#CAS AND SUPERHELL WAS ENOUGH OKAY

[diamondsunbursts-and-marblehalls]

I know we’ve all talked about the callbacks to the tragic greek myth of orpheus and eurydice in relation to charles and edwin but just think of the callbacks to the more ancient and tragic myth of dean and castiel

[draculagerard]

ok so until u tell me how they become canon i'm just imagining a long distance relationship from the afterlife to the living .like twirling the phone line talking to eachother kinda shit

Nono youre right that's the truth. <3

anyways okay here's a rundown of what happened in the last three episodes (confession ep -> finale) + how the dean side of destiel is canon

If you just want the tl;dr, look at the picture attached !!!

background: Cas made a deal with the entity Empty, which is also the angel afterlife (dubbed superhell by tumblr) where the Empty would kill him in a moment of happiness in return for letting his son, Jack, live

detail: And Cas didnt tell anyone about this deal because he was like yeah man i dont see happiness for me because, in his words, the one thing i want is something i cant have.

Destiel canon episode, 15x18:

a whole season passed and Death (shes also a character) was trying to kill Dean and Cas and Dean are running away. then Cas realizes the only thing powerful enough to kill Death was the Empty. All he had to do was summon her.

Anyways Cas was like "happiness isnt in the having its in the being" and shit and confessed to Dean. basically he finally felt happy when he was able to accept and admit that he loved Dean and why. and then the Empty killed both Cas and Death.

(Dean was there on floor crying and ignoring everyone's calls until the sun rose </3)

15x19: Then the next episode was kind of a whole bunch of nothing destiel wise so you dont have to read this. but anyways a few highlight moments.

-> The devil/Lucifer calling Dean on his phone, pretending to be Cas, to let him into the bunker. angst moment 10/10. Casbaiting moment 0/10

-> Dean told God/Chuck that he would kill Sam and have Sam kill him if it meant Chuck could bring everyone back. and then he went out to emphasize that he had to bring Cas back.

15x20: Dean died on a fucking nail, went to heaven, his CAR was there (his fucking CAR. in heaven.), Jack (who is god now) revived Cas, Sam grew old and died, and yeah. the end

and ofc everyone was like okay . we're never getting anything huh.

wrong! okay so in his original confession, Cas said "I love you" and Dean replied "Don't do this..." (referring to Cas sacrificing himself to save Dean).

Then the spanish dub came out. In the spanish dub, it went "I love you" and dean replied "And I you, Cas" and like. what the FUCK. Destiel was fucking canon in SPANISH and then the tumblr servers actually froze and shut down for a while because of the disruption it caused LMAO.

so thats why the official status for destiel on the website looks like this:

[castiel-ten]

maybe I'm a bummer inducing jerk but all this joking about "superheaven" has me just like. ok but he's not tho. aziraphale isn't going somewhere "super," he's becoming a role that is "super." heaven is not different. his angelic role is different. a job promotion. which does have exact parallels with cas, who also had "promotions" as such (like being god and a saraphim, which he wasn't originally), so you really can't argue that it's "close enough." cause like. cas died. in The Empty. which I never liked calling "Superhell" either because it wasn't hell or heaven, it was just. empty. like sleep. an endless slumber. not bad or good for the entity experiencing it, except if they wake up, of course. so maybe I'm boring. people like drawing comparisons between things and yeah yeah whatever. I wanted to nitpick though cause that's not what it is but okay whAteVer. everyone who adores neil though, from my perspective, it's kinda insulting to him. to compare his hard work to the homophobia of the spn writers kinda pisses me off. anyway

[shiroikabocha]

man I have just enough alcohol in me and good friends and bar trivia, I feel like. Temporarily. I am okay.

And I got to explain the Destiel Confession Breaking News meme to my best normie friend, because I insisted that our bar trivia team name (for horror night) was Putin Sent Cas to Superhell so that Biden could Flip Georgia

(we didn’t win best team name. But the team that did win best team name was named Carry On My Wayward Pun, and after the rounds were over they came to find us and told us we should have won best team name, and I said oh thank you so much! you are correct!)

and anyway I know the feeling won’t last, but for now, it feels like life is okay and I’m happy to be here

And that’s good

[doityourselfbombs]

you said you had thoughts abt Destiel being canon in Spanish... may I ask about them??

OKAY so I should probably start by mentioning that I've only seen the first five seasons of supernatural and also that I don't speak spanish, but my hot take is that as funny as it is to say "destiel is canon but only in spanish", the spanish dub actually isn't changing the message of what dean is saying.

in the original scene, castiel is confessing his feelings to dean to sacrifice himself to superhell - a season earlier, he'd essentially sold his soul to some god in exchange for their friend and agreed to go to superhell, but the god wanted to wait until he was experiencing a "moment of true happiness" to take his soul. when cas says "I love you" and dean replies "don't do this", dean isn't rejecting him, he's telling him to stop, because he knows that this is a death sentance for cas.

