123)

Big 5- RLUxI

Temperament- Mel-Chol

also please lmk if u want to be moots I want more typology moots :P

[mistype360]

questions to type yourself (enneagram edition)

how do you set boundaries with the world around you? (do you assert yourself, do you blend in, do you please others, etc etc)

how do you act during stress? (are you more positive, do you stay calm and try to be "objective," do you get emotional, etc etc)

how do you act in anger? do you experience it often?

how do you act in shame? do you experience it often?

how do you act in fear? do you experience it often?

how do you act in relation to others in conflict? (withdraw, go-with-the-flow, upfront, etc)

how do you "get what you want?" (more demanding + straightforward, believe it should be earned, focus on self, etc etc)

what is your coping mechanism? (do you distract yourself, do you try to act more neutral, stay in denial, try to rationalize, etc)

[coruscatingdust]

I’m bruised by memories but grief is my healing balm. I drink in the tears with holy madness.

[blueopinions49]

Enneagram 4 Subtypes Explained

Social 4 "Shame"

The social 4 looks to create connection with others through the exploration melancholy and brokenness. Unlike the other 4s this subtype looks to share their depth with others. Imo they subvert allot of the traditional notions of the E4. They aren't as withdrawn as the SX and Sp subtypes. And whole they do maintain a level of difference within they still look to fulfill that need for emotional depth with others. A tendency that pops with the So4 is the need to create that social circle while struggling to remain their own self. This subtype tend to express their difference through being an outsider or extremely sophisticated with unique tastes. Usually among to attract others while maintaining their boundary of eccentricity. They are hard to mistake as any other type in my opinion however they can look like the stereotype of a 3w4 (due to being pretentiousness) or a 9.

Characters: Anna Karenina, Mark Jefferson, Blue Diamond, Diane Nyguen, Lisa, Anne of Green Gables, Jin Kazaa and Catherine Meyer.

The Self Preservation 4 "Tenacity"

The Sp4 finds it self trying to mitigate their envy due to being a counter type. Usually this 4 is not looking to be different but rather to have a different type of life. As the counter type of 4 they dont overexposes their melancholy and rage but rather they tend to keep it to themselves. This 4 tries to find a different path in the world without following tradition or social expectations. They are a bit more idealistic with their pursuits choosing lifestyles, style or professional life. This subtype can look like a 6 (due to their calm and environment oriented thinking).

Characters: Elio Perlman, Rose DeWitt Bukater, Eleven, Belle, Sebastian, Wicked Witch, Violet Harmon and Susana Kaysen.

The Sexual 4 "Hate"

Probably the most well known 4. This subtype is the most expressive and "aggressive" about their sense of uniqueness. They are highly interested in creating a relationship with another that fulfills that bond of difference and uniqueness. They tend to be the most expressive of their envy. To the sexual 4 the most important thing is not to be mediocre. By this I mean that the 4s see everything that doesn't have emotional and personal depth is beneath them. While many texts describe them as aggressive id say they are closer to passionate. The SX4 interest and frustration find depth within interpersonal relationships leads them to look like enneagram 8s.

Characters: Kylo Ren, the phantom, Maleficent, Loki, Jason Todd, Helen Sharp, Lucille Sharpe and Zuko

[phlve]

The Enneagram of Divine Forms — Point 4: The Reasoner

Seriously do not know what they really are

Question everything with a constant ‘why’, trying to find a cause or a purpose to their own life and everything else

Always appear in a reflective manner

Searching for origins and finalities in a way that can be trivial and annoying

General attitude of anger and anxiety, of having ‘a chip on the shoulder’

Imagined projection of being painfully criticized by their father figure, provoking anxiety

Ego-delusion: living in a state of melancholia

Appear to be yearning for approval

Passion of envy: wanting to be one of those who succeed and receive the approval of others

Argumentative on one side and superficial on the other

Sublimation: their primary defense mechanism, by which unacceptable drives are diverted into manifestations that are socially acceptable, ex: instead of provoking a confrontation, angry and violent urges may be diverted into physical activity or misappropriated as God's will

Self-justification: because of their constant thinking and reasoning about life

Assert to themselves: ‘I am reasonable and informed’

Being ashamed of themselves

Ego-reaction: being discouraged by the critical attitude of others and the world

Ego-justification: being apprehensive about life

Deceptively living with certain aspects of corruption

Easygoing on one side and intolerant on the other

Source: @/if u seek amy on PDB

[subconsciousmysteries]

5s are bigger sadbois than 4s. both are emo as fuck. 4 emos are crying out for their lost utopia and crying out for love. because they disintegrate into a 2 and idealize integration into the idealistic 1. 5 emos are like "its over. I can never be saved. the world is too big and crushing for me. lets bleed and die and become robots". they disintegrate into 7 where they are lost in the big picture and become sad about their lack of impact in the enormous world (because they lack the positivity of a true 7). and they idealize integration into 8 which is an over-embodied animal, a "beast" with zero idealism whatsoever. but they also seem to fear this greatly... ???