in the spanish dub, when cas says "I love you", dean replies "and I you". most people I've seen either took this as 1. destiel is canon but only in spanish or 2. a "rogue translator" who really shipped destiel. in my experience, subs/dubs almost never use direct translations, especially on projects like this where they have to match the dub to the actor's mouth, so it makes sense that they would change dean's line to something short enough to fit the original dialogue without changing the core meaning of what he's saying.

tldr "noo don't sacrifice yourself to the void you're so sexy" and "I love you too (in spanish)" mean the same thing

[whenthedoctorwashim]

yeah st volume 2 was so traumatising up to the point that i returned to tumblr after years to not feel alone...

lets share the rage people

my poor will... im okay with you being the main villain in the last season baby just kill them all

[famdommcfanface]

You know what fuck it I'm liveblogging my reaction to the horrific masterpiece that is supernatural s15 e18, Despair

First of all s15 is so bad, nothing Dean has done this series is canon because I say so, Chuck can suck a dick but more importantly whatever idiot decided Chuck was god can go suck a dick. I liked Chuck, then they retconned him to a degree that nothing makes sense anymore.

Right it is 1:18am and I feel this is the proper time to watch this episode.

Huh Billie wasn't even in the last episode. That's kinda weird idk

I know Jack's not going to die but that won't stop me from threatening whoever that if you kill him again I'm going to murder someone

Cas 😢😢

Oh now you don't want Jack to die, huh Dean? Now you care about your fucking son.

I hate Billie but I love that coat fucking damn. That's what I would wear if I were the personification of death.

I keep thinking the empty is Claire because I have remarkable face blindness and they look very similar okay!!!

I was not paying attention what happened to Chuck? Ah I don't really care.

The empty uses it/it's pronouns for such a homophobic show supernatural has a truly remarkable relationship with gender.

Tbh Billie told Sam and Dean she wanted them dead the first time they met I swear. Like you can't be surprised rn Sam.

Oh yeah the empty has to survive to take Cas to superhell. Sorry I'm still in denial about that.

Jack is a whole-ass toddler and does not deserve this shit. I know he's going to be god but that's not a responsibility I want to place on a three year old.

I know all this criticism has been done but I need to say this shit okay??? I'm sorry I didn't listen properly when you guys said it. You were all so right.

Damn these boys have been through so many murderous rages...

Wait is Michael still around? Fuck I forget these things. Michael sucks anyway fuck him.

Charlie!!!! Although she's not real Charlie. I miss real Charlie. I miss real Bobby too. They're not the same.

Thing is my ex used to make me scrambled eggs so this is thematically important to my life.

Every time Cas is on screen I cry because I know what's coming.

Jack needs a hug. So does Cas. Everyone should hug. People don't hug enough in this show.

That damn trenchcoat's been through so much... Jimmy just wore a trenchcoat one day and that changed the course of human history.

WHAT IS EVEN THE POINT OF THE WHOLE THING WITH EILEEN IF SAM ENDS UP WITH FACELESS WOMAN I STG

Damn Sam got left on read hate it when that happens.

Sam is Eileen's phone background what the fuck yicyoctiguoboh they went on like three dates idk.

Through Sam and Eileen and Dean and Cas not ending up together the message of supernatural is that love sucks and is pointless and the world hates you.

Donna!!!! Christ she'd better not die.

Why didn't you guys teach Jack to drive more. Like you're only allowed to learn to drive when we think you're about to die (which is most of the time tbh so what's their excuse)

Running through how much everyone's died in my head but as you can tell I don't pay attention much and it's hard.

Ow my shoulder hurts suddenly. I think it's the writer's fault.

I swear they all died when I wasn't paying attention. People started talking about all the hunters dying and I assumed they were all dead.

Rowena! Where's she gone she's barely been in this season. I know she's dead but that doesn't matter (which kind of annoys me because I cried when she died and then she just came back but also like good for her)

Cas has been wearing that coat for ten straight (ha) years and it still looks like it doesn't really fit.

Dean you could have murdered her then come on.

Supernatural is interesting in that things happen and they illicit like 0 reaction from me. 90% of tragic events in spn give no emotion. Charlie and Bobby are dead and I don't care.

Oh Donna. Okay I care a bit about that. But like not enough for my face to change. I still find the show compelling though, it's strange.

Aw look at Sam's big puppy dog eyes. Lol.

Gay gay gay. Although I still feel like Cas is being written as straight it's weird. Like I know he's gay and I know the writers know he's gay at this point but like they're not writing it. He's going to confess his love this episode but that's later I guess.

They always get so much blood out of their hands so quickly. And then they just walk it off.

WAIT I RECOGNISE THIS ROOM OH MY GOD IS IT HAPPENING. IT WAS HAPPENING IN THE BUNKER THIS WHOLE TIME I NEVER RECOGNISED IT.

Paused it oh my god oh my god I am not prepared for this. This is such a weird viewing experience no show is this unhinged.

Every shot is starting to look more and more familiar and let me tell you my face is showing something rn

WAIT CAS CONFESSES HIS LOVE FOR A REASON???

I've paused it again

Like I know it sounds obvious but I kind of just assumed Cas randomly decided right I'm going to confess my love now, vaguely arbitrarily. But he's like summoning the empty and the only way to summon it is to confess your gay love for your best friend xhfkfj

I was slightly worried I wasn't going to get as much as I imagined out of this episode because I knew what was going to happen. I was so wrong. The video's still paused I'm just putting off the inevitable.

Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck

I want to pause it again but I have to face this

OH CHRIST OH MY GOD THE ONE THING I WANT IS SOMETHING I KNOW I CAN'T HAVE

Cas is smiling it's always so weird when he smiles

Like even though I knew this was going to happen I could never quite see this happening but it is and fuck fuck fuck.

Oh my god this is actually pertinent in a way I always sort of assumed it wasn't.

I'm not praising the writing I'm not this is awful but also this is the third time in fifteen seasons I'm crying.

I LOVE YOU

Y YO A TI CAS

He just fucking shoves him oh my god

THE HANDPRINT

Like I saw it when it happened and it meant nothing to me, you know? I knew all the bits as anyone who really liked doctor who and Sherlock in 2015 did but there was no emotion behind it. I knew the significance of the handprint and all that shit. But when I watched it I was mainly thinking 'damn that's really what Castiel sounds like he's got such a weird accent, I usually only see him in gifs'

This is BAD WRITING I am NOT PRAISING IT

But also oh my fucking god

It's paused again btw. Like they just show the most significant scene in the history of bad TV and just cut to Jack and Sam coming out of a grain silo and I need a minute here, okay????

You can't expect me to care about this anymore sorry that scene eviscerated me. Donna's dead frankly who gives a shit. Jack just lost his dad even if he doesn't know it I do not have the brain power to comprehend that rn.

ME AND DEAN NEED A MINUTE OKAY THIS IS AN EMOTIONAL TIME

Oh god it's done.

The fact that Cas has died before... and Dean's always like super upset but he was never that upset y'know. He was never like that. Fucking gay oh my god.

Right it's over. That was the worst episode of TV ever made I'm going to watch the scene again because fuck you.

[louisironson]

hell media trio for the ask meme. It, Supernatty, and The Office

oh just a slight amount of friendly resentment towards you for the last one. fine dredge up my tragic past. i’ll do it

It:

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): Eddie Kaspbrak

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped): 1990 EDDIE ONLY j*mes r*nsone makes my features automatically contort into a grimace (thank g-d i never actually watched it chapter two and the muschietti movies just aren’t as much my thing. dgmw it 2017 was good but 1990 made me go crazy crazy)

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave): did they make audra mean in it chapter two is that why people don’t like her. well fuck you anyway then i’m writing fic about her journey to being sober!!

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week): adrian mellon 😭 the chapter describing him and how defiant and cool he was? shit dude

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave): pennywise. oh gd could you imagine. uhhhh fuckin uhhh. i feel like stan can’t count but i haven’t mentioned stan or mike yet and i love them both so much but neither of them are unpopular OR pathetic but stan is slightly closer to both than mike is so. stan, my grandpa (almost fell victim to the let’s eat grandma trap. stan my grandpa ✨✨)

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason): i’d show sonia kaspbrak my star of david necklace and tell her i’m here to take her money and stand in her house and maybe she’d have a heart attack and die

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell): by being in derry, are they not already there? oscar “butch” bowers you don’t deserve to be called butch you racist fuck

Supernatty (allie is this you lol):

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): probably cas

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped): dean smith that gay little homosexual man. we can’t all be project runway dean

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave): i liked bela and i want her back but i’m pretty sure she’s permadead :(

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week): becky but only bc i’m like “that’s emily perkins!! from such hits as it 1990 and ginger snaps!!”

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave): sam. and yes i’m sam-coded it’s the pathetic ones that are most like me don’t you understand

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason): dean but out of love. sam doesn’t make fun of him enough even though it’s a necessity that siblings mock each other in equal measure.

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell): john. bye bitch!

The Office (sigh):

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): it used to be jim oh my gd 🤢 these days i try not to think about the office at all. but i’ll pick one. for you. oscar

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped): i hate you for making me assign this to a character from the fucking office. fuckin. phyllis are you happy

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave): karen motherfuckin filipelli

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week): karen motherfuckin filipelli!!

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave): andy bernard i just vibe w him sometimes okay. that man’s not a heterosexual maybe it’s that

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason): jan for shutting down the warehouse union. why was michael shown as stupid for hearing about a union and agreeing

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell): ryan

[onlineproblems]

for the fandom thing.. SPN of course.. and hmm any show of your choosing

Okay I'm gonna do Sopranos (I've seen s1-2 now) and Bates Motel since I'm watching it now. I only watched season 1 of SPN so even though I've seen all the memes and shit I don't think I know enough to say anything about the characters except Dean and Sam and maaaaaybe Cas hahaha

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): Sopranos: Carmela my love!!!!

Bates Motel: Norma my love!!!!

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped)

Sopranos: AJ is a cute kid and really funny lol but tbh I don't know if that counts for what people say by "scrunkly". I don't know what else to put here. Bates Motel: Dylan in s1 when he doesn't know wtf he's doing lmao

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave)

Sopranos: idk who's underrated in the show since I do Not interact with "Sopranos fandom" but maybe Adriana? Bates Motel: Bradley Martin. i have a feeling she probably got demonized for being a teen girl lmfao

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week)

Sopranos: I'm gonna go with Furio here. Bates Motel: I almost forgot about Zane's sister, the Weed Boss lady, but she was awesome

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave)

I literally don't know what these terms really mean but I'm gonna say Dr. Jennifer Melfi. sure why not. And Norma counts again for this because she is problematic controversial and pathetic lol.

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason)

Sopranos: Livia Soprano lollll. Bates Motel: Norman Bates probably

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell)

Sopranos: Tony Soprano lmaoooo. Bates Motel: literally everyone deserves to go to superhell except Norma, Dylan, Emma I guess, and maaaybe Romero but he's on thin fucking ice.

SPN answers: I'm always drawn to Sam as a favorite character, idk why. Maybe because I'm an oldest sibling so I think about my little brothers and how much I love them. I literally know jack shit about the other characters so we'll make Sam the Blorbo, Dean the poor little meow meow, Cas is the scrunkly, and we'll send their dad to superhell. Bobby can be my scrimblo bimblo. (he's the adoptive dad, right?) lolllll

[tanko97]

wow ok i don’t know why i am writing this now but maybe it is my way of coping so if you read this, please, bear with me:

i dropped SPN like 7 years ago. don’t get me wrong, i was a hardcore fan when i was in high school, up until season 9 i believe. but then the plot of the show just started to repeat itself, at least for me. so i stopped watching but i never left the fandom. somehow i always knew what was happening overall, who died for the nth time etc. i laughed over memes, i listened to soundtracks, i drew arts, watched fanvids and stuff.

and the one thing that was constant and never lost for me was Dean and Cas relationship. it was ALWAYS there, it was nicely written, it was well-played. it was probably the only thing in writing of this show that somehow felt right. so 2 weeks ago when i saw #destial trending i was pleasantly surprised. and there was a reason: we got a pure, well-executed moment, a cOnFeSsIoN from Cas and i felt something for this show that i haven’t felt in years.

i felt hope. i was excited bc there was a chance i could see “the Talk” between Dean and Cas. and believe me when i tell you i wasn’t hoping for “happy ever after” for then, no. just simply the talk so they could both tell how they felt for each other. they could die afterwards or Dean would not answer Cas feeling or whatever, i would still be content.

but boi was i slightly hoping for an actual mutual canon in my poor weak heart? sure. bc writers gave me hope in 15x18. there was no real necessity for this confession regarding the plot, no. but they did write it and moreover they left it on freaking cliffhanger?? ? so all the logic was to at the very least addressing it in future episodes??? ?

i repeat, not necessarily make them a couple or whatever but to just make them explain their feelings. but what do i get?

a short (38min) episode full of Dean/Sam cuts and MONTAGES, unnecessary scenes with unnecessary characters, no proper endings for many plot lines, NO CASTIEL AND EILEEN, NO DESTIEL TALK AND DEAN DYING AFTER STABBING HIMSELF ON A FREAKING NAIL?

ok firstly, aside from my pure anger, deep devastation and disappointment i can see what writers wanted to say with this episode. Dean and Sam hunting in normal world, not directed by Chuck and Dean dying the way he could have died in any other season. just accidentally bc he is a human and not a supernatural being. the only good thing about 15x20 was the acting and in “Dean saying goodbye to Sam” scene it was well-executed. i cried with them, it was emotional and strong, i like that small part, really.

but the OCCASION, the reason Dean dies...it just feels off and wrong. either it’s badly written or there were not enough time to show everything properly. the writers could actually win with this plot, really, they just needed to add all the arcs’ endings and ALL NECCESSARY CHARACTERS. i am even ok with Dean dying but Sam living his life never really leaving his past behind? that was sad and...idk WRONG really.

and the main thing here: mentioning Cas twice just barely and Dean looking all content with him being like in superhell, not trying to save him like he did many times before? offcharacter. Dean dying a few days/weeks after Cas sacrificed himself so Dean could live? stupid. GIVING US HALF-DESTIAL AND NEVER ADDRESSING IT OR EVEN LETTING THEM MEET OR TALK? PLAIN RUDE AND PAINFUL.

i saw people saying that episode seems cut in some crucial parts, like there were more material and they just dumped it. i’m glad i wasn’t the only one who thought this way or else i would proclaim myself paranoid and crazy. idk if it’s true or the reasons behind it. frankly, i don’t care.

with these past few weeks’ collective hoping, theory-making, and logically thinking i felt attached to so many other fans and we really made the bar low for writers, let’s be honest. i actually believed, like many others, that this could end well, and you can call me stupid for giving so much of myself to a trashy tv-show, i don’t care. i could go with writers make a “spn quality level” ending, really, the show was never perfect. but giving this hope to so many people, even who don’t watch SPN in a first place, only to do us so dirty, purposely or not...

that hurt. a lot. i am so sorry for Misha, who was not even included even though he was the heart of the show, i am sorry for Jensen who loves Dean more than any one of us, who told us he was not okay with finale himself. i am sorry for all actors and fans who hoped for the better. just a better ending.

i think it’s fair to say that long shows rarely end up good. and it’s okay. but raising hope so high only to drop and fail the whole fandom so hard. well, they made history, they did. i’m just sad another part of my childhood ended this way and i am truly sorry, guys.

[knightmarechild]

Destiel happened and everybody got opinions.

Yes, Supernatural is notorious for queer baiting. It's bad, supernatural should do better.

No, Jensen is not homophobe.

Castiel didn't get sent to super hell because he's gay. He decided that the only way for Dean to escape from Death who's knocking the door ,is Empty, a power ful entity who could take down Death. Since he's already made a deal with Empty to take him the moment he's happy, he finally proposed and empty came down for him, taking Death with her.

When Castiel says 'One thing I need is one thing I cannot have' he is referring to his deal with Empty and not about how Dean doesn't love him the same way. He knows he can never be happy because Empty would come for him when he's happy. Not because of Dean.

Dean didn't have enough time to say or react to what cas is saying because he just found out about the deal with Empty. Dean is more worried about losing him.

Castiel was happy when he died. Empty is not hell or superhell. It's where angels are sent to sleep forever when they die. It's possible that Empty might torture him for all the things cas did to it, but empty primarily wants to sleep. So, I don't think cas would suffer.

The episode is named despair. Every living thing disappeared at the end of episode except, Sam , Dean and Castiel. And possibly a dog and another being. They are currently dealing with cosmic players like God, Death and Empty. Casualties are expected. Cas is the only one who chose to go on their own terms. It's his choice.

I personally liked what they have done with destiel. I don't care about what everyone here thinks. If you are a long time fan who's still watching and you think it's bad, it's okay. I respect your opinion. But if you just saw the tag and decided to have some fun hating it by just seeing the confession and complaining about it,

Go To Hell

[tonyglowheart]

This entire thing is a rant, feel free to ignore it, but I saw your post about how destiel fans can’t win in this context, and yeah. So have some rambles.

I’ve been thinking about the fact we (current spn/destiel fans) can’t win all night... I’ve seen so many people talking about how homophobic it is - and while I would very much like to argue, as every point I’ve seen made by a non-spn fan has been wrong so far, if I did everyone inside the fandom would agree and everyone outside would either call me straight or pity me for believing it’s okay.

(Cas wasn’t even sent to hell lmao. He was sent to angel death (the empty), a place he has escaped in the past. Other points, like that meta about spn has been predicting exactly this for months, that Dean ended up sobbing on the floor because he was so upset, like that death means next to nothing on spn, like that there is two episodes left, etc etc. you feel me right? I just don’t want to post wank to other spn blogs atm, we’re getting enough frustration as it is, no need to add to it.

It’s also worth pointing out that the bar is very, very low. Spn is a prominent TV show - not a Netflix show, or indie, or whatever - and it just said “main character in gay love saved the world”. [insert gif of ghostfacers dude saying that gay love can pierce through the veil of death and save the day here]

I just saw someone saying that spn having Naomi try to brainwash Cas out of loving dean makes spn homophobic (it is a conversion therapy parallel). My first response to that is that Naomi was the villain lmao? I guess we can’t write villains doing anything homophobic because having villains do homophobic things makes, uh - checks notes - villains look homophobic, and clearly we can’t have that.

There certainly are legitimate things to criticise spn about, but this isn’t it lol.

Also now some people are unironically trying to cancel Jensen because “his acting was homophobic, and so he’s clearly homophobic”, nevermind that he’s an actor and his character struggles with understanding his emotions (which I think he played excellently, myself. That scene had a very Dean delayed emotional response), nevermind the support he’s given to us queers in the past. Like. Idek man.

We would have been laughed at if we got no destiel, too.

It would have been worse, had the writers pulled a dumbledore. At this point I also trust the writers not to pull a GoT - they have explicitly criticised that ending in spn’s canon.

Spn’s writers did that by making the main villain of this season, Chuck / God, say GoT had a good ending. To reiterate a previous point I had: villains do bad things because they’re bad. And the bad things they do make them bad. For the people out there not still following, if someone does something in a story and it makes them a villain, that is explicitly telling you the story (and probably the writers) thinks that thing is bad. In this case, Chuck likes to write things for him, and we the audience have been shown and told that is bad.

Apparently thinking a gay confession is good in 2020 makes me straight. Seems unlikely, but whatever. Sorry for the length, I guess I went overboard, I’ve been holding it in lol. Anyway, DESTIEL IS CANON 💚💙 hope you have a good night

Helloo supernatural anon I hope you are living your best life right now. Yeah I’m like..... skeptical and leery myself but having lived through some absolute garbage discourse that is general purity wank, as well as the C/QL greater fandom here and on Twitter I find myself... much more wanting to question the “general wisdom” of things esp in terms of negativity, bc a lot of the time I find.... it’s wrong? Like so wrong. Or at least presents such an incomplete picture of the whole situation and also presents it in such a removed context that words that have meaning and are operationalized in a certain way for a reason, no longer have meaningful usage.

Anyway I don’t... know too much about the specifics of Spn but someone I follow is into it and talks a lot about the Gnostic stuff and that all was very fascinating to me, and I also have been grappling a lot with cultural Christianity bc of cmedia and the way ppl just *clenches fist* unthinkingly or uncritically slap some Christian norms on it and call it a day 😩 help I’m Tired. My thing here being... I actually got tired of the uncritical “superhell”s at some pt bc I am, in fact, incredibly exhausted with cultural Christianity, and because it does seem like, even possibly(?) without the Gnostic stuff it’s different from a “hell” or other Protestant-derived afterlife concept, and also yeah that it wasn’t seeded out of nowhere, it was set up to happen, which then... lends credence to the idea that whatever the current era of Spn is doing, the current showrunners are doing it with purpose.

And idk I just... refuse to believe the concept that ALL of the fans of Spn - esp the ones who have been following it still, or got back into it and are following it currently, are acting under delusion or are fooling themselves into liking it or thinking it’s good or whatever. I personally find that kinda infantilizing and patronizing and playing into issues of dismissing things women and/or other marginalized identities like.

Plus I find the concept that (from what I think I’ve been seeing Spn fans say) that the current era of the show is quite actively grappling with itself, its past, its legacy. to be very interesting and compelling; it hearkens back to like an old lore kind of feeling, of a thing that has grown into a nigh undefeatable monster and realizing that, also realizing that the only way to defeat itself is through grappling with its own nature and transforming and transmuting itself into something else. I personally find that more plausible and compelling than “Supernatural has been actively and continuously queerbaiting for 15 homophobic homophobic years., so right now we’re all very sorry for you because this maybe is no longer queerbaiting but it’s still homophobic and it can never be anything different ever.” I’ve been sort of tangentially aware of Spn thru the years and didn’t we agree, around the time of that in-universe play about Spn and with the lil Destiel shoutout, that Spn has come a ways as far as coming to terms with its fandom and working to treat its fans better? Why the sudden regression into “oh no, Supernatural is and forever will be homophobic and a hate crime”? 🤔 

The rest under a cut bc the ask is already long and then my rambling will get longer-

But yeah I mean..... I get that the legacy of Supernatural has been certifiably Rough, but I think people also forget how different of a time 2005 was? Hell, how different of a time 2015 was, even, prior to, say, Obergefell v. Hodges. Now I’m not saying that to blanket-excuse Supernatural, but like, you look at mainstream shows from the era and... there’s a lot of shit lmao. The fact that Supernatural has existed this long seems to me like.... maybe we CAN look at how it’s developed through the years vs just insisting it is what it was 15, 10, hell, 5 years ago. Especially since, to my knowledge, there’s been showrunner changes? Which seems to me like it would... affect things? I mean honestly, I remember back when I got into Spn for a hot second because of Castiel, I remember watching panel, Q&A, etc vids thru the years, and like... I thought we agreed that... it was the fans who were going a bit far pushing the shipping question like literally ALL the time to the actors, who are not in control of the show and.... like at the time.... that could have had personal implications for them? And yes homophobia bad, and people can still be allies despite that, but again like.... I do feel like - from what I’ve seen - that these guys were NOT ready to deal with a lot of that but they’ve (okay Jensen I’m talking about Jensen here) genuinely grown and learned? Also how many years ago was the essay autograph thing that people keep trotting out, like what year was it in and what year of spn was it, and what were the prevailing opinions on LGBT issues and bisexuality then.

I’ve been seeing some murmurings of identity politicsing surrounding ppl who enjoy Supernatural, and I’m sorry that that’s happening to you, it really fucking sucks and it’s also the dumbest way to “make” or “win” an argument because it shouldn’t ever be a final determiner, just factors to consider when considering what life experiences might have informed someone else’s PoV and views as well as maybe how you can better communicate with them. Instead of it being a “weapon” or “tool” to either dismiss someone or de facto validate an argument.

Also yeah I get it that you don’t want to send discourse to spn blogs bc I imagine you guys ARE actively grappling with all the bs rn and it’s a lot. Even just from like, the stuff I see around, I’m like tired of it. I’m genuinely having more fun with ppl who are having a good time with Supernatural than the ppl who are hating on it, even in this sort of backhanded “oh we’re not clowning YOU we’re clowning the writers and showrunners who think you should be satisfied with this,” when... yeah? the people who HAVE been watching the show and therefore... know what’s up.. DO seem to be? And all this based on *fake gasp* context. And that’s where the backhandedness becomes kind of poisonous to me, because it implies that it IS bad, and that you SHOULDN’T be satisfied, but poor little you are but don’t worry, we’re not making fun of YOU for liking garbage, you’re just the hapless victim who is consuming the garbage bc... idk, whatever reasons ppl are coming up with ig.

idk man it’s 2020. Fandom isn’t activism, performative or otherwise, it’s okay to let people enjoy things even if you think they’re “objectively” bad, and like... I don’t know if people can call something bad when they’re not even working with the whole context and instead are dealing with rumor and reputation. 

[vonkarmic]

okay jokes aside cas didn’t go to superhell he went to where angels and demons go once they die and was taken out of there anyway to roam earth or heaven or something. which makes it all the funnier that Dean didn’t see him in Heaven. the car was a replica because it’s part of heaven for Dean. the show is still homophobic.

ok this makes sense ty! i guess him not going to literal hell is *better*, but i think my point still stands. just bc the script for the penultimate was changed, the script for the finale will be the same. dean basically says, “i love you too, but not enough to, like, do anything about it lol”

[starshipcaptainjojo]

SPN Series Finale As Written By A Tumblr-Adjacent

OR Read on Ao3: https://archiveofourown.org/works/27647983

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The end of the world started on a Tuesday, because that seemed thematically appropriate. In the five hours since Castiel- his Castiel- had gone to Superhell, Dean Winchester had sat on the floor of what looked like a warehouse and contemplated his existence. 

Around an hour before dawn, Sam had shown up.

“Well today sucked,” Sam sunk down against the wall next to him, unaware that Cas was in superhell and Dean was having an existential crisis. “Hey,” Sam nudged Dean with his shoulder, “Dean. Dean listen…” When his brother didn’t respond Sam let his head hit the concrete wall with a thunk, “Dean, we don’t have time for the existential crisis right now. I want to talk about reality.”

Dean was always having an existential crisis, so even when Sam didn’t know what was going on, he could count on Dean to have an emotional crisis about it.

“Cas is gone,” Dean said, with the same emotional maturity of so many years ago, sitting in a different concrete bunker and thinking about Cas being gone for the first or second time. “For real this time.”

“Right,” Sam agreed with the longsuffering tone of someone who recognized the conversation from the multitudes of conversations just like it that they’d had. “Well, I’m sure he’ll show up again-”

“He loves me, Sammy. He said so.” Dean stared at his clasped hands, processing.

“What?” Sam’s jaw dropped, “you’re kidding, he actually said it?” Sam nodded thoughtfully, lips turning down as his eyebrows went up. “Well shit. Nice one, Cas.”

Dean swallowed, “he’s dead.”

“So what else is new,” Sam snorted, “we’ll get him back, then you can tell him you want to hunt monsters together forever, and we can talk about Eileen.”

“What about her?” Dean let himself be distracted by Sam’s life, per usual.

“I’m going to marry her. Just a thing. You won’t even see it.” Sam nudged him again. “But that’s after we get Cas back.”

“He’s in superhell,” Dean covered his face with his hands. “He’s in superhell with Death.”

“Death can’t kill him if they’re in superhell.” Sam leapt up and held his hand out. “Come on, we’ve broken into hell before. I’ll be mad at you for being such a drama whore once we get Cas back.”

“Deal.” Dean had no other ideas.

 There was a lot of research to do, and Dean couldn’t think about it, so he went to a local fair to distract himself.

There was a flying ride that said ‘fly like an angel’ some angel food cake, some fake wings to win at the prize booth and a craft table where you could make a couples’ frame.

Dean entered the pie eating contest to not think about anything but pie.

“Some of y’all are here to win the money! Others the glory of pie-eating supremacy!” The MC clapped her hands and winked lasciviously at Dean, who forced a wan smile. “Some of y’all just want to impress somebody important, hm?” She licked her lips at Dean.

Her lips weren’t as plush as Cas’s.

Dean shoved his face directly into his pie, and pie into his piehole.

Dean did not win the pie-eating contest, but his pie-eating neighbor also didn’t mention when he’d started crying halfway through eating his second pie and his third-place prize was a puppy, so he still called it a pie-eating victory.

Sam called right as Dean was about to buy too much alcohol and then possibly drive drunk. He had learned nothing in his decades of being alive.

“So I need you to help me with something,” Sam began, “how soon can you get back here?”

“Right now.” Dean handed both his beers to an excited teenager, said “Happy 21st birthday” regardless of the kid's age and got into the Impala. “On my way, Sam.”

He drove too fast and didn’t think about superhell.

“Superhell is being here while Cas is in superhell,” Dean muttered to his new dog as he parked the car. “So superhell is a stupid concept and I hate it. Who even came up with a superhell?”

The dog wagged its tail, because it was a good dog.

“I already love you. Why’s it so easy to tell you that?” Dean ruffled the dog’s ears. “Superhell is not being able to say it when it counts.”

He stomped into their base and almost ran directly into Sam.

“I found a spell to let us call Chuck!” Sam was excited like a giant baby moose. “If we call the operator on a cell phone, we get a straight line to God!” Sam put a spell scroll in Dean’s face.

“I got a dog?” Dean offered as his new puppy immediately leapt on Sam affectionately.

“The hell?” Sam began petting the dog while Dean read the spell.

“The hell?” Dean echoed, reading the passage, which indeed implied heavily that they could trigger pressing and holding the zero button on any cell phone to call Chuck directly if the spell was completed with powerful enough components.

The ritual involved burning something precious to them.

There were only a few things they loved.

“I can’t do it,” Dean was saying, staring at the only viable option.

“Dean, this is for Cas!” Sam wasn’t very convinced. “Maybe we can try something else? Burning something else?”

“No, Sam. This is the only option” Dean clutched the can of gasoline to his chest.

His dog barked once, worried.

“You can’t do this,” Sam held Dean’s shoulders. “We can think of something else!”

The dog whined, looking nervously up at them.

“No, Sammy.” Dean clenched his teeth. “We gotta do this. For Cas. He woulda done it for us.”

He poured the gasoline and lit the match, his dog cowered from their myriad emotions.

“I’m sorry.” Dean ignited the gasoline.

They watched the Impala burn together, the dog hiding behind their legs.

“Say the incantation, Sam.”

Between the sobs, Sam Winchester recited the spell giving them a direct line to God. He wiped his eyes as their phones both lit up red, gold and blue.

“Do it,” he handed the phone to Dean.

Dean hit the button.

“No I’m not bringing Castiel back from superhell,” Chuck said when he answered. “So don’t try to convince me.”

“Okay fuck you,” Dean began diplomatically with the experience and reverence of someone who had averted the apocalypse multiple times. 

Chuck hung up on him.

Dean called back.

Chuck sent him to voicemail.

“I got God’s voicemail,” he told Sam, who made an exasperated sound and used his own phone to call Chuck.

“I said I wouldn’t bring Castiel back from Superhell,” Chuck told Sam directly.

“I’m not asking for that.” Sam looked at Dean, then smiled sadly. “I want to trade myself for Castiel. Send me to Superhell.”

Dean lunged for Sam, but Sam was like a foot taller than him and held him away with his free hand with ease. He’d had decades to perfect the game of keepaway.

“I can’t,” Chuck clucked his tongue, “I can only send people who have admitted to a great and terrible love to Superhell.”

“I love Dean, which sucks,” Sam reminded.

“Yeah but like, not like that-”

“Just send me to Superhell. I was supposed to go to hell years ago anyway, and if Dean and Cas are here together… well then it’ll be worth it. I don’t want to keep hunting, and like you said, I don’t-” he choked and looked at Dean, who was scowling at him and still struggling to steal the phone. “-I don’t have a great love.”

“What about Eileen?” Chuck asked, because he knew everything and was God.

“Well we’d probably break up anyway. Or get old and pass on hunting to our kids and what kind of future is that?” Sam made eye contact with Dean, who had frozen. “What would the point of that be?”

“What are you saying?” Dean’s voice was soft, angry and scared and sad.

“I’m saying I’m tired, Dean.” Sam held the phone close to his head. “Chuck I want you to trade me for Cas, and I’ll go to Superhell.”

“I mean deal,” Chuck agreed, “the way I understand it, Castiel in superhell is what would have defeated me anyway. Done.”

“Sam-” Dean pulled back to speak the words they’d needed their whole lives.

“Don’t tell me you love me, Dean.” Sam smiled, tears gathering in his eyes, “or he’ll send you to Superhell.”

“Sammy-” Dean’s anguished word was crushed as Sam hugged him.

“I love you Dean, be happy.” Sam smiled tightly, hugging his brother until Dean’s arms wrapped around him in return. Dean swallowed the lump in his throat and tried to speak. The arms around him changed, tightened, became different.

“I love you,” Dean whispered into a warm collarbone.

“That’s a relief,” Castiel’s voice said, and Dean yanked himself back in shock.

Castiel, as he had always been with his dirty trenchcoat and beautiful eyes and shapely mouth looked back at Dean gently and conjured an exhausted smile.

“I meant that ‘I love you’ for Sam, actually.” Dean chocked on a laugh as Castiel’s soft expression fell. Cas tried to pull away but Dean’s hands on his coat were firm. “But I’ve got one for you too, Cas. Then we gotta go figure out how to get Sam out of Superhell.”

“Wait what?” Castiel began, but then Dean was kissing him, pulling him close by the lapels of his dirty trenchcoat.

 Halfway around the world, Chuck crossed his legs and leaned back in his chair, looking out over the highlands of Scotland. 

“I hate humans but damn, those Winchesters are something huh?” He smirked at Death, who shrugged noncommittally and poured him some tea.

“Are you interested in dying after all, then?” She picked up her own tea and sipped it.

“Nah, dying seems so mundane. Happens practically every day. No, I think I’m going to Superhell. There’s nothing in there and I want Dean Winchester and Castiel to really have an interesting time when they try to open it up and get Sam back.”

“You’re a dick,” Sam said, sitting in his own chair, “what are you even up to?”

“I was thinking about what you said, Sammy.” Chuck sipped his tea noisily just to watch Sam flinch, “about what’s the point of it all. Like what are you even going to do with yourself if you guys did beat me?”

Sam didn’t answer.

“Exactly,” Chuck agreed. “You don’t have a future here. You asked to go to Superhell.”

“Where I also have no future.”

“Wrong!” Chuck leaned forward. “Superhell is empty. A void. There’s no future waiting for you there. You’d have to make it.”

Sam stared blankly at him.

“Wow I thought you were the smart brother?” Chuck scoffed a derisive laugh, which Death smiled indulgently at. “Sam Winchester,” he began, leaning forward again. “I have a giant empty limitless superhell I’ve never even bothered terraforming.”

“Yeah?” Sam frowned.

“Sam Winchester, how do you feel about learning to be God?”